Do pre workout supplements really make a difference?

I was wondering whether its worth buying a pre workout supplement like jack3d. So far iv been having two tea spoons of coffee in a cup of hot water and it gives me a rage in the gym. will taking these pre workout supplements give me any gains or should i stay away from them? Also my workouts arent really affected if i dont have the black coffee. So Jack3d. Yes or No?

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Yes they do. But diet and nutrition over everything for gains

Yes, yes and yes. The pre workout I have been taking has improved my lifts, increased power, decreased muscle fatigue so I can go for a few more reps, bigger pump. I noticed the difference one of the days I actually ran out and went to the gym without it. I couldn't lift no where as much as I could if I didn't take one

[QUOTE=BlueRev;1073996251]Yes they do. But diet and nutrition over everything for gains[/QUOTE]

THIS!

Nutrient is the main key. But PWO has helped me a lot such as Hemavol.
nom stim PWO giving me amazing pumps,strengh,endurance,recovery/size.
It can help with nutrient transport and thats amazing.

[QUOTE=Axe7;1073965641]I was wondering whether its worth buying a pre workout supplement like jack3d. So far iv been having two tea spoons of coffee in a cup of hot water and it gives me a rage in the gym. will taking these pre workout supplements give me any gains or should i stay away from them? Also my workouts arent really affected if i dont have the black coffee. So Jack3d. Yes or No?[/QUOTE]

They do make a difference, but if you can have productive sessions most of the time, you are better off without them. They can get expensive. Caffeine is usually a main ingredient, but there are other performance enhancing things in them.

When I never took pre workouts I felt sh*t and a pussey in the gym, now I feel pumped and feel like I could lift intensively for hours!!!! Could never lift again without pre workout, wouldn't say it dramatically increased the amount of weight I could lift but pre workout such as jack3d, animal pump/rage, white flood or shock therapy deffinately increased pump, energy and focus in the gym!!!!

Indirectly they will lead to gains. Allowing you to train harder, but in all reality, you should be able to train hard without them.

but they will not puts crazy amounts of muscle on you that is for sure. That is all diet

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OP: Try 3 cups of coffee. Pre-Workouts in general are just caffeine with cheap fillers and flavoring. There are a couple of better ones that are slightly better than having 3 cups of coffee (Craze).

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OP: Try 3 cups of coffee. Pre-Workouts in general are just caffeine with cheap fillers and flavoring. There are a couple of better ones that are slightly better than having 3 cups of coffee (Craze).[/QUOTE]


just caff and cheap fillers? You must not know much about creatine, agmatine, beta alanine, COP....

Grab some samples and test it out for about a week.

[QUOTE=GreekGod000;1074064161]Grab some samples and test it out for about a week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Axe7;1073965641]I was wondering whether its worth buying a pre workout supplement like jack3d. So far iv been having two tea spoons of coffee in a cup of hot water and it gives me a rage in the gym. will taking these pre workout supplements give me any gains or should i stay away from them? Also my workouts arent really affected if i dont have the black coffee. So Jack3d. Yes or No?[/QUOTE]

You can grab some samples from the link in my signature.

They will heighten mood and energy but won't be the reason you make gains

Send me a PM and we can hook you up with some superpump MAX samples!

[QUOTE=BlueRev;1073996251]Yes they do. But diet and nutrition over everything for gains[/QUOTE]

He is right. You can use all the supps you want , but without a proper diet you won't make good gains. Eat like crap get crappy results.

If coffee is giving you a rage I would stick to that. Much cheaper, and I'd rather have coffee than a fruity drink pre-WO :D. I enjoy trying to mimic the energy I get from pre-WO's without taking a pre; becoming dependent on them is no bueno.

PWO are mainly just an energy boost. More energy means lift more in the gym which means more muscle being built. If your energy level isn't an issue in the gym then it may not be worth the money. I would not be able to make the gains I do without a PWO, I work 11 hours days 6 days a week, there is absolutely no way I would have the energy to have a productive workout after these long days at work. Good luck

I try not to rely on them too much.

[QUOTE=DoddsGainzz;1074049681]When I never took pre workouts I felt sh*t and a pussey in the gym, now I feel pumped and feel like I could lift intensively for hours!!!! Could never lift again without pre workout, wouldn't say it dramatically increased the amount of weight I could lift but pre workout such as jack3d, animal pump/rage, white flood or shock therapy deffinately increased pump, energy and focus in the gym!!!![/QUOTE]

So basically you're dependent on them now? Cause im just 19 and i dont really feel the need for extra energy. Missing the coffee doesnt really make much of a difference either. But based on everyones replies im gonna try some samples to see how it feels.. does anyone think i should wait till 21 or that I dont really need pre workout?

Yes, they can be beneficial. Like many stated above, they may indirectly improve strength due to their ability to increase energy and focus. Plus, many have creatine such as [url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergogenix/ergopump.html][b]ErgoPump[/b][/url] which will also assist in strength and building muscles...as well as give you some nice pumps in and out of the gym :)
But, overall, best thing would be to rely on your nutrition for serious mass building.