I tried to add the ones that are mentioned the most
would've added green tea and yohimbe but I could only post 10 for polling.
thx
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I tried to add the ones that are mentioned the most
would've added green tea and yohimbe but I could only post 10 for polling.
thx
SAN Tight is my favorite out of those.
I really think Redline should be up there.
Some people still do the older version of Stacker 2.
I never tried it, but heard rave reviews and scary warnings of Clenbutrx. The stuff isn't sold anymore.
No contest.
Pure EC stack is the obvious choice.
Clenbuterol IMO.
Word and this thread is pointless as there have been over a million threads on this
[QUOTE=pu12en12g]No contest.
Pure EC stack is the obvious choice.[/QUOTE]
best illegal fat burners
1. DNP
2. Clen + T3
best legal fat burner
EC
[QUOTE=creed428]
EC[/QUOTE]
Almost legal ;)
[QUOTE=Madevilz]Almost legal ;)[/QUOTE]
Very legal. Ephedrine was never banned at all, and even the Ephedra ban has been lifted.
EC is the clear winner out of those choices. Green Tea is a good addition, as is Sesathin.
Flagg
[QUOTE=bornkilla]I tried to add the ones that are mentioned the most
would've added green tea and yohimbe but I could only post 10 for polling.
thx[/QUOTE]
SAN's Tight
by the way if you do a search for poll on this very subject those polls either don't contain the new better products or contain products that are not sold any longer or contain about only 4 options. I did my search before posting.
EC and SesaThin
I vote sesathin and green tea as the best since these do not have to be cycled and are not only fat burning but good for you too---none of the others are long term---just a quick fix with some negs such as CNS overstimulation and crashes.
[QUOTE=Madevilz]Almost legal ;)[/QUOTE]
100% Legal, Cheap, and Effective
in my experience i think thermobol should be there! jus put it there and see who votes for it! worth a try
Personally, E/C works as a nice appetite suppresant, but does not aid fatloss.
Also, anyone have info on the alleged fact that the ban has been lifted. I have not seen anything concrete. I know there was a ruling by a federal judge, but I have seen nothing more.
EC stack. Without any shadows of doubts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where can you get Pure EC stack
[QUOTE=Hosscolt]Where can you get Pure EC stack[/QUOTE]
www . the internet . com
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=555239[/url]
Sesathin/sesamin products.
EC is cool and all I just don't like the jitteriness from it. I don't particularly hate it either since I know it comes with the territory, but its been enough to diswade me from ever using it frequently or for a long period.
[QUOTE=MISTERDUDE]EC is cool and all I just don't like the jitteriness from it.[/QUOTE]
Were you using Herbal Ephedra ?
[QUOTE=Twin Peak]Personally, E/C works as a nice appetite suppresant, but does not aid fatloss.
Also, anyone have info on the alleged fact that the ban has been lifted. I have not seen anything concrete. I know there was a ruling by a federal judge, but I have seen nothing more.[/QUOTE]
I've not heard anything more, either.
It has not shown up in the products list from Chinese manufacturers and no one of note has brought such a product out. So, I think there probably has not been anything since that.
Or maybe the insurance costs are prohibitive.
[QUOTE=Twin Peak]Personally, E/C works as a nice appetite suppresant, but [b]does not aid fatloss.[/b][/QUOTE]
I have to admit... I'm absolutely SHOCKED at how you phrased that.
Ephedrine/EC has the same effect on me - i notice excellent appetite supression to a certain degree, and it's a great pre-workout stimulant, but i notice zero difference in fat loss with or without it.
I just don't see how someone would be a Ephedrine non-responder, but I guess anything is possible:
[quote]Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent (clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent)[/quote]
It's not that i'm a non-responder - i get the appetite suppression and jittery stimulation. I just notice no acceleration or increase in fat loss with it.
I guess maybe my adrenergic system just isn't really all that responsive to it. Bear in mind clenbuterol does absolutely nadda for me - even 7 tabs/day.
I've seen a few online retailers selling ephedra-based products. But, for those who live in states that made ephedra illegal (such as Illinois), it is restricted. At this point, it's probably a matter of whose willing to sell it.
Also, most online retailers claim that the products they do carry are of limited stock, so once they're gone, I guess they're gone. But, I could easily take that as marketing.
[QUOTE=pu12en12g]I just don't see how someone would be a Ephedrine non-responder, but I guess anything is possible:[/QUOTE]
From the informed bodybuilding nutrition ebook (muscletalk.co.uk) 25mg of ephedrine can increase metabolic rate by nearly 10% (source: Astrup, et al 1992)
Anyway, doesnt matter what is true, what does matter though, is that it works.
[QUOTE=pu12en12g]I just don't see how someone would be a Ephedrine non-responder, but I guess anything is possible:[/QUOTE]
Truth be told, a 2 to 3% is not very dramatic. It may equate to 100 calorie increase in energy expenditure (example), which is 700 calories over the course of a week. It will take 5 weeks to lose a pound of fat.
Conclusion: It does not matter what you take, if you eat like ****, you will look like **** (save genetics of course). It always comes down to dieting/nutrition and exercise.
I will not that I personally find myself to respond very well to ephedrine and I think it is a great dieting drug/tool. The extra increase in energy expenditure it provides, coupled with the ability to suppress my appetite (especially with Scorch and Syneburn, although I do not recommend this to anyone), makes a big difference.
As a something to increase you MR, i don't think ephedrine is effective.
As an all around diet aid i don't think anything can touch it in forms of energy, appetite, synergy with other supplements, and the fact you can add almost anything you want for improved results.
Oh and don't forget the anti-catabolic effects.
I wish i could go back to the past and stock up on a lifetime supply of Hydroxycut with ephedra. the ephedra free version sucks !
and for some reason it seemed to work better than buying ephedra hcl + caffeine pills separately.
I would also not have f***d this nasty fat girl when i was drunk but thats a different forum
What is selling best for us right now is Lipo6. Customers love it, but since ephedra there seems to be a new top seller customers are after every three months or so.
[QUOTE=bornkilla]I wish i could go back to the past and stock up on a lifetime supply of Hydroxycut with ephedra. the ephedra free version sucks !
and for some reason it seemed to work better than buying ephedra hcl + caffeine pills separately.
I would also not have f***d this nasty fat girl when i was drunk but thats a different forum[/QUOTE]
....lol....what does that have to do with an EC stack?????
[QUOTE=Ephedra]....lol....what does that have to do with an EC stack?????[/QUOTE]
I guess the EC distorted his ability to see through the beer googles.
[QUOTE=pu12en12g]I have to admit... I'm absolutely SHOCKED at how you phrased that.[/QUOTE]
Clen did nothing for me either.
it has to do with the ec stack because i remember having mad energy. also being able to bench press 250 was helpfull in this situation as well. that girl was mighty hardy. tasted like jerky.
after searching for days, on all type of forums (searched polls, reviews, and threads). It has come down to the following as the best overall stack for fat loss.
EC + sesathin + fish oil + green tea
does anybody agree ?
[QUOTE=bornkilla]after searching for days, on all type of forums (searched polls, reviews, and threads). It has come down to the following as the best overall stack for fat loss.
EC + sesathin + fish oil + green tea
does anybody agree ?[/QUOTE]
Fish Oil should be a permanent staple of your diet, but otherwise, yes.
Flagg
im immune to the ec stack...sucks really does...but oh well lipo 6 better work
[QUOTE=Twin Peak]Personally, E/C works as a nice appetite suppresant, but does not aid fatloss.
[/QUOTE]
Why do you think that? (considering there is a lot of good evidence to the contrary)
[QUOTE=creed428]best illegal fat burners
1. DNP
2. Clen + T3
best legal fat burner
EC[/QUOTE]
DNP , hands down, the best, and if you know how to handle the sides, its awesome.
No muscle loss whatsoever like Clen/T3 and no jitters like EC. Just sweat, eat and sleep.
[QUOTE=Twin Peak]Clen did nothing for me either.[/QUOTE]
Are your receptors downregulated? Ever tried some keitofen or benadryl 2 weeks prior to the cycle. Do you take any other decongestant or asthma meds?
[QUOTE=zahriya]im immune to the ec stack...sucks really does...but oh well lipo 6 better work[/QUOTE]
benadryl for 2 weeks and then cycle 3 weeks off, your receptors should be pretty decent after that.
[QUOTE=Phosphate bond]Why do you think that? (considering there is a lot of good evidence to the contrary)[/QUOTE]
Like myself, it is just something he has personally made note of.
[QUOTE=Krzna]Are your receptors downregulated? Ever tried some keitofen or benadryl 2 weeks prior to the cycle. Do you take any other decongestant or asthma meds?[/QUOTE]
I'm speaking on his behalf here because he has already commented about it earlier in this thread, but we still get appetite suppression and stimulation from ephedrine (although i notice practically nadda from clenbuterol, not sure about him), so i doubt it has anything to do with adrenergic receptor downregulation.
Have you tried using yohimbe instead of epethrine then ? if you are immunde to ephedring that is.
Trimax...
[QUOTE=bornkilla]Have you tried using yohimbe instead of epethrine then ? if you are immunde to ephedring that is.[/QUOTE]
I sure have.
Orally, it's nothing special - especially considering i don't run low carb diets. Topically it is nice. I like LipoDerm-Ultra a lot.
[QUOTE=Phosphate bond]Why do you think that? (considering there is a lot of good evidence to the contrary)[/QUOTE]
Note the first word in my sentence -- "personally". And when qualified accordingly, there is NO evidence to the contrary.
[QUOTE=Robboe]I'm speaking on his behalf here because he has already commented about it earlier in this thread, but we still get appetite suppression and stimulation from ephedrine (although i notice practically nadda from clenbuterol, not sure about him), so i doubt it has anything to do with adrenergic receptor downregulation.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
As I have said elsewhere, very little "works" for me the way it does for others.