how can anyone believe he is natty, especially after he said he torn his acl/had surgery senior year? that kind of serious surgery would set your physique/strength way back
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how can anyone believe he is natty, especially after he said he torn his acl/had surgery senior year? that kind of serious surgery would set your physique/strength way back
Typical kid with wide shoulders and good genetics. Nothing impressive IMHO, His training sucks as does his diet. Seriously does anyone believe thats his real diet? Without a pump he looks thin, no muscle density what so ever.
some pics he looks huge, others not nearly as much.
physique might be attainable natty but not at 18.
When trying to cut down do you prefer to use HIIT or just normal cardio?
HIIT all the way! I do ten minutes of HIIT every other day. [B]I jump on the bike,[/B]
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[QUOTE=Zaynbrah;918347263]damn strong routine how does he manage to do all of that and get optimum recovery time[/QUOTE]
hahah
[QUOTE=disbeast576;918497003]Typical kid with wide shoulders and good genetics. Nothing impressive IMHO, His training sucks as does his diet. Seriously does anyone believe thats his real diet? Without a pump he looks thin, no muscle density what so ever.[/QUOTE]You're jealous as **** lmao let's see if you look better than him
I'm not gonna lie I actually believed he was natty. Now that I've read this I'm skeptical. A varsity athlete let alone [i]football[/i] with a shot at D1 who stays natural? And this is a guy who also tried to claim he had sex with one of his teachers in high school. lol iwanttobelieve.jpg. but its hard...
mirin'
[QUOTE=otttis;918352133]quoted from the article " I jump on the bike"[/QUOTE]
lmao
[QUOTE=Hamzzza;918484633]
me at 183 cm 88 kg and around 12% bf
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12% BF? You serious LOL
You have next to no bodyfat, the only think that differs to Seid is diuretics.
I showed my non-natty friend (hes 6', 105kg lean, for context) a video of jeff seid and told him that people think hes natural. He laughed his ass off
[img]http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/61.jpg[/img]
That pic I can believe natty, but those other pictures are just insane.
Hasn't he been lifting since he was around 13 or so? and all those years of football.
Just can't get myself to be leaf.
Funny thing is he claims natty.
I really enjoy simplyshredded articles but honestly every single person they interview is a cyclist.
Also anyone that says he isn't big needs to realize how hard it is to stay that lean and maintain that much muscle.
Even if he's not natty its not like he can come out and say it. Saying he's roiding will affect his career so obviously he has no other choice but to lie. Either way mirin.
Wow I hope he understands the dangers of taking creatine, I know a guy who took so much creatine that he got so big and his heart exploded.
was waiting for this
[QUOTE=disbeast576;918497003]Typical kid with wide shoulders and good genetics. Nothing impressive IMHO, His training sucks as does his diet. Seriously does anyone believe thats his real diet? Without a pump he looks thin, no muscle density what so ever.[/QUOTE]
So, NOT thick, solid, tight...
[QUOTE=Bignate65;918524603]Wow I hope he understands the dangers of taking creatine, I know a guy who took so much creatine that he got so big and his heart exploded.[/QUOTE]
Sauna of Peace?
My younger brother has been training for about the same time as Jeff (he's one year younger) and he has a lot of mass (maybe even bigger than Jeff, but he's shorter) and a lot of people think he's on steroids and I can say 100% that he's not on steroids. And I don't consider myself or my brother have "elite genetics" by any standard. The reason my brother doesn't look as impressive as Jeff is because of genetics aka height, arm length, torso shape, chest shape, trap insertions, etc etc. So basically I'm saying there's a chance this guy is natural if he's been lifting for as long as he says and there's people in this world with crazy genetics (on the other side of the spectrum).
I wouldn't put my house on whether he is or isn't natty. just saying
[QUOTE=fofm;918543003]My younger brother has been training for about the same time as Jeff (he's one year younger) and he has a lot of mass (maybe even bigger than Jeff, but he's shorter) and a lot of people think he's on steroids and I can say 100% that he's not on steroids. And I don't consider myself or my brother have "elite genetics" by any standard. The reason my brother doesn't look as impressive as Jeff is because of genetics aka height, arm length, torso shape, chest shape, trap insertions, etc etc. So basically I'm saying there's a chance this guy is natural if he's been lifting for as long as he says and there's people in this world with crazy genetics (on the other side of the spectrum).
I wouldn't put my house on whether he is or isn't natty. just saying[/QUOTE]
I like how you posted pictures of your brother so we could see what you are talking about.
he needs to get a new photographer that doesnt make his face look painted up and ****gy time posing. but im blown away by his physique, thats my goal now. i dont care how much tech he has taken or hasnt taken, that couldnt have been easy to build
[QUOTE=fishnbrah;918546233]he needs to get a new photographer that doesnt make his face look painted up and ****gy time posing. but im blown away by his physique, thats my goal now. i dont care how much tech he has taken or hasnt taken, that couldnt have been easy to build[/QUOTE]
hes only 83kg at 6'0
not saying its small at his bf% but i think his genetics, muscle shape, insertions and probably his way of training has more to do with how he looks. obviously the celltech will help, but you wont look like him
[QUOTE=Zaynbrah;918490933]why dont u get real real lean and drop the growth to like 1-2ius so u dont hold a lot of water
also this thread proves again that weight = just a number[/QUOTE]
lol @ giving me dose advice
[QUOTE=FishoilRage;918517533]12% BF? You serious LOL
You have next to no bodyfat, the only think that differs to Seid is diuretics.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. the misc logic of bodyfat is so wrong, it's embarrassing. Water is everything
Guy on left was natty up until the contest the pic was taken for. Benched 400 squat 500 as a natty. then 12 weeks later the right pic was taken.
[img]http://s10.postimage.org/5rx6cxphz/Untitled_1.jpg[/img]
Is Jeff natty? Maybe, but I don't think so.
[QUOTE=Money Shot;918794373]Thank you. the misc logic of bodyfat is so wrong, it's embarrassing. Water is everything[/QUOTE]
what do diuretics do thats different from lowering estrogen? when it comes to water weight
[QUOTE=disbeast576;918497003]Typical kid with wide shoulders and good genetics. Nothing impressive IMHO, His training sucks as does his diet. Seriously does anyone believe thats his real diet? Without a pump he looks thin, no muscle density what so ever.[/QUOTE]
wut..
[QUOTE=Jooceman;918514643]I'm not gonna lie I actually believed he was natty. Now that I've read this I'm skeptical. A varsity athlete let alone [i]football[/i] with a shot at D1 who stays natural? And this is a guy who also tried to claim he had sex with one of his teachers in high school. lol iwanttobelieve.jpg. but its hard...[/QUOTE]
When'd he claim that? Sauce?
The more I see his physique the more I am convinced he isn't natty. Don't get my wrong though, I still think his natty!