Why is caffeine/ephedrine making me tired?

I only got 2 replies last post and I need help with this asap. I just started an EC stack and i figured it should be like this:

-before breakfast: 1 caffeine pill (200mg) and 1 ephedrine (25mg)
-and then again 5 hrs later

This seemed to be the most common thing people were doing, so i figured that was a good cycle to begin with. Now ppl are saying I shouldnt take that much caffeine on empty stomach, as it will make me tired? What do i do, break it in half? Also, should I still take 1 full ephedrine pill with it?

deja vu?

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stop making the same thread

Thanks for your contribution. Thats why i said "hey i only got 2 replies, i need help asap".

ya ok, good luck gettin it :(

look man, i'm not trying to "spam up the boards" here. It's just I wanted some simple advice as to WHY I am getting tired when taking this, and possibly some help for a new cycle?

[B]How low is your current calorie intake?[/B]
A decrease in calories and fats can lower test levels and make you semi-lethargic.

[B]How many hours of sleep are you getting each night?[/B]
8-9 hours of sleep a night make a world of a difference on a cutting cycle.

[B]How consistent is your current sleep schedule? [/B]
Stick to 8-9 hours of sleep a night, every night.

Past experience with caffeine/ephedrine?

Well, I weigh 170 lbs and probably am around 14% bf. I think im getting in roughly 2300 calories each day. My diet is very clean, and I am getting around 7-8 hrs of sleep each night. I can post my diet for you if you think you could give me some advice as to how it is affecting my energy levels. I've never used ephedrine before, but i have used caffeine just goofing off on occasion, and it made me very wired.

You may have an insulin sensitivty problem. Stimulants such as epehdra can bring this out major time.

[QUOTE=genetic1]I only got 2 replies last post and I need help with this asap. I just started an EC stack and i figured it should be like this:

-before breakfast: 1 caffeine pill (200mg) and 1 ephedrine (25mg)
-and then again 5 hrs later

This seemed to be the most common thing people were doing, so i figured that was a good cycle to begin with. Now ppl are saying I shouldnt take that much caffeine on empty stomach, as it will make me tired? What do i do, break it in half? Also, should I still take 1 full ephedrine pill with it?[/QUOTE]

caffeine can lower blood sugar drastically especially on an empty stomach.low blood sugar can make you feel wiped out. you should try it with food, especially complex carbs as simple carbs will only lower it more if thats whats happening.

its cause your recepotrs are burt man... take a break from stimulants for a month and then start up again

Are you getting any exercise with the morning dose? EC can give you a massive amount of energy, which when exercising might allow you to push yourself harder without you knowing it. When after you feel like crap since you raped the hell out of your body. I noticed this on the first and only day I felt the energy burst. Other than that, it's very likely caffine lowering your blood sugar levels, in turn making you feel tired and drowsy like. You may be sensitive to stimulants such as caffine.

[QUOTE=rcramden]caffeine can lower blood sugar drastically especially on an empty stomach.low blood sugar can make you feel wiped out. you should try it with food, especially complex carbs as simple carbs will only lower it more if thats whats happening.[/QUOTE]
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forget that ec stack crap. it doesnt work well for everyone. it did the same to me. big rush, big crash. I took Thermoloid and it was perfect. Steady energy and no "drop" off like ec does.

Wow do people ever love pulling assumptions out of their asses!

Only 1 person in this thread managed to hit the nail on the head; your receptors are down-regulated.

What it means is that you've become used to the effects and its having an adverse reaction on you.

In my case, this was permanent. I did a 2-month non stop cycle, and even a year later it doesn't have nearly the same effect it did as the first time I took it.

Take a break from stimulants and try again; maybe you'll be lucky.

Also, if this happened the first time you took EC, it might be genetic. Some people get upper results from downers and downer results from uppers.

[QUOTE=Arnaoutov]Wow do people ever love pulling assumptions out of their asses!

Only 1 person in this thread managed to hit the nail on the head; your receptors are down-regulated.

What it means is that you've become used to the effects and its having an adverse reaction on you.

In my case, this was permanent. I did a 2-month non stop cycle, and even a year later it doesn't have nearly the same effect it did as the first time I took it.

Take a break from stimulants and try again; maybe you'll be lucky.

Also, if this happened the first time you took EC, it might be genetic. Some people get upper results from downers and downer results from uppers.[/QUOTE]

Dude it looks to me that these people were merely trying to help and to tell you the truth all their suggestions look reasonable. As for the down regulating of the receptors that is also just a theory. Or it could be due to neurotransmitter depletion. Excess stimulant consumption depletes norepineprhine, epinephrine, and dopamine and beings E/C works by triggering the release of these it relies on abundant supply in the presynaptic receptors. This frequently occurs even in users of light stimulants such as in chronic coffee drinkers.

I have heard that persons with ADD or ADHD many times have the opposite reaction to stimulants, it makes them cash...If i'm not mistaken the drugs used to treat ADD/ADHD are mild cns stimulants...i don't know this to be fact, i got the info from someone who has it and was trying to treat it naturally.

[QUOTE=XRAGEX]I have heard that persons with ADD or ADHD many times have the opposite reaction to stimulants, it makes them cash...If i'm not mistaken the drugs used to treat ADD/ADHD are mild cns stimulants...i don't know this to be fact, i got the info from someone who has it and was trying to treat it naturally.[/QUOTE]
The drugs used to treat ADD are ussually amphetmaines pretty much the same thing as ICE or Meth

[QUOTE=XRAGEX]I have heard that persons with ADD or ADHD many times have the opposite reaction to stimulants, it makes them cash...If i'm not mistaken the drugs used to treat ADD/ADHD are mild cns stimulants...i don't know this to be fact, i got the info from someone who has it and was trying to treat it naturally.[/QUOTE]
Nothing mild about ******** and other amphetamines.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyEh]The drugs used to treat ADD are ussually amphetmaines pretty much the same thing as ICE or Meth[/QUOTE]

Now that is a huge exaggeration. Amphetamines are not nearly as powerful or addicting as meth.

[QUOTE=chlaxman]Now that is a huge exaggeration. Amphetamines are not nearly as powerful or addicting as meth.[/QUOTE]
Ritalin, Addareall etc are very addictive I took them for a month because they thought I had ADD and wanted to kill myself when I stopped taking them

********® CII is a pharmaceutical amphetamine used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder and narcolepsy. It was first prescribed in the 1970s as an anorectic (under the brand name Obetrol®), but such usage is now rare.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyEh]Ritalin, Addareall etc are very addictive I took them for a month because they thought I had ADD and wanted to kill myself when I stopped taking them[/QUOTE]
Yes they are addicting I agree I've used them quite a bit, but it is nowhere close to meth.

Try taking it in 4 hour intervals. Ephedrine's halflife is pretty short and you'd be reupping on the cusp of caffiene's halflife (6hrs IIRC). Taking it in 5 hour intervals is allowing your body to come down off the ephedrine, thus you get the crash and feel tired.

so then do you is it true that stimulants have the opposite effect?

[QUOTE=genetic1]I only got 2 replies last post and I need help with this asap. I just started an EC stack and i figured it should be like this:

-before breakfast: 1 caffeine pill (200mg) and 1 ephedrine (25mg)
-and then again 5 hrs later

This seemed to be the most common thing people were doing, so i figured that was a good cycle to begin with. Now ppl are saying I shouldnt take that much caffeine on empty stomach, as it will make me tired? What do i do, break it in half? Also, should I still take 1 full ephedrine pill with it?[/QUOTE]

god your a dumbass..

both have downs, thats all im going to say, anyone with half a brain and common sense when it comes to these two VERY COMMON suppliments will tell you that.

Lack of water can effect energy alot. also too many carbs in one serving can do this...or you may need to have your liver checked...when you start becoming tired all the time this is also a symptom

You need to take a break from stims. If you take them for long enough you can wear on your andrenals..nervous system. that is your problem lmao@ add comment. thats not how it works..it doesnt make you tired if you have add..it can calm you if you have add.

Im sorry to say that you CANT take stims for long periods of time like many people think. it DOES have side effects...even caffeine alone. drop the stims for 1-2 months at least.

start with a low dose next time.