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If you are sleeping and awaking up like around 4am, is there any advantage to consume a low cal. protein supplement with WATER and then retiring back to bed. I want to know if this is good for keep my system with its nutritional needs and would like to know if it aids in bulking for muscle mass. Not having any food for at least 7 hours may not be good.
[QUOTE=Ironmind10;813681191]If you are sleeping and awaking up like around 4am, is there any advantage to consume a low cal. protein supplement with WATER and then retiring back to bed. I want to know if this is good for keep my system with its nutritional needs and would like to know if it aids in bulking for muscle mass. [B]Not having any food for at least 7 hours may not be good[/B].[/QUOTE]
^Not having food for 7 hours is absolutely fine.
Assuming that your overall diet is in check, and that you're hitting your targeted macronutrient intake, there's no magical advantage in consuming protein shakes at this odd hour.
sounds like someone haven't read the stickies yet. All good bro, just FYI, your body does not need proteins as often as the supplement companies told you.
[QUOTE=Ironmind10;813681191]If you are sleeping and awaking up like around 4am, is there any advantage to consume a low cal. protein supplement with WATER and then retiring back to bed. I want to know if this is good for keep my system with its nutritional needs and would like to know if it aids in bulking for muscle mass. Not having any food for at least 7 hours may not be good.[/QUOTE]
I would not bother with it. 7 hours is nothing. You are sleeping, not like you are awake and went 7 hours without eating.
[QUOTE=franko man;813684271]^Not having food for 7 hours is absolutely fine.
Assuming that your overall diet is in check, and that you're hitting your targeted macronutrient intake, there's no magical advantage in consuming protein shakes at this odd hour.
sounds like someone haven't read the stickies yet. All good bro, just FYI, your body does not need proteins as often as the supplement companies told you.[/QUOTE]
Only if you eat whole foods. Now whether it's a situational thing or a psychological thing, if you cannot eat whole foods, you will need more protein because you can't absorb as much. A gram of protein per pound of bw in whey protein is just not gonna cut it.
Disrupting your bodies sleep cycle to ingest protein will be anythung but benefical...
Thank you guys for your help. Good advice!
[QUOTE=hamworld05;813742511]Only if you eat whole foods. Now whether it's a situational thing or a psychological thing, if you cannot eat whole foods, you will need more protein because you can't absorb as much. A gram of protein per pound of bw in whey protein is just not gonna cut it.[/QUOTE]
This is wrong!^^
[QUOTE=Ironmind10;813681191]If you are sleeping and awaking up like around 4am, is there any advantage to consume a low cal. protein supplement with WATER and then retiring back to bed. I want to know if this is good for keep my system with its nutritional needs and would like to know if it aids in bulking for muscle mass. Not having any food for at least 7 hours may not be good.[/QUOTE]
Completely your preference, if it helps you to get back to sleep, then why not. If your are doing it simply because you think you are getting some sort of "anabolic affect" in order to illicit greater protein synthesis, or some such nonsense, then no, go back to sleep and eat when you are hungry.
Personally on nights I can't sleep a small glass of milk seems to help me, bout the only time I drink milk, usually about 6oz does it.
yes i've had good results doing this but the most important factor is to not interrupt your sleep. So i would NOT recommend setting an alarm just for the sake of having the shake; however, if you normally wake up anyway to go to the bathroom then yes have the shake
[QUOTE=JungleCat;813740561]I would not bother with it. 7 hours is nothing. You are sleeping, not like you are awake and went 7 hours without eating.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with not eating for 7 hours while you're awake either.
that what happens, I always awake for a bathroom stop. That being said, i thought taking a protein drink for 30 seconds would not matter too much.
[QUOTE=hamworld05;813742511]Only if you eat whole foods. Now whether it's a situational thing or a psychological thing, if you cannot eat whole foods, you will need more protein because you can't absorb as much. A gram of protein per pound of bw in whey protein is just not gonna cut it.[/QUOTE]
O rly?
[QUOTE=hamworld05;813742511]Only if you eat whole foods. Now whether it's a situational thing or a psychological thing, if you cannot eat whole foods, you will need more protein because you can't absorb as much. A gram of protein per pound of bw in whey protein is just not gonna cut it.[/QUOTE]
Its so weird that you are red!
[QUOTE=noaddedhormones;813743371]Disrupting your bodies sleep cycle to ingest protein will be anythung but benefical...[/QUOTE]
Yeah you grow while you're sleeping, disrupting the cycle seems like it's defeating the purpose
[QUOTE=Ka0s;814853021]O rly?[/QUOTE]
You cannot "bodybuild" on shakes totaling up to a gram of protein per pound of BW. But what do I know, I've never tried it before...
Considering that you are still digesting the eggs and sausage from your breakfast (a day before you went to bed) and absorbing the amino acids from the protein while you are sleeping... why would you think there would be a benefit to doing this? If you felt you did not get enough net protein for the day just drink your shake before bed.
[QUOTE=hamworld05;815977971]You cannot "bodybuild" on shakes totaling up to a gram of protein per pound of BW. But what do I know, I've never tried it before...[/QUOTE]
No one is advocating that but what I do know is that whey protein has the highest BV of any other protein.
So basically, you're incorrect.
I cherish my sleep way too much to wake up. I see your point about getting some extra protein in the middle of the night, but remember when your in your deep sleep your body is producing testosterone. I would suggest taking a time released Casein protein just before bed. It usually takes your body 4 to 6 hours to break down Casein protein. You could also take some ZMA to help you get your deep sleep and efficient test production. Best of both worlds!
[QUOTE=TigerStealth;814614431]yes i've had good results doing this but the most important factor is to not interrupt your sleep. So i would NOT recommend setting an alarm just for the sake of having the shake; however, if you normally wake up anyway to go to the bathroom then yes have the shake[/QUOTE]
This ^^^ guy,
Here's a small article for support [url]http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/bedtime.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=RugbyTank;816001141]This ^^^ guy,
Here's a small article for support [url]http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/bedtime.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Disregard nonsense.
[QUOTE=Apex702;815982871]No one is advocating that but what I do know is that whey protein has the highest BV of any other protein.
So basically, you're incorrect.[/QUOTE]
*is getting nitrogen balance tested* Will see if protein shakes make a difference.
I wouldn't take a chance anyway and just down 7 to 8 shakes just to make sure.
[QUOTE=Apex702;816004901]Disregard nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Disregard this nonsense, lack of explanation = ur'a trololol
[QUOTE=hamworld05;816041981]*is getting nitrogen balance tested* Will see if protein shakes make a difference. I wouldn't take a chance anyway and just down 7 to 8 shakes just to make sure.[/QUOTE]
The Biological Value of Specific Protein Sources
Chart 3A
B.V.
Whey 106-159
Egg 100
Cow's Milk 91
Casein 80
Soy 74
Beef 80
Fish 83
Chicken 79
Wheat Gluten 54
Kidney Beans 49
Source: [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anthony8.htm[/url]
I wouldn't consume all my protein from whey in 8 shakes, either, but dimissing it previously for the reasons you stated is incorrect.
[QUOTE=RugbyTank;816048561]Disregard this nonsense, lack of explanation = ur'a trololol[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html[/url]
Read number #4 and #6
[QUOTE=RugbyTank;816001141]This ^^^ guy,
Here's a small article for support [/QUOTE]
Good read, thanks for the post bro
[QUOTE=neefmoo;816121791]Good read, thanks for the post bro[/QUOTE]
Except that's its total BS.
I love when articles cite studies and never reference them for you to read for yourself.
[QUOTE=Apex702;816087871]The Biological Value of Specific Protein Sources
Chart 3A
B.V.
Whey 106-159
Egg 100
Cow's Milk 91
Casein 80
Soy 74
Beef 80
Fish 83
Chicken 79
Wheat Gluten 54
Kidney Beans 49
Source: [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anthony8.htm[/url]
I wouldn't consume all my protein from whey in 8 shakes, either, but dimissing it previously for the reasons you stated is incorrect.
[url]http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html[/url]
Read number #4 and #6[/QUOTE]
The BV 100+ thing is bs, the most it can be is "100 percent". I'm still obsessively getting my nitrogen balance tested.
We can mentally masturbate all day here, but you have to check [I]everything[/I]. What you are not getting might be the difference. All it takes is a missing nutrient to really slow down your progress.
[QUOTE=hamworld05;816352191]The BV 100+ thing is bs, the most it can be is "100 percent".[/QUOTE]You obviously have never watched [b][url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088258/]Spinal Tap[/b][/url].
[QUOTE=hamworld05;816352191]The BV 100+ thing is bs, the most it can be is "100 percent". I'm still obsessively getting my nitrogen balance tested.
We can mentally masturbate all day here, but you have to check [I]everything[/I]. What you are not getting might be the difference. All it takes is a missing nutrient to really slow down your progress.[/QUOTE]
There are percentages and then there are [i]other[/i] units of measurement - see [i]relative utilization[/i]. The simple fact is you claimed whey would not be absorbed by your body and thus would necessitate the need to overcompensate by eating more food. That is not correct.
[QUOTE=Apex702;816368321]There are percentages and then there are [i]other[/i] units of measurement - see [i]relative utilizationI[/i]. The simple fact is you claimed whey would not be absorbed by your body and thus would necessitate the need to overcompensate by eating more food. That is not correct.[/QUOTE]
You have to look at protein synthesis. What seems like enough protein from whey might not be enough. "Insufficient carbohydrate and fat consumption. To support protein synthesis, good quality fats and carbohydrates should be available for energy purposes. If one consumes primarily protein, without considering the importance of the other macronutrients, the body may metabolize protein for energy purposes, thus lowering the nitrogen balance - valuable amino acids will be shuttled to vital organs thus depriving the muscles of exactly what they need for growth."
from [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson75.htm[/url]
It could work, but everything else would have to be perfect. That's why sometimes bodybuilders will cut on a 250 gram protein diet.
[QUOTE=hamworld05;816620411]You have to look at protein synthesis. What seems like enough protein from whey might not be enough. "Insufficient carbohydrate and fat consumption. To support protein synthesis, good quality fats and carbohydrates should be available for energy purposes. If one consumes primarily protein, without considering the importance of the other macronutrients, the body may metabolize protein for energy purposes, thus lowering the nitrogen balance - valuable amino acids will be shuttled to vital organs thus depriving the muscles of exactly what they need for growth."
from [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson75.htm[/url]
It could work, but everything else would have to be perfect. That's why sometimes bodybuilders will cut on a 250 gram protein diet.[/QUOTE]
I think you have a serious misunderstanding of what is being conveyed.
He states consuming primarily protein is a reason for negative nitrogen balance - highly unlikely if you simply eat food.