so usp labs just released the ingredient profile
what do you guys think about it?
is it worth buying? its 19.99 plus free shipping
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so usp labs just released the ingredient profile
what do you guys think about it?
is it worth buying? its 19.99 plus free shipping
[QUOTE=marky1209;1100044603]so usp labs just released the ingredient profile
what do you guys think about it?
is it worth buying? its 19.99 plus free shipping[/QUOTE]
I say yes, Im giving it a try. Its priority shipping too.
You talkin about Jack3d micro? I went through a couple tubs when it first came out and it didn't give me that crazy focus or anything but I did notice that my endurance was through the roof. I actually just ordered another tub to stack it with caffeine free focus xt...thinking it should be a pretty good combo.
[QUOTE=marky1209;1100044603]so usp labs just released the ingredient profile
what do you guys think about it?
is it worth buying? its 19.99 plus free shipping[/QUOTE]
Don't know, it has some novel ingredients in it that looks like they have mostly anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant properties. Apart from that, it just looks like C4 (caffeine + nitrates) but with yohimbe. So honestly, I'm not expecting too big of a leap in performance from this new Advanced formula compared to even the micro. Definitely does not look comparable to the original Jack3d.
[QUOTE=kissdadookie;1100054373]Don't know, it has some novel ingredients in it that looks like they have mostly anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant properties. Apart from that, it just looks like C4 (caffeine + nitrates) but with yohimbe. So honestly, I'm not expecting too big of a leap in performance from this new Advanced formula compared to even the micro. Definitely does not look comparable to the original Jack3d.[/QUOTE]
I hate seeing Yohimbe in a pre workout. I respond terrible to that chit and so do many others from what I understand.
[QUOTE=ZeroInitiativE;1100054303]You talkin about Jack3d micro? I went through a couple tubs when it first came out and it didn't give me that crazy focus or anything but I did notice that my endurance was through the roof. I actually just ordered another tub to stack it with caffeine free focus xt...thinking it should be a pretty good combo.[/QUOTE]
Nah its just called Jack3d advanced. Its the new version of Jack3d without DMAA
[QUOTE=ZeroInitiativE;1100055503]I hate seeing Yohimbe in a pre workout. I respond terrible to that chit and so do many others from what I understand.[/QUOTE]
I like yohimbe. Helps me get a real nice sweat going, but I've heard how a lot of people can't tolerate it at all.
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[QUOTE=ZeroInitiativE;1100055503]I hate seeing Yohimbe in a pre workout. I respond terrible to that chit and so do many others from what I understand.[/QUOTE]
i yakked all over my gym lockeroom after taking that muscletech one that has it in it
never again
Shares some similarities with PES Enhanced without as much emphasis on the cognitive boosters or pumps and some fluff ala creatine and beta alanine.
TLDR:
Buy Enhanced, profit.
Decided to give it a try since its only 20 bucks. Im not expecting much from the ingredient profile though.
I'm not going to purchase it, even though its at that price right now for Inner Circle.. Doesn't look to me like it will be anywhere near the original Jack3d, but that's expected, and maybe just slightly better than Micro which I wasn't a fan of at all
Honestly I'm not impressed and It's a no buy for me. I feel like people are just gonna buy it cause it's JACK3D and it has a big name but I'm sure it wont live up to it's name
[QUOTE=PochoStrong;1100171493]Honestly I'm not impressed and It's a no buy for me. I feel like people are just gonna buy it cause it's JACK3D and it has a big name but I'm sure it wont live up to it's name[/QUOTE]
This does seem to be a case of releasing a product with the same name and calling it "Advanced" instead of actually saying "Hey, we used to use DMAA and it worked really well for a lot of people but we have to take it out. This is the reformulated product."
Are they giving up on micro already? I don't understand this. But I was never a big fan of og jackd and didn't bother to try micro.
I've read it and I'll let others test this out first. I'm worried about the Yohimbe, because I tend to react poorly to a lot of stuff and puking/discomfort is not on the top of my list for anything.
[QUOTE=BogusForLife;1100061893]Shares some similarities with PES Enhanced without as much emphasis on the cognitive boosters or pumps and some fluff ala creatine and beta alanine.
TLDR:
Buy Enhanced, profit.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
[QUOTE=55mspecialist;1100151843]Decided to give it a try since its only 20 bucks. Im not expecting much from the ingredient profile though.[/QUOTE]
Same. Will post a review once I take 1 or 1.5 servings a few times. I never bought a tub of Micro, but I did get a sample packet of it with a bb.com order. Don't recall anything fascinating about it, so I'm interested in seeing how the "Advanced" one is...I just wish more companies would at least list the amounts of some of the ingredients like creatine, beta-alanine, etc (props to MuscleTech, Cellucor, etc for doing this)
[QUOTE=BoilerUpIndy;1100196073]Same. Will post a review once I take 1 or 1.5 servings a few times. I never bought a tub of Micro, but I did get a sample packet of it with a bb.com order. Don't recall anything fascinating about it, so I'm interested in seeing how the "Advanced" one is...I just wish more companies would at least list the amounts of some of the ingredients like creatine, beta-alanine, etc (props to MuscleTech, Cellucor, etc for doing this)[/QUOTE]
Having amounts of each ingredient clearly laid out is nice, but I understand why some companies don't do it. In this day and age it it is all too common for formulas to be copied. I am OK with prop blends for some things, but I agree that you need to know how much creatine, caffeine, etc. you are getting.
[QUOTE=BogusForLife;1100061893]Shares some similarities with PES Enhanced without as much emphasis on the cognitive boosters or pumps and some fluff ala creatine and beta alanine.
TLDR:
Buy Enhanced, profit.[/QUOTE]
They're sister companies
[QUOTE=Smoker145;1100202263]They're sister companies[/QUOTE]
I don't believe this is true. I believe they share licensing on some ingredients, but are in fact entirely separate companies.
They removed agmatine and citrulline, and added yohimbe and creatine... Mind blown.
Looks the exact same overall, minus some of the good ingredients that used to be in there.
[QUOTE=Smoker145;1100202263]They're sister companies[/QUOTE]
Is that why I was pissed off when I saw the formula?
[QUOTE=ZeroInitiativE;1100054303]You talkin about Jack3d micro? I went through a couple tubs when it first came out and it didn't give me that crazy focus or anything but I did notice that my endurance was through the roof. I actually just ordered another tub to stack it with caffeine free focus xt...thinking it should be a pretty good combo.[/QUOTE]
sounds good, I'll have to give it a try
[QUOTE=Dewey99;1100202843]I don't believe this is true. I believe they share licensing on some ingredients, but are in fact entirely separate companies.[/QUOTE]
Dewey is correct, we are not sister companies.
[QUOTE=Mr.Cooper69;1100203733]Is that why I was pissed off when I saw the formula?[/QUOTE]
Sibling rivalries can get intense. ;-)
how does it compare to Demon WP?
[QUOTE=Mr.Cooper69;1100203733]Is that why I was pissed off when I saw the formula?[/QUOTE]
Even with the higenamine (norcoclaurine) and swertia, I don't think it will be quite as effective as Enhanced. Enhanced is definitely one of my favorite pre's in terms of pumps and focus. I think the key ingredient that makes the big difference between this Jack3d Advance and Enhanced is the Cytidine 5’-diphosphocholine.
[QUOTE=Mr.Cooper69;1100203733]Is that why I was pissed off when I saw the formula?[/QUOTE]
I will not argue with you on the matter, because your intelligence level is far greater than mine but it's my belief you are.
[QUOTE=jcastil7;1100223113]Even with the higenamine (norcoclaurine) and swertia, I don't think it will be quite as effective as Enhanced. Enhanced is definitely one of my favorite pre's in terms of pumps and focus. I think the key ingredient that makes the big difference between this Jack3d Advance and Enhanced is the Cytidine 5’-diphosphocholine.[/QUOTE]
That's what I was thinking...Enhanced's profile still looks > than this new jack3d. I just wish I responded better to the johimbe...sucks I can't even tolerate that.