Question: Mass Gain

Hi, iwe tried to bulk since August last year with gainers on 1440 calories 70g protein 290g carbs iwe used about 4bags on 5.5kg each 2shakes a day with a massive amount of food to that but still haven't gained a pound iwe almost lost about 1,2kg...
And this morning I had a thought that maybe if I go for some definition a while now burn some fat and lower my intake kinda big (not that I think I need to aim for definition right now since my 12.1% BF serves me well) and after that I go on a new bulk, do you think this will do any good or just ruin my body?

[QUOTE=PierreLahi;1030323963]Hi, iwe tried to bulk since August last year with gainers on 1440 calories 70g protein 290g carbs iwe used about 4bags on 5.5kg each 2shakes a day with a massive amount of food to that but still haven't gained a pound iwe almost lost about 1,2kg...
And this morning I had a thought that maybe if I go for some definition a while now burn some fat and lower my intake kinda big (not that I think I need to aim for definition right now since my 12.1% BF serves me well) and after that I go on a new bulk, do you think this will do any good or just ruin my body?[/QUOTE]

I have a mass building program and diet if you are interested PM me.

Don't waste your money on weight gainer. Buy whole foods and eat. Do resistance training. If you are doing a ton of cardio, cut it down alittle and see if that helps you put on weight.

I use milk, 2 scoops of chocolate protein powder, a cup of oatmeal, scoop of peanut butter, and half a banana (optional) and blend it up. Chug it down 1-3 times a day when bulking. Keep your diet before bulking about the same possibly up your food intake still but this will add anywhere from 600-1100 extra calories a day per shake. I use the magic bullet and I would highly recommend that blender to everyone. Give this a try as its very inexpensive and very effective as a mass gain shake.

Stop counting calories and protein, eat shtloads of real food. Lift heavy sht.

Do this. [list][*]for breakfast, eat 2 cups oats + 1 cup milk + 2 tbsp honey, and then 6 scrambled eggs[*]for morning tea, a piece of fruit and a glass of milk[*]for lunch, a roast chicken breast and 2 cups mixed vegies and 1 cup potatoes, and a glass of milk[*]for after tea, a piece of fruit and a glass of milk[*]for dinner, a 220-350g steak, 2 cups mixed vegies and 2 cups rice, and a glass of milk[*]just before bed, two peanut butter sandwiches and a glass of milk[/list]Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday, do this,[list][*]barbell back squat, 3 warmup sets with gradually ascending weight for 5 reps each, then the top weight for 20 reps. Start with the empty bar (20kg). If you do 20 reps, next time add 1.25kg to each side, ie 2.5kg total. If you fail, try again next time until you do it. [*]barbell bench press, 3 warmup sets with gradually ascending weight for 5 reps each, then the top weight for 3 sets of 5 reps. Start with the empty bar. If you do 5,5,5, next time add 2.5kg. If you fail, try again next time until you do it.[*]chinups. Start with 5 reps total, go easy, get them out in however long it takes you, no need to grind. For example, whether it's 5 in one go, 3 then 2, or 2,1,1,1 or whatever, doesn't matter. Next time, add 1 to your total making it 6. Keep going until you can do 30 total.[/list]Do this for 8 weeks (24 workouts) then get back to us. IF AND ONLY IF you have been eating right, you'll have no stalls, and should be squatting 77.5kg x20, benching 77.5kg for 5,5,5, doing 30 total chinups and therefore 5 or so in one go, be several kilograms heavier and ready for other challenges.

If you do not do this, then do not return to speak to us again.

[QUOTE=KyleAaron;1030560503]Stop counting calories and protein, eat shtloads of real food. Lift heavy sht.

Do this. [list][*]for breakfast, eat 2 cups oats + 1 cup milk + 2 tbsp honey, and then 6 scrambled eggs[*]for morning tea, a piece of fruit and a glass of milk[*]for lunch, a roast chicken breast and 2 cups mixed vegies and 1 cup potatoes, and a glass of milk[*]for after tea, a piece of fruit and a glass of milk[*]for dinner, a 220-350g steak, 2 cups mixed vegies and 2 cups rice, and a glass of milk[*]just before bed, two peanut butter sandwiches and a glass of milk[/list]Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday, do this,[list][*]barbell back squat, 3 warmup sets with gradually ascending weight for 5 reps each, then the top weight for 20 reps. Start with the empty bar (20kg). If you do 20 reps, next time add 1.25kg to each side, ie 2.5kg total. If you fail, try again next time until you do it. [*]barbell bench press, 3 warmup sets with gradually ascending weight for 5 reps each, then the top weight for 3 sets of 5 reps. Start with the empty bar. If you do 5,5,5, next time add 2.5kg. If you fail, try again next time until you do it.[*]chinups. Start with 5 reps total, go easy, get them out in however long it takes you, no need to grind. For example, whether it's 5 in one go, 3 then 2, or 2,1,1,1 or whatever, doesn't matter. Next time, add 1 to your total making it 6. Keep going until you can do 30 total.[/list]Do this for 8 weeks (24 workouts) then get back to us. IF AND ONLY IF you have been eating right, you'll have no stalls, and should be squatting 77.5kg x20, benching 77.5kg for 5,5,5, doing 30 total chinups and therefore 5 or so in one go, be several kilograms heavier and ready for other challenges.

If you do not do this, then do not return to speak to us again.[/QUOTE]

Every time I read one of your responses it makes me smile.

You'll get more smiles. He won't do it, then he'll return to complain he's not getting results. Then I'll have more responses.

I get this all the time in my work gym. "I didn't follow your advice, and I didn't get the results you promised. Obviously your advice was no good."

1.5g protein/lb of bodyweight. Add carbs according to what you can handle without putting on fat. Post workout shake is essential and BCAA during workout. For Training if your a beginner do GVT.

Too complicated, bigballin.

[QUOTE=PierreLahi;1030323963]Hi, iwe tried to bulk since August last year with gainers on 1440 calories 70g protein 290g carbs iwe used about 4bags on 5.5kg each 2shakes a day with a massive amount of food to that but still haven't gained a pound iwe almost lost about 1,2kg...
And this morning I had a thought that maybe if I go for some definition a while now burn some fat and lower my intake kinda big (not that I think I need to aim for definition right now since my 12.1% BF serves me well) and after that I go on a new bulk, do you think this will do any good or just ruin my body?[/QUOTE]
(290+70)x4 = 1440. So, we're to believe that you're consuming 0g fat? I find that highly unlikely.

You claim to be consuming weight gainers and a "massive amount of food." I don't know what your idea of "massive" is, but if I want to I can sit down and stand up 2,000kcal later. It won't be a healthy 2,000kcal, but that's beside the point. I think you need to be consuming at least 1,000kcal more, preferably made up of real foods, as oppose to the stuff I eat when I want 2,000kcal in a sitting.

[QUOTE=KyleAaron;1030560503]Stop counting calories and protein, eat shtloads of real food. Lift heavy sht.

Do this. [list][*]for breakfast, eat 2 cups oats + 1 cup milk + 2 tbsp honey, and then 6 scrambled eggs[*]for morning tea, a piece of fruit and a glass of milk[*]for lunch, a roast chicken breast and 2 cups mixed vegies and 1 cup potatoes, and a glass of milk[*]for after tea, a piece of fruit and a glass of milk[*]for dinner, a 220-350g steak, 2 cups mixed vegies and 2 cups rice, and a glass of milk[*]just before bed, two peanut butter sandwiches and a glass of milk[/list]Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday, do this,[list][*]barbell back squat, 3 warmup sets with gradually ascending weight for 5 reps each, then the top weight for 20 reps. Start with the empty bar (20kg). If you do 20 reps, next time add 1.25kg to each side, ie 2.5kg total. If you fail, try again next time until you do it. [*]barbell bench press, 3 warmup sets with gradually ascending weight for 5 reps each, then the top weight for 3 sets of 5 reps. Start with the empty bar. If you do 5,5,5, next time add 2.5kg. If you fail, try again next time until you do it.[*]chinups. Start with 5 reps total, go easy, get them out in however long it takes you, no need to grind. For example, whether it's 5 in one go, 3 then 2, or 2,1,1,1 or whatever, doesn't matter. Next time, add 1 to your total making it 6. Keep going until you can do 30 total.[/list]Do this for 8 weeks (24 workouts) then get back to us. IF AND ONLY IF you have been eating right, you'll have no stalls, and should be squatting 77.5kg x20, benching 77.5kg for 5,5,5, doing 30 total chinups and therefore 5 or so in one go, be several kilograms heavier and ready for other challenges.

If you do not do this, then do not return to speak to us again.[/QUOTE]
You're making me a happy man tonight, Kyle.

I aim to please.

I just looked at his posted stats. 6'3", 168 lbs.

Dear God, have mercy on this poor lad! Please amend the above: double all the food.

[QUOTE=KyleAaron;1030587503]

I get this all the time in my work gym. "I didn't follow your advice, and I didn't get the results you promised. Obviously your advice was no good."[/QUOTE]

argh so much this.

[QUOTE=KyleAaron;1030608773]Too complicated, bigballin.[/QUOTE]

Ha, I know Ill try to simplify it further next time for the rooks.

[QUOTE=PierreLahi;1030323963]Hi, iwe tried to bulk since August last year with gainers on 1440 calories 70g protein 290g carbs iwe used about 4bags on 5.5kg each 2shakes a day with a massive amount of food to that but still haven't gained a pound iwe almost lost about 1,2kg...
And this morning I had a thought that maybe if I go for some definition a while now burn some fat and lower my intake kinda big (not that I think I need to aim for definition right now since my 12.1% BF serves me well) and after that I go on a new bulk, do you think this will do any good or just ruin my body?[/QUOTE]
Lets keep this simples. Mass Gainers have a lot of ingredients in them that you cannot get from whole foods. Simple enough, dont waste money on weight gainers.

Make your own

So good to read posts from PT's who have a fukking clue

To gain weight, you simply need to consume more than you burn. Some adolescents have a difficult time adding enough weight to fill out your frame and make take some time.



[I]. Whether you count calories or not is a personal choice. If you haven't been counting total intake, I would consider it to at least get an idea of where you are at. Adding more calories to your weekly average when you are not gaining.

. Your food choices should be based on preferences and when and how often you eat should be based on your lifestyle. Calorie dense foods (high fat) can help meet caloric needs.

. Be consistent and patient adding weight can be a slow process.[/I]



For programs, I would consider looking through this thread. There are a variety of great programs to choose from.

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115643271[/url]








And try to ignore the negativity.