Why do I keep binging...

Recently I've been binging once a week it seems... If anything I've gained about 2 pounds of actual fat. It's embarrassing to myself, my family, and my peers. I tell them my goals and when I want to reach it, and obviously nothing has happened in terms of progression.

I want to figure out why I keep binging. I'm switching my bread out for oats now which I'm okay with, I enjoy oats with some cinnamon and splenda.

I do a 6 day workout schedule, quite a bit of volume and each day has a compound exercise. My 6th day is a fullbody compound day. My calories are 1850-1950 or so. My carbs are roughly 100-105 and my protein is 210+.

Could it be my calories are too low that my body feels suppressed and I give up? Are my carbs too low, not meeting a satisfying amount per day?

I'm strict on my workout schedule and what I eat, but when that binge comes it sure comes.. In my mornings I only have 1 scoop of whey with water, and don't eat till 2PM-4PM, that is my first meal. Then my second meal is at 11:20PM roughly, after I get home from the gym. I need to fix this constant failure.

Am I just being weak? How have you guys overcome your frequent binges?

Maybe I already know the solution but am looking for pity, I'm not sure. But I know I need help or advice or something, I need to beat this. So far I'm down 70lbs since last February.

Well maybe you have BED (binge eating disorder). It can be from too much restriction (calories could be too low), or because of an underlying issue or suppressed emotions. You might want to talk to a psychologist and try to figure out why you keep bingeing.

[QUOTE=DarthInvadeHer;835818171]Well maybe you have BED (binge eating disorder). It can be from too much restriction (calories could be too low), or because of an underlying issue or suppressed emotions. You might want to talk to a psychologist and try to figure out why you keep bingeing.[/QUOTE]
Hope that's not the situation. I lost 70lbs with little trouble, I don't see why my diet is such a problem now. I did also change up my routine in October to an actual routine instead of some p90x/insanity. So maybe my demand for calories are much higher...

I don't have money for a psychologist lool.

do you allow yourself a cheat meal?

A lot of people do it once a week or 2 or 3 times a month

If you don't give in and have a little something you enjoy , sooner or later most people cave and binge

[QUOTE=NickA44;835821551]do you allow yourself a cheat meal?

A lot of people do it once a week or 2 or 3 times a month

If you don't give in and have a little something you enjoy , sooner or later most people cave and binge[/QUOTE]

No I don't, I always fear to have a cheat meal for a few reasons.
1. I think it may lead to binging(lol)
2. I can't count calories for most things I'd cheat on...

Try IIFYM.

Unless that will lead to a binge.

[QUOTE=DarthInvadeHer;835827331]Try IIFYM.

Unless that will lead to a binge.[/QUOTE]

I think it would lead to binging.

I want to atleast have 2 strong weeks, I'm sure I can over-come this binge if I stay strong for 2 weeks. It seems that I can't enjoy tasty food because it then shifts my mind into a craving state and I just go crazy.

[QUOTE=StitchT;835829391]I think it would lead to binging.

I want to atleast have 2 strong weeks, I'm sure I can over-come this binge if I stay strong for 2 weeks. It seems that I can't enjoy tasty food because it then shifts my mind into a craving state and I just go crazy.[/QUOTE]

I know exactly what you're talking about and I have BED. I know you said you don't have money for a psychologist but would your insurance cover it? I highly suggest it because it seems like you have it too.

[QUOTE=DarthInvadeHer;835831891]I know exactly what you're talking about and I have BED. I know you said you don't have money for a psychologist but would your insurance cover it? I highly suggest it because it seems like you have it too.[/QUOTE]

I'm actually not sure if any sort of medical coverage takes care of that here in Canada, considering I'm 19 and I don't have free healthcare for certain things.

I'm curious as to what a psychologist would even do for me? How would he diagnose and treat BED?

feelsbadwoman.

I would check out Intermittent Fasting in conjunction with IIFYM. If you can hold out til late in the day (when you are likely to binge) then your 1500 calorie meal will seem like a binge (and still fall within your calorie limits for the day).

That being said, if by "binging" you mean eating a tub of Ben and Jerry's using a Snickers as a spoon, I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE=StitchT;835832791]I'm actually not sure if any sort of medical coverage takes care of that here in Canada, considering I'm 19 and I don't have free healthcare for certain things.

I'm curious as to what a psychologist would even do for me? How would he diagnose and treat BED?

feelsbadwoman.[/QUOTE]

Haha, well I found out from experience that you want to talk to one who specializes in this. They're there to help you figure out the cause(s) of the binges and just to talk about anything - very helpful imo. They also give you suggestions as to what you should do to try to stop the bingeing.

Can you post your exact diet and times you eat.. I think that's the.problem.

[QUOTE=StitchT;835813641]Recently I've been binging once a week it seems... If anything I've gained about 2 pounds of actual fat. It's embarrassing to myself, my family, and my peers. I tell them my goals and when I want to reach it, and obviously nothing has happened in terms of progression.

I want to figure out why I keep binging. I'm switching my bread out for oats now which I'm okay with, I enjoy oats with some cinnamon and splenda.

I do a 6 day workout schedule, quite a bit of volume and each day has a compound exercise. My 6th day is a fullbody compound day. My calories are 1850-1950 or so. My carbs are roughly 100-105 and my protein is 210+.

Could it be my calories are too low that my body feels suppressed and I give up? Are my carbs too low, not meeting a satisfying amount per day?

I'm strict on my workout schedule and what I eat, but when that binge comes it sure comes.. In my mornings I only have 1 scoop of whey with water, and don't eat till 2PM-4PM, that is my first meal. Then my second meal is at 11:20PM roughly, after I get home from the gym. I need to fix this constant failure.

Am I just being weak? How have you guys overcome your frequent binges?

Maybe I already know the solution but am looking for pity, I'm not sure. But I know I need help or advice or something, I need to beat this. So far I'm down 70lbs since last February.[/QUOTE]


A few things.

1. It is lack of self control. If you have a goal set in your mind, keep it there and don't allow yourself to slip up. I am currently dieting and it blows, but i see the end of the road and nothing is going to block me.

2. get support. find a friend, family member, who ever that can keep you accountable for your actions.

3. it is easy to binge especially if you are trying to cut weight. Your body craves the foods that you just took out and its very very tempting. remember, self control.

4. do not get down about your slip up. it happens. what you need to do is take the mistake, learn from it and apply it to the future as motivation.

5. drink more water and eat more fiber. You will feel full.

6. this is a weird one.. when ever i want to cheat or someones eating like **** around me, while im eating, i mentally think that what im consuming is what ever im craving or thinking about... it works, its a weird trick ive learned but it works.

7. good luck.

[QUOTE=StitchT;835823551]No I don't, I always fear to have a cheat meal for a few reasons.
1. I think it may lead to binging(lol)
2. I can't count calories for most things I'd cheat on...[/QUOTE]

If you cannot count calories for most things you would cheat on, I'd have serious reservations as to whether you know the calories of the foods you do eat.

I am in the process of getting my bachelors in psychology and I don't think he needs a Psychologist unless you are suffering from mild or serve depression or you have a lot of stress in your life and all of the stress overwhelms you and causes you to binge. But when you have your cheat day is it on a day where you are burning off all of the extra calories your body is consuming? And how much cardio are you doing? And how I overcome my binges is allowing myself once a week to have any meal I am craving whether its pizza or a burger or anything really but i proportion it. If i am craving something like a sugary drink I will drink like a Powerade Zero because its nice and sweet and it takes care of my sugar craving. But the only real way for you to overcome these binges and lack of weight loss is that you have to really want to lose it. You have to push yourself harder and harder that is the only way you will see results you want.

everyone wants to binge while cutting just like you do, you have to want your goal bad enough not to binge tho, its called dedication and self control , you should look into it man, food aint worth it

[QUOTE=JVRICHARDS;835876311]I would check out Intermittent Fasting in conjunction with IIFYM. If you can hold out til late in the day (when you are likely to binge) then your 1500 calorie meal will seem like a binge (and still fall within your calorie limits for the day).

That being said, if by "binging" you mean eating a tub of Ben and Jerry's using a Snickers as a spoon, I don't know what to tell you.[/QUOTE]

I second this. I down a 1000 calorie meal every night before bed while staying within my calorie limit for the day. Totally eliminates my urge to cheat

[QUOTE=JVRICHARDS;835876311]I would check out Intermittent Fasting in conjunction with IIFYM. If you can hold out til late in the day (when you are likely to binge) then your 1500 calorie meal will seem like a binge (and still fall within your calorie limits for the day).

That being said, if by "binging" you mean eating a tub of Ben and Jerry's using a Snickers as a spoon, I don't know what to tell you.[/QUOTE]

My binges can be pretty nasty. I guess I go two ways on binging, eat a crap-load at once. And eat crap all day till I sleep.

[QUOTE=DarthInvadeHer;835879601]Haha, well I found out from experience that you want to talk to one who specializes in this. They're there to help you figure out the cause(s) of the binges and just to talk about anything - very helpful imo. They also give you suggestions as to what you should do to try to stop the bingeing.[/QUOTE]
I can't doubt this, who knows maybe I will need a psychologist lol.

[QUOTE=Esaulperez;835882731]Can you post your exact diet and times you eat.. I think that's the.problem.[/QUOTE]
8-9AM
I have 1 scoop of whey with water.

2-4PM
4oz chicken breast
1/2 fatfree cottage cheese
1/2 eggwhites with fatfree cheese
almost 2 cups of veggies
1/2 oatmeal

Post workout(11PM)
1 scoop whey

Dinner(11:20PM)
8oz chicken breast
1/2 cottage cheese
1 cup eggwhites with 2 slices of cheese
almost 2 cups of veggies
1 cup oatmeal

Pre-bed
1 scoop of dat dere Trutein Cinnabon

I eat this certain diet I worked out because it helps keep my protein macros high, I have no problem with it(except for when I complain about repetition of meal but I get over it haha)

I drink the shakes to help with hitting my macros, not for anabolic/catabolic timing.
[QUOTE=gottalift78;835886481]A few things.

1. It is lack of self control. If you have a goal set in your mind, keep it there and don't allow yourself to slip up. I am currently dieting and it blows, but i see the end of the road and nothing is going to block me.

2. get support. find a friend, family member, who ever that can keep you accountable for your actions.

3. it is easy to binge especially if you are trying to cut weight. Your body craves the foods that you just took out and its very very tempting. remember, self control.

4. do not get down about your slip up. it happens. what you need to do is take the mistake, learn from it and apply it to the future as motivation.

5. drink more water and eat more fiber. You will feel full.

6. this is a weird one.. when ever i want to cheat or someones eating like **** around me, while im eating, i mentally think that what im consuming is what ever im craving or thinking about... it works, its a weird trick ive learned but it works.

7. good luck.[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot, encouraging post.

[QUOTE=nabokov7;835888401]If you cannot count calories for most things you would cheat on, I'd have serious reservations as to whether you know the calories of the foods you do eat.[/QUOTE]
I know how to count calories, don't belittle my knowledge. When you cheat on a meal, the point is to CHEAT, correct? Not to count the macros or calories, right? Sorry if I come off edgy, but it's unnecessary to post a comment such as. I'd cheat on stuff I like, like Spaghetti with alfredo sauce and cheese. Am I going to sit there and measure out the cheese and sauce, aswell as the spaghetti? Personally I wouldn't.

[QUOTE=coaltrain75;835891841]I am in the process of getting my bachelors in psychology and I don't think he needs a Psychologist unless you are suffering from mild or serve depression or you have a lot of stress in your life and all of the stress overwhelms you and causes you to binge. But when you have your cheat day is it on a day where you are burning off all of the extra calories your body is consuming? And how much cardio are you doing? And how I overcome my binges is allowing myself once a week to have any meal I am craving whether its pizza or a burger or anything really but i proportion it. If i am craving something like a sugary drink I will drink like a Powerade Zero because its nice and sweet and it takes care of my sugar craving. But the only real way for you to overcome these binges and lack of weight loss is that you have to really want to lose it. You have to push yourself harder and harder that is the only way you will see results you want.[/QUOTE]

I've had a past of pretty bad depression. Now it's VERY minor. Also I'm stressed out pretty much all the time. Can you imagine a teenager with problems in school, family, money, and problems figuring out his future? Haha. You're right on pushing myself harder, I've come this far, no need to screw it all up.

[QUOTE=bf527365;835905291]everyone wants to binge while cutting just like you do, you have to want your goal bad enough not to binge tho, its called dedication and self control , you should look into it man, food aint worth it[/QUOTE]
Please, I know dedication and self-control. I pulled that line pretty good for a year. Just these past few months have been completely whack. You're right though, on that note I should step my game up. Food is worth it, we're after all human beings here to enjoy our lives right :). I just have to find the right time to enjoy food -_-...

[QUOTE=matt1942;835910321]I second this. I down a 1000 calorie meal every night before bed while staying within my calorie limit for the day. Totally eliminates my urge to cheat[/QUOTE]

I think I'm following IF? My meals are pretty far spaced, pretty much fasting till my first meal.

Unfortunately I'm in the midst of a binge... Had a large order of popeyes with sides, extra biscuit. And keep snacking on ice cream. Now I'm having 2 small burgers for dinner and going to watch a movie so I'll be having popcorn.

Tomorrow, I want you all to hear, TOMORROW is the day I combat this bull****. I can't continue this. Everyone in the LF section has been very supportive in one way or another, since the beginning of my weight-loss to now my cut. Thanks guys.

Only exception I can place is 4 days total. 1 is my cousins birthday, they're doing it at Buffalo Wild Wings. I'll order 20 boneless wings. That roughly comes to 2000 calories(Long ago I actually calculated this lol) and my 3 scoops of whey total. It'll put me at 2400 calories. The other 3 days I go out to a sports camp in Muskoka Woods where they have a buffet style eating, 3 times a day. In a normal sitting with people around me, for some reason, I get full quickly off eating slowly. In my own home though this never happens. I'll be walking/hiking the whole day though so this should atleast aid a bit.

But every other, any other day I will be strong. I have no problem going to the gym, picture a teenager working out, right? We love it lol. My diet is spot too, but when the binge crave comes, I lose it.

[QUOTE=matt1942;835910321]I second this. I down a 1000 calorie meal every night before bed while staying within my calorie limit for the day. Totally eliminates my urge to cheat[/QUOTE]

yeah it works for me aswell, i.e. I eat few calories during afternoon so I deserve to eat more at night. Just don't drive crazy and get 3000cals in a minute LOL.

Op. not to sound like a dick but it sounds like you just need to punch yourself in the balls to remind yourelf that your a man and suck it up. cutting is hard and takes dicipline. Im sure if you want it bad enough you can do it.

Sure you need some discipline to stop eating everything you find in front of you ;) I suggest removing completely sugars and fruit juices and coke since all these are very rich on fast carbs which tend to be addictive. You will suffer a bit the first week then you will notice some improvement.

[QUOTE=StitchT;835936051]My binges can be pretty nasty. I guess I go two ways on binging, eat a crap-load at once. And eat crap all day till I sleep.


I can't doubt this, who knows maybe I will need a psychologist lol.


8-9AM
I have 1 scoop of whey with water.

2-4PM
4oz chicken breast
1/2 fatfree cottage cheese
1/2 eggwhites with fatfree cheese
almost 2 cups of veggies
1/2 oatmeal

Post workout(11PM)
1 scoop whey

Dinner(11:20PM)
8oz chicken breast
1/2 cottage cheese
1 cup eggwhites with 2 slices of cheese
almost 2 cups of veggies
1 cup oatmeal

Pre-bed
1 scoop of dat dere Trutein Cinnabon

I eat this certain diet I worked out because it helps keep my protein macros high, I have no problem with it(except for when I complain about repetition of meal but I get over it haha)

I drink the shakes to help with hitting my macros, not for anabolic/catabolic timing.


Thanks a lot, encouraging post.


I know how to count calories, don't belittle my knowledge. When you cheat on a meal, the point is to CHEAT, correct? Not to count the macros or calories, right? Sorry if I come off edgy, but it's unnecessary to post a comment such as. I'd cheat on stuff I like, like Spaghetti with alfredo sauce and cheese. Am I going to sit there and measure out the cheese and sauce, aswell as the spaghetti? Personally I wouldn't.



I've had a past of pretty bad depression. Now it's VERY minor. Also I'm stressed out pretty much all the time. Can you imagine a teenager with problems in school, family, money, and problems figuring out his future? Haha. You're right on pushing myself harder, I've come this far, no need to screw it all up.


Please, I know dedication and self-control. I pulled that line pretty good for a year. Just these past few months have been completely whack. You're right though, on that note I should step my game up. Food is worth it, we're after all human beings here to enjoy our lives right :). I just have to find the right time to enjoy food -_-...



I think I'm following IF? My meals are pretty far spaced, pretty much fasting till my first meal.

Unfortunately I'm in the midst of a binge... Had a large order of popeyes with sides, extra biscuit. And keep snacking on ice cream. Now I'm having 2 small burgers for dinner and going to watch a movie so I'll be having popcorn.

Tomorrow, I want you all to hear, TOMORROW is the day I combat this bull****. I can't continue this. Everyone in the LF section has been very supportive in one way or another, since the beginning of my weight-loss to now my cut. Thanks guys.

Only exception I can place is 4 days total. 1 is my cousins birthday, they're doing it at Buffalo Wild Wings. I'll order 20 boneless wings. That roughly comes to 2000 calories(Long ago I actually calculated this lol) and my 3 scoops of whey total. It'll put me at 2400 calories. The other 3 days I go out to a sports camp in Muskoka Woods where they have a buffet style eating, 3 times a day. In a normal sitting with people around me, for some reason, I get full quickly off eating slowly. In my own home though this never happens. I'll be walking/hiking the whole day though so this should atleast aid a bit.

But every other, any other day I will be strong. I have no problem going to the gym, picture a teenager working out, right? We love it lol. My diet is spot too, but when the binge crave comes, I lose it.[/QUOTE]

You pretty much explained the root of your problem in this post alone. Your diet seems fine, however, it's too restricted - and if that's all you eat every day, then it will trigger those cravings hard core. Compound that with high stress and mild depression and you'll end up losing focus and binging as a result.

I know this first hand because I went trough the exact same problems you're going through a few years back. I would binge ever weekend after getting off from work and hardly eating much throughout the week. I just completely lost it after a while and decided to just quit exercising and eating healthy again. I had completely lost all of my progress within 2 years and went right back to being the fat slob I was for most of my life. What I'm trying to say here is; Regain your composure and focus before you end up like I did. Rethink your priorities and go for it, man. Don't deprive yourself, either. If you're gonna cheat, cheat. At least every two weeks. And don't just binge out to the point of discomfort.

Yep. Your diet is too restrictive. You can't keep it so you flip **** and eat junk.

IIFYM. 150g of protein, 2000 cals. See if IF fits for you.

I'll second the Intermittent Fasting, I always eat a massive meal at night time regardless of what I have eaten during the day. So I just took breakfast and lunch out of the equation. Win-win. I get to lose fat and eat a massive meal every single night.

[QUOTE=Tuberacer;835969031]You pretty much explained the root of your problem in this post alone. Your diet seems fine, however, it's too restricted - and if that's all you eat every day, then it will trigger those cravings hard core. Compound that with high stress and mild depression and you'll end up losing focus and binging as a result.

I know this first hand because I went trough the exact same problems you're going through a few years back. I would binge ever weekend after getting off from work and hardly eating much throughout the week. I just completely lost it after a while and decided to just quit exercising and eating healthy again. I had completely lost all of my progress within 2 years and went right back to being the fat slob I was for most of my life. What I'm trying to say here is; Regain your composure and focus before you end up like I did. Rethink your priorities and go for it, man. Don't deprive yourself, either. If you're gonna cheat, cheat. At least every two weeks. And don't just binge out to the point of discomfort.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, very helpful.

So then how would I fit 210g+ of protein IIFYM style? I'm thinking maybe having 1, moderate cheat meal a week. This might help.

[QUOTE=StitchT;835990701]Thanks, very helpful.

So then how would I fit 210g+ of protein IIFYM style? I'm thinking maybe having 1, moderate cheat meal a week. This might help.[/QUOTE]

150g should honestly be enough, easy enough with a couple protein shakes during the day.

That diet is way restricted! That is the root of the problem right there. As mentioned have a cheat MEAL or even day (no 10k cals day tho lol) at least once a week. Outside of that, control man. Try some coffee (or caffeine pills) to suppress hunger. IF does the trick for me! When i went off it for 2 months i binged like a mu'****a and set me back 5kgs gained (ive dropped that and then some now tho :P)! Cause as soon as i eat, hungry from there out. So i save till the end of the day and I literally cant blow my calories in that 1 (maybe sometimes 2) meal(s). IF nukes hunger aswell. I almost have to MAKE myself eat lol Lot of good advice so far, so see what works op! :)

[QUOTE=StitchT;835936051]

I know how to count calories, don't belittle my knowledge. When you cheat on a meal, the point is to CHEAT, correct? Not to count the macros or calories, right? Sorry if I come off edgy, but it's unnecessary to post a comment such as. I'd cheat on stuff I like, like Spaghetti with alfredo sauce and cheese. Am I going to sit there and measure out the cheese and sauce, aswell as the spaghetti? Personally I wouldn't.

[/QUOTE]

Being tetchy over somebody telling you they have reservations as to whether you may be adding your calories up correctly is churlish. I've said so in a very considered manner - I'm not going to pour molasses into the palms of your hands. Appreciate that some of the advice you will receive in this forum is very direct and honest (read that to mean "useful"). I see some others have posted their thoughts rather more colourfully à la "punch yourself in the balls".

To respond to your counterpoint: the point of a cheat day is to "cheat". That doesn't mean you lose all sense and hammer down beyond reason a feast. If your training and routine is not teaching you discipline and if you're not learning to appreciate what you need rather than what you want, then there are people out there doing better than you. Accept that.

And I never belittled your knowledge - I simply raised the possibility you may be counting your calories incorrectly (something we all have done to varying degrees and especially when starting out). However, as you have already taken offence: if you find you don't know even the approximate caloric value of foods you choose to gorge on your cheat days, your knowledge IS lacking. Put a piece of cheese I regularly eat in front of me and I'll give you a pretty good approximation of how many calories it contains.

You don't want it bad enough. Simple as That. When you want it as badly as you want to breathe then, and only then will you achieve what you set out to achieve

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X38PCf7kao[/url]

[youtube]7X38PCf7kao[/youtube]

I had some appetite problems in the past. You have to focus more on eating real foods and high volume meals. Massive salads, huge plates of broccoli and cauliflower. Maybe even 200grams of oats pwo. Of your stomach is full with healthy food, there won't be space for other stuff.

because you don't want it bad enough
[img]http://becomeafitnessmodel.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/blue_bikini_on_the_beach_11091.jpg[/img]

any hot bish is my motivation.

[QUOTE=nabokov7;836169171]Being tetchy over somebody telling you they have reservations as to whether you may be adding your calories up correctly is churlish. I've said so in a very considered manner - I'm not going to pour molasses into the palms of your hands. Appreciate that some of the advice you will receive in this forum is very direct and honest (read that to mean "useful"). I see some others have posted their thoughts rather more colourfully à la "punch yourself in the balls".

To respond to your counterpoint: the point of a cheat day is to "cheat". That doesn't mean you lose all sense and hammer down beyond reason a feast. If your training and routine is not teaching you discipline and if you're not learning to appreciate what you need rather than what you want, then there are people out there doing better than you. Accept that.

And I never belittled your knowledge - I simply raised the possibility you may be counting your calories incorrectly (something we all have done to varying degrees and especially when starting out). However, as you have already taken offence: if you find you don't know even the approximate caloric value of foods you choose to gorge on your cheat days, your knowledge IS lacking. Put a piece of cheese I regularly eat in front of me and I'll give you a pretty good approximation of how many calories it contains.[/QUOTE]
I have nothing to say except sorry. I count my calories and know HOW to, am able to estimate pretty accurately for things I don't even look at. But honestly, when I binge I have a hard time recalling what I eat. It's worse than most would think. Today my scale broke 200.2lbs. I know a lot of it is water-weight from a 2 day onslaught, but this is changing it for sure. I haven't seen 200 in a while, that actually pissed me off.

Anyway, sorry, didn't mean to have this happen. Thanks for the brutal honesty.

[QUOTE=kc_shuffle;836169531]You don't want it bad enough. Simple as That. When you want it as badly as you want to breathe then, and only then will you achieve what you set out to achieve

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X38PCf7kao[/url]
[youtube]7X38PCf7kao[/youtube][/QUOTE]
I don't really find motivation or inspiration from a video, I've seen it already. But thanks. I'm doing this strictly for myself, and the ones I promised for when I was obese at 260lbs.
[QUOTE=IgboMeso;836179491]I had some appetite problems in the past. You have to focus more on eating real foods and high volume meals. Massive salads, huge plates of broccoli and cauliflower. Maybe even 200grams of oats pwo. Of your stomach is full with healthy food, there won't be space for other stuff.[/QUOTE]
I can literally keep eating till it hurts, I don't think veggies could really put a dent in my stomach :\.. Thanks though, I've thought of this before too :p.

[QUOTE=YouMadDawg;836204751]because you don't want it bad enough
[img]http://becomeafitnessmodel.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/blue_bikini_on_the_beach_11091.jpg[/img]

any hot bish is my motivation.[/QUOTE]
I don't work out or aim for visible abs for women. I'm not desperate for pussy nor is it a priority of mine. I'd rather have a girl I can call mine and to have good moments. I strictly work out for myself and the ones I promised for.

Thanks a lot guys. Today I'm giving IIFYM a try. I'll get 166g of protein from my 3 regular scoops of whey, 12oz of chicken breast total, and 1 cup of cottage cheese. This leaves me with 930cals to eat whatever I like and to be honest I'm having a hard time thinking of what to fill those calories with lol.

Is 166g of protein enough for my weight(192lbs now..)? I'll be getting random amounts from the 930 calories I have to use up too so maybe like 180g of protein. I'll be cutting at 1900 calories for 2 weeks, I'll adjust accordingly to see if I need to go lower(Hopefully not..).

[QUOTE=StitchT;836223001]I have nothing to say except sorry. I count my calories and know HOW to, am able to estimate pretty accurately for things I don't even look at. But honestly, when I binge I have a hard time recalling what I eat. It's worse than most would think. Today my scale broke 200.2lbs. I know a lot of it is water-weight from a 2 day onslaught, but this is changing it for sure. I haven't seen 200 in a while, that actually pissed me off.

Anyway, sorry, didn't mean to have this happen. Thanks for the brutal honesty. [/QUOTE]

No offence taken or intended - a lot of people post to simply help and provide another perspective. Good luck with the fat loss - the progress pictures will be good to see when you succeed.

[QUOTE=nabokov7;836234331]No offence taken or intended - a lot of people post to simply help and provide another perspective. Good luck with the fat loss - the progress pictures will be good to see when you succeed.[/QUOTE]

Thanks there :). What are your goals as of now?

StitchT, you're going to hate this, but here's some brutality. You are talking about your "binging" like it's a disability, a medical disorder. It's not. It's a psychological weakness that you can overcome as soon as you recognize it for what it is. It's a shortcoming, and as soon as you identify what triggers it, you can avoid it. In a month, you will easily resist the urge. In 3 months you won't even have to.

The next time you are sitting there dipping a chicken leg into a tub of Hershey's syrup, don't think "Oh well, I'm binging again". Think "What the **** am I doing?" Quit enabling your bad habit.

[QUOTE=JVRICHARDS;835876311] eating a tub of Ben and Jerry's using a Snickers as a spoon[/QUOTE]

How have I not had this idea before???

I've gone through it man, when I was on something like 1800 calories a day and overestimating more often than not, at that. Too restrictive. I feel for you, but the tough love others have given is really the only advice that's worth anything in my opinion. You need to realize that there's nothing predetermined. Stop using the binges as a crutch, it's not an illness, just a weakness. Weaknesses can be cured. Maybe go listen to some egotistical-as-**** rap and get in the zone - there's a reason so many arrogant douche bags are ripped as all hell. They know they have the power/ability to resist and overcome whatever they need to do in order to reach their goals. We can all learn from them (half joking half serious).

[QUOTE=JVRICHARDS;836300491]StitchT, you're going to hate this, but here's some brutality. You are talking about your "binging" like it's a disability, a medical disorder. It's not. It's a psychological weakness that you can overcome as soon as you recognize it for what it is. It's a shortcoming, and as soon as you identify what triggers it, you can avoid it. In a month, you will easily resist the urge. In 3 months you won't even have to.

The next time you are sitting there dipping a chicken leg into a tub of Hershey's syrup, don't think "Oh well, I'm binging again". Think "What the **** am I doing?" Quit enabling your bad habit.[/QUOTE]
You're 100% right, and I don't hate it. I just don't understand why all of a sudden, after losing 70lbs this weakness started. I hate chicken legs lool. You're exactly right on the "Oh well, I'm binging again", I say it exactly like that in my head. Pathetic! I'm taking your advice on the IIFYM. I'll still be able to attain 180g of protein on average which will be good enough for me, I hope!

[QUOTE=Anthonyxavcx;836317611]I've gone through it man, when I was on something like 1800 calories a day and overestimating more often than not, at that. Too restrictive. I feel for you, but the tough love others have given is really the only advice that's worth anything in my opinion. You need to realize that there's nothing predetermined. Stop using the binges as a crutch, it's not an illness, just a weakness. Weaknesses can be cured. Maybe go listen to some egotistical-as-**** rap and get in the zone - there's a reason so many arrogant douche bags are ripped as all hell. They know they have the power/ability to resist and overcome whatever they need to do in order to reach their goals. We can all learn from them (half joking half serious).[/QUOTE]

I have no problem of getting in the zone, I love the gym. Just the binges, but, you're right. I'm going to try harder than ever.

Thanks a lot everyone!

Where is op now

[QUOTE=smb43432;1070655911]Where is op now[/QUOTE]

getting lean as hell now, which is the funny thing. he got his stuff together and found something that works for him.

cool - wish he would post some current pics....bet he is proud now!! and probably no more binging!

@StitchT

It's like battling an addiction.. But it sounds like you are depriving yourself and setting standards that are too strict for yourself. If you keep at it with small steps and changes the "binges" will dissipate with time and your gains will flourish.

But yes, jumping from p90x to a solid program [B]should[/B] result in eating more calories. Although, you could not be eating enough carbs.. from which an enzyme known as glucokinase is activated and unleashes the "[I]sweet tooth syndrome.[/I]" These carbs cravings are serious because its humanly impossible to avoid. Make sure you are eating a sufficient amount of [B]complex carbs [/B] and be sure to have a breakfast that's heart with protein. These tips will compensate your appetite while diminishing those cravings. [B]Gluconeogenesis[/B] isn't just a craving for sugar, at least not psychologically. Until you become aware of the fact the sugar enhances the absorption of essential nutrients you would not consciously know to eat virtually anything. To better understand, check it this article I wrote, these tips will help you
<- www . bodybybell(dot)com/nutritious/53-set-fire-to-yesterdays-best-dieting-tips ->

it explains everything I just mentioned as well as a few tips you won't find anywhere else.

To your success!

@bodybybell

There's a really good book I'm reading called "Overcoming Binge Eating"

It covers a lot of the aspects of a binge. In the book they basically say that a diet that's too restrictive (ie: no white bread) can trigger binges. In the long run it's better not to have any forbidden foods, just work them into your macros.

I believe I have binge eating disorder and I follow a flexible dieting approach rather successfully. My biggest step forward in my current cut is loosening up a bit when I do feel like having a nice meal, snack, or treat. I just keep track of it and move on. Keeping track has helped me keep in check. If I didn't keep track I'd easily eat a 5k extra on a "cheat".

Old thread.

Self-control.

There are a lot of "suck it up and be a man posts" about these sort of subjects. I would say that there is a good chance you are addicted to the serotonin rush of binging on calorie-dense foods. I was the same way. You just have to go through a withdrawal period where you eat healthy for a couple of weeks with no cheating. After that your body/mind adapt and you can find it's much easier than you'd think.

i had binging problems untill i stopped watching porn and limiting masturbation

no, i am not kidding

[QUOTE=StitchT;835823551]
2. I can't count calories for most things I'd cheat on...[/QUOTE]

That's just laziness. You can determine the calories for almost anything with a bit of research and effort.

[QUOTE=bf527365;835905291]everyone wants to binge while cutting just like you do, you have to want your goal bad enough not to binge tho, its called dedication and self control , you should look into it man, food aint worth it[/QUOTE]
Intermittent Fasting changed this for me since I have basically a 'mini-binge' every day after workouts (on days I work out).

OP: The reason you're losing control is that you're exercising 6x/week and doing high volume.