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has any one on here tried squatting according to that routine? 8 -12 sets and 5-20 reps? If anyone has , what % of weight of your max are you supposed to load on the bar on your first set for example if you add more and more on the next ones. When I did 20 rep squat routine for 6 weeks on the first week I used 75% of my max to start off. What do you guys think? 20 rep squats added 20kg to my max olympic back squat in 6 weeks so thats why im interested in trying his squat routine .
thnx
Unless you take heavy "supplements" leave that routine alone.
Smolov is proven to work and it's probably more effective than just ripping off 1 bodybuilder's leg routine.
[QUOTE=flexin007;429613501]Unless you take heavy "supplements" leave that routine alone.[/QUOTE]
please elaborate as to why he should "leave that routine alone"? unless taking heavy "supplements" .
I am also looking for alternative squat routines, should i also just forget about this routine? 20 rep squats will be my first choice, but i love to read all i can for future info and progress.
[QUOTE=flexin007;429613501]Unless you take heavy "supplements" leave that routine alone.[/QUOTE]
I dont take supplements, but I train twice a week so maybe I would have enough time to recover, might give it a try.
[QUOTE=ShutUpAndSquat;429614251]Smolov is proven to work and it's probably more effective than just ripping off 1 bodybuilder's leg routine.[/QUOTE]
Where can I read more about Smolov? thanx
[QUOTE=ulfhednar;429614991]Where can I read more about Smolov? thanx[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/80/[/url]
[url]http://www.joeskopec.com/smolov.html[/url]
That routine is bull****.
Tom Platz didn't do anything like that in his prime.
Tom squatted only twice every month on week 1 and 3 for 1 set of all out high reps, on weeks 2 and 4 he would do Hack squats and leg extensions.
[QUOTE]TP: Let?s take one month as an example. There are four weeks in a month. The first week and the third week I would do squats. And I would go into the gym on the first and the third week on a predetermined leg day, okay? And I would go in relying on my instincts really ? I mean, I wouldn?t go in to train with any specific weights, I would just do what felt right for that day. At one point that was, you know, 635 for 15 below-parallel reps. Other times it was 495 for 25 or even 30 reps. You know, I never counted reps ? my partners usually did.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2008/11/tom-platz-on-squatting.html[/url]
dude his legs were like that because of genetics, not some freaky bodybuilder type of routine, that is BS
^True. He would squat high reps maybe twice a month with 315 and everything else he did was like machine squats and leg extensions, lol.
[QUOTE=PearlSoap;429731551]dude his legs were like that because of genetics, not some freaky bodybuilder type of routine, that is BS[/QUOTE]
yea, his "genetics" and the venice scene in the 70s definitely helped his size.
[QUOTE=Deadlift_10KG;429733231]^True. He would squat high reps maybe twice a month with 315 and everything else he did was like machine squats and leg extensions, lol.[/QUOTE]
well it says 5-20 reps heh, so I guess you dont have to do high reps, could do like 5-10 or something, but ****ing hell, doing 8 - 12 sets even with those reps would be hard as ****
[QUOTE=ulfhednar;429801331]well it says 5-20 reps heh, so I guess you dont have to do high reps, could do like 5-10 or something, but ****ing hell, doing 8 - 12 sets even with those reps would be hard as ****[/QUOTE]
Yeah, dude. Over 5 reps on squats and I'm usually breathless. Platz has done 23 reps with 500lbs!
[QUOTE=PearlSoap;429731551]dude his legs were like that because of genetics, not some freaky bodybuilder type of routine, that is BS[/QUOTE]
Tom Platz had naturally skinny legs growing up and even when he did train legs they still were small.
[img]http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2549/attachmentri2.jpg[/img]
It was only when he lowered the volume and upped the intensity did his legs get huge.
[img]http://runkz.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/tom-platz.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=buddymander;429806671]Tom Platz had naturally skinny legs growing up and even when he did train legs they still were small.
[img]http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2549/attachmentri2.jpg[/img]
It was only when he lowered the volume and upped the intensity did his legs get huge.
[img]http://runkz.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/tom-platz.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
When's that first picture from? And he must be on dat dere celltech!
cell tech>herbalife
[QUOTE=TrettinR;429816981]When's that first picture from?[/QUOTE]
Not sure but its easy to see he was bodybuilding by then.
Before he started bodybuilding he did Olympic weightlifting and could squat 500 for reps and his legs where still small if you read the long interview about his training history of him i posted.
[QUOTE=buddymander;429717451]That routine is bull****.
Tom Platz didn't do anything like that in his prime.
Tom squatted only twice every month on week 1 and 3 for 1 set of all out high reps, on weeks 2 and 4 he would do Hack squats and leg extensions.
[url]http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2008/11/tom-platz-on-squatting.html[/url][/QUOTE]
"Here?s the way I set up my leg training. One day would be my heavy day in the squat. That heavy day would consist of anywhere from doubles, two reps, up to, say, six reps. Maybe as high as eight. Two to eight reps would be a heavy day; depending upon how I was structuring my training at that particular time ? whether I was peaking to handle heavy weights or just training prior to that point.
Then in my other squat workout for the week I would train for reps. On the rep day I would do two sets of reps only. I did that because it felt right at that time. It just felt right for me. In fact, the Olympic lifters had a similar program where they would lift various percentages on different days. And I followed suit according to their protocols and their training strategies.
On the rep day the reps would be somewhat higher, obviously. Usually between 15 and 20."
But he did this before he did the twice per month workout you mentioned. You need to get strong before you can just do an all out set every 2 weeks.
[QUOTE=AusLifter06;429858601]"Here?s the way I set up my leg training. One day would be my heavy day in the squat. That heavy day would consist of anywhere from doubles, two reps, up to, say, six reps. Maybe as high as eight. Two to eight reps would be a heavy day; depending upon how I was structuring my training at that particular time ? whether I was peaking to handle heavy weights or just training prior to that point.
Then in my other squat workout for the week I would train for reps. On the rep day I would do two sets of reps only. I did that because it felt right at that time. It just felt right for me. In fact, the Olympic lifters had a similar program where they would lift various percentages on different days. And I followed suit according to their protocols and their training strategies.
On the rep day the reps would be somewhat higher, obviously. Usually between 15 and 20."
But he did this before he did the twice per month workout you mentioned. You need to get strong before you can just do an all out set every 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you are contesting about what i said here.
I was talking about his training in his prime.
My post above yours explains that he got vary strong before he started squatting twice a month.
Why do you think someone would not be able to squat all out once every 2 weeks?
I would think a novice could do that every week because the weight would be to insignificant to effect the nervous system enough for them to have to wait 2 weeks to do it again.
The only reason he squatted only once every 2 weeks was because he could squat with a vary large amount of weight.
[QUOTE=buddymander;429881711]Not sure what you are contesting about what i said here.
I was talking about his training in his prime.
My post above yours explains that he got vary strong before he started squatting twice a month.
Why do you think someone would not be able to squat all out once every 2 weeks?
I would think a novice could do that every week because the weight would be to insignificant to effect the nervous system enough for them to have to wait 2 weeks to do it again.
The only reason he squatted only once every 2 weeks was because he could squat with a vary large amount of weight.[/QUOTE]
I was just clarifying that he got strong for years first before the all out set twice per month thing. So, the early days are basically his ticket to success, not the latter high rep stuff so much.
A novice obviously isn't going to get the sort of size/strength gains from just going into the high rep squatting without pushing the numbers up alot first.
[QUOTE=AusLifter06;429888621]I was just clarifying that he got strong for years first before the all out set twice per month thing. So, the early days are basically his ticket to success, not the latter high rep stuff so much.
A novice obviously isn't going to get the sort of size/strength gains from just going into the high rep squatting without pushing the numbers up alot first.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Hehe seems like everyone forgot about my question here, so do you think it could work, doing about 8 - 10 sets of squats with say 5 -10 reps? Like I said 20 reps squats gave me huge gains in size and strength so possible this could work too.
[QUOTE=buddymander;429806671]Tom Platz had naturally skinny legs growing up and even when he did train legs they still were small.
[img]http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2549/attachmentri2.jpg[/img]
It was only when he lowered the volume and upped the intensity did his legs get huge.
[img]http://runkz.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/tom-platz.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
lol the only reason his "legs got huge" was because of lowered volume. So if i lower my volume i'll add like 9 inches onto each of my legs?
[QUOTE=ulfhednar;430004931]Hehe seems like everyone forgot about my question here, so do you think it could work, doing about 8 - 10 sets of squats with say 5 -10 reps? Like I said 20 reps squats gave me huge gains in size and strength so possible this could work too.[/QUOTE]
considering you added ~45 pounds to your squat in 6 weeks with the 20 rep program, why don't you try it again?
[QUOTE=Blarnee_92;430045551]considering you added ~45 pounds to your squat in 6 weeks with the 20 rep program, why don't you try it again?[/QUOTE]
If its working then stick with it until it doesn't work anymore.
[QUOTE=Blarnee_92;430045551]considering you added ~45 pounds to your squat in 6 weeks with the 20 rep program, why don't you try it again?[/QUOTE]
Kinda want to take a longer break from it, it was a feckin torture but ill defenetly try it again in a month or two, it does work great, it actualy makes the whole body get overall bigger, my traps got bigger, shoulders, neck, 20 rep squats work like magic
[QUOTE=clorox_me;429736751]yea, his "genetics" and the venice scene in the 70s definitely helped his size.[/QUOTE]
you son of a b*tch....don't you know....he was ALL natural :D
[QUOTE=Blarnee_92;430045101]lol the only reason his "legs got huge" was because of lowered volume. So if i lower my volume i'll add like 9 inches onto each of my legs?[/QUOTE]
Not sure, high rep high intensity squats generally have a reputation as great leg builders, i think Platz was one of those rare breeds of people who even if you have them do just sprints there legs get vary big and they get vary strong fast.
Ive met people who never did squats but only trained sprints and they could squat 400lb believe it or not.
[QUOTE=ulfhednar;430004931]Hehe seems like everyone forgot about my question here, so do you think it could work, doing about 8 - 10 sets of squats with say 5 -10 reps? Like I said 20 reps squats gave me huge gains in size and strength so possible this could work too.[/QUOTE]
As long as you eat enough (and you will have to eat a lot with that type of routine) you will be fine.
Doesn't really seem worth it in my opinion.
Stick with low volume high reps high intensity.
Personally given the option between 1x20 and 10x10 i would go will the former
[QUOTE=buddymander;430201101]Not sure, high rep high intensity squats generally have a reputation as great leg builders, i think Platz was one of those rare breeds of people who even if you have them do just sprints there legs get vary big and they get vary strong fast.
Ive met people who never did squats but only trained sprints and they could squat 400lb believe it or not.
As long as you eat enough (and you will have to eat a lot with that type of routine) you will be fine.
Doesn't really seem worth it in my opinion.
Stick with low volume high reps high intensity.
Personally given the option between 1x20 and 10x10 i would go will the former[/QUOTE]
is it actually possible to do 1 set of 15 - 20 reps every week without exhausting yourself say after about a month or a month and a half? Well i suppose once a week maybe, but when I was doing 20 reps twice a week in the end my neck muscles were aching like **** all the time for some reason and i couldnt even do 15 reps properly.