Who do you reckon deserves a Mr Olympia title more? Shawn, Kevin or Flex

For me:

FDB - Shawn (only because of the torn biceps)
BDB - Dorian
FLS - Dorian
RLS - Dorian
Side chest - Dorian
Side tri - Dorian
Ab thigh - Shawn
MM - Shawn

If Dorian and Coleman did not exist.. do you guys think the Mr.O would have been passed around like a hot potato or do you think the first one of them to grab it would go on to dominate the 90's?

[QUOTE=ChrisMisc;1095953493]If Dorian and Coleman did not exist.. do you guys think the Mr.O would have been passed around like a hot potato or do you think the first one of them to grab it would go on to dominate the 90's?[/QUOTE]

Logic and sense would say it'd be passed around until Cutler, but you never know with the IFBB.

Plus, for all we know Haney might have decided to go for another few without Dorian biting at his arse.

[QUOTE=ChrisMisc;1095953493]If Dorian and Coleman did not exist.. do you guys think the Mr.O would have been passed around like a hot potato or do you think the first one of them to grab it would go on to dominate the 90's?[/QUOTE]
Tough to say. I do think Wheeler would have grabbed a couple of years minimum. After that......who knows.

[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1095955803]Logic and sense would say it'd be passed around until Cutler, but you never know with the IFBB.

Plus, for all we know Haney might have decided to go for another few without Dorian biting at his arse.[/QUOTE]
Shawn Ray would've beaten Haney
Same with 1993 Flex

Ray would never have been a Mr olympia, he was strategically placed in second. Imagine Flex, nasser and Lev coming second all the time. Now that would have been a disaster.

[QUOTE=jld010;1096144843]Imagine Flex, nasser and Lev coming second all the time. Now that would have been a disaster.[/QUOTE]In terms of what exactly.

Not an easy decision but I say Shawn Ray due to his consistency. I may be wrong but I can never remember a single show where he wasn't at least Top 3 material. In addition during his era they were still rewarding lines and symmetry more so then today. His mass should have been enough to get the trophy at least once. Flex and Levrone were amazing but a bit more inconsistent imo, but they probably each had individual showings that would beat Shawn.

I cannot believe it is this close. Ray is almost perfect, but just too short, which SHOULD be held against a bodybuilder. It is all about genetic superiority after all.

Levrone had a weak back and this chest would get overpowered by his delts and tris.

Flex was perfect, conditioned, insane muscle bellies and fullness. He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. Later on, Ronnie got too good.

[QUOTE=TropicalSunset;1096186803]
He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. [/QUOTE]

sigh.

No he wouldn't, because other judges who know how to judge would still have ronnie in front of flex, obviously, and your 'vote' would be meaningless.

Flex was recently asked in MD if he thought that if he had better condition (his 98 AC condition) in the 98 O, would he be able to beat ronnie. His answer was no.

[QUOTE=TropicalSunset;1096186803]I cannot believe it is this close. Ray is almost perfect, but just too short, which SHOULD be held against a bodybuilder. It is all about genetic superiority after all.

Levrone had a weak back and this chest would get overpowered by his delts and tris.

Flex was perfect, conditioned, insane muscle bellies and fullness. He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. Later on, Ronnie got too good.[/QUOTE]

Flex actually stated plenty of times his chest needed to be bigger for his delts and arms. His lats were also a bit high but that in-turn made his waist appear smaller. In terms of physique and completeness, Shawn comes out on top 100%. His height was his only downfall, which couldn't be helped. With that said, he built the best body for himself that he possible could, which is more than the other 2 could say, having visible flaws in their physique.

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1095860693]Imagine Ray 20lbs heavier......would have been interesting.[/QUOTE]

Also, if he was a few inches taller.

all of you can go on and on about how beautiful, Rays lines were, his proportions, his conditioning...etc.... the facts are simple, he was shade over 5ft6, he was 215 pounds at his absolute heaviest, always around 210. He was never ever ever ever never going to win an Olympia. Its so easy, so blatantly easy to see the direction bodyvuilding was going. You are never going to have a miniature 210 pounder winning a contest against the massmonsters of that era. So place him second, and put distance between Yates and the rest, so that you cant critique the placings. Ray made no0 improvements, had he got up to 225-230, now thats another story. Kinda like Dex. Dex trumps Ray.

[QUOTE=jld010;1096250053]all of you can go on and on about how beautiful, Rays lines were, his proportions, his conditioning...etc.... the facts are simple, he was shade over 5ft6, he was 215 pounds at his absolute heaviest, always around 210. He was never ever ever ever never going to win an Olympia. Its so easy, so blatantly easy to see the direction bodyvuilding was going. You are never going to have a miniature 210 pounder winning a contest against the massmonsters of that era. So place him second, and put distance between Yates and the rest, so that you cant critique the placings. Ray made no0 improvements, had he got up to 225-230, now thats another story. Kinda like Dex. Dex trumps Ray.[/QUOTE]

You do realize Dex lies about his weight, right? Dex tries to act like he is 230-240, but he isn't. Look at it this way, Jay was in the 240's in 01 and 09, Ronnie won his first Olympia in the 240's. Levrone and Flex both competed in the 240's. All of these guys including Dex was conditioned, yet Dex was 3 inches shorter AT LEAST vs these guys and weighed within 10lbs.. Yeah right.

Lastly, Ray beat his competition fair and square. We all know your Dillet obsessed and Ray is the opposite of that, but it's no reason to get upset that your favorite struggled for top 6 despite being tall and wide whereas Ray was short and narrow getting 2nd. Ray often was the most conditioned on stage along with Dorian. He also had the BEST shape and lines and top tier posing. It's not hard to give Ray the nod over less complete, softer athletes even if they are bigger.

[QUOTE=T3mpest;1096255403]You do realize Dex lies about his weight, right? Dex tries to act like he is 230-240, but he isn't. Look at it this way, Jay was in the 240's in 01 and 09, Ronnie won his first Olympia in the 240's. Levrone and Flex both competed in the 240's. All of these guys including Dex was conditioned, yet Dex was 3 inches shorter AT LEAST vs these guys and weighed within 10lbs.. Yeah right.

Lastly, Ray beat his competition fair and square. We all know your Dillet obsessed and Ray is the opposite of that, but it's no reason to get upset that your favorite struggled for top 6 despite being tall and wide whereas Ray was short and narrow getting 2nd. Ray often was the most conditioned on stage along with Dorian. He also had the BEST shape and lines and top tier posing. It's not hard to give Ray the nod over less complete, softer athletes even if they are bigger.[/QUOTE]

IDC for Dillett placings, he was a Weider boy who sold tickets. a freak, in pure bb terms, he shouldnt have made top 6, maybe only in 93/94. please dont act like an idiot.

[QUOTE=TropicalSunset;1096186803]I cannot believe it is this close. Ray is almost perfect, but just too short, which SHOULD be held against a bodybuilder. It is all about genetic superiority after all.

Levrone had a weak back and this chest would get overpowered by his delts and tris.

Flex was perfect, conditioned, insane muscle bellies and fullness. He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. Later on, Ronnie got too good.[/QUOTE]

Most of the Champions have been under 6'0. 5'9-5'11... Arnold's height was embellished at 6'2 he was between 6-6'1. How tall is Phil? isn't he 5'6-5'7?

Phil is 5'9.

[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1096274003]Phil is 5'9.[/QUOTE]

I plead ignorance but he appears shorter then 5'9 to me. And honestly if they awarding multiple Sandow tropheys to bodybuilders around 5'9 then giving one to someone 5'6 should not be a stretch.

[QUOTE=hfce354;1096284733]I plead ignorance but he appears shorter then 5'9 to me. And honestly if they awarding multiple Sandow tropheys to bodybuilders around 5'9 then giving one to someone 5'6 should not be a stretch.[/QUOTE]

Well he is. And Dex is about 5'6/7 i believe

[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1096300663]Well he is. And Dex is about 5'6/7 i believe[/QUOTE]
Have you met Dexter? Phil?

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1096326663]Have you met Dexter? Phil?[/QUOTE]

What the f*ck does that have to do with knowing their stats? How the hell are you still green?

[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1096367083]What the f*ck does that have to do with knowing their stats? How the hell are you still green?[/QUOTE]

I think he is trying to suggest that Billed heights are usually embellished. 5'9 is usually 5'7-5'8...

[QUOTE=TropicalSunset;1096186803] He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. Later on, Ronnie got too good.[/QUOTE]

I was there and many around me thought the same way. problem was, the judges had seen flex in better shape (earlier that year when he was godlike at the AC) while Ronnie looked miles ahead of any version of himself he ever presented.

[QUOTE=hfce354;1096387143]I think he is trying to suggest that Billed heights are usually embellished. 5'9 is usually 5'7-5'8...[/QUOTE]

Based on his post history he's just being an argumentative little prick. There are numerous confirmations that Phil is a legit 5'9.

[QUOTE=hfce354;1096387143]I think he is trying to suggest that Billed heights are usually embellished. 5'9 is usually 5'7-5'8...[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Somebody's very edgy.
Also, I met Dexter and he is 5'6" at best....lol

[QUOTE=TropicalSunset;1096186803]I cannot believe it is this close. Ray is almost perfect, but just too short, which SHOULD be held against a bodybuilder. It is all about genetic superiority after all.

Levrone had a weak back and this chest would get overpowered by his delts and tris.

Flex was perfect, conditioned, insane muscle bellies and fullness. He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. Later on, Ronnie got too good.[/QUOTE]
That is the only time I have ever heard that Ronnie didn't deserve to win in 1998. That was as flawless and freaky as a human could get.

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1096415543]Exactly. Somebody's very edgy.
Also, I met Dexter and he is 5'6" at best....lol[/QUOTE]

Could have just led with that then, instead of asking questions with obvious answers.

[QUOTE=Larfleeze;1096444593]Could have just led with that then, instead of asking questions with obvious answers.[/QUOTE]
You looked like an idiot and it's my fault?

[QUOTE=trulyhuge1;1096456503]You looked like an idiot and it's my fault?[/QUOTE]

You calling someone an idiot? Wow.

And for the record, I hardly looked like an idiot. You ARE an argumentative little prick.

[QUOTE=TropicalSunset;1096186803]I cannot believe it is this close. Ray is almost perfect, but just too short, which SHOULD be held against a bodybuilder. It is all about genetic superiority after all.

Levrone had a weak back and this chest would get overpowered by his delts and tris.

Flex was perfect, conditioned, insane muscle bellies and fullness. He should have won over Ronnie in 98 and would have if I was judging. Later on, Ronnie got too good.[/QUOTE]

Levrone had a weak BDB. Flex had weak RLS. Most of the competitions Flex's lower body was soft. And from the front the only pose he has on Levrone is FDB. Propably the only Olympia Flex could have won is 1993.
My opinion.