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Hey,
I'm 21 skinny fat i think (ectomorph). 77-78 kg and 177cm. Played soccer most of my life but stopped a while ago so have a bit of a belly. Just wondering how much Calories/Fat/Carbs/Protein i should be aiming at to CLEAN BULK? and and example of what sort of diet plan i should be looking at?
I cam across this one:
(can't link yet so put - http)://hasfit.com/diets/muscle-and-weight-gain-diet.pdf
Can anyone tell me if it is relevant to me?
95-99% of people that call themselves ectomorph or endomorph, always find out that once they calculate their dietary needs, that those names are absolute bullsh*t and just weren't eating enough or were eating too much before.
Secondly, never use an online diet plan. How can anyone other than you, decide what foods you like?
To know how much of the foods to eat, calculate your TDEE & cal / macro needs here with the Katch McArdle formula: [url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703981[/url]
This will tell you how many cals / macros you need.
To clean bulk, add 10-20% of cals onto that TDEE / maintenance.
Fill those macros / cals with foods [B]you enjoy, not what some meal plan off the internet tells you.[/B] There are no "clean" or "dirty" foods; your body can only read the macros and cals you ingest, it can't read the name labels on the tin. See [url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149661773[/url]
Just ensure that a good chunk of your food choices are whole / unprocessed to ensure you are getting enough micronutrients in.
^^^ This x2.
Thanks a lot! Gonna be a bit annoying but that link you sent me was confusing as about calculating my macros. Did you read the diet plan? It was pretty detailed and has all different types of food on it (most which i like). Seemed legit...
^ That "secret" diet plan is, at best, terrible.
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982925853]Thanks a lot! Gonna be a bit annoying but that link you sent me was confusing as about calculating my macros. Did you read the diet plan? It was pretty detailed and has all different types of food on it (most which i like). Seemed legit...[/QUOTE]
It isn't confusing. Stop being lazy and trying to find easier, yet worse solutions.
If it's confusing at first, read it again.
Use the Katch McArdle formula. It's simple maths. That will find you your TDEE.
Then you need 1g per lb of lean body mass for protein, 0.45g per lb of total body mass for fat, then you can fill remaing calories with any macro or combination of macros you wish.
Protein = 4 cals per gram
Fat = 9 cals per gram
Carbs = 4 cals per gram
If you still have trouble, come back.
BMR = 370 + (21.6 x LBM)...is the 370 and 21.6 used for everyone? if so then i got: 2028.88 (my LBM was 76.8 - not sure if that's right)
So my protein should be: 1 x 76.8?
fat = 0.45 x (total body mass? is that BMI)
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982943373]BMR = 370 + (21.6 x LBM)...is the 370 and 21.6 used for everyone? if so then i got: 2028.88 (my LBM was 76.8 - not sure if that's right)
So my protein should be: 1 x 76.8?
fat = 0.45 x (total body mass? is that BMI)[/QUOTE]
Let's start with the BMR... BMR is what you burn if you are in a vegetative state, doing nothing. To arrive at your TDEE (total daily energy expenditure), you have a list of activity factors there (in the sticky) which you multiply that BMR by, to arrive at your TDEE. This activity factor includes your daily life; hard labour job, any sport, weight lifting, sitting at a desk, etc.
At 169lbs, 5ft9 with no real muscle mass, I would guess your bf% to be around 15%. Therefore, this would make your LBM around 144lbs.
But get your TDEE sorted first, then we'll do your protein and fat needs.
Okay...
BMR = 1863.1 using this formula (http ://www . superskinnyme. com/calculate-tdee.html) - cant link so spaced
TDEE = 1863.1 x (activity factor - now i am a uni student so don't do anything but study - however, now i have been going gym 4-5 times a week for the past week - so what should i put my activity factor as?)
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982955403]Okay...
BMR = 1863.1 using this formula (http ://www . superskinnyme. com/calculate-tdee.html) - cant link so spaced
TDEE = 1863.1 x (activity factor - now i am a uni student so don't do anything but study - however, now i have been going gym 4-5 times a week for the past week - so what should i put my activity factor as?)[/QUOTE]
You already had your BMR calculated from that sticky do I don't know why you re-did it with another website. But anyway ...
Go to the sticky and look at the activity factors like I said and decide for yourself which one you fit into. These are just estimates anyway. They may be 100-300 cals too high or too low; you need to monitor your weight over the next month to see if you need to knock off or add on any cals each day.
Found the other sight more clearer. As i am going gym 4-5 times a week then i would use:
1.5-1.6 = Moderately Active (Moderately daily Activity & Moderate exercise 3-5 days a week)
So: 1863.1 x 1.6 = 2980.96 (gonna round it up to 3000)! So my TDEE is 3000 what do i do now.
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982974293]Found the other sight more clearer. As i am going gym 4-5 times a week then i would use:
1.5-1.6 = Moderately Active (Moderately daily Activity & Moderate exercise 3-5 days a week)
So: 1863.1 x 1.6 = 2980.96 (gonna round it up to 3000)! So my TDEE is 3000 what do i do now.[/QUOTE]
You should clean bulk IMO.
So you need to add 10-20% cals on to that; but this is very important ... [B]monitor your weight increase...that TDEE is just an estimate after all so you should monitor your first month regularly[/B].
Personally I feel you're overestimating your activity factor but don't worry; monitor your first week and if you're gaining too much weight, back off 100-200 cals, and so forth. It is a long road after all, so trial and error during the early stages is not a problem.
Once you have added your 10-20% cals to your TDEE, then you have cal allowance each day for your clean bulking phase.
Now you need to understand how much protein and fat you need; simple.
- Protein should be 1g per lb of lean body mass (you need to estimate your bf% to know your LBM)
- Fat should be 0.45g per lb of total body mass.
Protein is 4 cals per gram, fat is 9 cals per gram and carbs are 4 cals per gram.
Once you have worked out those protein and fat minimums, you can fill your remaining cal space (bulking cals - fat&protein cals) with either carbs, more protein, more fat or any combination... that's your choice.
my bf% is 18.57% (18.57% of 77 = 62.7)....So my LBM is 62.7
- (so the protein i need is 1g x 62.7?)
- is total body mass my overall weight (77kg)?
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982987243]
- (so the protein i need is 1g x 62.7?)[/QUOTE]No.
You need ~1 gram of protein per pound, not kg, of lean body mass.
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982987243]my bf% is 18.57% (18.57% of 77 = 62.7)....So my LBM is 62.7
- (so the protein i need is 1g x 62.7?)
- is total body mass my overall weight (77kg)?[/QUOTE]
Pal, we're working in lbs for this, not kg! To work out protein and fat, the general conensus and easiest way, is to deal with your weight in pounds (lbs).
So at 18% body fat, your LBM is 140lbs. So you need 140g of protein as a minimum.
And yes, total body mass is your total weight...jesus man haha ... so that's 0.45 x 169 = 76g fat as a minimum.
Work out what those come to in calories; protein is 4 cals per gram, and fat is 9 cals per gram (and carbs are 4 cals per gram).
Once you've worked out what your needed protein and fat intake comes to, you can fill the remaining space with any macros you prefer.
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982987243]my bf% is 18.57% (18.57% of 77 = 62.7)....So my LBM is 62.7
- (so the protein i need is 1g x 62.7?)
- is total body mass my overall weight (77kg)?[/QUOTE]
Its 1gr per lbs not on each kg. By 2-2,5 gram for 1 kg
**** i suck at math...I'm use to kg's not pounds! But thanks heaps bro! Appreciate the help...I should be sweet for the rest
[QUOTE=Swifty5;982992093]**** i suck at math...I'm use to kg's not pounds! But thanks heaps bro! Appreciate the help...I should be sweet for the rest[/QUOTE]
Good luck.
I was used to kg at first being a Brit... But you find a lot of stuff you get online is of an American origin which deals more with lbs.
That's my theory anyway... Just get used to working in lbs.
Just want some advice on my clean bulk I'm very lean (5-7%body fat) just came off a cut. 6'3 172lbs 21 years old
this is excluding my multi vitamin, fish oil, vitamin c, d, magnesium, etc
breakfast
scoop of protein powder
oat bran
blueberries
bcac+glutamine
583 cal 63g protein
Lunch
sweet potato
yogurt+banana
400 cal 22.6gs protein
Pre workout shake
protein powder
pre workout
bcaa+glutamine
orange
apple
285cal 27.5g protein
Post workout shake
protein powder
casein powder
bcaa+glutamine
(plain white potatoes baked on the side)
393cal 40g protein
Meal (one hour after shake)
quinoa
chicken
brocolli
green bean, yellow bean and carrot mix
onion
mushroom
spinach
670cal 49g protein
Next meal ( i usually get creative)
either protein cheesecake,
protein muffins,
protein cookies etc
using casein protein
564cal 58g protein
Total 2900 calories 260g protein