Using prohormones(5 Deca zol)

Ok so ive been working out for 4 years and the last two i have really devoted my lifestyle to body building. I make sure I eat right and try to get 4000 calories a day. I have done intense research and have experimented to find which workouts suit me the best. I even take all kinds of supp like Jack3d, ZMA, Tribulus, Creatine, an estrogen reducer, and a good multi and I am not seeing great results.

So i have decided that im going to try out a prohormone. A friend of mine is told me about a product he used from complete nutrition called 5 Deca Zol, and he said it worked wonders for him with little side effects. He gained about ten pounds and kept it without PCT. I have done reasearch on this product and found out that its basically superdrol and halodrol together. I know both of these are methalated and can cause harm for your liver but i plan on having liver support and a SERM on hand when i do it. I will also do PCT.

Does anyone have any problems with me using this product. Any comments would help

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525817343]Ok so ive been working out for 4 years and the last two i have really devoted my lifestyle to body building. I make sure I eat right and try to get 4000 calories a day. I have done intense research and have experimented to find which workouts suit me the best. I even take all kinds of supp like Jack3d, ZMA, Tribulus, Creatine, an estrogen reducer, and a good multi and I am not seeing great results.

So i have decided that im going to try out a prohormone. A friend of mine is told me about a product he used from complete nutrition called 5 Deca Zol, and he said it worked wonders for him with little side effects. He gained about ten pounds and kept it without PCT. I have done reasearch on this product and found out that its basically superdrol and halodrol together. I know both of these are methalated and can cause harm for your liver but i plan on having liver support and a SERM on hand when i do it. I will also do PCT.

Does anyone have any problems with me using this product. Any comments would help[/QUOTE]

You've got my blessing. You might want to get a physical and blood work done before you do this. Just to know if you're healthy and what your levels are at before you **** with your body's hormones.

Have fun and good gains...

i would not stack SD and HD in one go. no wonder he gets results but i'd hate to see his cholesterol, plus remember some people are lucky when it comes to shutdown/rebound

i think try Hdrol 1st especially since its one of the best PHs out there.

People shouldnt run SD for more than 3-4 weeks, but with HD you can go for 6 weeks max which gives you more time to consolidate your gains and take advantage of time on cycle, especially as its your 1st.

in summary: 5 deca zol is a bad bad idea, in general and for you.

I definately wouldn't start with that since it has Superdrol ++ Halodrol
If I were you I would run Halodrol (H-drol) solo first, then gradually make your way up to more powerful PH's like Superdrol
And you will need a PCT, if you do end up running this PH get Nolvadex

[QUOTE=Honkey_Kong;525819143]You've got my blessing. You might want to get a physical and blood work done before you do this. Just to know if you're healthy and what your levels are at before you **** with your body's hormones.

Have fun and good gains...[/QUOTE]

did you read his post? his mate is taking HD and SD at who knows what dose and for how long.

plus, liver support only? if he actually had planned to do the hd/sd stack you condone then he'd need a lot more support that just that

[QUOTE=mark118;525820293]did you read his post? his mate is taking HD and SD at who knows what dose and for how long.

plus, liver support only? if he actually had planned to do the hd/sd stack you condone then he'd need a lot more support that just that[/QUOTE]

My buddy ran this product for 3 weeks with no kind of support which even i know is dumb. Though the product does come with a bull s*** PCT which consist of 6-Oxo and a little tribulus. I know this will not do the job and would like to get Nolvadex but other than buying it from a non-reliable source online i dnt know how to get it. Is there a good over the counter drug anyone can recomend

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525824213]My buddy ran this product for 3 weeks with no kind of support which even i know is dumb. Though the product does come with a bull s*** PCT which consist of 6-Oxo and a little tribulus. I know this will not do the job and would like to get Nolvadex but other than buying it from a non-reliable source online i dnt know how to get it. Is there a good over the counter drug anyone can recomend[/QUOTE]

6oxo wouldnt do poop for a cycle of SD. as would trib.

no otc would suffice for deca zol. stay away from this product. from my googling it looks like its

2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol =15mg
^ superdrol
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol =12.5mg
^ halodrol

so at 2/day the SD is at max ideal dose and the hdrol is still very low. people usually run hdrol at 50 then up to 75 not 25.

and SD as a steroid is hard on your system.

as a 1st PH, try straight up hdrol or epistane. keep the cycles short.

if you have to go OTC then keep an easy going prohormone eg epi. 4 week cycle of 30/day, and then use a pct of reversitol + bioforge.

just becaus your mate says hes ok, he might not be on the inside and you may not react so well either.

and always run cycle support. NAC or an all in one product are popular

this product is strong for even an advanced user... stay away!

[QUOTE=mark118;525826103]6oxo wouldnt do poop for a cycle of SD. as would trib.

no otc would suffice for deca zol. stay away from this product. from my googling it looks like its

2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol =15mg
^ superdrol
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol =12.5mg
^ halodrol

so at 2/day the SD is at max ideal dose and the hdrol is still very low. people usually run hdrol at 50 then up to 75 not 25.

and SD as a steroid is hard on your system.

as a 1st PH, try straight up hdrol or epistane. keep the cycles short.

if you have to go OTC then keep an easy going prohormone eg epi. 4 week cycle of 30/day, and then use a pct of reversitol + bioforge.

just becaus your mate says hes ok, he might not be on the inside and you may not react so well either.

and always run cycle support. NAC or an all in one product are popular[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the imput man. One last question i had was do i have to worry about gyno(bitch tits) if i run this or another prohormone. I say this because i have a little bit of puffiness in my nipples from when I went through puberty and I dont know if i would be more apt to get it. Also if u think i would what we be good to run to ensure gyno does not arise

What age are you?

almost 20

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525847543]almost 20[/QUOTE]

at [B]19[/B] i really wouldnt be using prohormones

even though you been training for a few years, wait til you hit your early 20s.

trust me, its worth waiting for when your body as a whole is ready in all respects

/facepalm


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Yeah, that's too young bro. We have some young guys in the gym taking it and they have had some sides.

I've taken it myself, but am experienced (47yo). I can tell you that it's the bomb tho. I only took half dosages (1 per day) and it worked great.

5deca-zol, cyclo-bolan, pro-stanivar are all the same forumlation (halodrol and superdrol together). But they are increasingly hard to find.

I would recommed starting out with non-methylated compounds

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525817343][B]Ok so ive been working out for 4 years and the last two i have really devoted my lifestyle to body building.[/B] I make sure I eat right and try to get 4000 calories a day. I have done intense research and have experimented to find which workouts suit me the best. I even take all kinds of supp like Jack3d, ZMA, Tribulus, Creatine, an estrogen reducer, and a good multi and I am not seeing great results.

So i have decided that im going to try out a prohormone. A friend of mine is told me about a product he used from complete nutrition called 5 Deca Zol, and he said it worked wonders for him with little side effects. He gained about ten pounds and kept it without PCT. I have done reasearch on this product and found out that its basically superdrol and halodrol together. I know both of these are methalated and can cause harm for your liver but i plan on having liver support and a SERM on hand when i do it. I will also do PCT.

Does anyone have any problems with me using this product. Any comments would help[/QUOTE]
did anyone miss the fact that he's 6'1'' and [B]178 lbs[/B] but hes been working out for four years???

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525847543]almost 20[/QUOTE]
some one trolling??

If you want to dab into PH land, this is not the way to start. Do research on the various compounds, and understand fully the potential sides as well as PCT.

[QUOTE=AlwaysSwoleUp;525855733]Yeah, that's too young bro. We have some young guys in the gym taking it and they have had some sides.

I've taken it myself, but am experienced (47yo). I can tell you that it's the bomb tho. I only took half dosages (1 per day) and it worked great.

5deca-zol, cyclo-bolan, pro-stanivar are all the same forumlation (halodrol and superdrol together). But they are increasingly hard to find.

I would recommed starting out with non-methylated compounds[/QUOTE]

You should try just SD then. You'd get close to the same gains and it would be cheaper.

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525847543]almost 20[/QUOTE]

Training and diet, kid. I'll bet money that you just aren't eating enough calories. Some people who workout and have an active job/lifestyle really have to eat a lot to gain.

Up your calories and leave the pro-hormones until you're older.

[b][size=6]EAT MORE FOOD![/b][/size]

Think about this: If you're not [b]EATING[/b] enough to make gains now, you still won't be eating enough to make gains while ramming powerful & dangerous drugs into your body.

Read the first three links, then the other two for Teens:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3296321[/url]

A local supp store has radio commercials for this stuff...crazy what people will do for money

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525817343]Ok so ive been working out for 4 years and the last two i have really devoted my lifestyle to body building. I make sure I eat right and try to get 4000 calories a day. I have done intense research and have experimented to find which workouts suit me the best. I even take all kinds of supp like Jack3d, ZMA, Tribulus, Creatine, an estrogen reducer, and a good multi and I am not seeing great results.

So i have decided that im going to try out a prohormone. A friend of mine is told me about a product he used from complete nutrition called 5 Deca Zol, and he said it worked wonders for him with little side effects. He gained about ten pounds and kept it without PCT. I have done reasearch on this product and found out that its basically superdrol and halodrol together. I know both of these are methalated and can cause harm for your liver but i plan on having liver support and a SERM on hand when i do it. I will also do PCT.

Does anyone have any problems with me using this product. Any comments would help[/QUOTE]

im thinkin about running a ph cycle myself.I on the other hand am 23 and have been working out for 3 years on and off.im taking my first cycle and ive thought about m drol.
i already have my cycle and pct supplements thought out
i will run m drol and cycle support for 4 weeks and prior to cycle i will pop milk thistle,hawthorne berrys for 2 weeks and during cycle.pct i will continue to do so just be be sure idont experience anything out of the ordinary.For pct i will run either nolvadex xt or arimidex and i heard arimiedex is better because it blocks estrogen more effectively.Along with one of those i will use T Bomb 2 to make sure i get my test levels back up and reason why im gunna use t bomb is because i already ahve a bottle and might as well not waste it.PCT assist will be in the mix as well.
i have all the money set aside for what i will need but i just need to know where i can get a authentic bottle of m drol and no gimmics or scams.I dont want to spend money on sumthing that is fake and work at all.
anybody have any suggestions on what side or where i can my bottle of mdrol.
because i heard phs are "illegal" or banned meaning they pulled all the items of the shelves and are not sold,where would i be able to purchase them ?

im open to any suggestionss and advice.

[QUOTE=gottagoharddddd;526178103]im thinkin about running a ph cycle myself.I on the other hand am 23 and have been working out for 3 years on and off.im taking my first cycle and ive thought about m drol.
i already have my cycle and pct supplements thought out
i will run m drol and cycle support for 4 weeks and prior to cycle i will pop milk thistle,hawthorne berrys for 2 weeks and during cycle.pct i will continue to do so just be be sure idont experience anything out of the ordinary.For pct i will run either nolvadex xt or arimidex and i heard arimiedex is better because it blocks estrogen more effectively.Along with one of those i will use T Bomb 2 to make sure i get my test levels back up and reason why im gunna use t bomb is because i already ahve a bottle and might as well not waste it.PCT assist will be in the mix as well.
i have all the money set aside for what i will need but i just need to know where i can get a authentic bottle of m drol and no gimmics or scams.I dont want to spend money on sumthing that is fake and work at all.
anybody have any suggestions on what side or where i can my bottle of mdrol.
because i heard phs are "illegal" or banned meaning they pulled all the items of the shelves and are not sold,where would i be able to purchase them ?

im open to any suggestionss and advice.[/QUOTE]

You need a SERM like Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) as PCT for M-Drol. No "Novedex XT" or "arimidex" over the counter crap. Your test production will be shut down by the end of M-Drol and they won't help one bit. Either get a SERM which [b]will[/b] recover you quickly or don't run the cycle.

[QUOTE=athenrye;526187883]You need a SERM like Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) as PCT for M-Drol. No "Novedex XT" or "arimidex" over the counter crap. Your test production will be shut down by the end of M-Drol and they won't help one bit. Either get a SERM which [b]will[/b] recover you quickly or don't run the cycle.[/QUOTE]

ill testify to that.

[QUOTE=athenrye;526187883]You need a SERM like Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) as PCT for M-Drol. No "Novedex XT" or "arimidex" over the counter crap. Your test production will be shut down by the end of M-Drol and they won't help one bit. Either get a SERM which [b]will[/b] recover you quickly or don't run the cycle.[/QUOTE]

obviously i meant nolvadex and mispelled.they are both similar in names so thats a mistake anyone can make.but now that i know its "nolvadex" ill make sure to follw through with that rgarding pct.now my GREATEST question is still yet to be answered.
can sum one pm me and let me know a legit place to purchase the m drol.
sumwhere where you can rely on.
please and thank you.

[QUOTE=TheStog9282;525817343]Ok so ive been working out for 4 years and the last two i have really devoted my lifestyle to body building. I make sure I eat right and try to get 4000 calories a day. I have done intense research and have experimented to find which workouts suit me the best. I even take all kinds of supp like Jack3d, ZMA, Tribulus, Creatine, an estrogen reducer, and a good multi and I am not seeing great results.

So i have decided that im going to try out a prohormone. A friend of mine is told me about a product he used from complete nutrition called 5 Deca Zol, and he said it worked wonders for him with little side effects. He gained about ten pounds and kept it without PCT. I have done reasearch on this product and found out that its basically superdrol and halodrol together. I know both of these are methalated and can cause harm for your liver but i plan on having liver support and a SERM on hand when i do it. I will also do PCT.

Does anyone have any problems with me using this product. Any comments would help[/QUOTE]

Complete Nutrition, LMAO. Man if you care about your health you'd stay away from them. I've heard their adds on the radio and their sharks out for your $$$. Gotta remember their also enginering and making their own supplements and god knows what their putting in them. I'd stick with a more reputable company if I were you!

[QUOTE=gottagoharddddd;526203003]obviously i meant nolvadex and mispelled.they are both similar in names so thats a mistake anyone can make.but now that i know its "nolvadex" ill make sure to follw through with that rgarding pct.now my GREATEST question is still yet to be answered.
can sum one pm me and let me know a legit place to purchase the m drol.
sumwhere where you can rely on.
please and thank you.[/QUOTE]

You also added XT. Prescription Nolva is not Nolvadex XT, it's just Nolvadex. You are almost certainly referring to Novedex XT by Gaspari. If you don't know where to get M-drol, then you probably don't know where to get Nolva.

[QUOTE=mark118;525819523]i would not stack SD and HD in one go. no wonder he gets results but i'd hate to see his cholesterol, plus remember some people are lucky when it comes to shutdown/rebound

i think try Hdrol 1st especially since its one of the best PHs out there.

People shouldnt run SD for more than 3-4 weeks, but with HD you can go for 6 weeks max which gives you more time to consolidate your gains and take advantage of time on cycle, especially as its your 1st.

in summary: 5 deca zol is a bad bad idea, in general and for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mark118;525826103]6oxo wouldnt do poop for a cycle of SD. as would trib.

no otc would suffice for deca zol. stay away from this product. from my googling it looks like its

2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol =15mg
^ superdrol
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol =12.5mg
^ halodrol

so at 2/day the SD is at max ideal dose and the hdrol is still very low. people usually run hdrol at 50 then up to 75 not 25.

and SD as a steroid is hard on your system.

as a 1st PH, try straight up hdrol or epistane. keep the cycles short.

if you have to go OTC then keep an easy going prohormone eg epi. 4 week cycle of 30/day, and then use a pct of reversitol + bioforge.

just becaus your mate says hes ok, he might not be on the inside and you may not react so well either.

and always run cycle support. NAC or an all in one product are popular[/QUOTE]

what is better for lean mass gains while keeping body fat% down? hdrol by it's self or epi? and what about a pct of reversitol+x factor advanced (instead of bioforge)?

is this a safer way to start a ph cycle?
what is the difference between hdrol and epi as opposed to a test booster?

Oh man I can see why PH's are banned!

The over the counter crap isn't a PCT which ever way you slice it. Neither is liver support during a cycle. Really milk thistle and the ilk to deal with Superdrol?

Superdrol will turn your body into a toxic waste ground and if you value your health then do a proper PCT which will also get your body on track so you can keep some of the gains and continue to grow. Don't do this and you'll lose the gains and have terribly unhealthy insides.

I'm not against PH's or the real stuff but I am against irresponsible folk who are going to destroy their bodies and will only accept this once it's too late and they've got to deal with the aftermath.

The other thing I don't understand is, if you're going to take banned substances why not take the real stuff that is 10x's as cheap, 100x's as good and won't damage your health with responsible use.

I wish everyone the best who takes this stuff and be safe.

Leo

[QUOTE=LeoX;625026733]Oh man I can see why PH's are banned!

The over the counter crap isn't a PCT which ever way you slice it. Neither is liver support during a cycle. Really milk thistle and the ilk to deal with Superdrol?

Superdrol will turn your body into a toxic waste ground and if you value your health then do a proper PCT which will also get your body on track so you can keep some of the gains and continue to grow. Don't do this and you'll lose the gains and have terribly unhealthy insides.

I'm not against PH's or the real stuff but I am against irresponsible folk who are going to destroy their bodies and will only accept this once it's too late and they've got to deal with the aftermath.

The other thing I don't understand is, if you're going to take banned substances why not take the real stuff that is 10x's as cheap, 100x's as good and won't damage your health with responsible use.

I wish everyone the best who takes this stuff and be safe.

Leo[/QUOTE]

What if someone ran arimidex during and clomid for pct? Than would 5 Deca Zol be safer?