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Formadrol=SERM+AI
Disclaimer-i do not intend to use this product any time soon, simply curious as to the amswer.
Because Formadrol contains a SERM and AI, would that make it sufficent for PH PCT?
How does the strength of Diadzen(sp), the SEM found in Formadrol compare to that of Nolvadex?
Is the AI on Formadrol an ATD?
What would the doseing for this if used as a PCT be, assuming that it is weaker than Nolva, thus more would be needed.
Thanks
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I'm not completely familiar with this active; 6-alpha-methyl-etiocholene-3,17-dione.
However, I would not count on diadzen to be a very formidable serm.
Diadzen is a naturally occuring phytochemical found in soy i believe. It has very well known antioxident effects and has been used in treating menopausal women. It does seem to show some ability to selectively block estrogen receptors, however, it it needs to be paired with another soy isoflavone, genistein, for best results. It should also be noted that both of these phyto-chemicals act as estrogens in the parts of the body that they do not block receptors. That means that without using an ai, they could elevate estrogen levels.
As for dosing, you would need 50-75mg of these soy isoflavones to have any effect. If you took 3 caps, you might get some activity from the diadzen, but again, it should be paired with genistein for the best effect.
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^^^ wow thanks alot man, repped, anyone else got anything,
the LG rep says that this is ok for PCT, i dont know if i trust this, however if they are wrong then it seems like they would be liable position.
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personally, i would just go with a seperate AI + serm that you are more fimiliar with. i too dont have very much imput on 6-alpha-methyl-etiocholene-3,17-dione as do most people here i believe.
also, i dont mean to sound like a prick or anything, but i dont think a company rep would be a good non-bias source for this one...
just my .02 :)
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[QUOTE=maxiderm;13523950]personally, i would just go with a seperate AI + serm that you are more fimiliar with. i too dont have very much imput on 6-alpha-methyl-etiocholene-3,17-dione as do most people here i believe.
also, i dont mean to sound like a prick or anything, but i dont think a company rep would be a good non-bias source for this one...
just my .02 :)[/QUOTE]
no pick, i agree...which is why im wondering how legit this stuff really is for PCT...more so if its "a legal replacment" for Nolva...
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[QUOTE=RoidRage300;13524081]no pick, i agree...which is why im wondering how legit this stuff really is for PCT...more so if its "a legal replacment" for Nolva...[/QUOTE]
It is not a replacement for nolva.
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bump again...looking for LG rep
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PM LegalGear. He's a great resourceful guy who knows his stuff. However, formadrol is not a SERM. Selective Estrogen Recptor Modulators as mostly compounds classified as triphenylethylenes, not structures with a basic cholesterol structure (etiocholanes). I would REALLY suggest going with nolvadex, besides raising your HDL cholesterol post cycle, it wont totally block estrogen manufacture (estrogen has a role in gH production, so it wont affect this among other estrogen benefits), it will raise your natural testosterone production much better, no doubt.
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I do not think that Formadrol is sufficient for PCT at this point. LG’s a great poster and while he catches some flack for his business ethics, I still think he has a formidable amount of knowledge and deserves some respect. He’s awfully confident in Formadrol for PCT, but I’m just not convinced.
I have to admit though, I’ve been quite tempted to try running it for PCT because I have some nolva and raloxifene stashed away. Next time I use Superdrol I’m not keeping a log online, but I’d be willing to review Formadrol for PCT maybe. If I do, I’ll definitely share my thoughts about it.
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Formadrol isn't enough for PCT for sure. SERM is the way to go.
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Obviously it depends on what the pct is for, im guessing it is not strong enough for most roids, superdrol? who knows, he is convinced and im sure hes right considering he made both products that its suitable for LG's own PH cycles, but their PH are designed to be alot safer anyway although a little weaker than the likes of superdrol.
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i would have to agree with vision. for a full on roid cycle, i dont think formadrol woul hold up. but im sure LG would have designed it to be strong enough to work with their products
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[QUOTE=Wojin;13619811]i would have to agree with vision. for a full on roid cycle, i dont think formadrol woul hold up. but im sure LG would have designed it to be strong enough to work with their products[/QUOTE]
thats pretty much what im thinkin, superdrol/oxodrol may be a bit much for this as a pct, but maybe for phera/halo it would be sufficent? thoughts
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I am one of the believers that AI's lead to delayed gyno, I stay away from them in my pct and down the road. The legalgear rep claims that Formadrol is a great stand alone pct product and I am sort of a believer in his word. I believe that just because a product isn't classified as a drug, legal supplements may be just as strong. I am not a doctor or a researcher, this is simply my belief.
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yes, i was kinda leaning toward the fact that Formadrol may actually work for PCT as well, however i still dont have my mind made up
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It should be good, and alot better than ATD, unless your goal is to regrow/enlarge your thymus gland/speen.
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[QUOTE=RoidRage300;13654881]thats pretty much what im thinkin, superdrol/oxodrol may be a bit much for this as a pct, but maybe for phera/halo it would be sufficent? thoughts[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree a bit. Phera should still shutdown HPTA thus necessitating the use of a serm. In fact you should use a serm no matter what ph you take. Nolva is a requirement for PCT, IMO. It's possible that Formadrol may suffice but why take the chance?
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[QUOTE=wanderlei;13831271]I have to disagree a bit. Phera should still shutdown HPTA thus necessitating the use of a serm. In fact you should use a serm no matter what ph you take. Nolva is a requirement for PCT, IMO. It's possible that Formadrol may suffice but why take the chance?[/QUOTE]
i agree, however it has been stated numerous times that Formadrol does indeed contain a SERM...the potency of it is what i am wondering about
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First off, my business practices are impeccible. The only reason I have a bad rep on here is because other jealous companies teamed up to attack our credibility. You can take that to the bank, if you don't believe me email 10 of the top online web sites that sell bb products and ask them about LG, including bb.com. We have always treated our customers with respect and honesty.
Ok, off the soapbox for now...
I think FOrmadrol is better than Nolvadex for PCT, but that is certainly debatable. Both are really good products and Nolva is a good solid PCT product, but some people don't want to go the illegal route.
I posted on another thread how Daidzein is a fully active competitive inhibitor that is shown to boost LH and increase testosterone in the doses we have given. I will try and dig up the study.
So, in a nutshell, both Tamoxifen and Formadrol are good products. Some times, not always, we can make a product that is every bit as good as a pharmaceutical. I think Formadrol is just as good with the combination.
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[QUOTE=legalgear;13841291]First off, my business practices are impeccible. The only reason I have a bad rep on here is because other jealous companies teamed up to attack our credibility. You can take that to the bank, if you don't believe me email 10 of the top online web sites that sell bb products and ask them about LG, including bb.com. We have always treated our customers with respect and honesty.
Ok, off the soapbox for now...
I think FOrmadrol is better than Nolvadex for PCT, but that is certainly debatable. Both are really good products and Nolva is a good solid PCT product, but some people don't want to go the illegal route.
I posted on another thread how Daidzein is a fully active competitive inhibitor that is shown to boost LH and increase testosterone in the doses we have given. I will try and dig up the study.
So, in a nutshell, both Tamoxifen and Formadrol are good products. Some times, not always, we can make a product that is every bit as good as a pharmaceutical. I think Formadrol is just as good with the combination.[/QUOTE]
thanks alot for your input, anyone else
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is Diadzein the SERM in Formadrol Xtreme?
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[QUOTE=legalgear;13841291]First off, my business practices are impeccible. The only reason I have a bad rep on here is because other jealous companies teamed up to attack our credibility. You can take that to the bank, if you don't believe me email 10 of the top online web sites that sell bb products and ask them about LG, including bb.com. We have always treated our customers with respect and honesty.
Ok, off the soapbox for now...
I think FOrmadrol is better than Nolvadex for PCT, but that is certainly debatable. Both are really good products and Nolva is a good solid PCT product, but some people don't want to go the illegal route.
I posted on another thread how Daidzein is a fully active competitive inhibitor that is shown to boost LH and increase testosterone in the doses we have given. I will try and dig up the study.
So, in a nutshell, both Tamoxifen and Formadrol are good products. Some times, not always, we can make a product that is every bit as good as a pharmaceutical. I think Formadrol is just as good with the combination.[/QUOTE]
I can definatly put my thumbs up to Legal Gear themselves, theyve answered all my questions like gentlemen, sent me some goodies in the mail. Id rate their service 5 star, every pm iv sent them has been answered with great detail in a timely fashion.
Not to mention their Liquid masterdrol + Meth1d stack im on at the minute, is definatly impressing me.
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[QUOTE=MaddenMuscle;14033921]is Diadzein the SERM in Formadrol Xtreme?[/QUOTE]
yes
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Yeah, Daidzein is the competitive inhibitor like Tamoxifen. The key to any SERM is the RIGHT dose, where you don't have too much or too little, we feel that based on the data, we have the correct amount to give a response like Tamoxifen, now we believe tamoxifen to be more targeted, but the addition of an AI in Formadrol Extreme should more than make up it!
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[QUOTE=legalgear;14212661]Yeah, Daidzein is the competitive inhibitor like Tamoxifen. The key to any SERM is the RIGHT dose, where you don't have too much or too little, we feel that based on the data, we have the correct amount to give a response like Tamoxifen, now we believe tamoxifen to be more targeted, but the addition of an AI in Formadrol Extreme should more than make up it!
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So it is of your opinion that Formadrol Extreme is sufficient PCT for a SD clone cycle?
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Yes, it is my oppinion that it is very good:
See this abstract: too much SERM - bad, a very small amount = good! According to my research rat dosing is about 1/5 the amount what should be used in humans multiplied by 100 (if a rat is 1kg, then a human is 100kg), so 20mg at 4-5 capsules per day should put you in the exact right dose for Daidzein.
[Effects of daidzein on sperm quality, testis gain and testosterone in mice][Article in Chinese]
Han ZY, Wang GL, Chen W, Zhang LJ.
College of Animal Science & Technology, Nanjing Agricultural University, Nanjing, Jiangsu 210095, China.
OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effects of daidzein on sperm quality of male mice. METHODS: Three different doses of daidzein were supplemented to pubertal male mice for 21 days(5 mg/kg, 100 mg/kg, 1,000 mg/kg ration). The viability of sperm was determined by eosin-Y, the acrosome was observed by Wright-Giemsa staining, and the testosterone was measured by radioimmunoassay. RESULTS: Daidzein at the dose of 5 mg/kg ration significantly increased serum testosterone levels (P < 0.01), prompted testis gain (P < 0.05), and improved spermatozoa quality. Daidzein at dose of 1,000 mg/kg ration could inhibit the secretion of serum testosterone (P < 0.01), without significant variation in spermatozoa quality. Daidzein at dose of 100 mg/kg ration did not significantly affect sperm quality and other index. CONCLUSIONS: Daidzein can affect sperm quality and in dosage-dependant
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[QUOTE=MaddenMuscle;14213891]So it is of your opinion that Formadrol Extreme is sufficient PCT for a SD clone cycle?[/QUOTE]
I used it as a stand alone after a Masterdrol cycle. Formadrol did the trick for me for pct.
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[QUOTE=icanrace;14236891]I used it as a stand alone after a Masterdrol cycle. Formadrol did the trick for me for pct.[/QUOTE]
Can you offer anymore insight?
Libido? Mass and strength retention, etc… How long ago was it and what did your cycle look like if you don’t mind me asking.
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If I may chime in here--I used a product similar to Formadrol (Molecular Nutrition's Formastat) after an M-1-T cycle and kept most of my mass and strength gains.