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My buddy keeps telling me to cycle off for like a month to see the real benefits when I cycle back on.
I've been taking creatine, every day, for about two years. [b]Don't plan on cycling off either because I know it isn't necessary.[/b]
The thought started getting to my mind about how it's nearly impossible these days if you take other training supplements because they are included in there.
Anyone else notice this?
Maybe I'm just overthinking here.
No. Plenty of supps do not have creatine in them and theres no need to cycle creatine...ever.
There's tons of supplements without creatine in them.
To my knowledge, there is no reason to "cycle off creatine".
[QUOTE=dazedncnfz;1374147013]No. Plenty of supps do not have creatine in them and theres no need to cycle creatine...ever.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FormulaLT1poweR;1374147213]There's tons of supplements without creatine in them.
To my knowledge, there is no reason to "cycle off creatine".[/QUOTE]
I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible. But for example, I know you, ForumulaT1poweR could say Anarchy doesn't have it. But, True Grit Pre, C4, Pre JYM, all contain it and two of those are some of the most popular at them moment in the store.
Post workouts such as Post JYM, Myogenix Aftershock, Cell Tech ;)
Even Wal-mart's whey has creatine inside of it.
Yeah the DTs and withdrawals can be rough. I crap my pants and see Jesus when I get clean from creatine.
OP so is your complaint that too many supplements contain creatine?
[QUOTE=carguy123;1374150653]OP so is your complaint that too many supplements contain creatine?[/QUOTE]
No, no complaint, I love creatine. Just something that I was discussing the other day with someone and was wondering if anyone here noticed it too.
It's one of the most studied supplements, if not the most. Of course companies are going to add it to a lot of things. Ps your friend is an idiot.
[QUOTE=AMeyer9;1374154333]It's one of the most studied supplements, if not the most. Of course companies are going to add it to a lot of things. Ps your friend is an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Also most pre workouts don't even include a full serving, for example, Creatine Nitrate in C4 isn't even all creatine its a percentage nitrates within that gram or two, its added in for performance, pumps and vascularity. A gram or two a day isn't really enough to reach saturation, but youll still get some of the benefits.
I think one way to look at is is that maybe you are taking too many supplements if you have a hard time eliminating supplemental creatine from your diet.
If you supplement with mono, then you often select other supplements that only contain the ingredients that you need. As an example, just because a supplement pixi dusts something, doesn't mean it is helpful at all. So, if your supplement isn't already giving you 3 grams of creatine, IMO it is pretty much useless to even put it in the supplement, as the user will still need to add more creatine to it anyway.
As a general rule, you should not be buying any whey that has creatine in it. That is almost always marketed to the ignorant.
I cycled off once and my workouts for 1 month sucked....never cycling off again.
[QUOTE=AMeyer9;1374154333]It's one of the most studied supplements, if not the most. Of course companies are going to add it to a lot of things. [b]Ps your friend is an idiot.[/b][/QUOTE]
That's what I tell him. But he has a 1600 total at 19 years old, he just eats like a freak lol
[QUOTE=Vinny82;1374155203]Also most pre workouts don't even include a full serving, for example, Creatine Nitrate in C4 isn't even all creatine its a percentage nitrates within that gram or two, its added in for performance, pumps and vascularity. A gram or two a day isn't really enough to reach saturation, but youll still get some of the benefits.[/QUOTE]
I thought 1g of nitrate was all that was needed because of it's solubility... Then again, magnesium chelate and HCL are the same way..
[QUOTE=snorkelman;1374155233]I think one way to look at is is that maybe you are taking too many supplements if you have a hard time eliminating supplemental creatine from your diet.
If you supplement with mono, then you often select other supplements that only contain the ingredients that you need. As an example, just because a supplement pixi dusts something, doesn't mean it is helpful at all. So, if your supplement isn't already giving you 3 grams of creatine, IMO it is pretty much useless to even put it in the supplement, as the user will still need to add more creatine to it anyway.
As a general rule, you should not be buying any whey that has creatine in it. That is almost always marketed to the ignorant.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, I only take my creatine supplement on days that I don't use my pre or post that already has a decent dose.
[QUOTE=changemyoil66;1374155903]I cycled off once and my workouts for 1 month sucked....never cycling off again.[/QUOTE]
I never would, what's the point? :D
[QUOTE=Kennysvgp08;1374158403]
I thought 1g of nitrate was all that was needed because of it's solubility... Then again, magnesium chelate and HCL are the same way..
[/QUOTE]
No 1 gram of creatine is still 1 gram of creatine you need 3-5 grams daily, but you cant take more than 2 grams of creatine nitrate a day, its simply an NO3 supplement, the headaches would be unbearable and it could lead to BP issues.
[QUOTE=Vinny82;1374159133]No 1 gram of creatine is still 1 gram of creatine you need 3-5 grams daily, but you cant take more than 2 grams of creatine nitrate a day, its simply an NO3 supplement, the headaches would be unbearable and it could lead to BP issues.[/QUOTE]
Why do people have to reinvent the wheel. There's wrong with monohydrate.
nom nom creatine :-D
5 grams once a day everyday, forever.
[QUOTE=Kennysvgp08;1374146663]My buddy keeps telling me to cycle off for like a month to see the real benefits when I cycle back on.
I've been taking creatine, every day, for about two years. [b]Don't plan on cycling off either because I know it isn't necessary.[/b]
The thought started getting to my mind about how it's nearly impossible these days if you take other training supplements because they are included in there.
Anyone else notice this?
Maybe I'm just overthinking here.[/QUOTE]
It's more of a mental thing to cycle off and then get back on to "feel" the benefits. Really no practical reason to do so though.
[QUOTE=Gluteusassimus;1374160863]5 grams once a day everyday, forever.[/QUOTE]
works 100% of the time, every time
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[QUOTE=kissdadookie;1374162573]It's more of a mental thing to cycle off and then get back on to "feel" the benefits. Really no practical reason to do so though.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kennysvgp08;1374160043]Why do people have to reinvent the wheel. There's wrong with monohydrate.[/QUOTE]
Creatine Nitrate really isn't meant for the benefits of creatine, its simply creatine bonded to nitrates, in return it acts as an NO2 boosting ingredient for pumps.
[QUOTE=kissdadookie;1374162573]It's more of a mental thing to cycle off and then get back on to "feel" the benefits. Really no practical reason to do so though.[/QUOTE]
Just like caffeine :p
Neon Volt = Creatine Free and solid pre-workout
Conqu3r Non-Stim = Creatine free and solid non stim
NO3 = Stim free with no creatine..
etc
Never cycle it.
[QUOTE=The Solution;1374203703]Neon Volt = Creatine Free and solid pre-workout
Conqu3r Non-Stim = Creatine free and solid non stim
NO3 = Stim free with no creatine..
etc
Never cycle it.[/QUOTE]
Neon Volt is a great Pre-Workout. I think Neon is really underrated.
No point in cycling creatine
[QUOTE=Kennysvgp08;1374146663]My buddy keeps telling me to cycle off for like a month to see the real benefits when I cycle back on.
I've been taking creatine, every day, for about two years. [b]Don't plan on cycling off either because I know it isn't necessary.[/b]
The thought started getting to my mind about how it's nearly impossible these days if you take other training supplements because they are included in there.
Anyone else notice this?
Maybe I'm just overthinking here.[/QUOTE]
You are way overthinking things.
At this point you are fully saturated and should shoot for about 20-25 grams a week. Taking 5 grams on workout days will be enough to maintain your saturation. Creatine is as simple as it gets.
There is no good reason to stop supplementing creatine unless you have a medical condition. There is just too much upside to not use it long term.
No need to cycle off so why even entertain the thought....