Keto uses fat as energy so you lose fat, but what if you eat more then what you need? I need 2,500 calories a day. I'm overweight, If I go on a 4:1 Keto Diet on 3,500 calories, would I still lose fat? Would I gain muscle too?
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Keto uses fat as energy so you lose fat, but what if you eat more then what you need? I need 2,500 calories a day. I'm overweight, If I go on a 4:1 Keto Diet on 3,500 calories, would I still lose fat? Would I gain muscle too?
If you eat 1,000 calories over maintainence, no matter where the calories are coming from (keto or not), you're going to gain weight, and unfortunately, the majority is going to be fat. It IS possible but VERY difficult to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, but it can be done with rigorous training and eating at approximately maintenance. If you are overweight, I would suggest training while eating 200-300 below maintenance to maintain about half a pound a week of weight loss. Good luck :)
I started with way too high cals for the first few weeks, and my strength either declined or stayed the same.
Around the 3rd week of keto I started putting a lot more thought into it, and currently eat just a little under what I burn calorie wise - and I am consistently hitting at least one PR per workout. I don't monitor my weight, but I am getting leaner and getting stronger at the same time. People say it's not possible and I'd like to agree with science, but so far I have found the results to be otherwise with some careful thought and planning.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=thegymbum;542547363]If you eat 1,000 calories over maintainence, [b]no matter where the calories are coming from (keto or not), you're going to gain weight, and unfortunately, the majority is going to be fat. [/b] It IS possible but VERY difficult to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, but it can be done with rigorous training and eating at approximately maintenance. If you are overweight, I would suggest training while eating 200-300 below maintenance to maintain about half a pound a week of weight loss. Good luck :)[/QUOTE]
in bold - so not true at all ..
Train hard every single day and eat 2-300 calories below maintenance. Make sure you're getting a lot of protein and (approximately 1gram per lbs of body weight) and then the rest of your calories should be from fat. you won't lose weight as fast as you want, but you will be gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. It will be frustrating since you won't see results at first, but just stick to it.
I recommend just keto to hit a target weight and then doing a slow bulk. Its more fun, more proven, and you're setting yourself up to get the body you want without having to worry about bull**** like losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time. Just my 2 cents. Either way it's all about patience and dedication.
[QUOTE=johnPNY;542653823]I don't monitor my weight, but I am getting leaner and getting stronger at the same time. People say it's not possible and I'd like to agree with science, but so far I have found the results to be otherwise[/QUOTE]
It is possible to gain muscle & burn fat at the same time - but you need to hit just the right combination of diet, exercise & hormonal factors, and it doesn't last for long.
I recently started training again after a layoff of a couple of years, and for the first month or two I got much leaner & stronger without my scale weight changing at all.
That particular "sweet spot" is possible, but very hard to find. It would take a lot of trial and error.....wash rinse repeat.
[QUOTE=MrLovrLovr;543910093]in bold - so not true at all ..[/QUOTE]
It is in fact true. Anything that includes even a calorie can and will be converted to fat if over maintenance.
[QUOTE=KillDowzer;544244463]It is in fact true. Anything that includes even a calorie can and will be converted to fat if over maintenance.[/QUOTE]
Why would the "[B]majority is going to be fat[/B]" be true?
[QUOTE=thegymbum;542547363]If you eat 1,000 calories over maintainence, no matter where the calories are coming from (keto or not), you're going to gain weight, and unfortunately, the majority is going to be fat. [/QUOTE]
yes and no.. you will gain weight.. not all will be fat.. may people have bulked on keto... usually most is muscle with some fat gain
[QUOTE=Brianterz;544271183]yes and no.. you will gain weight.. not all will be fat.. may people have bulked on keto... usually most is muscle with some fat gain[/QUOTE]
The problem is in how FAST youre buking. If you bulk slowly, by doing, say, 250 calories over maintenance an gaining half a pound a week, you can easily gain mostly muscle. But if you're going 1,000 over maintenance, youre going to gain 2lbs a week, and the max rate of muscle growth is about .5lbs of muscle per week. That means at least 3/4 is going to be fat.
[QUOTE=thegymbum;544277153]The problem is in how FAST youre buking. If you bulk slowly, by doing, say, 250 calories over maintenance an gaining half a pound a week, you can easily gain mostly muscle. But if you're going 1,000 over maintenance, youre going to gain 2lbs a week, and the max rate of muscle growth is about .5lbs of muscle per week. That means at least 3/4 is going to be fat.[/QUOTE]
In theory your right.. but plenty of people have bulked at say 4500 calories and gained a few pounds of fat with a few pounds of muscle.. it would also depend on your workouts and how much stress you put on them...its usually a combination of the two not mostly fat gain
[QUOTE=Brianterz;544328753]In theory your right.. but plenty of people have bulked at say 4500 calories and gained a few pounds of fat with a few pounds of muscle.. it would also depend on your workouts and how much stress you put on them...its usually a combination of the two not mostly fat gain[/QUOTE]
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Right, my last bulk was 12 lbs and my fat% didn't change.
[QUOTE=Atavis;544248633]Why would the "[B]majority is going to be fat[/B]" be true?[/QUOTE]
as a natty u can only gain about 5solid pounds a year. so if u bulk up 11pounds in a year that leaves mostly fat gain. but most people add around 20-30 in a bulk. unless u have freakish genetics. and if u did have freakish genetics you wouldny be doing a ketogenic diet. u would be having fun loading up on carbs everyday.
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Right, my last bulk was 12 lbs and my fat% didn't change.[/QUOTE]
That's bullshyt, you have a 38 inch waist you're already such a high bodyfat that you prob didn't even realize you gained fat.... You didn't gain 12 solid lbs of muscle.
[QUOTE=AnabolicFyre;544503353]That's bullshyt, you have a 38 inch waist you're already such a high bodyfat that you prob didn't even realize you gained fat.... You didn't gain 12 solid lbs of muscle.[/QUOTE]
HAD a 38" waist. Of course I gained fat and not 12 lbs of muscle. I said as much given that a 12 lb gain in muscle would be a significant decrease in body fat% by total weight. My body fat% did not change, i.e. I gained fat along with the lean mass.
What did not happen though was that I did not gain 3/4 of the weight in fat. Some gains in lean mass, plenty of sarcoplasm, and some fat gain.
[QUOTE=TheHeirApparent;544422113]as a natty u can only gain about 5solid pounds a year. so if u bulk up 11pounds in a year that leaves mostly fat gain. but most people add around 20-30 in a bulk. unless u have freakish genetics. and if u did have freakish genetics you wouldny be doing a ketogenic diet. u would be having fun loading up on carbs everyday.[/QUOTE]
That's complete BS... 5 pounds of muscle a year? U really believe that? lol
[QUOTE=Brianterz;544328753]In theory your right.. but plenty of people have bulked at say 4500 calories and gained a few pounds of fat with a few pounds of muscle.. it would also depend on your workouts and how much stress you put on them...its usually a combination of the two not mostly fat gain[/QUOTE]
basically this.
[QUOTE=TheHeirApparent;544422113]as a natty u can only gain about 5solid pounds a year. so if u bulk up 11pounds in a year that leaves mostly fat gain. but most people add around 20-30 in a bulk. unless u have freakish genetics. and if u did have freakish genetics you wouldny be doing a ketogenic diet. u would be having fun loading up on carbs everyday.[/QUOTE]
This is completely false.
[QUOTE=¡STFU!ˇNˆLIFT!;543910093]in bold - so not true at all ..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AnabolicFyre;544503353]That's bullshyt[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Davy19;544569113]That's complete BS... 5 pounds of muscle a year? U really believe that? lol[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bbrock293;654399413]This is completely false.[/QUOTE]
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