Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling
without creatine as I already take 5g per day
should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?
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Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling
without creatine as I already take 5g per day
should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?
BodyForge is a great option, and is non-stim
Also, Look for BodyForge 2.0 when it's released - should be very soon!
Tons of properly dosed actives in a non-prop profile, and it will definitely help improve endurance, recovery, and pumps. You can skip the Creatine too, as it will cover your daily needs as well.
Focus XT Caffeine Free version;)
Citrulline Malate > Citrulline
Agmatine >>> Arginine
Why spend money on a preworkout formula you know is going to underdose these ingredients? Buy them in bulk and you can dose them efficaciously to your advantage. SNS sells both CM and Agmatine. You might also want to look into COP and beta alanine as well, two of the most endurance-boosting ingredients I can think of.
[QUOTE=4343;1015910873]Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling
without creatine as I already take 5g per day
should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?[/QUOTE]
Are you looking for NON-stim? Or just moderately stimmed?
As for non stim- [b]Body Octane[/b] is probably your best bet
As for lighter stimmed product, I'd suggest checking out [url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergogenix/ergopump.html][b]ErgoPump[/b][/url]
at only 175mg caffeine per scoop its an excellent choice for those of us who are more sensitive than others
You could give Infinite Labs new products Pre-Fight a go.
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/infinite-labs/fighters-power-pre-fight.html[/url]
It is geared more towards endurance and power like you are looking for :). Any questions hit me up sir!
Gaspari Superpump Max (Uncle Richie's Sour Green Apple flavor) or Controlled Labs White Flood are my two go-to pre's.
-Spaz
[QUOTE=4343;1015910873]Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling
without creatine as I already take 5g per day
should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?[/QUOTE]
i bet you will love iForce Hemavol
it is stim free,creatine free .
1scoop:
Niacin12.5mg 125% Vitamin B12 (As Methylcobalamin)1.2mg 20,883%
Hemodynamix Matrix:
Agmatine Sulfate500mg
Citrulline Malate2500mg
Glycerol Monostearate1000mg
Norvaline125mg
No2² Vasodilation Support Matrix Proprietary Blend150mg:
L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (As Ascorbic Acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%)
i use 2 scoops. nice pumps,endurance and my recovery is much better.
[QUOTE=xLGx;1015917043]Citrulline Malate > Citrulline
Agmatine >>> Arginine
Why spend money on a preworkout formula you know is going to underdose these ingredients? Buy them in bulk and you can dose them efficaciously to your advantage. SNS sells both CM and Agmatine. You might also want to look into COP and beta alanine as well, two of the most endurance-boosting ingredients I can think of.[/QUOTE]
^^^^^ well said
[QUOTE=Big_Spaz;1016027303]Gaspari Superpump Max (Uncle Richie's Sour Green Apple flavor) or Controlled Labs White Flood are my two go-to pre's.
-Spaz[/QUOTE]
^^^^ great 1 scoop "low stim" stim option!!!!
[QUOTE=Danes;1016030913]i bet you will love iForce Hemavol
it is stim free,creatine free .
Niacin12.5mg 125% Vitamin B12 (As Methylcobalamin)1.2mg 20,883%
Hemodynamix Matrix:
Agmatine Sulfate500mg
Citrulline Malate2500mg
Glycerol Monostearate1000mg
Norvaline125mg
No2² Vasodilation Support Matrix Proprietary Blend150mg:
L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (As Ascorbic Acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the Hemavol support!!! One of the best (if not the best) tasting pre on the market
[QUOTE=SoftballNerd;1016031283]Thanks for the Hemavol support!!! One of the best (if not the best) tasting pre on the market[/QUOTE]
hell yea!!! taste is insane. it is so good,i want to drink it whole the time. i love lemon taste
hemavol is my first pwo and i love it. enjoy when my muscles get swolen and veins come out like mad
[QUOTE=Danes;1016032413]hell yea!!! taste is insane. it is so good,i want to drink it whole the time. i love lemon taste
hemavol is my first pwo and i love it. enjoy when my muscles get swolen and veins come out like mad[/QUOTE]
That is really great to hear. We have two new flavors in the works (Tangerine and Fruit Punch iirc) but Lemon Drop is hard to beat.
[QUOTE=BigBoLuke93;1015912453]BodyForge is a great option, and is non-stim
Also, Look for BodyForge 2.0 when it's released - should be very soon!
Tons of properly dosed actives in a non-prop profile, and it will definitely help improve endurance, recovery, and pumps. You can skip the Creatine too, as it will cover your daily needs as well.[/QUOTE]^^^ BodyForge 2.0 all the way! It literally contains everything you could need stim-free. It should be out in a few weeks. I know your taking creatine, but if you choose this you can drop that since it already contains several great creatine salts.
AmiN.O energy has a great deal on this site going on right now. This gives you a very clean energy and a fantastic pump. It won't get you crazy hyped but will give you a boost and give you a good energy throughout your workout and get you a good pump.
[QUOTE=SoftballNerd;1016031283]Thanks for the Hemavol support!!! One of the best (if not the best) tasting pre on the market[/QUOTE]
Best in my opinion, I recommend it to everyone
[QUOTE=xLGx;1015917043]Citrulline Malate > Citrulline[/QUOTE]
the only thing oral malic acid will do is make things taste sour. There is no physiological basis (in healthy adults) for any one particular anaplerotic pathway to bolster mitochondrial efficiency mostly because we're dealing with H+ ion accumulation as the principle disturbance in anaerobic metabolism.
[QUOTE=PinchTheBear;1016101553]the only thing oral malic acid will do is make things taste sour. There is no physiological basis (in healthy adults) for any one particular anaplerotic pathway to bolster mitochondrial efficiency mostly because we're dealing with H+ ion accumulation as the principle disturbance in anaerobic metabolism.[/QUOTE]
wondered about this, Bear. As I was under the assumtion Citrulline was better. :confused:
[QUOTE=4343;1015910873]Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling
without creatine as I already take 5g per day
should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you might like White Flood. There's some good info on it here [url]http://www.musclecultivation.com/top-pre-workout-supplements/#more-30[/url]