UPDATES: Video of Iraq Vet Hit in Oakland Police Attack , Military Start OWS Support

"Dirty hippie protesters" wouldn't leave a downed veteran behind even when cops tried to scatter them. After fighting for Iraqi freedom Olsen comes back and finds he doesn't have his own right to peaceably assemble after all.


Additional video of 2 tour Iraq vet Scott Olsen being helped by crowd when police lob flash bang grenade right into their group. Olsen suffered a fractured skull and swelling of the brain. His condition has been upgraded from critical to fair. Eyewitness testimony by Jay Finneburgh at [url="http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2011/10/26/marine-veteran-wounded-in-oakland-police-assault%E2%80%94appalling-video/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=marine-veteran-wounded-in-oakland-police-assault%25e2%2580%2594appalling-video"] Veterans News Now:[/url] "This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. He went down hard and did not get up." In the video the crowd can be seen rushing to Olsen's aid and attempting to evacuate when police throw another stun grenade right into them. Despite the attack, protesters continue to evacuate Olsen under fire.

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[url="http://occupywallst.org/article/solidarity-oakland/"]Oakland PD Statement:[/url]

[quote]This is what the Oakland PD stated after the action

Q. Did the Police deploy rubber bullets, flash-bag grenades?

A. No, the loud noises that were heard originated from M-80 explosives thrown at Police by protesters. In addition, Police fired approximately four bean bag rounds at protesters to stop them from throwing dangerous objects at the officers.[/quote]

[url="http://occupywallst.org"]OccupyWallSt.org[/url] updates: [url="http://occupywallst.org/article/solidarity-oakland/"]"Solidarity with Oakland | Exposing Police Lies"[/url]

Protester hit by police projectile:
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Olsen being evacuated:
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Scott Olsen down:
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[b]OTHER UPDATES[/b]

At DailyKos blogger Roger Fox reports that military both active duty, reserve and retired are forming ******** groups in support of Occupy Wall Street, [url="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/24/1029667/-Occupy-Army,-Marines,-Air-Force,-Navy,-Police,-to-provide-OWS-Convoy-Escort?via=search"]"Occupy Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, Police, to provide OWS Convoy Escort":[/url]

[quote] Apparently spurred by the shoutdown delivered by [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9PVN1_tltQ"]Marine Veteran Sgt Shamar Thomas[/url] to NYPD officers in Times Square, more military Occupy groups have been started...Last night I reported on the organizing of OccupyMarines and Occupy_Police, with websites and twitter information. 24 hours later its clear that motivated by the Marine effort an Occupy Army ******** page was created, throwing a friendly jab at the [url="https://www.********.com/pages/OccupyARMY/163972943696817"]OccupyMarines:[/url]

[quote] Time for us to open our eyes. Time for us to get in this fight, we can't let our Marine brothers get all the glory. Our Marine brothers have started this so let's back them up![/quote]

The Occupy Navy ******** page says:

[quote]Occupy Navy is here to support the OccupyMarines effort....[/quote]

Ironically that mirrors the Navy's traditional role of transporting the Marines. Occupy Air Force jumps onboard:

[quote]We are just getting going in our support of Occupy Marines... Please share this page, Occupy Navy, Occupy Army, and of course, Occupy Marines if you haven't. We aren't going to start our own press, we are just trying to help unify the Armed Forces for a push... and the Marines, have taken the lead. We will support them![/quote][/quote]

[b]UPDATE:[/b] One of the Demands Now Being Debated [url="https://www.nycga.net/groups/demands/forum/topic/demand-to-get-the-money-out-of-politics"]at Official Site[/url] "Get the Money Out of Politics"

Synopsis from [url="http://warisacrime.org/content/demand-get-money-out-politics-one-demand-occupy-wall-street"]War is a Crime:[/url]
[quote]
Demand to Get the Money Out of Politics: A "One Demand" for Occupy Wall Street?

[i]Thank you for your bravery Occupy Oakland.[/i]

There is one problem with many of the excellent demands and proposals I have seen floated by those in the OWS movement, from re-instating Glass-Steagall, to ending the Federal Reserve, to enacting a jobs bill. That is, they have little chance of passing in effective form as long as Congress answers to the corporate powers which flood the system with money. If the incentives are skewed, the results will be skewed. Even if the demands are agreed to in principle, politicians beholden to money will constantly be busy finding ingenious and enterprising ways to undermine the intent of the laws.

One of the little-known and most startling facts of American politics is that, on average, 80% of congressional campaign contributions come from outside the district, and largely from outside the state. Citizens should only be allowed to give money to candidates who would represent them in Congress. Giving money to one who would not should be considered bribery. Citizens who would not be represented by a particular candidate have no business giving money which dilutes the influence of citizens in other districts on their own congressmen.

The legal definition of "bribery" is: "The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties."

When I give my local candidate for office $20 for no particular reason except that I believe her or him to be honest, dedicated, and generally supportive of many different issues which make up the sum total of my politics, I have no particular piece of legislation in mind. By no stretch of imagination can the same be said when the financial services industry or the telecommunications industry bundles vast amounts of money to go toward members of committees which design particular legislation they are interested in, who represent districts far away. In the first case my political contribution is a result of my belief in the general integrity of the person whom I hope will directly represent me in Congress, who I may even disagree with on many things, but support him or her for no other reason than I believe her to be an honest person. In the second case, a corporation's, industry's or special interests' monetary contribtions to candidates have been shown over and over to generate tangible monetary returns: bailouts, further contracting for wars. This meets the legal definition of bribery.

The US Supreme Court not only erred, but twisted the meaning of language in Buckely v. Valeo to the point where it should have been impeachable as "bad behavior," the standard for Supreme Court impeachment which is as open as "high crimes and misdemeanors" on the part of the president. Just as with the impeachment of a president, the impeachment of Supreme Court Justices was deliberately meant to be a political remedy not requiring the commission of a crime. Although spending money may indeed be an act of self-expression, my right to express myself when attempting to give an officer the many reasons why he should not give me a speeding ticket does not extend to me handing over a 100 dollar bill. It is inconceivable that the Founders, in protecting free speech, intended speech to be so interpreted.

Congress may pass laws which will force the Supreme Court to revisit Buckely v. Valeo, which equates giving unlimited amounts of money to any and all political candidates to "free speech."

I propose getting the money out of politics by setting a limit on campaign contributions to $2,000, per cycle, to come only from private individuals who are living within the district. No corporate contributions from within or outside the district, no contributions from special interests of any kind, be they union, NRA, or corporate PACs. Only people who can actually vote for a particular candidate can give money to him....MORE
[url]http://warisacrime.org/content/demand-get-money-out-politics-one-demand-occupy-wall-street[/url]

[/quote]

[url="http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009"]Occupy Wall Street Proposed Demands (unofficial, straw poll at Coup Media)[/url]

[url="http://coupmedia.org/occupy-wall-street/barack-o-bailout-feels-occupy-wall-street-protesters-pain-1410"]Barack O'bailout Feels Occupy Wall Street Protesters' Pain[/url]

under fire? the police were firing their weapons at them? how many were killed?

here's a tip, if the police are launching gas at you, leave.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772537903]under fire? the police were firing their weapons at them? how many were killed?

here's a tip, if the police are launching gas at you, leave.[/QUOTE]

Here's a tip: shut up.

I notice it's only republicans that are ok with this. They hate the government...until they love it because it's being used to oppress "dirty hippies."

[QUOTE=Beeewbs;772540823]Here's a tip: shut up.

I notice it's only republicans that are ok with this. They hate the government...until they love it because it's being used to oppress "dirty hippies."[/QUOTE]

"shut up"

strong argument. also, im not a republican.

So, you are a police officer and you see a guy laying in the street not moving. People converge checking to see if he is ok. The only sensible thing is to throw another grenade at them!

[QUOTE=Beeewbs;772540823]Here's a tip: shut up.

I notice it's only republicans that are ok with this. They hate the government...until they love it because it's being used to oppress "dirty hippies."[/QUOTE]

Jakes on you. I'm a republican and I think it's bull****. Generalizations make an ass out of you and me. Well, just you actually.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772537903]under fire? the police were firing their weapons at them? how many were killed?

here's a tip, if the police are launching gas at you, leave.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that cop throwing a flash grenade at a group of non-violent people helping a severely wounded man was totally justified, amirite? Combating police brutality should be a bipartisan issue, not something you tacitly support because the police are gassing people who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772537903]under fire? the police were firing their weapons at them? how many were killed?

here's a tip, if the police are launching gas at you, leave.[/QUOTE]

Yea those rubber bullets don't do any damage, just fractured the guys' skull. I'm sure you would have run and left him there. ****ghot.

[QUOTE=Kumquatv1;772545203]So, you are a police officer and you see a guy laying in the street not moving. People converge checking to see if he is ok. The only sensible thing is to throw another grenade at them![/QUOTE]

from the video, it seems that the concussion grenade did not come from the front row of officers. perhaps the officer that tossed it didnt see the downed protester, all he saw was a large group of people.

[QUOTE=voodoo101;772546043]Yea those rubber bullets don't do any damage, just fractured the guys' skull. I'm sure you would have run.[/QUOTE]

they werent firing rubber bullets, some were firing beanbags. however, he got hit in the head with a teargas canister.

sh*t man you dont even know the facts about the story you posted.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772546103]from the video, it seems that the concussion grenade did not come from the front row of officers. perhaps the officer that tossed it didnt see the downed protester, all he saw was a large group of people.[/QUOTE]

From the video it seems a front row cop ducked back, I am guessing to get a proper arc and let fly.

Looking at it again you can see the guy is in the front row. He takes a step back and lofts the grenade into the group of people. Deliberate and uncalled for.

[QUOTE=Kumquatv1;772548703]Looking at it again you can see the guy is in the front row. He takes a step back and lofts the grenade into the group of people. Deliberate and uncalled for.[/QUOTE]

a big step back to toss an 8 ounce piece of metal at a group of people 10 feet away?

i see a guy take a step back, but i dont see the nade tossed by him. you just see it fly out of the group.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772549463]a big step back to toss an 8 ounce piece of metal at a group of people 10 feet away?[/QUOTE]

The metal gate would have interfered with his lob motion if he stayed where he was. Watch it carefully and you can see it.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772542303]"shut up"

strong argument. also, im not a republican.[/QUOTE]

Sure you aren't.

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[QUOTE=lasher;772545503]Jakes on you. I'm a republican and I think it's bull****. Generalizations make an ass out of you and me. Well, just you actually.[/QUOTE]

I never said all republicans, but every person I've seen that's ok with this is right leaning.

[QUOTE=Kumquatv1;772550163]The metal gate would have interfered with his lob motion if he stayed where he was. Watch it carefully and you can see it.[/QUOTE]

seriously, is the gate taller than armpit level? because you dont need to get a "proper arc" when tossing a concussion nade. they roll.

[QUOTE=Beeewbs;772550533]Sure you aren't.


I never said all republicans, but every person I've seen that's ok with this is right leaning.[/QUOTE]

im not.

perhaps that's because of the method these people are using to protest.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772551753]im not.

perhaps that's because of the method these people are using to protest.[/QUOTE]

If he tried to toss it without taking a step back it would have smacked the gate. The officer may be a dick head but he was taking proper precautions to make sure nothing went wrong with his lob.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772537903]under fire? the police were firing their weapons at them? how many were killed?

here's a tip, if the police are launching gas at you, leave.[/QUOTE]

yeah man, i mean look at history!! obviously if you want change, the thing to do is to follow every law and listen to the police.

i mean the civil rights movement succeed without any violent acts by police officers because the protesters were smart and moved when they were told.

these guys get everything they deserve










not fuccking srs

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772551043]seriously, is the gate taller than armpit level? because you dont need to get a "proper arc" when tossing a concussion nade. they roll.[/QUOTE]

I imagine if you were trying to get the flash bang into the middle of that crowd you would throw it not try to roll it in.
Even if it did come from an officer in the "back" it appears that all the officers there should have had a decent view. They have a row of fellow officers in front of them, it's not like they were trying to get a peak through the moshpit at a Slayer concert.

Uncalled for no matter how you look at it.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772549463]a big step back to toss an 8 ounce piece of metal at a group of people 10 feet away?

i see a guy take a step back, but i dont see the nade tossed by him. you just see it fly out of the group.[/QUOTE]

Who cares? It didn't magically appear. Obviously, a cop through it at them. Do you actually think it's justified to toss tear gas at people trying to help a person who is dying? What kind of psycho are you?

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772551753]im not.[/quote]

Really? Who'd you vote for president in the last few elections? You're at least right leaning.

[quote]
perhaps that's because of the method these people are using to protest.[/QUOTE]

What, you mean because they aren't carrying weapons and screaming about their tax dollars going to poor people?

[QUOTE=polarbro;772552953]yeah man, i mean look at history!! obviously if you want change, the thing to do is to follow every law and listen to the police.

i mean the civil rights movement succeed without any violent acts by police officers because the protesters were smart and moved when they were told.

these guys get everything they deserve










not fuccking srs[/QUOTE]

yeah, the civil rights movement is the same as the OWS movement right?

[QUOTE=Beeewbs;772553723]Who cares? It didn't magically appear. Obviously, a cop through it at them. Do you actually think it's justified to toss tear gas at people trying to help a person who is dying? What kind of psycho are you? [/quote]

i know a cop threw it at them. that's what i said.

i also said that perhaps the cop that tossed THE CONCUSSION GRENADE (not tear gas) couldnt see the downed protester. strong personal attack. calm down bro.



[quote]Really? Who'd you vote for president in the last few elections? You're at least right leaning. [/quote]

not that it has anything to do with this thread, but i voted for bob barr in the 2008 election, and i didnt vote in the 2004 election.



[quote]What, you mean because they aren't carrying weapons and screaming about their tax dollars going to poor people?[/QUOTE]

no, because they are camping out for weeks/months, leaving garbage, causing sanitation issues, throwing things at police, not leaving when being asked to leave by the police, etc.

"Dirty hippie protesters" wouldn't leave a downed veteran behind even when cops tried to scatter them. Proud to be American, and nothing but American.

welp. this completely changes my mind on the whole take-parks-hostage movement. someone gets injured so i must therefore support occupy.

[QUOTE=Hagakure24;772571043]welp. this completely changes my mind on the whole take-parks-hostage movement. someone gets injured so i must therefore support occupy.[/QUOTE]

Ah the dual American-Israeli arrives.

[QUOTE=voodoo101;772572403]Ah the dual American-Israeli arrives.[/QUOTE]

lolwut?

edit: no wait brah. you got me wrong. i am really emotionally connected to the plight of the oppressed occupiers. my heart yearns for peace and for the corporate-sponsored terror-police to cease its corrupt existence. my soul fights to dissolve corporations and their payoffs to law enforcement officials in the effort to shoot live rounds at innocent protestors so as to to censor their ability to speak freely at parks around the country. and my vagina squeals for victory against republicans, the koch brothers, and jews in general. but especially the koch brothers.


















not srs.

[QUOTE=otisthebat;772546103]from the video, it seems that the concussion grenade did not come from the front row of officers. perhaps the officer that tossed it didnt see the downed protester, all he saw was a large group of people.[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=Hagakure24;772575443]lolwut?

edit: no wait brah. you got me wrong. i am really emotionally connected to the plight of the oppressed occupiers. my heart yearns for peace and for the corporate-sponsored terror-police to cease its corrupt existence. my soul fights to dissolve corporations and their payoffs to law enforcement officials in the effort to shoot live rounds at innocent protestors so as to to censor their ability to speak freely at parks around the country. and my vagina squeals for victory against republicans, the koch brothers, and jews in general. but especially the koch brothers.


















not srs.[/QUOTE]


hahahaha bro you forgot to mention the part where someone asked you to change your opinion.

[QUOTE=SoggyDoughnut;772580823]...[/QUOTE]

Sgt. Shamar Thomas said: 'in Iraq we'd have rocks thrown at us by the crowd but we still wouldn't start beating heads, we were supposed to be above that' (paraphrasing).

Point is fully armed phalanx of cops were in no way threatened, cops in front saw everything and weren't even moving to help the guy. This is criminal charges up and down. After fighting for Iraqi freedom Olsen comes back and finds he doesn't have his right to assemble after all.

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