should i use natural test booster ?

Hi i'm 21 year old and taking the basic right now protein, creatine, Opti-men, and fish oil. should i add any natural test booster ? in my mind is ZMA is that dangerous ? i'm kind of scare to take any hormor or PH product because ppl said it will fk u up bad so is ZMA a PH product ? or any other product tha tis safe out there ?

Lol. ZMA is just minerals dude. It's not even a test booster.

[QUOTE=Blindead;385237901]Lol. ZMA is just minerals dude. It's not even a test booster.[/QUOTE]

is not ? on the web site it said that it is so i'm not sure

None of the natural Test Boosters will hurt you. Most of them probably won't do anything though. MAYBE tribulus....

[QUOTE=jawadams;385240631]None of the natural Test Boosters will hurt you. Most of them probably won't do anything though. MAYBE tribulus....[/QUOTE]

Worst advice ever.

Tribulus will help with libido, but won't do anything for testosterone levels. Divanil based products have blood work on these boards proving they work, as do certain aromatase inhibitors like ATD or 6-bromo.

[QUOTE=jawadams;385240631]None of the natural Test Boosters will hurt you. Most of them probably won't do anything though. MAYBE tribulus....[/QUOTE]Yeah, great answer! ...

Tribulus terrestris for sure won't do 5hit for anyones testosterone levels. Atleast as far as studies go.

Maybe if you where a rat or whatever else animals they may have tested it on.

[QUOTE=th3_original;385246181]Worst advice ever.

Tribulus will help with libido, but won't do anything for testosterone levels. Divanil based products have blood work on these boards proving they work, as do certain aromatase inhibitors like ATD or 6-bromo.[/QUOTE]

hahahaha. I've def seen much worse on these boards, but it is pretty bad.

Op, you need to do some better research before even thinking of a product. I don't think you should be looking into a test booster right now. Seems like you need to build up a good base first. Get on a good diet plan, lift 4x/week, and take staple supps (joint support, fish oil, protein, mulit-v, and maybe creatine). Sometimes a sleep agent will be advertised as a test booster because deep REM sleep is when you hgh level rise the most. Just look at powerFULL.

JawAdams, and from what experience or expertiese do you say that most natty test boosters don't work? Cause most do work very well, just some are much better than others. Look into T-Bol, BioForge or ActiveExtreme...

[QUOTE=WyldByll;385248971]hahahaha. I've def seen much worse on these boards, but it is pretty bad.

Op, you need to do some better research before even thinking of a product. I don't think you should be looking into a test booster right now. Seems like you need to build up a good base first. Get on a good diet plan, lift 4x/week, and take staple supps (joint support, fish oil, protein, mulit-v, and maybe creatine). Sometimes a sleep agent will be advertised as a test booster because deep REM sleep is when you hgh level rise the most. Just look at powerFULL.

JawAdams, and from what experience or expertiese do you say that most natty test boosters don't work? Cause most do work very well, just some are much better than others. Look into T-Bol, BioForge or ActiveExtreme...[/QUOTE]

Good advice here. If you are as confused as you seem to be about ZMA and other things, I think that you should stick to the basics for a while. Training and diet dictate 95% of results anyways, so it is best to just focus on those for the time being.

As for test-boosters, they can certainly be used effectively for you in the future. Tribulus is great for libido...not much else. Things like Activate Xtreme and Bioforge make good test-boosters, but not until every other part of your supplement, diet, and training regimen is in place.

[QUOTE=justinchen;385236731]should i add any natural test booster ? in my mind is ZMA is that dangerous ? i'm kind of scare to take any hormor or PH product because ppl said it will fk u up bad so is ZMA a PH product ? or any other product tha tis safe out there ?[/QUOTE]I doubt it will help much, save your money instead and keep on working out. If you think you can afford spending a lots of money on supplements which may not do much or anything at all feel free to do so.
ZMA isn't dangerous, or well, overdosing zinc or magnesium to extreme levels may be I guess, so don't.
So don't take a PH.
ZMA is not a PH. A pro-hormone has substances which the body will convert to real testosterone. ZMA is just a proprietary mixture of zinc monomethionine aspartate, magnesium aspartate and vitamin B6 in the form of pyridoxine. While low magnesium levels may be bad for your strength and zinc is a mineral used for among other things producing sperm I don't know if ZMA has really been shown to do much. If nothing else atleast as far as your zinc and magnesium levels already are ok it won't help your hormones or strength or anything. It's just a mineral and vitamin supplement.

Go whey, creatine, fish oil and caffeine or something.
[QUOTE=th3_original;385246181]Tribulus will help with libido, but won't do anything for testosterone levels. Divanil based products have blood work on these boards proving they work, as do certain aromatase inhibitors like ATD or 6-bromo.[/QUOTE]I don't remember but I think it was said there where no studies which showed that divanil worked but seems like it do from all the users.

While ATD in the case of Novedex XT raised testosterone quite a bit, free testosterone, dht to it didn't showed any changes in body composition. May have been to short time to test it or something but in any case I guess that just shows that it won't do a hell of a lot of difference atleast. It's not night and day even when it works.

[QUOTE=aliquis;385292261]
While ATD in the case of Novedex XT raised testosterone quite a bit, free testosterone, dht to it didn't showed any changes in body composition. May have been to short time to test it or something but in any case I guess that just shows that it won't do a hell of a lot of difference atleast. It's not night and day even when it works.[/QUOTE]

To my knowledge, the NXT study showed a significant drop in fat-mass. Something I'd definitely consider to be a large positive.

As for Divanil, there is a fair bit of bloodwork to show its efficacy in raising free testosterone.

Also, take all studies (like the NXT one) with a grain of salt. As you mentioned, the subjects showed major increases in Testosterone, etc...However, since diets were not necessarily standardized/controlled, the overall body-comp results could be greatly skewed.