Is it bad to have them on the same day. I also do SLDLs on leg day.
Is that too much for my lower back to handle?.
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Is it bad to have them on the same day. I also do SLDLs on leg day.
Is that too much for my lower back to handle?.
Not at all! Just make sure you keep your form good and you should have no problems.
Dont worry about what exercise you do, worry about the form of that exercise. As dparm said keep your form good and thats it. On my back day I do those 2 exercises + Tbar rows, all with good form. Form is everything.
like these guys already said, make sure your form is correct. and only lift a weight that you can handle; dont let the ego get in the way
[quote]Dont worry about what exercise you do, worry about the form of that exercise. As dparm said keep your form good and thats it. On my back day I do those 2 exercises + Tbar rows, all with good form. Form is everything.
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[quote]like these guys already said, make sure your form is correct. and only lift a weight that you can handle; dont let the ego get in the way[/quote]
both excellent advice!
let me add the caveat that form is sometimes a relative term, meaning, what may NOT look like good form may be fine for a certain person's body and this is a learning process about our body....
the learning process becomes more critical depending upon which bodypart you are working: the lower back is as critical as it gets, because an injury in this region could cancel ALL lifting!
to the OP: you are correct to be concerned about this matter, and continue to be cautious when training the lower back erectors....
I just did deadlifts and bent over barbell rows in the same workout, as always. I do SLDL on leg day, because I think that would be too much all in one workout.
btw im still a beginner and im on max-ot so i need to train balls to the wall
i dont wanna bust my back with so many exercises that stress the lower back
im considering getting a weight belt to stabilize my back on leg day
i probably should of started with rippetoes but its too late now cuz im hooked on max-ot
[QUOTE=gy1]Dont worry about what exercise you do, worry about the form of that exercise. As dparm said keep your form good and thats it. On my back day I do those 2 exercises + Tbar rows, all with good form. Form is everything.[/QUOTE]
i check my form on every single rep using a mirror
I prefer to have them on seperate days, though I am on a WSB hybrid routine so it's easier this way [no distinct bodypart day].
Even if I wasn't, I would rather be able to hit one hard. I've done it both ways, doing them apart turned out better for prs and mass, for me :)
Form is PARAMOUNT!
Been doing DL and BO Rows in same workout for the entirity of my workout career more or less.
poor form = back injury
Since I added deads back in, my back workout starts with deads followed by bent over rows. I think it is a great way to start things off.
Your lower back shouldn't really be noticing the rows as long as you form is halfway decent. The weight you are using will be distincly less than for deads so erector strength shouldn't be an issue; the only way to stress it would be form related.
[QUOTE=DuracellBunny]Your lower back shouldn't really be noticing the rows as long as you form is halfway decent. The weight you are using will be distincly less than for deads so erector strength shouldn't be an issue; the only way to stress it would be form related.[/QUOTE]That's how I see it. Most people are probably barbell rowing somewhere around 50-60% of what they deadlift so the lower back should be able to handle the load just fine.
not necessarily true from a physics standpoint, however. The stress in a row has a longer "lever arm" than with a deadlift, so lighter weight may actually = heavier weight.
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[QUOTE=sgtrobo]not necessarily true from a physics standpoint, however. The stress in a row has a longer "lever arm" than with a deadlift, so lighter weight may actually = heavier weight.
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Lets not go there on the physics front ;)
The erectors are in a isometric state and the load on them is handled completely differently than during deads where they are the prime movers. To be pedantic; the angular moment isn't as bad as you think it is, as the centre of gravity is further forward that you at first think due to your butt being moved backwards of the vertical and it isn't as simple as taking the moment around the hip.
Don't look sideways to check your form in a mirror. Doing that messes up your spinal orientation.
[QUOTE=sgtrobo]not necessarily true from a physics standpoint, however. The stress in a row has a longer "lever arm" than with a deadlift, so lighter weight may actually = heavier weight.
:)[/QUOTE]The bar might be a little further away from the body but I can't see 300lbs on a row imposing more stress on the lower back than a 500lb deadlift. I guess it's going to vary depending on where you row to, but to me it seems marginal. I can see how a GM for example would significantly increase the moment arm.
Obviously maintaining a near-parallel position on BB rows isn't going to suit everyone but I've never had a problem with it. I get a nice stretch of the hams much like an RDL and it feels quite comfortable. Zatsiorsky mentions in his book that beyond 45-60°, the load shifts from the erectors to the spinal ligaments so for someone who hasn't yet conditioned their lower back to heavy loads, heavy bent-over rows might create some problems and they should probably keep the angle to around 45°, or do Yates Rows, chest-supported rows, or seated cable rows.
[QUOTE=sgtrobo]not necessarily true from a physics standpoint, however. The stress in a row has a longer "lever arm" than with a deadlift, so lighter weight may actually = heavier weight.
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I'd agree with this. I've always found rows to be much more stressful on my lower back than deads. The weight is much further from your body with a row. As a result, I only row (a little above parallel) about 40% of what I deadlift.
Bad form + Bad form = Back Injury
[QUOTE=Frank_The_Tank]Don't look sideways to check your form in a mirror. Doing that messes up your spinal orientation.[/QUOTE]
ill keep that in mind
right now im suffering from this nagging groin pain that i get when doing atg squats + deads
maybe i just have a weak core