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anyone been lookin further into d-aspartate? iv been wondering what the latest new is on it as far as what people think of its safety and what not
i was reading this earlier and found it interesting although of course its a bit of a sales pitch as well
[url]http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/primordial-performance/108633-primordial-performance-presents-testosterone-conversion-factor-1-a.html[/url]
[QUOTE=bbh90;496339431]anyone been lookin further into d-aspartate? iv been wondering what the latest new is on it as far as what people think of its safety and what not
i was reading this earlier and found it interesting although of course its a bit of a sales pitch as well
[url]http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/primordial-performance/108633-primordial-performance-presents-testosterone-conversion-factor-1-a.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Since it's relatively new, you might have a hard time finding safety reports; however, the studies [i]do[/i] show a significant test-increase. As much as I like PP, you can get a 4 week supply for $25 elsewhere.
It seems like a sales pitch because it is. :eek:
[QUOTE=PinchTheBear;496341001]Since it's relatively new, you might have a hard time finding safety reports; however, the studies [i]do[/i] show a significant test-increase. As much as I like PP, you can get a 4 week supply for $25 elsewhere.
It seems like a sales pitch because it is. :eek:[/QUOTE]
ya its definitely an interesting supplement although the controversy over its safety makes me a little unsure if i want to be the test dummy for it lol
what are you thoughts on how safe it may be?
i personally think all the worries about safety on this product are unfounded.
yes, it is true that nmda(what daa converts into) does collect in the brain and testes, and there is evidence of neuro-toxicity, none of the info includes doses taking to reach those levels, nor amount of time on said dose.
I personally feel a 4-8 week go with either DAA or NMDA will have similar potential side effects, and they will be as minimal as almost any other natural herb/amino acid on the market today.
[QUOTE=bbh90;496342501]ya its definitely an interesting supplement although the controversy over its safety makes me a little unsure if i want to be the test dummy for it lol
what are you thoughts on how safe it may be?[/QUOTE]
As with all hormone-related supplements, my only concern is long-term use. Any responsible use should yield results similar to any other testosterone booster. Some would note that higher total test does not necessarily yield much benefit, but higher serum test does translate to lower SHBG and lower e2.
[QUOTE=VaughnTrue;496345551]i personally think all the worries about safety on this product are unfounded.
yes, it is true that nmda(what daa converts into) does collect in the brain and testes, and there is evidence of neuro-toxicity, none of the info includes doses taking to reach those levels, nor amount of time on said dose.
I personally feel a 4-8 week go with either DAA or NMDA will have similar potential side effects, and they will be as minimal as almost any other natural herb/amino acid on the market today.[/QUOTE]
Great info.
[QUOTE=VaughnTrue;496345551]i personally think all the worries about safety on this product are unfounded.
yes, it is true that nmda(what daa converts into) does collect in the brain and testes, and there is evidence of neuro-toxicity, none of the info includes doses taking to reach those levels, nor amount of time on said dose.
I personally feel a 4-8 week go with either DAA or NMDA will have similar potential side effects, and they will be as minimal as almost any other natural herb/amino acid on the market today.[/QUOTE]
so you would consider many of these potential side effects to be somewhat blown out of proportion? i found it strange for the supplement i provided a link to imparticular they recommended 12 days on 12 off it seemed to me a more effective cycle would be 4-8 weeks whats your thought? the thing i dont understand is what if this product wasnt advertised as a testosterone booster i wonder and just an amino acid i wonder if they would make these possible negative side effects sound so potentially devastating
[QUOTE=PinchTheBear;496346661]As with all hormone-related supplements, my only concern is long-term use. Any responsible use should yield results similar to any other testosterone booster. Some would note that higher total test does not necessarily yield much benefit, but higher serum test does translate to lower SHBG and lower e2.[/QUOTE]
interesting so it may be best to stack this product with something like activate xtreme? or possibly the hard fx or powercell products by anabolic extreme may have the best approach on manufacturing this product?
[QUOTE=bbh90;496354261]so you would consider many of these potential side effects to be somewhat blown out of proportion? i found it strange for the supplement i provided a link to imparticular they recommended 12 days on 12 off it seemed to me a more effective cycle would be 4-8 weeks whats your thought? the thing i dont understand is what if this product wasnt advertised as a testosterone booster i wonder and just an amino acid i wonder if they would make these possible negative side effects sound so potentially devastating
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I honestly believe the many potential side effects are blown out of proportion. Does that mean they can't happen? No, absolutely not. There are risks/dangers to using anything.
That being said, I feel the continual worries of people on this ingredient(and what it converts into NMDA) are just unfounded. If more info comes to light that shows otherwise, I'll be the first to say "hey guys I was wrong!" but as of right now there is nothing to show that moderate doses of either ingredient will cause long lasting or serious problems.
The only real concern people have mentioned are the possibilities for neuro-toxicity due to the ability for this compound to collect in brain tissue. As I stated above, I've seen ONE study showing potential for neuro-toxicity from this compound, yet in this study it didn't specify dose/kg of bodyweight, age/sex of participants, length of study, or many other pertinent bits of information.
New ingredients often cause a slight "panic" from users since they don't know that much about it, and dont have 50 friends who have used it already to let them know its safe.
[QUOTE=VaughnTrue;496357201]I honestly believe the many potential side effects are blown out of proportion. Does that mean they can't happen? No, absolutely not. There are risks/dangers to using anything.
That being said, I feel the continual worries of people on this ingredient(and what it converts into NMDA) are just unfounded. If more info comes to light that shows otherwise, I'll be the first to say "hey guys I was wrong!" but as of right now there is nothing to show that moderate doses of either ingredient will cause long lasting or serious problems.
The only real concern people have mentioned are the possibilities for neuro-toxicity due to the ability for this compound to collect in brain tissue. As I stated above, I've seen ONE study showing potential for neuro-toxicity from this compound, yet in this study it didn't specify dose/kg of bodyweight, age/sex of participants, length of study, or many other pertinent bits of information.
New ingredients often cause a slight "panic" from users since they don't know that much about it, and dont have 50 friends who have used it already to let them know its safe.[/QUOTE]
ya that makes sense its hard to decide what you believe and what not and the reality of it for example before people knew mercury was toxic plenty of ppl handled it i know my grandpa and even my mom handled it with their bare hands multiple times as if it was no big deal now a days you would think mercury is nearly instant death but obviously its not and as a matter even exposure to it for periods of time now and then wont even hurt many people so i guess what you were saying about in moderation or cycles it would make sense that your most likly not going to have some hugely detrimental side effects id still want to see more on the product but to some degree it seems i may just be scaring myself with some of these studies
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interesting so it may be best to stack this product with something like activate xtreme? or possibly the hard fx or powercell products by anabolic extreme may have the best approach on manufacturing this product?[/QUOTE]
I'm biased on this because I have an unforgivable grudge, as with many people on these boards, against Anabolic Xtreme. Quality, integrity, and reliability, in that order, are my three most scrupulously judged criteria for [i]any[/i] company. That said, Anabolic Xtreme has failed their customers.
DS, on the other hand, is a great company and ActivaTe Xtreme is a quality formulation.
I'm gonna start TCF-1 on monday. 12 days on 12 off then repeat for 12 more.
Has anyone noticed any stomach discomfort with DAA?
[QUOTE=TheFugitive;496387611]I'm gonna start TCF-1 on monday. 12 days on 12 off then repeat for 12 more.
Has anyone noticed any stomach discomfort with DAA?[/QUOTE]
I am on Day 7 of TCF-1 and have not noticed anything yet. Have you started taking it and noticed any positive results?
Where can you get D-Aspartate? Is it something you can pick up at your local supplement shop? Or do you have to order it online?
[QUOTE=buduan;619577373]Where can you get D-Aspartate? Is it something you can pick up at your local supplement shop? Or do you have to order it online?[/QUOTE]
Primaforce carries it
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/prima/d-aspartic-acid.html[/url]