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[QUOTE=GetBigyo;295758331]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
please op if you arent trolling look at my above posts DO THAT. dont go to 230. just basically recomp[/QUOTE]
what do you want me to do then? If i get to 230 from 170 that means I gained 60lb's. If [I]half[/I] of that is fat (which would mean I utterly failed and didnt workout at all) then that means my LBM went up 30lb's. That means I can cut to like 195lb's and be at like 6%BF... that means awesomeness :D
Look at it this way
BEFORE: 170lbs, 9% BF = 154LBM
+ 30lb's LBM =
184lb's LBM.
So, when I cut down, let's say I lose about 4lb's of muscle and get to 195lb's
That means at 195lb's, my LBM will be 180lb's. BF % will be 8% (15/195= 0.08)
..THEN i'll look awesome
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[QUOTE=GetBigyo;295758331]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
please op if you arent trolling look at my above posts DO THAT. dont go to 230. just basically recomp[/QUOTE]
I disagree completely
I want to see 230 lbs! :D
DO IT. DO IT. DO IT.
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looks like you lost muscle as well as gaining fat. reevaluate what u did, its not for you
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295759731]what do you want me to do then? If i get to 230 from 170 that means I gained 60lb's. If [I]half[/I] of that is fat (which would mean I utterly failed and didnt workout at all) then that means my LBM went up 30lb's. That means I can cut to like 195lb's and be at like 6%BF... that means awesomeness :D
Look at it this way
BEFORE: 170lbs, 9% BF = 154LBM
+ 30lb's LBM =
184lb's LBM.
So, when I cut down, let's say I lose about 4lb's of muscle and get to 195lb's
That means at 195lb's, my LBM will be 180lb's. BF % will be 8% (15/195= 0.08)
..THEN i'll look awesome[/QUOTE]
but in reality, you will gain 60lbs and maybe 10lbs of muscle(being generous)..........your body does not add muscle that quickly, more food does not speed up the process either once you have met requirements.
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295759731]what do you want me to do then? If i get to 230 from 170 that means I gained 60lb's. If [I]half[/I] of that is fat (which would mean I utterly failed and didnt workout at all) then that means my LBM went up 30lb's. That means I can cut to like 195lb's and be at like 6%BF... that means awesomeness :D
Look at it this way
BEFORE: 170lbs, 9% BF = 154LBM
+ 30lb's LBM =
184lb's LBM.
So, when I cut down, let's say I lose about 4lb's of muscle and get to 195lb's
That means at 195lb's, my LBM will be 180lb's. BF % will be 8% (15/195= 0.08)
..THEN i'll look awesome[/QUOTE]
[img]http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4292/1rygx4.jpg[/img]
do it.
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295759731]what do you want me to do then? If i get to 230 from 170 that means I gained 60lb's. If [I]half[/I] of that is fat (which would mean I utterly failed and didnt workout at all) then that means my LBM went up 30lb's. That means I can cut to like 195lb's and be at like 6%BF... that means awesomeness :D
Look at it this way
BEFORE: 170lbs, 9% BF = 154LBM
+ 30lb's LBM =
184lb's LBM.
So, when I cut down, let's say I lose about 4lb's of muscle and get to 195lb's
That means at 195lb's, my LBM will be 180lb's. BF % will be 8% (15/195= 0.08)
..THEN i'll look awesome[/QUOTE]
LMFAO you have to be kidding me you just gained 100% fat over the last few months work, does not look like you gained a pound of muscle to me at all, so stop talking bull**** and do a recomp now before you realise that you will be a huge fat fuk if you bulk to 230!
You will do a cut and then crawl up and die when you realise your the same size if not smaller than a year previous.
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[QUOTE=Full_Blown;295760441]but in reality, you will gain 60lbs and maybe 10lbs of muscle(being generous)..........your body does not add muscle that quickly, more food does not speed up the process either once you have met requirements.[/QUOTE]
sure but I'm going to start supplementing with ZMA and Xtend from Scivation (look at their recent study!) in the next month, up until I get to 230. Supplements greatly increase the body's ability to gain muscle.
Then, when I cut i'm thinking of running an ECA stack to prevent muscle loss, as well as starting to megadose Controlled Lab's White Flood/Green Mag stack (different type of creatine in there that's better at helping you body keep muscle as opposed to the Cell-Tech that I'm taking now)
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18% in your first pic not 9
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295762171]sure but I'm going to start supplementing with ZMA and Xtend from Scivation (look at their recent study!) in the next month, up until I get to 230. Supplements greatly increase the body's ability to gain muscle.
Then, when I cut i'm thinking of running an ECA stack to prevent muscle loss, as well as starting to megadose Controlled Lab's White Flood/Green Mag stack (different type of creatine in there that's better at helping you body keep muscle as opposed to the Cell-Tech that I'm taking now)[/QUOTE]
If you think otc supplements GREATLY increase the bodies ability to gain muscle you are a *******.
Then cutting on ECA, you really do fail so bad.
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Also, to everybody who says you can't gain 1lb of muscle a week:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113689801[/url]
The people in the study gained 9lb's of muscle and LOST 4lb's of fat!! And that's without prohormones or steroids. Im going to take that supplement and do the same thing
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295763231]Also, to everybody who says you can't gain 1lb of muscle a week:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113689801[/url]
The people in the study gained 9lb's of muscle and LOST 4lb's of fat!! And that's without prohormones or steroids. Im going to take that supplement and do the same thing[/QUOTE]
*facepalm*
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[QUOTE=NigelThornberry;295763751]*facepalm*[/QUOTE]
oh, did I mention that happened in [B]EIGHT WEEKS?[/B]
there's a [I]real [/I]scietific study as opposed to all the "broscience" i keep hearing on this thread
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295763231]Also, to everybody who says you can't gain 1lb of muscle a week:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113689801[/url]
The people in the study gained 9lb's of muscle and LOST 4lb's of fat!! And that's without prohormones or steroids. Im going to take that supplement and do the same thing[/QUOTE]
wow..............................................
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:l..................................
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295763231]Also, to everybody who says you can't gain 1lb of muscle a week:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113689801[/url]
The people in the study gained 9lb's of muscle and LOST 4lb's of fat!! And that's without prohormones or steroids. Im going to take that supplement and do the same thing[/QUOTE]
So you think its the same for everyone?
They are probably new to weights and fuking dosile before.
Please, stop digging yourself into a huge hole, you fool.]
I would bet $1000 that you will not be near 200lbs 6% fat like you say you will in your time frame.
I will actually do this, $1000 bet.
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[QUOTE=Wevans2303;295764171]So you think its the same for everyone?
They are probably new to weights and fuking dosile before.
Please, stop digging yourself into a huge hole, you fool.]
I would bet $1000 that you will not be near 200lbs 6% fat like you say you will in your time frame.
I will actually do this, $1000 bet.[/QUOTE]
not new to weights, they've been training at least 2 years
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295763231]Also, to everybody who says you can't gain 1lb of muscle a week:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113689801[/url]
The people in the study gained 9lb's of muscle and LOST 4lb's of fat!! And that's without prohormones or steroids. Im going to take that supplement and do the same thing[/QUOTE]
Have fun with that
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295764821]not new to weights, they've been training at least 2 years[/QUOTE]
lmao.
it is a study done by the company, being posted by reps. you are quite naive.
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[QUOTE=Full_Blown;295766161]lmao.
it is a study done by the company, being posted by reps. you are quite naive.[/QUOTE]
so?
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Vadox do you want to take me up on this bet, when do you think you will hit 6% lean at 184 or whatever you claim.
With your current knowledge......NEVER.
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295766371]so?[/QUOTE]
none of their statements have to be true at all, they can conduct/interpret the study however they please.
they had a gatorade group that lost 1lb of fat, whey protein group gained 5lbs of muscle and lost fat.
xtend is just amino acids, it is a good product, but it does not have that large of an effect, nor does any non hormonal supplement. you are expecting way too much from supplements.
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[QUOTE=Wevans2303;295766691]Vadox do you want to take me up on this bet, when do you think you will hit 6% lean at 184 or whatever you claim.
With your current knowledge......NEVER.[/QUOTE]
lol i dunno anymore maybe but all u guiys on the thread seem to be thinking i dont know anything at all
and i guess group mentallity is worth something..
i still think ican do it tho,
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295749931]listen GUIZE, i understand it takes time to get to a good before/after thing. When i cut, and i compare the before with after, it'll be a lot better. think of this as "halfway" thru the transformation[/QUOTE]
i sea what you did there. troll.
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i'm [I]not[/I] trolling... (srs)
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You look doughy now, looks like you are getting too many calories
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I think it was better before I think u got the wrong idea on bulking
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IMO, there's no problem bulking to 230lbs at this point. OP's BF% is SO HIGH at this point, it'd be difficult to look any fatter taken that he's doing a slow bulk (.6lb-1lb a week). Try to gain the 25lbs in a one year period and a large percentage of it will come from muscle assuming you don't have the genetics of a girl. Your BF% will probably decrease in a bulk like that, THEN you can cut all the fat you gained from this moronic bulk of yours (lol 2800cals to 4300...). I guess at least you gained some muscle during the bulk, lol.
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[QUOTE=vadox6466;295767421]lol i dunno anymore maybe but all u guiys on the thread seem to be thinking i dont know anything at all
and i guess group mentallity is worth something..
i still think ican do it tho,[/QUOTE]
Well you clearly dont know anything because your under the impression your bulk was a succes, most of the people on here will agree it was a total failure.
You gained 30lbs of fat, no muscle.
I hate to say it but it looks like you stopped lifting and hopped it down to macdonalds for 6 months.
Also, it looks like the pictures should be the other way round, the before pic should be the after pic.
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looks like you gained a lot of fat.