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After adding Glutamine to my supps, I've noticed a lot faster recovery and more energy in the weight room. I take it pre/post workout + before bed. 5g each time.
I haven't used ZMA, but I find Glutamine to def. help when cutting.
Not for the reasons the magazines preach. They can have their place. Personally I would use Zinc and Mag but not in the ZMA form and not all before bed. There are different timing for mag that can be more effect IMHO. They are important for overall health.
Neither of them does most of the things they are marketed as doing, so no, neither are important.
IMO both are in the category of "I've got everything else I really want and I have extra money to blow... so I guess I'll get these".
No.
I like to have magnesium and zinc (not ZMA) in my supplement regimen (cheap and have many health benefits).
If you had the money to waste sure, but before you spend $30 or so on a tub of l-glutamine do some searches and read some of the studies and the effectiveness (or lack thereof)
[quote=jon326;514920053]if you had the money to waste sure, but before you spend $30 or so on a tub of l-glutamine do some searches and read some of the studies and the effectiveness (or lack thereof)[/quote]
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[QUOTE=shadar;514908203]Neither of them does most of the things they are marketed as doing, so no, neither are important.
IMO both are in the category of "I've got everything else I really want and I have extra money to blow... so I guess I'll get these".[/QUOTE]
wrong
[QUOTE=knicks226;514933743]wrong[/QUOTE]
Lol. Enjoy spending your money on them then :)
Perhaps you should read a bit about glut though:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=296598651&postcount=7[/url]
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=493772631&postcount=17[/url]
[QUOTE=shadar;514946843]Lol. Enjoy spending your money on them then :)
Perhaps you should read a bit about glut though:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=296598651&postcount=7[/url]
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=493772631&postcount=17[/url][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md9.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.criticalbench.com/glutamine_muscle_building.htm[/url]
I'm just saying
[url]http://videos.bodybuilding.com/watch/64132/ingredient-guides-glutamine[/url]
[QUOTE=JeffR88;514959873][url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md9.htm[/url][/quote]
That article is from 2002. Many of the supersite articles are outdated and irrelevant relative to current scienctific conclusions.
[QUOTE=JeffR88;514959873][url]http://www.criticalbench.com/glutamine_muscle_building.htm[/url]
I'm just saying[/QUOTE]
[quote=http://www.criticalbench.com/glutamine_muscle_building.htm]
The bottom line?
Glutamine supplementation probably won't do anything for you if you are a bodybuilder on a proper dietary plan. Spend your money on more food if you are looking to build muscle.
At this point, I would really encourage you to do your own research. Granted, David has done a bang up job! Even I believed in glutamine for bodybuilding until I was faced tolook at real evidence and not a magazine ad or a myth from a big guy at the gym.[/quote]
I do agree that glutamine still has health benefits, but the subsequent research shows its inefficacy for body builders.
On the other hand, SO MANY big & lean gurus/pros swear by it. I'll take their advice over anyone else on a forum just because they have results and experience to show for it. Results speak.. ya know? :cool:
i like magnesium. seems to have a calming effect if you have anxiety.
[QUOTE=JeffR88;514959873][url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md9.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.criticalbench.com/glutamine_muscle_building.htm[/url]
I'm just saying[/QUOTE]
When you start posting links to the bodybuilding.com marketing pages you are admitting defeat before the argument even starts.
[QUOTE=shadar;514978283]When you start posting links to the bodybuilding.com marketing pages you are admitting defeat before the argument even starts.[/QUOTE]
I don't really view arguments as "winning" and "losing". You posted 2 links supporting your view, I posted 2 on mine; all of this with the intent that OP, or whomever, can read and make up their mind. We're just adding to a collective forum that holds an intent at spreading information, not arguing and slapping labels on subjective information as "right" and "wrong".
[QUOTE=shadar;514908203]Neither of them does most of the things they are marketed as doing, so no, neither are important.
IMO both are in the category of[b] "I've got everything else I really want and I have extra money to blow... so I guess I'll get these".[/b][/QUOTE]
I hate this category. It is the reason i have 4 shelves full of 2/3 full supps :( lol
and the damn reason i cant save any money. just a shopaholic