Evolution of bodybuilding. Arnold vs Platz (both in their prime)

Obviously Arnold was the more celebrated bodybuilder and rightfully so, but do you guys think the change in the sport and the direction it was going was enough that a good but not dominant guy from.the 80s could beat the undoubted best guy from the 70s under the context of modern judging and its empasis on leg development?

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Still the best legs ive ever seen. Honestly. There may have been bigger but iv never seen better.

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Of course, the oak was packing some serious firepower of his own

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judging has always been done with mandatory poses which this thread lacks

it has always frustrated me that even bodybuilding fans are disproportionately willing to dismiss a bodybuilder for having incomplete upper-bodies but accept a bodybuilder that has an incomplete lower body.

i really think platz should have done better than his placings represented.

imagine arnolds upperbody with platz' legs

[QUOTE=lee4;1003393083]it has always frustrated me that even bodybuilding fans are disproportionately willing to dismiss a bodybuilder for having incomplete upper-bodies but accept a bodybuilder that has an incomplete lower body.

i really think platz should have done better than his placings represented.[/QUOTE]

Yeah we'll that's kinda what this represents. Obviously Arnold's upper body blows Toms away but if anything the gap between the qualities of there legs might be even more.

[QUOTE=FAN0FdaSport;1003391643]judging has always been done with mandatory poses which this thread lacks[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but it was tricky enough posting what I did on my phone.

[QUOTE=PEETcassidy;1003398093]Yeah we'll that's kinda what this represents. Obviously Arnold's upper body blows Toms away but if anything the gap between the qualities of there legs might be even more.[/QUOTE]

But the gap between Tom's upper half and lower half is greater than Arnold's upper and lower.

Anyway, Arnold beat Tom in 1980. Arnold was far from his prime.

Clearly legs are the big one but if you look at who is better proportioned then it goes to Arnold.

[QUOTE=flangmasterj;1003399073]But the gap between Tom's upper half and lower half is greater than Arnold's upper and lower.

Anyway, Arnold beat Tom in 1980. Arnold was far from his prime.[/QUOTE]

I see where your coming from, but to me Platz looks closer to the current crop of pro's. like I think a guy with his physique would have more of a chance than a guy with Arnold's of winning a pro card nowadays because legs are so important now. (Obv Arnold could get the legs if he trained now I'm talking the vintage versions we've seen on stage).

Arnold is my personal favourite btw, so I'm in no way trying to bring him down. Just wondering if the evolution in leg development in particular would place Platz above him on a [I]modern[/I] stage. I know Arnold already won in 80 and personally think he deserved it, but that wasn't Platz best year either and like the judges of those days I'm more inclined to the old school look with the smaller legs and extremely developed arms and chest. Again what I'm asking is, does Platz good but unspectacular upper body and amazing wheels bring him closer to the modern ideal?

[QUOTE=flangmasterj;1003399073]But the gap between Tom's upper half and lower half is greater than Arnold's upper and lower.

Anyway, Arnold beat Tom in 1980. Arnold was far from his prime.[/QUOTE]
Not a chance. Bigger gap with Arnold and those legs/upper body.
Arnold got a present in 1980 anyhow. Like Franco got the year after.

I DO respect Arnold for his look in the 70's although I believe Sergio was superior. But 1980 was not his year.

Arnold has no legs..

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[img]http://www.fisicoculturismo.org/fotos/albums/arnold-schwarzenegger/fotos_arnold_schwarzenegger_1302.jpg[/img]

[img]http://totallyalpha.com/wp-content/gallery/arnold-schwarzenegger-legs/arnold-squatting.jpg[/img]

lulz

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1003433253]Not a chance.[/QUOTE]

Well......there is. I wouldn't have said it if there wasn't.

[QUOTE=flangmasterj;1003435953]Well......there is. I wouldn't have said it if there wasn't.[/QUOTE]
I see.

Flang is correct. Tom's legs were too big for his upper body in his prime. (1984)

[img]http://www.tomplatz.com/graphics/1984_1.jpg[/img]

Arnold's legs in his prime were pretty big and looked good with his upper body. (1974)

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[QUOTE=ChrisMisc;1003443023]Flang is correct. Tom's legs were too big for his upper body in his prime. (1984)

[img]http://www.tomplatz.com/graphics/1984_1.jpg[/img]

Arnold's legs in his prime were pretty big and looked good with his upper body. (1974)

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The same could be said of say, ben p.


Btw, awesome Arnold pic.

Comparing two completely different bone structures. Non sensical argument. No amount of drugs or training could of transformed either of them into the other. It all comes down to taste. Both of them maxed out their potential with the tools they had. Arnold was six footish...Tom was 5 and a halfish...you can't objectively compare them.

Tom Platz imo was robbed out of first or second in his Olympia outings at least once. He did bring up his upper body in 80s.

Arnold in 74 is perfection and that package of mass, height, proportions, and symmetry has not been duplicated since.

its all about proportions and aesthetics. those legs don't even look good. Arnold's body is much more balanced

[QUOTE=Nuclear_Warrior;1003466353]Comparing two completely different bone structures. Non sensical argument. No amount of drugs or training could of transformed either of them into the other. It all comes down to taste. Both of them maxed out their potential with the tools they had. Arnold was six footish...Tom was 5 and a halfish...you can't objectively compare them.

Tom Platz imo was robbed out of first or second in his Olympia outings at least once. He did bring up his upper body in 80s.


Arnold in 74 is perfection and that package of mass, height, proportions, and symmetry has not been duplicated since.[/QUOTE]

Comparing 2 diff bone structures? They do it every Olympia...

[QUOTE=Ehudd;1003504093]Comparing 2 diff bone structures? They do it every Olympia...[/QUOTE]

yeah as far as i know the olympia judges both bodybuilding and skeletonbuilding

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1003434073]I DO respect Arnold for his look in the 70's although I believe Sergio was superior. But 1980 was not his year.[/QUOTE]

im surprised to hear you say this, you usually cant stop mentioning how arnie won that show hands down and pie

[QUOTE=FAN0FdaSport;1003509923]im surprised to hear you say this, you usually cant stop mentioning how arnie won that show hands down and pie[/QUOTE]
No idea what you just said?

Platz has better legs but calves their even. Arnie wins everything else and I mean everything. He would still win today because Platz had little to no back.

Excellent statement of obviousness. I said they cannot be judged against each other objectively.

I think a better non dom 80s vs. champion 70s would be Ron Love vs. Arnold or Platz vs. Well hell, I can't think of any dominant sshort champions other than Franco and 81 was a joke.

[QUOTE=FAN0FdaSport;1003506323]yeah as far as i know the olympia judges both bodybuilding and skeletonbuilding[/QUOTE]

Oh arnt you intelligent. Props to you man.

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1003433253]Not a chance. Bigger gap with Arnold and those legs/upper body.
Arnold got a present in 1980 anyhow. Like Franco got the year after.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that Tom's upper body was more proportionate to his lower than Arnold's lower was to his upper?

Coz if you are, you need to take a closer look. Or stop trolling. One or the other...

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1003433253]Not a chance. Bigger gap with Arnold and those legs/upper body.
Arnold got a present in 1980 anyhow. Like Franco got the year after.[/QUOTE]
man..not this same old argument again..you have checked out all the threads where they showed Arnold OWNING everyone in the lineup in 80 right?? HE OWNED them..like a pimp owns a ho..O..W..N..E..D..lol..MILES better in every way..

Upper body>lower body therefore Arnold>Platz, otherwise Branch or Ben P would win more contests.

[QUOTE=FAN0FdaSport;1003506323]yeah as far as i know the olympia judges both bodybuilding and skeletonbuilding[/QUOTE]

I hear Phils being doing skullcrushers in an attempt to bring up his cranium to match his ulna.

[QUOTE=DPNZ;1003613023]Are you saying that Tom's upper body was more proportionate to his lower than Arnold's lower was to his upper?

Coz if you are, you need to take a closer look. Or stop trolling. One or the other...[/QUOTE]
Actually I am stating that I would prefer to have bigger legs and a good upper body as opposed to poor legs and very upper body (minus delts).