Developing a product for the people - What do you want to see in a pre w/o stim ?

Some of you know that Big Picture Nutrition is developing a line of scientific based supplements. As of today, we are working with an industry leading formulator to develop our first sports nutrition product. (The first batch of Big Picture Nutrition products listed on our site, and hopefully through bb.c will be form health food types; high protein natty peanut butter, When & pea protein crisps, DIY Protein bars etc).

I have my own ideas about what I want this first, flagship product to be like Those criteria I know like the back of my hand. I also know, that I am not the only person that will be using this product, and in an effort to develop a product that you, the people want to see, I am looking for your input. The more I can gauge the climate of the form member the more I will have a direction to point our formulator. Though all suggestions will not be implemented, all will be considered.

The first product will be a pre-work out powder. Stimmed.

So let me ask you, what is it specifically you would like a stimmed product to do?
What would you make the focus be?
Pump?
burn?
Focus?
CNS overload?
Jitter free energy?
Stamina?
With creatine or without?

There are tons of great products out there, and we aim to be one of them. Not just another name that comes and goes, but a brand that truly delivers the results that the people want via science proven ingredients and pathways.

If you have any input at all, I would love to hear your ideas.

ANT

energy, focus, endurance and no prop blend for me(at the very least on the stims).

[QUOTE=Ace28;609062543]energy, focus, endurance and no prop blend for me(at the very least on the stims).[/QUOTE]

We will certianly NOT be hiding behind any proprietary blends.
That is for sure!

ANT

Really?
That's it?


ANT

Pump,Focus,Energy,Stamina,and creatine for me.Glad to hear it's not a prop. blend

you know, i might be alone in this, but i wouldn't mind a bubble gum flavored pre w/o drink...

No 1,3 D
Nitrates are cool
Doesn't stain my shaker cup

Pump without a creatine. Creatine and NO type products tend to have different time frames for activation in the body, so I always like to keep them separated. But def. a pump product

Nitrates, a solid creatine, under 150mg caffeine per scoop, leucine/ bcaa blend, sugar free!

NO 1-3 DIM! nitrates are great, not to high in caffine. also like added adaptogens

[QUOTE=michaelarmenta;609383963]you know, i might be alone in this, but i wouldn't mind a bubble gum flavored pre w/o drink...[/QUOTE]

One year after the Mr Olympia contest, I found myself with more free pre workout samples than I could ever use.
I cut them all open and dumped them in to a big empty tub.
Like a 5 lbs protein tub..
Almost filled it up
Every flavor of every sample I got from the show went in. Everything you could think of.
I mixed it up very well, and in the end, it tasted like bubble gum.
My thought was that is how they cam up with the bubble gum flavor in the first place.
Mixed all the extra flavors they had left over in to one..

Could be broscience.com though..

Who knows..

ANT

[QUOTE=gymrat53;609387103]No 1,3 D
Nitrates are cool
Doesn't stain my shaker cup[/QUOTE]

good start and agreed.

We wont be using any prop blends, so rest assured.


Creatine or no creatine is the question.

I prefer my creatine from a separate product.

L-Citrulline/Citrulline Malate
Glycerol
Nootropics
Leucine
Beta Alanine
Creatine (CreaPure, MCC)
Agmatine

BA, low calorie, no creatine.

[QUOTE=Tyler44;609482023]good start and agreed.

We wont be using any prop blends, so rest assured.


Creatine or no creatine is the question.

I prefer my creatine from a separate product.[/QUOTE]

I'd say none just for flexibility and people can get mono dirt cheap.

Preferably calorie free

Some ideas..

Carnitine of some sort
Cit Mal
Nitrates
NO 1,3 Dimeth
Cordyceps
Glycerol
MCC
Agmatine

[QUOTE=michaelarmenta;609383963]you know, i might be alone in this, but i wouldn't mind a bubble gum flavored pre w/o drink...[/QUOTE]

This would def be interesting...I'm down lol!

[QUOTE=gymrat53;609387103]No 1,3 D
Nitrates are cool
Doesn't stain my shaker cup[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=robertmm94;609468913]NO 1-3 DIM! nitrates are great, not to high in caffine. also like added adaptogens[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Prototyp3;609533813]Some ideas..

Carnitine of some sort
Cit Mal
Nitrates
NO 1,3 Dimeth
Cordyceps
Glycerol
MCC
Agmatine[/QUOTE]

I can already tell all of you, there will be NO 1,3 in this product. This decision was made a while back for a variety of reasons.

will this product come with a scoop?

[QUOTE=cjwav34;609495313]L-Citrulline/Citrulline Malate
Glycerol
Nootropics
Leucine
Beta Alanine
Creatine (CreaPure, MCC)
Agmatine[/QUOTE]

this + nitrates would be absolute money!

[QUOTE=quank;609541463]will this product come with a scoop?[/QUOTE]

Lol, at this time, yes.

Sugar-free would be great, pumps for sure, nitrates, agmatine, and BA.

Hmm as far as flavor goes, maybe try something different like mango, watermelon, or guava? Definitely random but I'm tired of the same old grape, fruit punch, berry, orange, and lemon-lime stuff out there. Something nice and smooth would be nice.

Maybe a flavorless product? Maybe not too popular, but unique for sure...

What about some glycoCarn? Plasmatic has gc and it gave me good pumps. Or was that just a fad?

No 1,3 please.

[QUOTE=quank;609541463]will this product come with a scoop?[/QUOTE]

haha. I am assuming you saw the other thread on this...

[QUOTE=BigPicNut;609481803]One year after the Mr Olympia contest, I found myself with more free pre workout samples than I could ever use.
I cut them all open and dumped them in to a big empty tub.
Like a 5 lbs protein tub..
Almost filled it up
Every flavor of every sample I got from the show went in. Everything you could think of.
I mixed it up very well, and in the end, it tasted like bubble gum.
My thought was that is how they cam up with the bubble gum flavor in the first place.
Mixed all the extra flavors they had left over in to one..

Could be broscience.com though..

Who knows..

ANT[/QUOTE]

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I just want everyone to know that the formulations we are discussing (behind closed doors) are exactly what you have been waiting for. Why? Because we fukking listen! We look at what the customer wants, that comes first and foremost. Then we review the science to make sure it all adds up in the lab. Then we confirm it in the trenches, make sure the prod can stand the true test of iron. After that, it's all yours.

Just sayin'. :cool:

Something with just the basics and not all the filler like sugar would be nice. N.O, high quality creatine, BCAA's, slow digesting protein to feed you throughout the workout, vitamins c and b12 and others that help energy, something that gives you a boost in energy other than caffeine (green tea etc...) easy digestibility so your first set doesnt involve the toilet and of course great flavor.

[QUOTE=subpolarbear;609631883]Something with just the basics and not all the filler like sugar would be nice. N.O, high quality creatine, [b]BCAA's,[/b] slow digesting protein to feed you throughout the workout, vitamins c and b12 and others that help energy, something that gives you a boost in energy other than caffeine (green tea etc...) easy digestibility so your first set doesnt involve the toilet and of course great flavor.[/QUOTE]

what's your opinion of Ajinomoto amino's?

[QUOTE=cjwav34;609495313]L-Citrulline/Citrulline Malate
Glycerol
Nootropics
Leucine
Beta Alanine
Creatine (CreaPure, MCC)
Agmatine[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=subpolarbear;609631883]Something with just the basics and not all the filler like sugar would be nice. N.O, high quality creatine, BCAA's, slow digesting protein to feed you throughout the workout, vitamins c and b12 and others that help energy, something that gives you a boost in energy other than caffeine (green tea etc...) easy digestibility so your first set doesnt involve the toilet and of course great flavor.[/QUOTE]

All of this. Def the BCAA's so if I choose I can double the serving and take half pre w/o and use it like an intra as well.

[QUOTE=quank;609541463]will this product come with a scoop?[/QUOTE]

well, since this is a stimmed product, there's not much need for a scoop. just use a heaping teaspoon.....

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=quank;609638983]what's your opinion of Ajinomoto amino's?[/QUOTE]

I really dont have that much experience using those yet so I couldnt give you an honest answer. From what ive read they sound like they are top of the line without all the b.s. added in.