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So I was recently considering starting all pros "Simple beginner's Routine", but I then came across this article online.
streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/41573/bodybuilding/why_barbell_curls_do_not_build_big_muscular_biceps.html
is there any truth in this?
Most definitely there are truth in this that barbell isn't exactly the best way to build massive biceps. Like they said in the article, pretty much using the barbell puts strain on the wrists and people do tend to use momentum in order to do that rep.
Building biceps require MMC, well trying to build all muscles require MMC. You need to know how to feel that contraction towards the end of the rep as you pull up from a dumbbell curl. You have to pause for 1-2 seconds and really feel that you're squeezing those muscles.
What the fuk do you mean, do they "work?"
Of COURSE they work!
This thread rustled ALL of my jimmies.
[QUOTE=IDrinkBloodLOL;957282333]What the fuk do you mean, do they "work?"
Of COURSE they work!
This thread rustled ALL of my jimmies.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry you found the title to be so sensationalist. I was simply trying to start a discussion.
[QUOTE=pvn23;957281493]Most definitely there are truth in this that barbell isn't exactly the best way to build massive biceps. Like they said in the article,[b]pretty much using the barbell puts strain on the wrists and people do tend to use momentum in order to do that rep. [/b]
Building biceps require MMC, well trying to build all muscles require MMC. You need to know how to feel that contraction towards the end of the rep as you pull up from a dumbbell curl. You have to pause for 1-2 seconds and really feel that you're squeezing those muscles.[/QUOTE]
well what about the people that practice proper form and don't use momentum? i'm one of them, my biceps have responded alot to strict BB curls and inc DB curls.
they will work as long as you're doing them correclty, and of course realize that they're not the ONLY thing to use at your disposal.
[QUOTE=AxelFoley7;957283473]I'm sorry you found the title to be so sensationalist. I was simply trying to start a discussion.[/QUOTE]
BB curls are the best exercise for Biceps there ever was or will be.
/discussion
Yes.
That is, if you train progressively(adding a little weight to the bar regularly).
Close grip barbell curl is great. You can switch to EZ bar if you have wrist issues.
Biceps are forearm supinators. So supinating dumbbell curls, where you rotate the bell to palm up position during the contraction, are better for targeting bis directly, especially compared to the EZ bar.
Hope this helps.
Yes. Anyone who says it doesn't is probably doing it wrong.
barbell bicep curl is a great exercise that works the full bicep brachii. Since the bicep is a small muscle group mostly don't have to work it quite as hard or as often as you do larger muscle groups. Ideally a 3 set rep of 6-8 rep range for building mass and 8 to 10 / 10+ or tend to more for having a more streamlined muscle look. Preacher curl tend to focus more on the width size of the bicep while preacher curls tend to focus or at least try to isolate the bicep more at the peak.
I haven't read the article but any movement that felxes the elbow will work the biceps, BB curls fall into this category.
No singular movement will lead to great results, there are many other factors but imo BB curls are a great exercise.
Does the pope sh*t in the woods?
using barbells correctly will work. dont go so heavy where you are swinging your hips to move the bar..
also try this too... holding the bar down on your hips, arms extended, pull the bar straight up your body up to your upper chest and hold for 2 seconds. its okay to bend over just slightly, but this will take the strain off your wrists, you elbows should be behind your back when you have the bar pulled up. my biceps get a good burn from this.
I incorporate BB curls in my routine and i can feel it working well when squeezing at the top. I also finish of my Biceps with 3 sets of 21's which kills them.
read the article. winston curl? googled it, searched it.
can't
find
it
suspense of another variation of curl is keeeeeling me, what can it be????
[QUOTE=vollric;957322243]read the article. winston curl? googled it, searched it.
can't
find
it
suspense of another variation of curl is keeeeeling me, what can it be????[/QUOTE]
I think its just what he calls his curls and I've read him referring to his hammer curl as his signature "winston hammer curls" as well.
oh cool, so some schmoe on the internets puts down a tried and true exercise that many consider the grandaddy of massbuilders for a particular bodypart, all so he can promote his "special" exercise that he probably didn't even invent.
let's all ignore critical thinking and majority experience and blindly believe the thinly veiled attempts of internet experts looking to make names for themselves. this d-bag is just trying to promote himself and his book. he should be fired into the sun.
[QUOTE=pvn23;957281493]Most definitely there are truth in this that barbell isn't exactly the best way to build massive biceps. Like they said in the article, pretty much using the barbell puts strain on the wrists and people do tend to use momentum in order to do that rep.[/QUOTE]
stfu
Doing it wrong does not mean the exercise does not work.
[QUOTE=OneMattSmith;957324293]I think its just what he calls his curls and I've read him referring to his hammer curl as his signature "winston hammer curls" as well.[/QUOTE]
yea I was only playin' this article is pretty whack tbh.
If done incorrectly, no exercise will work as it should.
i've also read stuff about leg curls and extensions been bad for knees. is that also not true?
As far as bicep curls with a barbell it all depends on you. I have had the wrist issues people discuss, but I work through it because the gains are worth it. You just have to expect the pain, work with lower weight and keep your own form.
Hell yes, they work. Like nothing else I've tried so far. Just the plain old straight (oly) bar curls, done with decent form, generally speaking (some cheat curls tacked on at the end is fine - with some more weight even, if preferred).
But I haven't got around to trying those incline dumbbell curls, with that stretch reflex thing going on. They sound very interesting, and the guy I heard about them from ([B]JasonDB[/B] on these forums) seems to know what he's on about, I would say at this point.
[QUOTE=djdizzydave;957319383]using barbells correctly will work. dont go so heavy where you are swinging your hips to move the bar..
also try this too... holding the bar down on your hips, arms extended, pull the bar straight up your body up to your upper chest and hold for 2 seconds. its okay to bend over just slightly, but this will take the strain off your wrists, you elbows should be behind your back when you have the bar pulled up. my biceps get a good burn from this.[/QUOTE]
Great tip.
I looked up and it was a favorite of the old time bodybuilding trainer Vince Gironda. He called them drag-curls, and recommended them as the best place to start for big biceps. He suggested 8 x 8. That should get your biceps begging for mercy:).
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/drag-curl[/url]
[QUOTE=ThickAsABrick;957326603]oh cool, so some schmoe on the internets puts down a tried and true exercise that many consider the grandaddy of massbuilders for a particular bodypart, all so he can promote his "special" exercise that he probably didn't even invent.
let's all ignore critical thinking and majority experience and blindly believe the thinly veiled attempts of internet experts looking to make names for themselves. this d-bag is just trying to promote himself and his book. he should be fired into the sun.[/QUOTE]
This.
That article is retarded.
Me likey the BB curls. I like the ez bar tho, easier on the wrists...
[QUOTE=jgreystoke;957570563]Great tip.
I looked up and it was a favorite of the old time bodybuilding trainer Vince Gironda. He called them drag-curls, and recommended them as the best place to start for big biceps. He suggested 8 x 8. That should get your biceps begging for mercy:).
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/drag-curl[/url][/QUOTE]
yeah thats it. i read up about this a while back.