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Federer in his prime could barely beat Nadal when he was a teenager. Federer just happened to find a sweet spot in the sport when past champions (Sampras/Agassi) were leaving, while the next generation (Nadal, Djoko) were still developing.
Federer has a losing record to Nadal, who is the only player of quality that Federer ever faced during his prime years.
Grand Slam matches: Nadal, 8–2
Australian Open: Nadal 2-0
French Open: Nadal 5-0
Wimbledon: Federer 2-1
US Open: Have not met
Hard Courts:
Outdoor: Nadal, 6–2
The only time Federer has an advantage is Wimbledon, where they met 3 times, all finals. These are also the only matches they have played on Grass. Federer won the first two matches, 2006 and 2007 Wimbledon, during which Nadal was 20 and 21 yrs of age, still developing, and it took Roger 4 and 5 sets to win.
Then, the 2008 Wimbledon final, considered to be the greatest match of all time. Nadal was 22, Federer was 26 and in the prime of his career. Close match, but guess who won, NADAL. He beat Federer at his best, on his favorite surface that favors his style of play. Federer the GOAT, i don't think so.
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[QUOTE=MontelWilliams;1042030573]athlete - no
tennis player - arguably[/QUOTE]
lol'd arguably.
he is.
the dominance is insane. nadal will never dominate the way roger did.
ruling the clay and being the best ever to play on clay is what nadal is.
the talent, skill....finesse and amazing shots roger posesses are way more than nadal just running down every ball and looping fast moonballs
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Michael ****ing Jordan people.
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[QUOTE=nvrstopworking;1042053163]Slams since 2006:
2006 Wimbledon over Nadal
2006 US Open over Roddick
2007 Aussie Open over Fernando Gonzalez
2007 Wimbledon over Nadal
2007 US Open over Djokovic
2008 US Open over Andy Murray
2009 French Open over Robin Soderling
2009 Wimbledon over Roddick
2010 Aussie Open over Murray
2012 Wimbledon over Murray
And consider that he's lost to Rafa 4 times in the FINALS of the French too.
He was playing the best talent available during that span.
And dude STILL makes shots that other players can only dream of.[/QUOTE]
2006 Wimbledon over Nadal <------ I will give him this one... props
2006 US Open over Roddick <----- this is a joke, Rodick ? what
2007 Aussie Open over Fernando Gonzalez <-----gonazes ? are you kidding me ? the guy would be maybe 8th - 15th on the list today
2007 Wimbledon over Nadal <------ ill give him this one...props
2007 US Open over Djokovic <------ Djokovic was a baby here
2008 US Open over Andy Murray <----- not mature Murray, Djokovic was beating this kind of Murray
2009 French Open over Robin Soderling <---- Soderling What ? he had his one good year
2009 Wimbledon over Roddick <------ already talked about Rodick, as he was getting older he sucked more
2010 Aussie Open over Murray <-----ill give him this one, props
2012 Wimbledon over Murray <------ ill give him this one, especially this one props
Compare Murray the one he is with Lendl and the murray that played against Federer in 2008, 2010...not even close
so let me add to the Federer major list with your help up there
Andy Roddick
Marat Safin
Lleyton Hewitt
Philippoussis
Gonzalez
Soderling
who are these players ?
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Roger Federer (German pronunciation: [ˈfeːdərər]; born 8 August 1981) is a Swiss professional tennis player who, as of March 2013, is ranked world No. 2 by the ATP
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[QUOTE=oe7Leo;1042057403]Federer in his prime could barely beat Nadal when he was a teenager. Federer just happened to find a sweet spot in the sport when past champions (Sampras/Agassi) were leaving, while the next generation (Nadal, Djoko) were still developing.
[B]Federer has a losing record to Nadal, who is the only player of quality that Federer ever faced during his prime years.[/B]
Grand Slam matches: Nadal, 8–2
Australian Open: Nadal 2-0
French Open: Nadal 5-0
Wimbledon: Federer 2-1
US Open: Have not met
Hard Courts:
Outdoor: Nadal, 6–2
The only time Federer has an advantage is Wimbledon, where they met 3 times, all finals. These are also the only matches they have played on Grass. Federer won the first two matches, 2006 and 2007 Wimbledon, during which Nadal was 20 and 21 yrs of age, still developing, and it took Roger 4 and 5 sets to win.
Then, the 2008 Wimbledon final, considered to be the greatest match of all time. Nadal was 22, Federer was 26 and in the prime of his career. Close match, but guess who won, NADAL. He beat Federer at his best, on his favorite surface that favors his style of play. Federer the GOAT, i don't think so.[/QUOTE]
Lulz @ bold.... so now Nadal has been the only quality player on the ATP tour for the past 6 or 7 years?
ok.
Novak owned Nadal's soul the same way that Rafa owned Roger's.... the same way that Roger used to toy with Novak (and STILL gives him fits). That's what made those 3 guys so compelling.
EVERY tennis expert and player bar none has called Fed the greatest. The way that he moves around the court and the shots that he's capable of making are unparalleled. Guy has SEVENTEEN slams. Honestly... WTF?
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[QUOTE=oe7Leo;1042057403]Federer in his prime could barely beat Nadal when he was a teenager. Federer just happened to find a sweet spot in the sport when past champions (Sampras/Agassi) were leaving, while the next generation (Nadal, Djoko) were still developing.
Federer has a losing record to Nadal, who is the only player of quality that Federer ever faced during his prime years.
Grand Slam matches: Nadal, 8–2
Australian Open: Nadal 2-0
French Open: Nadal 5-0
Wimbledon: Federer 2-1
US Open: Have not met
Hard Courts:
Outdoor: Nadal, 6–2
The only time Federer has an advantage is Wimbledon, where they met 3 times, all finals. These are also the only matches they have played on Grass. Federer won the first two matches, 2006 and 2007 Wimbledon, during which Nadal was 20 and 21 yrs of age, still developing, and it took Roger 4 and 5 sets to win.
Then, the 2008 Wimbledon final, considered to be the greatest match of all time. Nadal was 22, Federer was 26 and in the prime of his career. Close match, but guess who won, NADAL. He beat Federer at his best, on his favorite surface that favors his style of play. Federer the GOAT, i don't think so.[/QUOTE]
^this
look OP, besides getting dominated by Nadal in finals, I don't think Fed was as dominant as Borg was. Not the best grasscourt player ever (Sampras). He's not even the undisputed GOAT in his sport, yet you're proclaiming him to be the best athlete ever?
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[QUOTE=agape801;1042056203]did you know that tennis players have a better technique as they grow older ? the only thing that federer has better is the service...no he would not definetly be winning those slams with Nadal and Djokovic in their prime...I have just named you those players he was playing against in the major finals and if you think that those players are better than todays Nadal, Federer, Murray, Ferrer and Berdych than I dont know what you are watching[/QUOTE]
Obviously I'm not saying those tennis players were better, Tennis becomes a more physical sport every single year. However, if we look at the games Federer has played recently he generally loses late on in the match as the physicality and fitness becomes more and more important. He also loses points as rallys go on for an extended amount of time for the same reason. This is obviously a problem as Federer is a number of years older than his counter-parts, but his technique, shot selection etc are still atleast as good if not better than theirs and so if he was a few years younger I would imagine he'd still be beating them regularly. I'm not saying he'd win every game, but he'd be winning more grand slams.
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[QUOTE=nvrstopworking;1042060243]Lulz @ bold.... so now Nadal has been the only quality player on the ATP tour for the past 6 or 7 years?
ok.
Novak owned Nadal's soul the same way that Rafa owned Roger's.... the same way that Roger used to toy with Novak (and STILL gives him fits). That's what made those 3 guys so compelling.
EVERY tennis expert and player bar none has called Fed the greatest. The way that he moves around the court and the shots that he's capable of making are unparalleled. Guy has SEVENTEEN slams. Honestly... WTF?[/QUOTE]
Then please explain why he couldn't beat Nadal, even when Nadal was a teenager. And why he lost to him, consistently, in every grand slam (except the two Wimbledons which I already mentioned)
How does the GOAT not beat Nadal in even one other grand slam besides wimbledon. 0-5 record in the French, 0-2 Australia. I don't care how many slams the guy has. The true measure of a champion is how he fares when faced with someone of his own calibre. Nadal beat Federer over and over, when Fed was in his prime.
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[QUOTE=nvrstopworking;1042053163]Slams since 2006:
2006 Wimbledon over Nadal
2006 US Open over Roddick
2007 Aussie Open over Fernando Gonzalez
2007 Wimbledon over Nadal
2007 US Open over Djokovic
2008 US Open over Andy Murray
2009 French Open over Robin Soderling
2009 Wimbledon over Roddick
2010 Aussie Open over Murray
2012 Wimbledon over Murray
And consider that he's lost to Rafa 4 times in the FINALS of the French too.
He was playing the best talent available during that span.
And dude STILL makes shots that other players can only dream of.[/QUOTE]
Man I was at that 09 Wimbledon Final. Epic match.
Brb Federer is the GOAT
Still dominates Wimbledon, made Djokovic look like a kid in last years semis.
Murray pls go. lolz
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one of the greatest athletes and definitely the greatest tennis player ever for sure
however there can only be one... The Great One
[img]http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/99aaa.jpg[/img]
brahs that are unaware about hockey have no clue the ridiculousness of the things this man achieved
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[QUOTE=agape801;1042060053]2006 Wimbledon over Nadal <------ I will give him this one... props
2006 US Open over Roddick <----- this is a joke, Rodick ? what
2007 Aussie Open over Fernando Gonzalez <-----gonazes ? are you kidding me ? the guy would be maybe 8th - 15th on the list today
2007 Wimbledon over Nadal <------ ill give him this one...props
2007 US Open over Djokovic <------ Djokovic was a baby here
2008 US Open over Andy Murray <----- not mature Murray, Djokovic was beating this kind of Murray
2009 French Open over Robin Soderling <---- Soderling What ? he had his one good year
2009 Wimbledon over Roddick <------ already talked about Rodick, as he was getting older he sucked more
2010 Aussie Open over Murray <-----ill give him this one, props
2012 Wimbledon over Murray <------ ill give him this one, especially this one props
Compare Murray the one he is with Lendl and the murray that played against Federer in 2008, 2010...not even close[/QUOTE]
Soderling played the tournament of his life at that French Open.... he was FAR from an easy out.
Same thing with Roddick in 2009. He played AMAZING. Probably deserved to win that one TBH.
Not sure why it's a slight on Roger when he got to the finals against those guys... and won... and Novak and Rafa didn't.
Roger was also the ONE guy to beat Novak during his amazing run (French) and had match point on him at the US Open before Novak pulled out the luckiest shot he's ever hit to save it.
Guy has mastered EVERY surface... unlike Nadal who's padded his slams with 8 F.O. titles.... or Novak who's a hard court guy.
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Ya'll Must've Forgot
[video=youtube;nR3qbQeo8nY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR3qbQeo8nY[/video]
[img]http://www.livefight.com/images/pages/1345580368RoyJonesJr.jpg[/img]
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Name me one other athlete that has never lost....until then, qft.
[img]http://cdn.rtny.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/floyd.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2011/06/27/800x_b1_cCM_z_cT/floyd-mayweather-sued-over-casino-incident.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=oneshotGG;1042063453]one of the greatest athletes and definitely the greatest tennis player ever for sure
however there can only be one... The Great One
[img]http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/99aaa.jpg[/img]
brahs that are unaware about hockey have no clue the ridiculousness of the things this man achieved[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.olivecocomag.com/wp-content/uploads/michelle_kwan01.jpg[/img]
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Nah, he's better than Murray and Djokovic but Nadal is GOAT, amazing to watch. Dat spin and raw power. The way he curls the ball with dat forehand is amazing.
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Lol@people saying Bo Jackson ran a 4.12... Nobody knowns since it wasn't officially measured. So why are you getting upset when people say it's Cj who holds the record.
Gonna agree that Bo Jackson is one of the best athletes ever though.
Bo Jackson, LeBron James(could most likely be a HOF footballer as well), fat Ronaldo, Sugar Ray Robinson(biased towards boxing because i believe it's the hardest sport), Tyson, Usain Bolt Etc.
It's impossible to name one. Inb4 LeBron hate.. I know he's young, but I'm counting him in due to athletic ability.
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Agreed. I once was able to watch him practice at a tourny in Cincinnati. It was one of the greatest things I've ever seen. He was knocked out in the quarterfinals, but stuck around to play a little. He's a god.
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[QUOTE=nvrstopworking;1042063723]Soderling played the tournament of his life at that French Open.... he was FAR from an easy out.
Same thing with Roddick in 2009. He played AMAZING. Probably deserved to win that one TBH.
Not sure why it's a slight on Roger when he got to the finals against those guys... and won... and Novak and Rafa didn't.
Roger was also the ONE guy to beat Novak during his amazing run (French) and had match point on him at the US Open before Novak pulled out the luckiest shot he's ever hit to save it.
Guy has mastered EVERY surface... unlike Nadal who's padded his slams with 8 F.O. titles.... or Novak who's a hard court guy.[/QUOTE]
out 17 that Federer won , 7 of those were against 2 with Andy Roddick ,Marat Safin, Lleyton Hewitt, Philippoussis, Gonzalez, Soderling which is laughable...these are the kind of players Djokovic is gonna play within couple of years when Federer and Nadal get old..
do you think anybody is gonna stop him ?? really do you think ? have you seen what Djokovic did in last couple of years ? [b]he made a greatest run in the history of tennis....[/b]
he will be unstoppable in the next 5-7 years and he will more Majors than Federer....
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[QUOTE=DoctorPrince;1042064103]Name me one other athlete that has never lost....until then, qft.
[/QUOTE]Very tempted to neg.
That pussy chooses his fights. His ego and attitude is a disgrace to any professional athlete. **** him.
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Floyd cuz he's undefeated?
Hard to dodge people in other sports (and I love Floyd).
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lack of MJ ITT is disturbing to say the least...
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Not the greatest athlete of all time but he definitely needs to get a little love in this thread.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M9aSWirOQ[/url]
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[QUOTE=kgzk111;1042068683]lack of MJ ITT is disturbing to say the least...[/QUOTE]
IMO, greatest athlete of all time.
Cut throat like no other.
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[QUOTE=agape801;1042066983]he will be unstoppable in the next 5-7 years and he will more Majors than Federer....[/QUOTE]
Murray can have Novak on his day and I still have high hopes for Del Potro (shame he got injured) seeing as he is still only 24. That Canadian has potential too, Raonic is it? Plenty of good potential players out there, I don't think Novak will have it all his own way.
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I am shocked at the amount of unawares in the thread...
Although im a Murray fan.... can't not say the RF is probably the best tennis player to play the game
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Gretzky deserves some love too..
2800 points, 1000 more than the next guy. With some ridiculous feats along the way.
edit:
Just think about that, the next guy doesn't even hit 2000 and Gretzky was close to 3000.
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[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Bolt200.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=agape801;1042066983]out 17 that Federer won , 7 of those were against 2 with Andy Roddick ,Marat Safin, Lleyton Hewitt, Philippoussis, Gonzalez, Soderling which is laughable...these are the kind of players Djokovic is gonna play within couple of years when Federer and Nadal get old..
do you think anybody is gonna stop him ?? really do you think ? have you seen what Djokovic did in last couple of years ? [b]he made a greatest run in the history of tennis....[/b]
he will be unstoppable in the next 5-7 years and he will more Majors than Federer....[/QUOTE]
I understand why you're not acknowledging Federer's talent, you're serbian...
You're argument is that since he won against "bad" opponents in Finals, he's not a good player? Yeah right
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[QUOTE=agape801;1042066983]out 17 that Federer won , 7 of those were against 2 with Andy Roddick ,Marat Safin, Lleyton Hewitt, Philippoussis, Gonzalez, Soderling which is laughable...these are the kind of players Djokovic is gonna play within couple of years when Federer and Nadal get old..
do you think anybody is gonna stop him ?? really do you think ? have you seen what Djokovic did in last couple of years ? [b]he made a greatest run in the history of tennis....[/b]
[B]he will be unstoppable in the next 5-7 years and he will more Majors than Federer[/B]....[/QUOTE]
Are you Serbian by any chance? :p
I like Novak a lot.... but that's a TALL order and you're REALLY underestimating what Roger's done. Novak isn't going to have a run like he had a couple years ago every year.... and Murray's been raising his game every year. It won't be easy to match 17 slams.
Let's see him catch Rafa first.
