Original SS Template vs. Babylovers Modification

Just a discussion thread. What do you all think of the original SS vs. Babylovers SS modification?

Babylovers Modification:

A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
Chins 15-20 total reps, add weight or use assisted.
Rows 3x5 SUPER STRICT.
Optional: Cable rows, 3x8 bicep work, 3x8 rear delt flyes, do this at your own discretion. If you don't feel like it, don't worry

B
Front squat 3x5
OH Press 3x5
Deadlifts 1x5
Optional: 15-20 reps of dips, 3x8 tricep work

Original SS:

A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
2x8 chins*

B
Squat 3x5
OH Press 3x5
Cleans 5x3
2x8 dips*

Bump

I think you've got it wrong

I've already done SS. Original template. But a few weeks back some guy came out in the teen section and critisized it saying it lacked frequency and I think upper back work or something. His claims were that he could lift more than mark rippetoe. I guess he had a 700 lb deadlift. His username was babylover. But a lot of beginners in the teen section started to switch to this routine and up frequency. I'm past SS. I just wanna see what people have to say about it all.

Here's the link
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=135564721[/url]

I personally like baby whatever his name is better. SS lacks back work way too much which is a HUGE problem. Improper chest to back balances lead to back problems. Plus, more back work helps your bench and keeps your body proportionally correct.

SS isn't horrible, but the modified program makes it better

[QUOTE=dday39;721316941]I think you've got it wrong[/QUOTE]

unaware

[QUOTE=chrissypoo13;721427491]I've already done SS. I'm past SS.[/QUOTE]

clearly

[QUOTE=juicydanglers;721442311]unaware[/QUOTE]

absolutely

[QUOTE=chrissypoo13;721427491]I've already done SS. Original template. But a few weeks back some guy came out in the teen section and critisized it saying it lacked frequency and I think upper back work or something. His claims were that he could lift more than mark rippetoe. I guess he had a 700 lb deadlift. His username was babylover. But a lot of beginners in the teen section started to switch to this routine and up frequency. I'm past SS. I just wanna see what people have to say about it all.

Here's the link
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=135564721[/url][/QUOTE]

you know that kid was over 300 lbs and strong (and fat, he has leaned out since) before he hit 18? He's very genetically gifted if his heart doesnt explode before he turns 30.

POint being, babykiller has no experience in training lifters other than himself, while Rippetoe has.

Is the workout program a bad one? Not at all. But anyone can make minor tweaks to a program and call it their own. Not everyone can put out a 200 page book showing new lifters how to properly lift, which is the real genius of Starting Strength. Learning how to squat, bench, and deadlift propelry is more important than any template.

[QUOTE=dday39;721450651]clearly[/QUOTE]

I like the sarcasm. Especially when I've completed for myself every one of your personal goals in your sig :)



[QUOTE=desteph;721439161]I personally like baby whatever his name is better. SS lacks back work way too much which is a HUGE problem. Improper chest to back balances lead to back problems. Plus, more back work helps your bench and keeps your body proportionally correct.

SS isn't horrible, but the modified program makes it better[/QUOTE]

I would definitely have to agree! I like the original SS a lot but he does make the routine better with more back work. His stance on frequency though im a little bit iffy about

[QUOTE=DCSpartan;721506841]you know that kid was over 300 lbs and strong (and fat, he has leaned out since) before he hit 18? He's very genetically gifted if his heart doesnt explode before he turns 30.

POint being, babykiller has no experience in training lifters other than himself, while Rippetoe has.

Is the workout program a bad one? Not at all. But anyone can make minor tweaks to a program and call it their own. Not everyone can put out a 200 page book showing new lifters how to properly lift, which is the real genius of Starting Strength. Learning how to squat, bench, and deadlift propelry is more important than any template.[/QUOTE]

Oh I understand that. I'm not here saying he is better than mark rippetoe. I ran the original SS template and loved it. My lifts sky rocketed. And I still read over the SS book on a frequent basis. I just like the other template better. But it is more complicated than just 5 compound lifts total, 3 a day, 3 times a week. SS helped me actually get into lifting seriously and learn the lifts correctly which I'm thankful for

[QUOTE=chrissypoo13;721507311]I like the sarcasm. Especially when I've completed for myself every one of your personal goals in your sig :)
[/QUOTE]

Not quite.
Squat-yes
Bench-No
Deadlift-No

and you're a buck fifty. You haven't completed anything

Haha stats aren't updated sir :) all 3 are higher now! Also I'm 5'6 if you haven't noticed. And also weight isn't updated. I weigh the same as you! Crazy how that works!

Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here. I don't care what you do. You might have done Starting Strength for a period of time, but there's no way you 'finished' and are at a level 'past' SS. And saying that you've completed my personal goals for this year is laughable.

Height: 5' 6" (1 m 68 cm)
Weight: 153 lb (69.5 kg)

Bench: 221 lb (100.5 kg) [150*1.5=225]FAIL
Squat: 344 lb (156.4 kg) [Nice, but really no proof]
Deadlift: 287 lb (130.5 kg) [150*2.5=375]FAIL

Last Updated: Yesterday, 9:46pm

[QUOTE=dday39;721520051]Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here. I don't care what you do. You might have done Starting Strength for a period of time, but there's no way you 'finished' and are at a level 'past' SS. And saying that you've completed my personal goals for this year is laughable.

Height: 5' 6" (1 m 68 cm)
Weight: 153 lb (69.5 kg)

Bench: 221 lb (100.5 kg) [150*1.5=225]FAIL
Squat: 344 lb (156.4 kg) [Nice, but really no proof]
Deadlift: 287 lb (130.5 kg) [150*2.5=375]FAIL

Last Updated: Yesterday, 9:46pm[/QUOTE]

I'm not either. So what is a level past SS then if those numbers aren't?? I promise those aren't accurate by any means. All 3 for me are higher. The reason it was updated yesterday is because I play around with it for friends who are curious about their 1 rep maxes. Those are just close to the numbers I ended on. But let's turn this argument into discussion. What in your mind is the definition of being past SS into the intermediate level?

I don't think anyone can put a number on it. However, for a kid in his early 20's, weighing 150lbs, the bench and deadlift numbers could go much higher and the bodyweight would probably be a lot more.

Besides, SS (or similar) is a great program if you've taken an extended break from training. It's solid programming. If you take the time to understand the book and philosophy, then there's no need to compare to any other variant.

You could've gotten similar reponses from a thread by simply giving your opinion.

At the end of the day, it's all just means to an end. We've got a bunch of tools at our disposal. I'm sure your goals, philosophy, etc will change many times before you're ever 'done'.

[QUOTE=dday39;721542961]I don't think anyone can put a number on it. However, for a kid in his early 20's, weighing 150lbs, the bench and deadlift numbers could go much higher and the bodyweight would probably be a lot more.

Besides, SS (or similar) is a great program if you've taken an extended break from training. It's solid programming. If you take the time to understand the book and philosophy, then there's no need to compare to any other variant.

You could've gotten similar reponses from a thread by simply giving your opinion.

At the end of the day, it's all just means to an end. We've got a bunch of tools at our disposal. I'm sure your goals, philosophy, etc will change many times before you're ever 'done'.[/QUOTE]

I agree. The way the program is layed out there is no reason anybody shouldn't progress seeing as they are following it to the T. The problem with me is I have always struggled with my upper body. I played soccer for 15 years so when I finally decided I wanted to lift my stats were 110 lbs at 5'6. I was always a natural at squat, but I could barely lift the bar bench. So im pretty happy with what ive accomplished so far. And I'm far from done. I know they say hard gainers are just under eaters but I have to admit I have to eat a ton to gain weight. For me to gain a lb a week I at least have to eat 4000-4500 cals a day. My maintenance level is super high. I didn't create this thread to bash on SS. I think it's a great routine. I just wanted to see what other people had to say about babylovers stances which other than his routine, I don't agree on. But I'm benching 1rm bench around 245 and deadlift high 300's now :) so I'm happy. But I'm always searching for improvement