The Basics Of The ECY Stack...

[QUOTE=Cyrus317]And because I've used this and am constantly refering people looking to burn to read up on this thread. Oh, btw...

The one thing I noticed the last time I ran this stack is that I really suffered from the effects of the caffeine loss after the stack was over (I ran it for 3 weeks straight, taking it 1/day, 2/day, then 3/day in the third week. (BTW, I'm running ECA, not ECY). Nevertheless, I because real tired and sluggish for 2 weeks after I went off the stack. Can anyone suggestion a dosage scheme for me (for the caffeine) that would lessen these effects? That would be awesome!

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P.S. - I've been searching all over the net for a source for Bolt Ephedrine (without the Guaifenesin) and with no luck. If you have a source for this item, please pm me and let me know.[/QUOTE]

Did you taper down your caffeine dosage ?

[QUOTE=pu12en12g]Did you taper down your caffeine dosage ?[/QUOTE]

I do, but not in a manner that seems to be very effective. ACtually, what I'm looking for is a taper down schedule by someone to see if their's is any different than mine. typically, my taper down only lasts 10 days. going from the 600 mg/day during my stack, down to just caffeine (at 400 mg/day) for 5 days, and then down to 200 mg for another 5. I am wondering if this is not enough, or it, perhaps, I should be including the E & A in the taper down as well as the caffeine.

[QUOTE=Cyrus317]I do, but not in a manner that seems to be very effective. ACtually, what I'm looking for is a taper down schedule by someone to see if their's is any different than mine. typically, my taper down only lasts 10 days. going from the 600 mg/day during my stack, down to just caffeine (at 400 mg/day) for 5 days, and then down to 200 mg for another 5. I am wondering if this is not enough, or it, perhaps, I should be including the E & A in the taper down as well as the caffeine.[/QUOTE]

I would try going down to 100mg

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no one got around to answering about alcohol and E/C. What's the dealio with them?

Firstly, caffeine and alcohol are diuretics. That's a no-no. Secondly, combining strong stimulants (ephedrine/caffeine) with a heavy depressant (alcohol) could cause cardiopulmonary or cardiovascular failures. It will also contribute to a loss of coordination and for the body's ability to regulate temperature. It will also make you feel like God for a period of time, thus possibly inducing you to drink more and getting your ass beat by the 300lb behemouth as you try to mack to his girlfriend/wife/mistress.

Stay away from the combination of ephedrine/caffeine and alcohol. And if you do drink, at least try to drink limited and if not, at least 5-6 hrs after your last dose.

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[QUOTE=sawastea]Firstly, caffeine and alcohol are diuretics. That's a no-no. Secondly, combining strong stimulants (ephedrine/caffeine) with a heavy depressant (alcohol) could cause cardiopulmonary or cardiovascular failures. It will also contribute to a loss of coordination and for the body's ability to regulate temperature. It will also make you feel like God for a period of time, thus possibly inducing you to drink more and getting your ass beat by the 300lb behemouth as you try to mack to his girlfriend/wife/mistress.

Stay away from the combination of ephedrine/caffeine and alcohol. And if you do drink, at least try to drink limited and if not, at least 5-6 hrs after your last dose.[/QUOTE]
Man oh man can I vouch for that one........worked all night (graveyards), didn't go to sleep, heavy dose of ephedra for the gym, no food most of the day and then hit up a work party that evening. Drank a lil too much (normally not too much without the ephedra) and ended up blacking out, getting into fights with several people (so I hear), puking on the lawn and all over myself and smashing my head thru the side window of my car to try to get in and sleep there. Not one of my finer moments. :(

Does anyone sell Ephedrine without Guaifenesin? THanks

im about to start a cycle for it, preferably i'd like to take it in the morning but my two AM meals consists of carbs... and then i have another meal at 2:00 pm and usually work out by 3:00pm should the stack be taken 30minutes to the meal or 30 minutes prior to the work out

[QUOTE=nbo10]Does anyone sell Ephedrine without Guaifenesin? THanks[/QUOTE]

Search for BOLT ephedrine

[QUOTE=BeAnToWn_PlAyA]im about to start a cycle for it, preferably i'd like to take it in the morning but my two AM meals consists of carbs... and then i have another meal at 2:00 pm and usually work out by 3:00pm should the stack be taken 30minutes to the meal or 30 minutes prior to the work out[/QUOTE]

Really depends on how you tolerate EC. I would begin by taking it 30min prior to a meal, and, if you can tolerate it, take another serving AT LEAST four hours before or after that dosage, again 30min before a meal and/or workout. If you train high intensity, such as HIIT, I would advise against taking EC as your BP will be insanely high.

i tolerate it well...so im guessing around 8 before my breakfast then 2 right before lunch and 30 min before the workout....sound good

heres a maybe stupid question and may have been answered BUT

is 400mg of guaifenesin ok?

reson im asking is my ephedrine is 12,5 with 200mg of that stuff and i want to take 2 pills to make it 25 but that will bump it to 400mg guaifenesin!
next time ill buy the 25 ones with 200 but what about now! plus i need to take this in like an hour lol

[QUOTE=sawastea]Really depends on how you tolerate EC. I would begin by taking it 30min prior to a meal, and, if you can tolerate it, take another serving AT LEAST four hours before or after that dosage, again 30min before a meal and/or workout. If you train high intensity, such as HIIT, I would advise against taking EC as your BP will be insanely high.[/QUOTE]

hi...sorry bout it..but i tink im facing e same prob as BeAnToWn_PlAyA...

i will b taking my first dose of EC 30mins b4 my first meal..but wat if my lunch is at 2pm..and workout at 3pm?

can i still take EC 30mins b4 my workout which is juz 30mins after my lunch?

Isit advisable?

[QUOTE=ahming1988]hi...sorry bout it..but i tink im facing e same prob as BeAnToWn_PlAyA...

i will b taking my first dose of EC 30mins b4 my first meal..but wat if my lunch is at 2pm..and workout at 3pm?

can i still take EC 30mins b4 my workout which is juz 30mins after my lunch?

Isit advisable?[/QUOTE]


Ive found that it doesnt really matter as long as its within an hour after your lunch and workout. If i am eating right around 2 I will take just before I start eating be done around 215ish and go work out around 245 and still has the same effect.

[QUOTE=bad4ego]heres a maybe stupid question and may have been answered BUT

is 400mg of guaifenesin ok?[/QUOTE]

In my opinion and based on the possible side effects... no it isn't

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[QUOTE=BeAnToWn_PlAyA]Ive found that it doesnt really matter as long as its within an hour after your lunch and workout. If i am eating right around 2 I will take just before I start eating be done around 215ish and go work out around 245 and still has the same effect.[/QUOTE]


which means...u are taking the EC around 45mins-1hr before ur workout with a meal?

[QUOTE=pu12en12g]In my opinion and based on the possible side effects... no it isn't[/QUOTE]

Care to elaborate? I can't find it without anywhere. Am I asking for an early death taking 400mg a day?

[QUOTE=pu12en12g]In my opinion and based on the possible side effects... no it isn't[/QUOTE]

With Vasopro EC stack each 25mg of E comes along with 200mg of Guaifensin so throughout the day you end up with a total of 400-600mg of G. I believe what your saying is that it isn't good. I haven't had any problems as of yet but also don't want any either. What other options do you have? Any suggestions? Thanx.

[QUOTE=jbuxstarr]With Vasopro EC stack each 25mg of E comes along with 200mg of Guaifensin so throughout the day you end up with a total of 400-600mg of G. I believe what your saying is that it isn't good. I haven't had any problems as of yet but also don't want any either. What other options do you have? Any suggestions? Thanx.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=getbustered]Care to elaborate? I can't find it without anywhere. Am I asking for an early death taking 400mg a day?[/QUOTE]

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I have tried everywhere to find that however cannot find a way to purchase it. How do you get it?!!! I have googled it probably 30times tryin to figure it out and cannot?

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I sarted skimming this and a couple of things caught my eye.

The author referred to Exstacy as the date rape drug, then he claimed that Ephedra has a half-life of over 2 weeks.

Not sure how reliable some of the info in that article is.

1) To elaborate on pu12en12g's post, if memory serves me right, rat studies showed that prolonged periods of time taking guaifensin @ 2000mg/day were bad. At shorter doses of 600mg, it isn't awful, however, I would avoid it whenever possible.

2) Ephedrine can chemically be changed to make 'meth.' Hence, that's one of the reasons why Vaso-Pro contains guaifensin.

This might have been asked...

But is a EC or ECY stack better than other company fat burning suppliments? Or is there a suppliment out there that is better than the EC/Y stack?

Well, I ordered some today. My fiance wants to try it very badly, I guess she can be my guinea pig. If she grows a third arm or anything I'll let everyone know. It's funny, she is usually not impressed (to say the least) with how much money I spend here, but today she was quite happy for me to make the order. If she gets decent results, I might try it myself here in a month or so.

[QUOTE=sawastea]1) To elaborate on pu12en12g's post, if memory serves me right, rat studies showed that prolonged periods of time taking guaifensin @ 2000mg/day were bad. At shorter doses of 600mg, it isn't awful, however, I would avoid it whenever possible.

2) Ephedrine can chemically be changed to make 'meth.' Hence, that's one of the reasons why Vaso-Pro contains guaifensin.[/QUOTE]

So I'm a bit confused... perhaps you could help...

I'm taking ECA right now, vasopro. I'm taking about 100mg of Ephed a day which then means I'm getting 800mg of guaifensin - and you're saying this is bad. What health risks do I run by taking this much?

Also per the earlier comment, what other choice do we have? All the other non-ephed fat burners I've tried sucked. They were expensive and I saw almost no results on a clean/strict diet and alot of cardio. ECA has by far been the most effective for me.

At those dosages, at a prolonged period of time, it's not great. If you're taking it for one month and then taking time off, you'll be fine. NOTE: I have taken VasoPro for a long time and nothing has happened to me (that I'm aware of). Also, you're running a greater risk @ 100mg ephedrine HCL daily than guaifensin @ 2000mg a day.

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[QUOTE=sawastea]At those dosages, at a prolonged period of time, it's not great. If you're taking it for one month and then taking time off, you'll be fine. NOTE: I have taken VasoPro for a long time and nothing has happened to me (that I'm aware of). Also, you're running a greater risk @ 100mg ephedrine HCL daily than guaifensin @ 2000mg a day.

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s7e, the reason why I prefer pure ephedrine HCL vs ephedra based thermogenics is that pure ephedrine HCL has been lab tested (purer) and because of this, it has the ability to be more potent.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the quick reply Swastea, I appreciate it. I too have taken Ephed (Vasopro) many times before and nothing bad has happened. I usually don't run the ECA cycle longer than a month than take a couple months off etc.

I just finished my first clen cycle and am running ECA @ 100mg/day for two weeks, then back to the clen for 2 weeks, finishing the cyle off with another ECA cycle for two weeks... so far so good, clen rocks!

You're right about running the greater risk more so with the ephd than with the guaifensin and I'm sure clen is a bit above both - hehehe

Is E/C safe to use if im turning 18 soon...what are possible side effects of taking the proper dosage. Is it safer then most fat burners like lip 6 etc..