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Drug laws
Where do you fall? Do you think drugs should be legalized or not?
For me I put it in the same category as abortion, death penalty, prostitution, and gay marriage. Take federal government out of the equation and let each state and their people decide.
If your state decides to keep drugs illegal and you don't like it you can either fight to change the law or move somewhere else.
I just find that it's unrealistic to think that everyone everywhere is going to want the same thing that I or others might want and the best solution to so many of these things is to simply let each state decide these issues for themselves.
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I think we're seeing the final years of the drug wars with the economy going where it is going. Let's take a magical trip back to high school history class. What did FDR say in regards to the prohibition?
"Let them have their beer."
Sooner or later, paying for this drug war just isn't going to be worth it and we're eventually going to give up on it. I agree (at least with the drug issue) that it should be left as a state issue. It's more economical and there's other things the feds should be concerned with.
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I agree. I definitely think pot should be legalized from a cost benefit stand point. Of course, if we shut down the borders it would cripple the drug trade.
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It's a difficult one. One thing that we do know though is that the "drugs war" is very expensive and unwinnable.
I would have to look through studies from various countries with different drug laws, or maybe even visit (as studies could well be skewed to a certain viewpoint).
It does seem insane to me that people are arrested or inprisoned for smoking weed. I don't really have a fixed view of the harder drugs.
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My stance is that it should be a state decision.
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I've done time twice for having less than a joint, and if arrested again I will have to go to prison for two years so yeah it should be legal.
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[QUOTE=sunyatasamsara;230740401]I've done time twice for having less than a joint, and if arrested again I will have to go to prison for two years so yeah it should be legal.[/QUOTE]
Let's discuss this over a joint...
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Legalize all drugs. Here's why:
The War On Drugs hurts everyone. In fact, the only people it helps are criminals who profit on the prohibition.
The War On Drugs costs the government $45.5 billion dollars a year through direct costs and the cost of incarcerating all these criminals. That's alot of cash. Cash that could do a lot of things for the country, or lower taxes for everyone. Also, ontop of this, it increases the costs of the local police. And, the government is losing even more money by not taxing drugs. Americans spend more money on illegal drugs than on education. It costs us money, and alot of it.
Also, the War On Drugs doesn't work! As a teenager, I can get marijuanna easier than I can get alcohol. According to most experts, we need to stop about 75% of importation and production (internal) of drugs to put the suppliers in the red. We stop about 20% with $45 billion dollars. This just causes the prices to increase because of supply and demand. It doesn't hurt the profit of the dealers or manufacturers.
The War On Drugs is supposed to be tough on crime, but in fact it creates more of it. The illegal drug trade is arguably the single largest aspect of organized crime. If drugs were legal, we would be cutting of criminals from one of the their largest ways to make money. Gangs form largely for profit. A lack of drug dealing has the potential to lower the influence and power of organized gangs. Without a doubt, it would lower their cashflow.
It hurts the drug users. They are paying higher prices, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But where they really suffer is from unregulated profit. Ectasy is a great example. MDMA by itself is a relatively safe substance. However, manufacturers, in an effort to decrease cost and other reasons, mix it with amphetamines and, in some cases, PMA. Both of which have much lower overdose ranges. People who are taking responsible doses can die from an OD from something they weren't aware in what they took. People can't know the purity of street heroin, which leads to overdoses.
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I highly doubt society is responsible enough to handle the legalization of drugs yet. The number of innocent people affected by drug users would increase dramatically, if not exponentially. Not only would more adults be affected, but also teenagers and children. Too much evil exists in this world. Think about it, crazy people to be on drugs (combinations of anything, endless possibilities due to legalization), be a complete failure at life and have no job and be a burden on society. Therefore needing money to supply their addiction, so they deal to whoever they can, convincing as many as they can, whoever it is. As soon as that person is addicted, you just lay back and take in the cash. We shouldn't try to help this happen.
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[QUOTE=sunyatasamsara;230740401]I've done time twice for having less than a joint, and if arrested again I will have to go to prison for two years so yeah it should be legal.[/QUOTE]
Where do you live? And how do you keep getting caught?
Anyways it should be legal.
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[QUOTE=Reed Viper;230754561]I highly doubt society is responsible enough to handle the legalization of drugs yet. The number of innocent people affected by drug users would increase dramatically, if not exponentially. Not only would more adults be affected, but also teenagers and children. Too much evil exists in this world. Think about it, crazy people to be on drugs (combinations of anything, endless possibilities due to legalization), be a complete failure at life and have no job and be a burden on society. Therefore needing money to supply their addiction, so they deal to whoever they can, convincing as many as they can, whoever it is. As soon as that person is addicted, you just lay back and take in the cash. We shouldn't try to help this happen.[/QUOTE]
Judging much? If they aren't responsible enough to use the substance and not abuse it, and knowing the limits then they should get what they have coming to them. It may seem cruel or unrealistic to a point, but it's survival of the fittest in life. You, nor I, nor the government (especially) have a right to step into an individuals domain and tell him or her what they can and cannot do to their own bodies. Free Choice is what America was all about, and drugs didn't even become an issue until it was pushed almost 200 years after this country was discovered. Politicians made it a problem, not users.
You are misleaded on addicts, many of them are workaholics and put more than their fair share into society and are far from a burden to society. Imagine if the money spent on "illegal" drugs was spent in America legally and taxed. Marijuana alone would bring in ~$4-6 billion a year, without being taxed like cigarettes. Then hemp, which is one of the most industrious materials in the world would bring in well over $10 billion annually. Take away the $45.5 billion being spent on the war on drugs. All of this over a plant that has little to no ill side effects, and has not and will not kill the user. Infact modern medicine and even the FDA as late as the late 70's hailed it was a miracle plant.
Education and true information is how we control ourselves, not propaganda and prohibition. This provides much ignorance and misinformation, which is worse than the results of Johnny H. Banger's overdose because prohibition and his personal duty to be responsible.
10 people jump off a bridge and die, most are smart enough to see that mistake and not jump off the bridge. Those that do jump accept their fate and the risks, and deserve their short comings if they do not hit the water right. We are not here to play nanny to every person in this country.
Prostitution wasn't a problem until it was made that by politicians and places where it is legal is much safer because they are tested, etc. As long as it is not forced, then it is their choice to provide the service they want. They are not infringing on anyone's rights or being violent in anyway.
Abortion and Gay marriage should be state issues. But state issues on all of these issue's is much better than federal regulation. Everything the government sticks their nose in fails.
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Illegal aliens kill people.
drugs kill people.
But they should sort out the illegal alien mess first before wasting time on drugs
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[QUOTE=Brother_Trucker;230730641]Where do you fall? Do you think drugs should be legalized or not?
For me I put it in the same category as abortion, death penalty, prostitution, and gay marriage. Take federal government out of the equation and let each state and their people decide.
If your state decides to keep drugs illegal and you don't like it you can either fight to change the law or move somewhere else.
I just find that it's unrealistic to think that everyone everywhere is going to want the same thing that I or others might want and the best solution to so many of these things is to simply let each state decide these issues for themselves.[/QUOTE]
You have the main concepts down. Expand your awareness
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[QUOTE=GettinRipped07;230762871]Judging much? If they aren't responsible enough to use the substance and not abuse it, and knowing the limits then they should get what they have coming to them. It may seem cruel or unrealistic to a point, but it's survival of the fittest in life. You, nor I, nor the government (especially) have a right to step into an individuals domain and tell him or her what they can and cannot do to their own bodies. Free Choice is what America was all about, and drugs didn't even become an issue until it was pushed almost 200 years after this country was discovered. Politicians made it a problem, not users.
You are misleaded on addicts, many of them are workaholics and put more than their fair share into society and are far from a burden to society. Imagine if the money spent on "illegal" drugs was spent in America legally and taxed. Marijuana alone would bring in ~$4-6 billion a year, without being taxed like cigarettes. Then hemp, which is one of the most industrious materials in the world would bring in well over $10 billion annually. Take away the $45.5 billion being spent on the war on drugs. All of this over a plant that has little to no ill side effects, and has not and will not kill the user. Infact modern medicine and even the FDA as late as the late 70's hailed it was a miracle plant.
Education and true information is how we control ourselves, not propaganda and prohibition. This provides much ignorance and misinformation, which is worse than the results of Johnny H. Banger's overdose because prohibition and his personal duty to be responsible.
10 people jump off a bridge and die, most are smart enough to see that mistake and not jump off the bridge. Those that do jump accept their fate and the risks, and deserve their short comings if they do not hit the water right. We are not here to play nanny to every person in this country.
Prostitution wasn't a problem until it was made that by politicians and places where it is legal is much safer because they are tested, etc. As long as it is not forced, then it is their choice to provide the service they want. They are not infringing on anyone's rights or being violent in anyway.
Abortion and Gay marriage should be state issues. But state issues on all of these issue's is much better than federal regulation. Everything the government sticks their nose in fails.[/QUOTE]
Completely see where your coming from, but there is no way we can predict what we are going to experience if ALL drugs were legalized. On a broad scale, a long-term one. I am actually completely fine with marijuana being legalized, I know that would save us a **** load of money. I know drugs possess the potential to get us completely out of debt but I think their are better alternatives. Think about people who are on lots drugs, raising their children to do the same ****. Those are innocent lives we can save, and you should feel the responsible need to take care of those people, instead to just let them perish. btw, for a while I am pretty sure we would notice a lot of overdose deaths with the plentiful supply of any and every drug escpecially with people combining a lot of those with alcohol. Survival of the fittest no longer applys to us, as we have evolved and gained a new level of intelligence and with it a new level of society. To "survive" in todays world is easier than breathing. and **** carrots.
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brb gonna smoke some pot, what do you think about that, politicians?
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It should be left up to the states. But no way should all drugs be legalized, Im all for mj being legalized as it should because it has been proven to be less harmful than cigs. When it is legalized(and it will but not for atleast 4 years) People who use it irresponsibly like driving while smoking, should be put in jail, just like a DUI. But meth, coke etc should not be legalized as it does nothing but decay society
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[QUOTE=Reed Viper;230838171]Completely see where your coming from, but there is no way we can predict what we are going to experience if ALL drugs were legalized. On a broad scale, a long-term one. I am actually completely fine with marijuana being legalized, I know that would save us a **** load of money. I know drugs possess the potential to get us completely out of debt but I think their are better alternatives. [b]Think about people who are on lots drugs, raising their children to do the same ****.[/b] Those are innocent lives we can save, and you should feel the responsible need to take care of those people, instead to just let them perish. btw, for a while I am pretty sure we would notice a lot of overdose deaths with the plentiful supply of any and every drug escpecially with people combining a lot of those with alcohol. Survival of the fittest no longer applys to us, as we have evolved and gained a new level of intelligence and with it a new level of society. To "survive" in todays world is easier than breathing. and **** carrots.[/QUOTE]
LOL there's a lot of parents already on drugs. So they're already raising their kids to medicate away any problem in life. Or look at alcoholic parents, it's a drug but still legal.
Look at the number taking anti-depressants and other "legal" drugs.
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[QUOTE=Pay_Me;230861571]LOL there's a lot of parents already on drugs. So they're already raising their kids to medicate away any problem in life. Or look at alcoholic parents, it's a drug but still legal.
Look at the number taking anti-depressants and other "legal" drugs.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, so why are we trying to increase that number again?
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[QUOTE=Reed Viper;230874631]Exactly, so why are we trying to increase that number again?[/QUOTE]
correlation does not equal causation
and plus ur dumb
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[QUOTE=HitItHard;230878551]correlation does not equal causation
and plus ur dumb[/QUOTE]
It does when you are against drugs :rolleyes:
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I dont know why its even discussed. No legalization is going to happen anytime soon as both candidates are against it.
Hell, Joe Biden wants to make creatine require a prescription. And you think they are going to entertain the thought of legalizing drugs?
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[QUOTE=sunyatasamsara;230740401]I've done time twice for having less than a joint, and if arrested again I will have to go to prison for two years so yeah it should be legal.[/QUOTE]
Wow time... like a few days?
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Dicriminalized at the very least.
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[QUOTE=Skunk;230732681]My stance is that it should be a state decision.[/QUOTE]That's not just your stance Jeeves, it's also that of the Constitution! Now if we can only remind our legislature of that. We'd be okay.
However, even then the law would still be unconstitutional.
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I agree, I think it should be the state's decision.
They are the ones that have to handle the force of arresting hundreds of thousands of nonviolent "criminals" when they could be rehabilitated in far better ways.
Especially cannabis laws. Get rid of those. They are absurd.
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[QUOTE=Reed Viper;230754561]I highly doubt society is responsible enough to handle the legalization of drugs yet. [/quote]So we should turn to our mommy and daddy government to instruct up? I was under the impression that making my own decisions was what being an adult was suppose to mean.
You may need Uncle Sam to take you by the hand and walk you across the street--I do not!
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[QUOTE=HitItHard;230844631]brb gonna smoke some pot, what do you think about that, politicians?
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I think I'll light up too. Lightbulb vaporizer FTMFW
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[QUOTE=KRANE;230883251]So we should turn to our mommy and daddy government to instruct up? I was under the impression that making my own decisions was what being an adult was suppose to mean.
You may need Uncle Sam to take you by the hand and walk you across the street--I do not![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KRANE;230883251]So we should turn to our mommy and daddy government to instruct up? I was under the impression that making my own decisions was what being an adult was suppose to mean.
You may need Uncle Sam to take you by the hand and walk you across the street--I do not![/QUOTE]
Damn I thought you were "highly conservative" (not that there's anything wrong with that, I consider myself to be conservative, it's just that you think women shouldn't be able to breastfeed their children in public and everything. well anyway). I'm shocked to find that you have some semblance of rationality in this matter. In fact, a lot of rationality!