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I was under the impression youd have like a roster set at any size for minor leaguers
And then you could exchange those prospects for any other prospect as you wish
This would just mean that guys like kris bryant last year were protected / given fairly (i presume a draft in reverse order of finaal standings)
Instead of having like top team secure bryant because he got to the computer faster through free agency
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1423911811]Not sure I like that. Say we hold a draft now and a pitcher taken has to have Tommy John in the spring. That team is then out of a prospect all year?[/QUOTE]
It's almost like real life then hey? you draft a prospect, he gets hurt you can't just go draft another one eh? My thinking is this: for this year we do the 1 prospect each rights for the year, if they don't get called up you and forfeit your pick next season to retain them again. if they get called up you have .....10 days? to move them onto your roster (up for debate) if you want to add your rights to a prospect to a trade in season you would have to voice that here prior to the trade so we can keep a running tracker of who has who's rights.
thoughts?
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[QUOTE=Chill Will 33;1423960541]It's almost like real life then hey? you draft a prospect, he gets hurt you can't just go draft another one eh? My thinking is this: for this year we do the 1 prospect each rights for the year, if they don't get called up you and forfeit your pick next season to retain them again. if they get called up you have .....10 days? to move them onto your roster (up for debate) if you want to add your rights to a prospect to a trade in season you would have to voice that here prior to the trade so we can keep a running tracker of who has who's rights.
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Actually it's nothing like real life. If a prospect gets hurt am MLB team has a whole farm system. They also have the ability to trade for more prospects. It's not like each MLB team gets one prospect for the year and its oh well if anything happens.
I like the idea of having a prospect draft and each team having the rights to one. I just don't think having inflexibility is a good thing. I mean halfway through the year we could have 3-4 teams with rights to useless prospects and nothing can be done about it.
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[QUOTE=krazy33;1423919541]I was under the impression youd have like a roster set at any size for minor leaguers
And then you could exchange those prospects for any other prospect as you wish
This would just mean that guys like kris bryant last year were protected / given fairly (i presume a draft in reverse order of finaal standings)
Instead of having like top team secure bryant because he got to the computer faster through free agency[/QUOTE]
Im sure Bryant got drafted. Pretty much everyone stashes 2 prospects after the draft and inevitably drops one pretty quick. The roster size in this league is kind of large. But like you said, we need to avoid having the person who gets to the computer the fastest, having the right to a player.
My pitch was to have a 2 round snake draft, after the draft. A team drafts 2 players who have no time on a teams 25 man roster. Once your player is called up the major leagues, you have 2 weeks to put him on your roster, or he goes into the free agency pool. Once a player has any service time, he is no longer eligible for your minor league system. Once your player is on your mlb roster, you can then add another minor leaguer to your system. You can add and drop players in your system all season, by notifying the commish. We can discuss a carry over of maybe one player, next season, as a minor league keeper. Said player still must have no mlb service time. Id also like a rule that if you draft the player in the actual draft and drop him, he is not eligible for your minor league roster all season.
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[QUOTE=melanimal_old;1423983041]Im sure Bryant got drafted. Pretty much everyone stashes 2 prospects after the draft and inevitably drops one pretty quick. The roster size in this league is kind of large. But like you said, we need to avoid having the person who gets to the computer the fastest, having the right to a player.
My pitch was to have a 2 round snake draft, after the draft. A team drafts 2 players who have no time on a teams 25 man roster. Once your player is called up the major leagues, you have 2 weeks to put him on your roster, or he goes into the free agency pool. Once a player has any service time, he is no longer eligible for your minor league system. Once your player is on your mlb roster, you can then add another minor leaguer to your system. You can add and drop players in your system all season, by notifying the commish. We can discuss a carry over of maybe one player, next season, as a minor league keeper. Said player still must have no mlb service time. [B]Id also like a rule that if you draft the player in the actual draft and drop him, he is not eligible for your minor league roster all season[/B].[/QUOTE]
What about if you add a guy after the draft?
This whole thing is getting complicated pretty quickly now. We need to simplify it. All these minor rules restricting what is and isn't allowed and what needs to be done when someone is called up etc etc.
It's not that I can't follow it, but come on, we're talking about minor leaguers here. This system is a bigger pain in the ass than what we do with the major leaguers and isn't even worth the hassle for some f*cking minor leaguers.
And we haven't even touched on a guy who gets called up for like a few days or a spot start and then is sent back down. Say Giolito gets a spot start somewhere in June, you gotta hold him on your roster the rest of the season cause he got that 1 spot start?
LOL. We've almost solved nothing in those instances cause the guy will be dropped right back in the pool, or held on way in advance of him actually being useful on the real roster which is what's currently been happening anyway.
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Personally I'd rather have rights to 1 guy for the year that's rigid (no dropping or adding new guys, that's your guy), not have to add him within a week just cause he made the majors, you can add him at your own pace. You can trade those rights if you wish. That's it.
That's just me. I'm not trying to manage a minor league team here, just have some protection in place over some of the more highly anticipated prospects.
If your guy gets injured in April, it's not any different than if George Springer or Carlos Carrasco got injured, cause we know you *******s wouldn't drop either of them if it happened so what's really the difference in this injury scenario? Why you think you have to swap out minor leaguers is beyond me. Last I checked the idea wasn't to run a farm team, it was just to have a blanket of protection from getting to the computer first for some of the better prospects. This way covers that.
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In the Springer Carlos scenario you'd throw them on the DL and pick up someone else.
How about we add a N/A slot and hold a predraft prospect draft. Those picks are then added as keepers. The N/A slot will then allow adds/drops and take care of the being called up issue.
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[QUOTE=SoutheastBeast1;1423987501]Personally I'd rather have rights to 1 guy for the year that's rigid (no dropping or adding new guys, that's your guy), not have to add him within a week just cause he made the majors, you can add him at your own pace. You can trade those rights if you wish. That's it.
That's just me. I'm not trying to manage a minor league team here, just have some protection in place over some of the more highly anticipated prospects.
If your guy gets injured in April, it's not any different than if George Springer or Carlos Carrasco got injured, cause we know you *******s wouldn't drop either of them if it happened so what's really the difference in this injury scenario? Why you think you have to swap out minor leaguers is beyond me. Last I checked the idea wasn't to run a farm team, it was just to have a blanket of protection from getting to the computer first for some of the better prospects. This way covers that.[/QUOTE]
i'm good with this, i think no need to incorporate our minor league player into yahoo at a set time either, we draft 1, have his rights all year, at end of year if he has not been called up we can carry him over to the next year as our prospect, if he was called up he would have to be kept as a keeper. if he gets injuried so be it, trades will be done in here as to the rights of players. as for guys that get up for a "cup of coffee" and things like that maybe we set X amt of active days on MLB roster to qualify as a non minor league guy?
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1423991371]In the Springer Carlos scenario you'd throw them on the DL and pick up someone else.
How about we add a N/A slot and hold a predraft prospect draft. Those picks are then added as keepers. The N/A slot will then allow adds/drops and take care of the being called up issue.[/QUOTE]
id prefer 2 over 1. All players must have no major league service time. You can also add and drop for those slots through out the year. The only players who are on rosters right now would have to qualify for your actual keepers. So me keeping Berrios and Pro keeping Glasnow, is not possible unless we keep them on our keeper list. But 2 N/A slots that are your farm keepers is good idea, if we do it before the draft.
BUT the only way way a player can be used in your N/A slot can be used through out the season is if they meet our criteria as a farm hand. If the player isnt listed in Yahoos database, we will just keep a list of the player until they are added.
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Chill∆ So how is that any different then using the N/A slot already built into Yahoo? Besides having less flexibility which is not good for the league imho? That way we have more choice in the actual prospect we are holding. It's not a farm team its ONE prospect I'm sure we can all manage that.
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[QUOTE=melanimal_old;1424003551]id prefer 2 over 1. All players must have no major league service time. You can also add and drop for those slots through out the year. The only players who are on rosters right now would have to qualify for your actual keepers. So me keeping Berrios and Pro keeping Glasnow, is not possible unless we keep them on our keeper list. But 2 N/A slots that are your farm keepers is good idea, if we do it before the draft.
BUT the only way way a player can be used in your N/A slot can be used through out the season is if they meet our criteria as a farm hand. If the player isnt listed in Yahoos database, we will just keep a list of the player until they are added.[/QUOTE]
I pretty much agree with this but I don't think we need 2 slots. One is more than enough. That's 14 of the top prospects. I think it's a good start. We can try it and see how it goes
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[QUOTE=SoutheastBeast1;1423987501]Personally I'd rather have rights to 1 guy for the year that's rigid (no dropping or adding new guys, that's your guy), not have to add him within a week just cause he made the majors, you can add him at your own pace. You can trade those rights if you wish. That's it.
That's just me. I'm not trying to manage a minor league team here, just have some protection in place over some of the more highly anticipated prospects.
If your guy gets injured in April, it's not any different than if George Springer or Carlos Carrasco got injured, cause we know you *******s wouldn't drop either of them if it happened so what's really the difference in this injury scenario? Why you think you have to swap out minor leaguers is beyond me. Last I checked the idea wasn't to run a farm team, it was just to have a blanket of protection from getting to the computer first for some of the better prospects. This way covers that.[/QUOTE]
quit acting like having 2 minor leaguers is running a farm
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1424004491]I pretty much agree with this but I don't think we need 2 slots. One is more than enough. That's 14 of the top prospects. I think it's a good start. We can try it and see how it goes[/QUOTE]
im ok with one, but it should be two. One is ok if we can add and drop the slot. Being in a rigid, position of not being able to adjust the minor leaguer, sort of negates the entire issue. No one would have drafted Kyle Schwarber last year.
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[QUOTE=melanimal_old;1424004811]im ok with one, but it should be two. One is ok if we can add and drop the slot. Being in a rigid, position of not being able to adjust the minor leaguer, sort of negates the entire issue. No one would have drafted Kyle Schwarber last year.[/QUOTE]
That's an issue and so is the injury/sucking issue. Srsly who wants to own a prospect for no ****ing reason because you can't swap out? **** is gay AF.
Also if we use the N/A slot it allows for trades in the Yahoo system. JY can assign all the prospects draft as keepers so it won't ruin the regular draft by someone accidentally selecting them
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1424005301]That's an issue and so is the injury/sucking issue. Srsly who wants to own a prospect for no ****ing reason because you can't swap out? **** is gay AF.
Also if we use the N/A slot it allows for trades in the Yahoo system. JY can assign all the prospects draft as keepers so it won't ruin the regular draft by someone accidentally selecting them[/QUOTE]
ya I like the trade aspect as well. Still should be 2 slots.
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[QUOTE=melanimal_old;1424004601]quit acting like having 2 minor leaguers is running a farm[/QUOTE]
Let's not pretend you wouldn't rather be playing minor league fantasy baseball than major league fantasy baseball
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Also I personally think the draft order should be in the order of the placements from the previous year. So first place would pick first. Winning the league should get you a reward. It's the opposite in the regular draft. Also I'm not just saying that because I won but I think that's how it should be. It makes sense
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[QUOTE=SoutheastBeast1;1424008641]Let's not pretend you wouldn't rather be playing minor league fantasy baseball than major league fantasy baseball[/QUOTE]
sorry bro, im one of the few who lasts longer than 5 weeks playing DFS
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where can I find last years, end of the season rosters? Im trying to figure out who owned which players.
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I'm fine with giving up the rights to Glasnow if we can agree on a simplified process. I like the 1 N/A slot idea.
Just to be clear though - at the end of the season, are we saying that any minor league player on your roster gets released back into the pool, or that they're just in jeopardy of being drafted? So in my case, will Glasnow be considered off my roster entirely, or if he isn't drafted then I still have the rights to him up until our actual draft?
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[QUOTE=Pro_Shark;1424013111]I'm fine with giving up the rights to Glasnow if we can agree on a simplified process. I like the 1 N/A slot idea.
Just to be clear though - at the end of the season, are we saying that any minor league player on your roster gets released back into the pool, or that they're just in jeopardy of being drafted? So in my case, will Glasnow be considered off my roster entirely, or if he isn't drafted then I still have the rights to him up until our actual draft?[/QUOTE]
I think they would be "exposed" to the draft and if they arent taken you still would have the rights.
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1424004081]Chill∆ So how is that any different then using the N/A slot already built into Yahoo? Besides having less flexibility which is not good for the league imho? That way we have more choice in the actual prospect we are holding. It's not a farm team its ONE prospect I'm sure we can all manage that.[/QUOTE]
not all players are in Yahoo, so some will have 2 N/A slots full while others will not, so then we would have to track it in 2 places...
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[QUOTE=Chill Will 33;1424016771]not all players are in Yahoo, so some will have 2 N/A slots full while others will not, so then we would have to track it in 2 places...[/QUOTE]
Well then the initial draft will only include players in Yahoos database. Let's be real all the major prospects are pretty much in Yahoo. There's only 14 players being taken. If a player become available later then they can be picked up
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1424017191]Well then the initiwl draft will only include players in Yahoos database. Let's be real all the major prospects are pretty much in Yahoo. There's only 14 players being taken. If a player become available later then they can be picked up[/QUOTE]
okay then, guess we will adapt on the fly when bacon pulls some 16 y/o outta cuba as his lol
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[QUOTE=Chill Will 33;1424018411]okay then, guess we will adapt on the fly when bacon pulls some 16 y/o outta cuba as his lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah and we all know how bacon loves pulling 16yr old Cubans.
Also I saw you mention before about keeping the prospect from one year to another. I don't think that's a good idea. I mean let's be real everyone will be somewhat happy with their prospect. Which means if everyone or even a good majority of us want to keep the prospect we have there won't be a draft. I think you either have to add them as an actual keeper or they get thrown back.
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1424008771]Also I personally think the draft order should be in the order of the placements from the previous year. So first place would pick first. [B]Winning the league should get you a reward[/B]. It's the opposite in the regular draft. Also I'm not just saying that because I won but I think that's how it should be. It makes sense[/QUOTE]
Because money isn't a reward
N*gga are you retarded? This is the opposite of something makes sense.
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[QUOTE=SoutheastBeast1;1424021191]Because money isn't a reward
N*gga are you retarded? This is the opposite of something makes sense.[/QUOTE]
Why doesn't it make sense? Money is outside of the league has no effect on it. The winner already gets punished in the regular draft. Makes sense to reward the winners with higher picks in the prospect draft. We are all competitors here its not like the losers need a hand up. Like I said has nothing to do with me winning. Im a fair person I just personally think that's what's best. Its better then some random BS.
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[QUOTE=saaltydog;1424022171]Why doesn't it make sense? Money is outside of the league has no effect on it. [B]The winner already gets punished in the regular draft.[/B] Makes sense to reward the winners with higher picks in the prospect draft. We are all competitors here its not like the losers need a hand up. I personally think that's what's best its better then some random BS[/QUOTE]
You can't be serious. Let's punish them for real and not do a snake draft then. Snake drafting arguably negates all advantage to picking first. brb pick first them don't pick again until pick 30.
Such an advantage. How crippled you are in the draft order this year Chrallmor. What was I thinking
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The drop off in talent from the first pick to the 14/15 is tremendous. From the 14/15 to 30 isn't all that much. So yeah I would say the loser gets an advantage considering they get the top player in the draft
Stop acting like your opinion is fact. It's one thing to disagree but no need to act like a whiney bitch.
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So to sum up the plan to me or way ahead is as follows:
We will add 1 N/A slot to each team for this season, that slot, like your 6 keepers will be filled prior to draft by comish
We will do a 1 round N/A draft on here (order was generated by bacon a page back)
To draft a player they must not CURRENTLY be on a MLB roster
The player you draft can sit in your N/A slot all season or you may drop them for another N/A player that you pick up
At the end of the year all N/A players that are not moved into a teams keeper slots go back into the draft pool for the next season
We will look to expand to 2 rounds next season depending on how this goes.
Trades will be done in Yahoo whenever possible, if the player you draft is not in the player pool on Yahoo, you will need to keep your N/A slot open and act as though your drafted player is in it till he becomes available.
Sum it up?