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[QUOTE=FAN0FdaSport;1021055083]Arnold's biceps and chest are twice the size of wolf's. Arnold's proportions are also far superior. If they competed together, wolf would have all his clothes stolen and tricked into eating a box of cookies before getting on stage.[/QUOTE]Put world #3 Dennis Wolf's delts on Arnold and his chest would look much smaller, World #3 Dennis Wolf has a lot of mass in his bi's they just don't peak as well as Arnolds.
[QUOTE=flangmasterj;1021078313]You're getting worse Spud.[/QUOTE]I will take ('Spud')that as a compliment, Dexter is the 'blade', Arnold was the 'Oak', Bertyl was 'Brutal', Heath is'the gift'. Thankyou FlangmasterJ.
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[QUOTE=Nuclear_Warrior;1020899813]How am I trolling? I am not insulting or attacking? So what if I am 39?
By the way, your back looks much wider given that you are squeezing in your love handles. Do they come together in the front? <-- This is being ironic for the literary device impaired.[/QUOTE]
Rude, maybe i need to update my pic. You shouldnt say anything to anyone ever though, 42 inch waist, 18inch arms?? you failing you fat piece of chit.
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[QUOTE=jld010;1021102943]Rude, maybe i need to update my pic. You shouldnt say anything to anyone ever though, 42 inch waist, 18inch arms?? you failing you fat piece of chit.[/QUOTE]
Apparently they don't teach good grammar in South Africa. You trolled first, brah. I was just giving an opinion before you got all butthurt over someone disagreeing with you, especially your claims that 270 pounders have 30 inch waists.
You should research the definition of "forum".
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u bringing south africa into this? negged
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[QUOTE=ROMMYromboid;1021090023]I will take ('Spud')that as a compliment, Dexter is the 'blade', Arnold was the 'Oak', Bertyl was 'Brutal', Heath is'the gift'. Thankyou FlangmasterJ.[/QUOTE]Given your age, you should be nicknamed "The Centurion". I don't think I've ever seen a person who is 100 years posting on a forum and who started bodybuilding at almost 80.
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He's certainly as senile and demented as a centenarian(fancy way of saying centurian)
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[QUOTE=Riflemancho;1018320863]Something like Ronnie Coleman.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh he would look way better than Coleman. He actually looked better even back in 70s. I just love the look of the golden age. I know they have to do whatever it takes but man 70s guys had awesome bodies
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[QUOTE=ROMMYromboid;1021090023]Put world #3 Dennis Wolf's delts on Arnold and his chest would look much smaller, World #3 Dennis Wolf has a lot of mass in his bi's they just don't peak as well as Arnolds.[/QUOTE]
Put wolf's physique on Arnold and he would look worse. The same applies to the opposite of having Arnold's physique on wolf's as an improvement. Arnold does also have better delts than wolf, they just aren't better under the judging criteria of bbing that has and always will be the same.
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[QUOTE=muscleshakes;1021259243]Uhhh he would look way better than Coleman. He actually looked better even back in 70s. I just love the look of the golden age. I know they have to do whatever it takes but man 70s guys had awesome bodies[/QUOTE]
lol..
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Arnolds physique would be better than Wolf? If WOlf had better calves this wouldnt even be a comparison. Wolf has a ridculous waist, is wide as the greatest of the width monsters., has very strong legs. HAs a very good x frame. Just lacks bicep peak. How would Arnold be better than Wolf. Are more ppl trolling. Whats going on in here??
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[QUOTE=jld010;1021292433]has very strong quads. [/QUOTE]
Fixed
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[QUOTE=jld010;1021292433]Arnolds physique would be better than Wolf? If WOlf had better calves this wouldnt even be a comparison. Wolf has a ridculous waist, is wide as the greatest of the width monsters., has very strong legs. HAs a very good x frame. Just lacks bicep peak. How would Arnold be better than Wolf. Are more ppl trolling. Whats going on in here??[/QUOTE]Listen, you need to start articulating properly.
The greatest of the width monsters clearly doesn't count for much, seeing as it doesn't really give him a noticeable advantage on stage. He and Arnie are roughly the same height and he's got Arnold by 20-25lbs.
Arnold's weak points - quads, shoulders. Wolf's weak points - calves, BDB, biceps, hamstrings.
There's no way our good friend Wolf would walk over Arnold.
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[QUOTE=Groggery;1021316363]Listen, you need to start articulating properly.
The greatest of the width monsters clearly doesn't count for much, seeing as it doesn't really give him a noticeable advantage on stage. He and Arnie are roughly the same height and he's got Arnold by 20-25lbs.
Arnold's weak points - quads, shoulders. Wolf's weak points - calves, BDB, biceps, hamstrings.
There's no way our good friend Wolf would walk over Arnold.[/QUOTE]
Arnold weak points (by that era standards).......perhaps.
Let's be serious, his legs would not even be close to Wolf's (calves....yes, lol). Pose for pose Wolf is just a lot bigger, wider, more conditioned, etc. I think some of you are forgetting that even though it is "Arnold," his physique would not place today. You really cannot "guestimate" what it "would" look like but I highly doubt it would be what some of you are picturing.
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How would Arnold be better than Wolf? Hmmm, who's really trolling in here...
WOLF:
[img]http://wp.gom-jabbar.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Arnold-men-800x533.jpg[/img]
ARNOLD:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/nn0wB.jpg[/img]
Now the debate is, what would Arnold look like with TODAY's advances. In all the different pictures I've seen of both Arnold and Wolf, the only reason Wolf would beat Arnold is size. BUT, given that Arnold's shape is much, much superior and the potential extra mass he could have added given today's tools and methods he would absolutely dominate Wolf. I know certain people are going to vehemently disagree, but the only thing Wolf might have on Arnold given these hypothetical circumstances is quad size/sweep (but, IMO Wolf's quads look horrible, but that's just a personal preference), waist size and shoulder width. All of which mean jack when you have flat looking arms, no calves, super high lats and a good but not epic chest and your standing next to a man who has some of the peakiest biceps ever, super low inserting lats, good calves and a massive barrel chest. Arnold is just put together better than Wolf, no doubt about it at all.
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ARNOLD:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/nn0wB.jpg[/img]
Now the debate is, what would Arnold look like with TODAY's advances. In all the different pictures I've seen of both Arnold and Wolf, the only reason Wolf would beat Arnold is size. BUT, given that Arnold's shape is much, much superior and the potential extra mass he could have added given today's tools and methods he would absolutely dominate Wold. I know certain people are going to vehemently disagree, but the only thing Wolf might have on Arnold given these hypothetical circumstances is quad size/sweep (but, IMO Wold's quads look horrible, but that's just a personal preference), waist size and shoulder width. All of which mean jack when you have flat looking arms, no calves, super high lats and a good but not epic chest and your standing next to a man who has some of the peakiest biceps ever, super low inserting lats, good calves and a massive barrel chest. Arnold is just put together better than Wolf, no doubt about it at all.[/QUOTE]
Sergio is winning this pose. The guy was unreal!
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I have Arnold winning that FDB, Sergio's arms are far too overpowering, Arnold has much better flow and proportion. Close one though.
Also how the hell did Wolf lose that AC? Absolutely moronic judging.
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^^^
Oliva's almost look shopped, amazing.
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[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1021454893]
Also how the hell did Wolf lose that AC? Absolutely moronic judging.[/QUOTE]
GOAT left lat
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[QUOTE=SammyJr;1021461913]GOAT left lat[/QUOTE]
They may be imbalanced but at least he doesn't have a giant chunk missing from one of them, Wolf wasn't perfect but Branch looked dreadful
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[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1021454893]I have Arnold winning that FDB, Sergio's arms are far too overpowering, Arnold has much better flow and proportion. Close one though.[/QUOTE]
You just proved the power of Illusion.
Sergios arms are actually equal to arnolds arms in this picture. Sergios calves, quads, chest and lats are also bigger in that pose. The biggest difference between the two? Height and Waist Size.
I will gladly photoshop this for you if you want but if you give Sergios waist size to arnold (and vise versa) the effects will be dramatic
[B][size=6]P.S. WTF is going on with this thread and the posts people are making? We need to either do one of the following:
1. Stop being dumb by stating definitive facts
OR
2. Realize the best Ronnie Coleman would still beat the best Arnold on stage[/size][/B]
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[QUOTE=KoncreteKyle;1021470833]You just proved the power of Illusion.
Sergios arms are actually equal to arnolds arms in this picture. Sergios calves, quads, chest and lats are also bigger in that pose. The biggest difference between the two? Height and Waist Size.
I will gladly photoshop this for you if you want but if you give Sergios waist size to arnold (and vise versa) the effects will be dramatic[/QUOTE]
do it brah :)
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[QUOTE=KoncreteKyle;1021470833]You just proved the power of Illusion.
Sergios arms are actually equal to arnolds arms in this picture. Sergios calves, quads, chest and lats are also bigger in that pose. The biggest difference between the two? Height and Waist Size.
I will gladly photoshop this for you if you want but if you give Sergios waist size to arnold (and vise versa) the effects will be dramatic[/QUOTE]
Bodybuilding is a sport of illusion man. His arms are just as big but Arnold has a much thicker chest and lats that go down to his ass, Sergio's quads do look better here though.
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[QUOTE=SammyJr;1021471883]do it brah :)[/QUOTE]
LOL damnit ... Okay, I'm waking up at 5am MST (9hours 30mins from now) to finish some graphics for a couple companies. To warm up, I will make this chop. You better be ready! :)
[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1021473613]Bodybuilding is a sport of illusion man. His arms are just as big but Arnold has a much thicker chest and lats that go down to his ass, Sergio's quads do look better here though.[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly my point .. wait,are we on the same page here? ... Did we just become friends? LOL
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[QUOTE=KoncreteKyle;1021474913]LOL damnit ... Okay, I'm waking up at 5am MST (9hours 30mins from now) to finish some graphics for a couple companies. To warm up, I will make this chop. You better be ready! :)[/QUOTE]
[youtube]u6ALySsPXt0[/youtube]
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You have to keep in mind that Arnold became what he became because of what was what back then (duh..?), so if he was upcoming in this era, his training methods, philosophy, inspiration and all these other factors would have influenced his physique, he wouldn't even look like a bigger 70s Arnold. There's too much to count in.
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[QUOTE=RoroCwalker;1021475913]You have to keep in mind that Arnold became what he became of what was what back then (duh..?), so if he was upcoming in this era, his training methods, philosophy, inspiration and all these other factors would have influenced his physique, he wouldn't even like a bigger 70s Arnold. There's too much to count in.[/QUOTE]
This is very true. On page 2 (I think) I made some mathematical calculations that I felt accurately portrayed arnolds ascension into the current times. If I have time, I will create this photoshop rendition as well.
........ I should have just stayed out of this thread haha
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I think we can all agree, bodybuilders today look considerably different compared to that of the 70s but are there people here on the forum who legitimately think that the genetic pool of even the most elite guys has changed so much for the 'larger' that on stage weights and appearances are [I]that much different?[/I] A difference of 40 years making this much of a visual difference, genetically? Come on now...
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[QUOTE=aussieryan;1021440213]How would Arnold be better than Wolf? Hmmm, who's really trolling in here...
WOLF:
[img]http://wp.gom-jabbar.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Arnold-men-800x533.jpg[/img]
ARNOLD:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/nn0wB.jpg[/img]
Now the debate is, what would Arnold look like with TODAY's advances. In all the different pictures I've seen of both Arnold and Wolf, the only reason Wolf would beat Arnold is size. BUT, given that Arnold's shape is much, much superior and the potential extra mass he could have added given today's tools and methods he would absolutely dominate Wolf. I know certain people are going to vehemently disagree, but the only thing Wolf might have on Arnold given these hypothetical circumstances is quad size/sweep (but, IMO Wolf's quads look horrible, but that's just a personal preference), waist size and shoulder width. All of which mean jack when you have flat looking arms, no calves, super high lats and a good but not epic chest and your standing next to a man who has some of the peakiest biceps ever, super low inserting lats, good calves and a massive barrel chest. Arnold is just put together better than Wolf, no doubt about it at all.[/QUOTE]
You should be using 1971 Arnold for the FDB comparison, not 1972, which was one of his worst years.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kNmetLt.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=KoncreteKyle;1021470833]
2. Realize the best Ronnie Coleman would still beat the best Arnold on stage[/size][/B][/QUOTE]Derp, and bears **** in the woods. Who even claimed otherwise?
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How the fukk did this thread end up comparing Arnold to Wolf?