Shoulders? Twice a week too much?

Im currently doing 40 mins of Cardio per day in two split set of 20 mins at the start and 20 mins at the end. Each day I work a diffrent part of my body with weights as well. I really want big shoulders so I do shoulders twice a week about 6-8 diffrent excersises each time. One day I'll do just shoulders, and then next time I will add shoulders along with back, or legs, or rarley arms.

Example weekly schedule:

Sunday-40 mins of Cardio
Monday 40 Mins of Cardio/Shoulders
Tuesday-40 Mins of Cardio/Legs
Wed-40 Mins of Cardio/Biceps&Triceps
Thur.-40 Mins of Cardio/Shoulders&Abs or Calves
Fri-40 Mins of Cardio
Saturday40 Mins of Cardio/Back

Am I overworking my shoulders you think? Im looking to get max results..NEED ADVICE!

You don’t train chest?

if they get enough rest(about 48-72 hours is optimal) it should be fine, also note that chest exercises usually involves the anterior delt(front)

[QUOTE=Rhylin15;840863001]Im currently doing 40 mins of Cardio per day in two split set of 20 mins at the start and 20 mins at the end. Each day I work a diffrent part of my body with weights as well. I really want big shoulders so I do shoulders twice a week about 6-8 diffrent excersises each time. One day I'll do just shoulders, and then next time I will add shoulders along with back, or legs, or rarley arms.

Example weekly schedule:

Sunday-40 mins of Cardio
Monday 40 Mins of Cardio/Shoulders
Tuesday-40 Mins of Cardio/Legs
Wed-40 Mins of Cardio/Biceps&Triceps
Thur.-40 Mins of Cardio/Shoulders&Abs or Calves
Fri-40 Mins of Cardio
Saturday40 Mins of Cardio/Back

Am I overworking my shoulders you think? Im looking to get max results..NEED ADVICE![/QUOTE]

Everyone usually have a muscle that grows really fast and one muscle that would be lagging , Try not to overtrain IMO keep workin shoulders 1 time per week and try adding more weight with proper form , you have any pics of your shoulders or whole body it might help us tell you whats the problem.

[QUOTE=Sean Tierney;840889831]You don’t train chest?[/QUOTE]

Im sorry, yes I do usually when I do Legs, if not then then on day by itself.

I like to stagger my chest/shoulder days at least 2 days apart so that my shoulders get appropriate rest. Something like Day1-Chest, Day 4-Shoulders, Day 6-Repeat from start.
You can fit in back/legs/arms wherever you think best

Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary. Your body may respond differently.

[b]Keep in mind I speak from the perspective of someone who's aim is growth and hypertrophy while attempting to minimize injury risk as much as possible.[/b]

Depends on your intensity and how you structure things......

Even with the typical bodybuilding split of.......
Chest/Tri , Back/Bicep , Shoulders , Legs
shoulders are still getting hit 3 days a week

Personally, my typically training schedule is:
-rear delts directly with back
-rest
-front and side delts directly with arms
- legs
-rest
-front delts will inevitably get hit again on chest day but I try to minimize their involvement as much as possible (DB incline, Decline BB, maybe some burnouts on the Smith if I'm at the gym).
-rest

Because shoulders get hit and stressed (from stabilization to tendons to internal/external rotation) on just about upper body move (except maybe abs/core) I try not to go hard and heavy on each delt head (rear, side, front) [b]directly[/b] more than once per week.
Even then if I'm really working hard to bring my shoulders up, I phase out dips, any flat chest moves, and weighted pullups.

For me and my body hitting shoulders directly once per week is enough for growth [b](when combined with other training)[/b].

Again, your mileage may vary. Your body may respond differently.

Try and see how it goes. It looks fine on paper.

You can do shoulders 2x/week. That's the whole principle behind a power/hypertrophy split. Working ALL body parts 2x per week, and that has yielded great results. Just make sure to get enough rest time in between, and if possible do different exercises/ different rep ranges.

Example

Day 1: Shoulder Press 4x6
DB Latera raises 3x6-8
Rear delt flies 3x6-8
Front raises 3x6-8

Day 2 Arnold Press 3x12-15
Cable lateral Raise 3x12-15
Face Pulls 3x12-15
upright Row 3x12-15



I did something similar for awhile and saw good results.

Any other reason as to why you want to train delts 2x a week? Just want big shoulders? Are you lacking size or strength in that area?

[QUOTE=Rhylin15;840863001]Im currently doing 40 mins of Cardio per day in two split set of 20 mins at the start and 20 mins at the end. Each day I work a diffrent part of my body with weights as well. I really want big shoulders so I do shoulders twice a week about 6-8 diffrent excersises each time. One day I'll do just shoulders, and then next time I will add shoulders along with back, or legs, or rarley arms.

Example weekly schedule:

Sunday-40 mins of Cardio
Monday 40 Mins of Cardio/Shoulders
Tuesday-40 Mins of Cardio/Legs
Wed-40 Mins of Cardio/Biceps&Triceps
Thur.-40 Mins of Cardio/Shoulders&Abs or Calves
Fri-40 Mins of Cardio
Saturday40 Mins of Cardio/Back

Am I overworking my shoulders you think? Im looking to get max results..NEED ADVICE![/QUOTE]

Most guys around here will disagree, but frankly I think training any body part more than once a week is too much.

[QUOTE=andrewmc;840996251]You can do shoulders 2x/week. That's the whole principle behind a power/hypertrophy split. Working ALL body parts 2x per week, and that has yielded great results. Just make sure to get enough rest time in between, and if possible do different exercises/ different rep ranges.

Example

Day 1: Shoulder Press 4x6
DB Latera raises 3x6-8
Rear delt flies 3x6-8
Front raises 3x6-8

Day 2 Arnold Press 3x12-15
Cable lateral Raise 3x12-15
Face Pulls 3x12-15
upright Row 3x12-15



I did something similar for awhile and saw good results.[/QUOTE]

Is it a bad thing if I do all of these in one shoulder session?

But mines more like this..

Day 1:Shoulder Press(front) 3x10(135lbs)
Shoulder Press(behind the head) 3x10(135lbs)
Waistliners(pull the dumbell from side of leg to above your waistline) 3x10 (65lbs)
DB Lateral raises 3x10(20lbs)
Rear delt flies(standing) 3x10(20lbs)
Front raises 3x12(20lbs)
Arnold Press (standing) Up Sets 1x12(30lbs) 1x10(35lbs) 1x8(40lbs)
Arnold Press (sitting) 3x10(30lbs)
Cable lateral Raise 3x10(30lbs)
Face Pulls 3x15(150lbs) This one sounds like the one I do when I use the cable with the rope extention, stand about a foot back, go into a squat position, then pull the center of the rope towards my face.
I also do one I forgot the name of it, but you use the barbell(45lbs) and do an over head press to behind the head press non-stop for a set of 3x15(45lbs)


Day 4:Shoulder Press(front) 3x10(135lbs)
Shoulder Press(behind the head) 3x10(135lbs)
Waistliners(pull the dumbell from side of leg to above your waistline) 3x10 (65lbs)
DB Lateral raises 3x10(20lbs)
Rear delt flies(standing) 3x10(20lbs)
Front raises 3x12(20lbs)
Arnold Press (standing) Up Sets 1x12(30lbs) 1x10(35lbs) 1x8(40lbs)
Arnold Press (sitting) 3x10(30lbs)
Cable lateral Raise 3x10(30lbs)
Barbell Shoulder Shrugs 1x10(135lbs) 1x10(225lbs) 1x10(275lbs)
Dumbell Shoulder Shrugs 3x10(70lbs)

I have noticed more definition and alot more strength! So far no problems with pain of any kind. The only problem I have is my grip gives out towards the end of my shoulder days, usually on the barbell shrugs. Thanks everyone for the advice!

[QUOTE=thisonefoo;841007841]Any other reason as to why you want to train delts 2x a week? Just want big shoulders? Are you lacking size or strength in that area?[/QUOTE]

I want big shoulders, and I think I lack size and strength as well, how would I know?

You could probably cut out the Arnold Presses. I think the shoulder presses will be enough for those specific shoulder muscles.

[QUOTE=mdd157;843044871]You could probably cut out the Arnold Presses. I think the shoulder presses will be enough for those specific shoulder muscles.[/QUOTE]

So then Im probly taking on too much you think?

[QUOTE=Rhylin15;843148711]So then Im probly taking on too much you think?[/QUOTE]

Maybe on your Thursday shoulder workout you could cut back on a few exercises. I do shoulders only once a week, but you have to remember other exercises such as chest/arms workouts can work your shoulders a little too i.e. bench press.

Also don't get discouraged if you don't see your shoulders getting bigger or shaped. No offense, but bf% can have an effect on the visuals of your shoulders.

[QUOTE=mdd157;843166431]Maybe on your Thursday shoulder workout you could cut back on a few exercises. I do shoulders only once a week, but you have to remember other exercises such as chest/arms workouts can work your shoulders a little too i.e. bench press.

Also don't get discouraged if you don't see your shoulders getting bigger or shaped. No offense, but bf% can have an effect on the visuals of your shoulders.[/QUOTE]

LOL, no offense taken! I know I have alot of BF, but Im working on it bro! I started out about four months ago at about 39% now I'm at 26.4% its a process, but Im trying. Thanks for the advice.

[QUOTE=RevSpunkwater;841009061]Most guys around here will disagree, but frankly I think training any body part more than once a week is too much.[/QUOTE]

have fun being small

Just wondering, I do this excersise I call "Waistliners" I was wondering if it works the medial deltoid or the rear more?

To me a "Waistliner" is when I get a 65 or 70lbs dumbbell on each hand, place them at the side of my leg, then lift the dumbells above my waistline.

I would think it works my medial deltoid more but just wanna know for sure. See, when I work my shoulder routine I try and do three sets of three different excersises that work my front, medial, and read deltoids... Thanks for the advice!

[QUOTE=Rhylin15;846447423]I do this excersise I call "Waistliners" I was wondering if it works the medial deltoid or the rear more?

To me a "Waistliner" is when I get a 65 or 70lbs dumbbell on each hand, place them at the side of my leg, then lift the dumbells above my waistline.

I would think it works my medial deltoid more but just wanna know for sure. See, when I work my shoulder routine I try and do three sets of three different excersises that work my front, medial, and read deltoids... Thanks for the advice![/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you're describing here. Are you lifting the dumbbells straight up?

Which direction is your elbow joint travelling? If it's backward, then it's the rear delt. If it's outward, then the middle head is working too. If it's forward, the front delt.

Just so people know, it's:
front/middle(or mid)/rear
OR
anterior/lateral(or outer)/posterior

No medial delts =/

[QUOTE=Rhylin15;841415081]Is it a bad thing if I do all of these in one shoulder session?

But mines more like this..

Day 1:Shoulder Press(front) 3x10(135lbs)
Shoulder Press(behind the head) 3x10(135lbs)
Waistliners(pull the dumbell from side of leg to above your waistline) 3x10 (65lbs)
DB Lateral raises 3x10(20lbs)
Rear delt flies(standing) 3x10(20lbs)
Front raises 3x12(20lbs)
Arnold Press (standing) Up Sets 1x12(30lbs) 1x10(35lbs) 1x8(40lbs)
Arnold Press (sitting) 3x10(30lbs)
Cable lateral Raise 3x10(30lbs)
Face Pulls 3x15(150lbs) This one sounds like the one I do when I use the cable with the rope extention, stand about a foot back, go into a squat position, then pull the center of the rope towards my face.
I also do one I forgot the name of it, but you use the barbell(45lbs) and do an over head press to behind the head press non-stop for a set of 3x15(45lbs)


Day 4:Shoulder Press(front) 3x10(135lbs)
Shoulder Press(behind the head) 3x10(135lbs)
Waistliners(pull the dumbell from side of leg to above your waistline) 3x10 (65lbs)
DB Lateral raises 3x10(20lbs)
Rear delt flies(standing) 3x10(20lbs)
Front raises 3x12(20lbs)
Arnold Press (standing) Up Sets 1x12(30lbs) 1x10(35lbs) 1x8(40lbs)
Arnold Press (sitting) 3x10(30lbs)
Cable lateral Raise 3x10(30lbs)
Barbell Shoulder Shrugs 1x10(135lbs) 1x10(225lbs) 1x10(275lbs)
Dumbell Shoulder Shrugs 3x10(70lbs)

I have noticed more definition and alot more strength! So far no problems with pain of any kind. The only problem I have is my grip gives out towards the end of my shoulder days, usually on the barbell shrugs. Thanks everyone for the advice![/QUOTE]

IMO that’s way too much work for the shoulders man. 10-11 exercises? There’s no reason anyone needs to do more than 4 exercises total, one that targets each area of the delt plus a pressing movement....and shrugs if you do them on shoulder day. More is definitely not better when it comes to shoulder training. I personally don’t even think you need to hit delts twice a week, they get enough stimulation on chest day that a second full shoulder workout is just going to wear them down and you’ll run into overuse type injuries and rotator cuff problems.

And waistliners are cool…never called them that myself (I call them straight arm lateral raises) but I think I know what you’re talking about. They’re a good finisher for the lateral head of the delts.

[QUOTE=Tyciol;846563783]I'm not sure what you're describing here. Are you lifting the dumbbells straight up?

Which direction is your elbow joint travelling? If it's backward, then it's the rear delt. If it's outward, then the middle head is working too. If it's forward, the front delt.

Just so people know, it's:
front/middle(or mid)/rear
OR
anterior/lateral(or outer)/posterior

No medial delts =/[/QUOTE]


My elbows go straight back...and now I know, THANKS!! Also, thanks a friend of mine told me that the middle delt was called the medial...dumbass! LOL!

[QUOTE=Sean Tierney;846936673]IMO that’s way too much work for the shoulders man. 10-11 exercises? There’s no reason anyone needs to do more than 4 exercises total, one that targets each area of the delt plus a pressing movement....and shrugs if you do them on shoulder day. More is definitely not better when it comes to shoulder training. I personally don’t even think you need to hit delts twice a week, they get enough stimulation on chest day that a second full shoulder workout is just going to wear them down and you’ll run into overuse type injuries and rotator cuff problems.

And waistliners are cool…never called them that myself (I call them straight arm lateral raises) but I think I know what you’re talking about. They’re a good finisher for the lateral head of the delts.[/QUOTE]

OK, I trust you. I've seen your BodySpace, and thank you for the advice! I'm sorry to be a pain in the ass with so many questions, which ones would you reccomend I do then, if you had to pick four or five for shoulders.(I love doing Waistliners)

[QUOTE=Rhylin15;848112843]OK, I trust you. I've seen your BodySpace, and thank you for the advice! I'm sorry to be a pain in the ass with so many questions, which ones would you reccomend I do then, if you had to pick four or five for shoulders.(I love doing Waistliners)[/QUOTE]
Fantastic thread I have saved it in my MS Excel File.

ive been hitting my shoulders 1.5 times a week
mon, friday, wed, repeat.
tried hitting them hard 2 times a week and i felt it wasnt enough rest time.