[QUOTE=stussy;330143241]no I wasn't kiddin inform me please[/QUOTE]
ahhhh sorry, i guess it is kind of hard to see but if you look about half way through ingredients on the new label you'll see "stenbolone" which is what made the originals money.
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[QUOTE=stussy;330143241]no I wasn't kiddin inform me please[/QUOTE]
ahhhh sorry, i guess it is kind of hard to see but if you look about half way through ingredients on the new label you'll see "stenbolone" which is what made the originals money.
[QUOTE=joshweights;329762671]omg.. this would be #1 seller.[/QUOTE]
someone has to be able to get the raws to do this...
[QUOTE=joshweights;330250231]someone has to be able to get the raws to do this...[/QUOTE]
the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.
[QUOTE=thauncle;330255021]the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.[/QUOTE]
i kno cel has the power to do it!!!
so which would be better?
1-t-tren with mass tabs
1-t-tren with grow tabs
1-t-tren with 11-oxo?
What kinds of gains could I expect from mass tabs? I am looking to cut with building some lean muscle but cutting is the mAin goal. I do not like epistane very much either.
[QUOTE=stussy;330447621]so which would be better?
1-t-tren with mass tabs
1-t-tren with grow tabs
1-t-tren with 11-oxo?
What kinds of gains could I expect from mass tabs? I am looking to cut with building some lean muscle but cutting is the mAin goal. I do not like epistane very much either.[/QUOTE]
1-t with mass tabs sounds like fun to me.. 1-t tren and mass tabs is a lil much i think.
[QUOTE=stussy;330447621]so which would be better?
1-t-tren with mass tabs
1-t-tren with grow tabs
1-t-tren with 11-oxo?
What kinds of gains could I expect from mass tabs? I am looking to cut with building some lean muscle but cutting is the mAin goal. I do not like epistane very much either.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you're asking this question leads me to assume that you're not experienced enough to be using none of the above.
[QUOTE=joshweights;330250231]someone has to be able to get the raws to do this...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thauncle;330255021]the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.[/QUOTE]
Yes, a clone of MethylSten would be a #1 seller, but.. what's MethylSten?
I thought MethylSten was 1-ene SD, but I've read in previous post in this thread that this can't be, becouse its imposible to have a 1-ene in a 2a-methyl (SD is 2a,17a-dimethyl, so it can't have a 1-ene)
So, what's MethylSten?
[QUOTE=JBerto;330540351]Yes, a clone of MethylSten would be a #1 seller, but.. what's MethylSten?
I thought MethylSten was 1-ene SD, but I've read in previous post in this thread that this can't be, becouse its imposible to have a 1-ene in a 2a-methyl (SD is 2a,17a-dimethyl, so it can't have a 1-ene)
So, what's MethylSten?[/QUOTE]
does ids have the smartest chemist in the industry or what??? Someones gotta be able to clone this!
[QUOTE=JBerto;330540351]Yes, a clone of MethylSten would be a #1 seller, but.. what's MethylSten?
I thought MethylSten was 1-ene SD, but I've read in previous post in this thread that this can't be, becouse its imposible to have a 1-ene in a 2a-methyl (SD is 2a,17a-dimethyl, so it can't have a 1-ene)
So, what's MethylSten?[/QUOTE]
You can't have stereochemistry at the 2-position; therefore calling it 2a-methyl is incorrect. Methyl sten is the 1-ene derivative of SD, so the proper name for you bros would be 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-5a-androstan-3-one. Or 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-etiocholan-3-one. Those letters next to the numbers a or b indicates alpha or beta respectively; alpha means that the group is pointing away from the plane of the main structure in a 2D drawing and beta means that the group is pointing towards you from the plane. If there's an alkene anywhere present, the two carbons which form the alkene become flat due to the hybridization of bonds thus making it impossible to point away or toward you (hence the reason for no such thing as 1-ene-2a-methyl or 1-ene-2b-methyl). It is just flat, making it simply 2-methyl.
[QUOTE=Beejis60;330706711]You can't have stereochemistry at the 2-position; therefore calling it 2a-methyl is incorrect. [b]Methyl sten is the 1-ene derivative of SD, so the proper name for you bros would be 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-5a-androstan-3-one[/b]. Or 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-etiocholan-3-one. Those letters next to the numbers a or b indicates alpha or beta respectively; alpha means that the group is pointing away from the plane of the main structure in a 2D drawing and beta means that the group is pointing towards you from the plane. If there's an alkene anywhere present, the two carbons which form the alkene become flat due to the hybridization of bonds thus making it impossible to point away or toward you (hence the reason for no such thing as 1-ene-2a-methyl or 1-ene-2b-methyl). It is just flat, making it simply 2-methyl.[/QUOTE]
OK, thanks for the explanation!
[QUOTE=thauncle;330255021]the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.[/QUOTE]
how do you know the raws aren't hard to find? Just my guess that if they were so easy alot more companies would be on this like they are SD clones....
[QUOTE=Iron_And_sweat;330717011]how do you know the raws aren't hard to find? Just my guess that if they were so easy alot more companies would be on this like they are SD clones....[/QUOTE]
There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.
[QUOTE=thauncle;330719351]There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.[/QUOTE]
So you're basically talking out of your ass??
[QUOTE=thauncle;330719351][b]There's a few suppliers[/b] out of the states that make it my guess is [b]since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely[/b] is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.[/QUOTE]
so if it is not known 100% what is in it.... how can you know where to source it or what to even look for?
Are you sure there are multiple sources etc or do you really even have a clue?
[QUOTE=Iron_And_sweat;330723691]so if it is not known 100% what is in it.... how can you know where to source it or what to even look for?
Are you sure there are multiple sources etc or do you really even have a clue?[/QUOTE]
I at one time during this thread was thinking about buying some for use sometime next year so I did some Google,yahoo etc search work back when this thread started up to see if there was anything on this compound that would reveal what it really is by finding the info in another forum somewhere on the net on a page or study or etc and didn't find anything but i happen to fall onto a few supplier websites.when i say no one knows whats in it i mean who knows if its just pure product or if the supplier or ids is spiking it,maybe the supplier is spiking it or maybe ids has a chemist adding something extra who knows what the mystery item Beejis60 couldn't make out is.
[QUOTE=thauncle;330719351]There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.[/QUOTE]
mmm hmmm....
[QUOTE=thauncle;330726431]I at one time during this thread was thinking about buying some for use sometime next year so I did some Google,yahoo etc search work back when this thread started up to see if there was anything on this compound that would reveal what it really is by finding the info in another forum somewhere on the net on a page or study or etc and didn't find anything [b]but i happen to fall onto a few supplier websites.[/b]when i say no one knows whats in it i mean who knows if its just pure product or if the supplier or ids is spiking it,maybe the supplier is spiking it or maybe ids has a chemist adding something extra who knows what the mystery item Beejis60 couldn't make out is.[/QUOTE]
which one was that? [url]www.methylstenraws.com[/url] ??
[QUOTE=B_Musha;330723451]So you're basically talking out of your ass??[/QUOTE]
^^^^^this
[QUOTE=thauncle;330719351]There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it [b]my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it[/b].any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we don't know what's exactly in Mass Tabs, but i think we are talking about cloning MethylSten, not Mass Tabs, and we know what is MethylSten (Beejis explained that: MethylSten is 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-5a-androstan-3-one -> 1-ene SD)
[QUOTE=thauncle;330719351]There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really[/QUOTE]
There is a pharma company in Pittsburgh that sells methyl sten and two or three others in China.
[quote=beejis60;330824871]there is a pharma company in pittsburgh that sells methyl sten and two or three others in china.[/quote]
"beejis juice" ftw :D
[QUOTE=B_Musha;330872321]"beejis juice" ftw :D[/QUOTE]
I have my own beejis juice and it sure isn't this ****.
[QUOTE=Beejis60;330890771]I have my own beejis juice and it sure isn't this ****.[/QUOTE]
haha "dont hide it, divide it" brutha
[QUOTE=B_Musha;330902141]haha "dont hide it, divide it" brutha[/QUOTE]
Ummm, if he's talking about what I think he is you may want to avoid the beejuice. But hey, I'm an open minded guy, if that's your thing then go for it. High in proteinz.
[QUOTE=PBateman;330909921]Ummm, if he's talking about what I think he is you may want to avoid the beejuice. But hey, I'm an open minded guy, if that's your thing then go for it. High in proteinz.[/QUOTE]
oh you are a very sick distorted person lol
[QUOTE=PBateman;330909921]Ummm, if he's talking about what I think he is you may want to avoid the beejuice. But hey, I'm an open minded guy, if that's your thing then go for it. High in proteinz.[/QUOTE]
Lol, I wasn't actually talking about jizz, but thanks for pointing that out.
[QUOTE=Beejis60;330890771]I have my own beejis juice and it sure isn't this ****.[/QUOTE]
You ever make your own PH's?
Whether it be making your own "novel" compound, or making your own SD/Epi etc
[QUOTE=MikeDre;330920461]You ever make your own PH's?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but just for myself and no one else.
Oh yeah well im a chemist too, fina tabs FTW, i kid lol
[QUOTE=Beejis60;330824871]There is a pharma company in Pittsburgh that sells methyl sten and two or three others in China.[/QUOTE]
Do they cap this or are you just stating a source where a company could purchase the methylsten?
[QUOTE=JmoFinD;331120451]Do they cap this or are you just stating a source where a company could purchase the methylsten?[/QUOTE]
Stating a source where a company could buy the raw powder.