am i failing at cutting? Am I still fat for bodybuilding?

anyone notice a difference?


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Im getting very frustrated. The only difference I notice is the elimination of the gut....I need to cut down to 170 for im 178


Im eating right...doing cardio.....WHY am I having trouble cutting.


And I eat at less than my daily intake....at a deficiency





What pisses me off is people in the real world...think I am muscular.

I can see a little difference. Just work harder and dont get frustrated.

you look fatter srs

You got alot of fat in the midsection, cut hard.. very hard.. srs.

you look like you have ~145ish lbs of lbm. cut ****er cut

just do clen if your genes suck

[QUOTE=TTexasTT;840950981]I can see a little difference. Just work harder and dont get frustrated.[/QUOTE]


Are you being honest? I really need honestly. Don't try and make me feel better.


Also, I was told I need to cut down to 170 to be a low bodyfat. There HAS to be muscle there. Ive been working out for years.


I am also on Kris Gethins program.

lol at your pose and face you look foreveralone/weirdo ish

[QUOTE=TougeWarrior;840952271]just do clen if your genes suck[/QUOTE]


the funny thing is I am considered average by american standards according to people.


but I want to be average by BODYBUILDING.COM standards.

[QUOTE=DeepChill12345;840953101]Are you being honest? I really need honestly. Don't try and make me feel better.


Also, I was told I need to cut down to 170 to be a low bodyfat. There HAS to be muscle there. Ive been working out for years.


I am also on Kris Gethins program.[/QUOTE]

you need to cut lower than 170. more like 160

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[QUOTE=peanutbrah;840953921]you need to cut lower than 170. more like 160[/QUOTE]


I get different numbers on here. I am very frustrated. I have been working out for years and was dumb and thought the wieght was muscle. I guess it was fat.



The goods news is this:

If I can be this fat. Putting on muscle after the cut shouldn't be too hard with nutrition and hard work.

The only difference I see is in the lighting

Does anyone notice a difference?

Um I dunno brah.Tbh you might just look totally skinny if you cut down to like 10% or below bf because you don't really have that much muscle. Your body stores most of its fat in your midsection so by the time you cut enough for it to be gone you might not even look like you lift. srs.

i know im red and sht, but i cant tell difference
in first picture u look leaner though

[QUOTE=ahox;840955801]Um I dunno brah.Tbh you might just look totally skinny if you cut down to like 10% or below bf because you don't really have that much muscle. Your body stores most of its fat in your midsection so by the time you cut enough for it to be gone you might not even look like you lift. srs.[/QUOTE]


So basically, I am an ectomorph without the benefits of being an ectomorph.....which sucks ass.

[QUOTE=F16falcon;840951141]you look fatter srs[/QUOTE]

this. srs.

[QUOTE=DeepChill12345;840953101]Are you being honest? I really need honestly. Don't try and make me feel better.


Also, I was told I need to cut down to 170 to be a low bodyfat. There HAS to be muscle there. Ive been working out for years.


I am also on Kris Gethins program.[/QUOTE]
Im serious man. Also,If you are almost 180 now youll need to get a lot less than 170... Probablu closer to 160. Ive cut a lot more weight than what you have to lose and I know its easy to get discouraged but it comes with time.
Here is a cut I did last year. It only took a bit over 3 months... Wasnt natty, but Ive done it natty in the past too. Just takes a bit longer.
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You wont even be happy at 170. I think you wont actually start looking good until 150lbs, but at the same time, you will be incredibly small.

[QUOTE=TTexasTT;840956441]Im serious man. Also,If you are almost 180 now youll need to get a lot less than 170... Probablu closer to 160. Ive cut a lot more weight than what you have to lose and I know its easy to get discouraged but it comes with time.
Here is a cut I did last year. It only took a bit over 3 months... Wasnt natty, but Ive done it natty in the past too. Just takes a bit longer.
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What supplements can I take that assist with wieghtloss. Are they like creatine?

[QUOTE=TTexasTT;840956441]Im serious man. Also,If you are almost 180 now youll need to get a lot less than 170... Probablu closer to 160. Ive cut a lot more weight than what you have to lose and I know its easy to get discouraged but it comes with time.
Here is a cut I did last year. It only took a bit over 3 months... Wasnt natty, but Ive done it natty in the past too. Just takes a bit longer.
[IMG]http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/ttexastt/9d8597ba-1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/ttexastt/2010-09-13193246-1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

what did you use? clen?

I see no difference.

Use this
[url]http://www.myfitnesspal.com/[/url]
and go here
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140898921&p=840932291#post840932291[/url]

Its a marathon...not a sprint. Eat less, lift more

[QUOTE=drvillain;840956871]You wont even be happy at 170. I think you wont actually start looking good until 150lbs, but at the same time, you will be incredibly small.[/QUOTE]

I might just cut down to 170 and then build muscle. I think the 150-160 range isn't realistic. I dont have that much fat on me.

[QUOTE=DeepChill12345;840957741]What supplements can I take that assist with wieghtloss. Are they like creatine?[/QUOTE]

You don't need all that stuff, and I personally don't believe that your diet is spot on like you said.

[QUOTE=DeepChill12345;840957741]What supplements can I take that assist with wieghtloss. Are they like creatine?[/QUOTE]
Diet and cardio are the most important.
[QUOTE=thurbien;840957881]what did you use? clen?[/QUOTE]
no clen.

Cut to 155, clean up your diet

[QUOTE=TougeWarrior;840952271]just do clen if your genes suck[/QUOTE]

link to to this "clen" substance.

[QUOTE=DeepChill12345;840958491]I might just cut down to 170 and then build muscle. I think the 150-160 range isn't realistic. I dont have that much fat on me.[/QUOTE]

yes you do.. trust me.

[QUOTE=DeepChill12345;840958491]I might just cut down to 170 and then build muscle. I think the 150-160 range isn't realistic. [B]I dont have that much fat on me.[/B][/QUOTE]

you do brah, srs. at 160 you will still be over 10% bf if my estimate of your lbm is right.