Dont wanna know about surgery, just wanna know about the answer in the thread title
Dont wanna know about surgery, just wanna know about the answer in the thread title
Novedex XT! Don't use much, and don't use it any longer than you have to. 2 caps a day felt incredible for a few weeks, then I crashed with terrible lethargy and reduced libido. I still like it. Outside of the pecks hardened up, and all the fat went away in the nipple area, it didn't come back either. I thought I'd give it another run later. Right away, terrible lethargy and NO libido. Kinda scary. It reduces estrogen A LOT. I'd start with one cap per night and once your chest was looking good, I'd stop, and throw the bottle away. It has too many sides that last too long to be worth it as a regular sup. I did love it the first time though.
[QUOTE=Billton;477739231]Novedex XT! Don't use much, and don't use it any longer than you have to. 2 caps a day felt incredible for a few weeks, then I crashed with terrible lethargy and reduced libido. I still like it. Outside of the pecks hardened up, and all the fat went away in the nipple area, it didn't come back either. I thought I'd give it another run later. Right away, terrible lethargy and NO libido. Kinda scary. It reduces estrogen A LOT. I'd start with one cap per night and once your chest was looking good, I'd stop, and throw the bottle away. It has too many sides that last too long to be worth it as a regular sup. I did love it the first time though.[/QUOTE]
so it comes right back when you stop using it?? Forget that then.
[QUOTE=Billton;477739231]Novedex XT! Don't use much, and don't use it any longer than you have to. 2 caps a day felt incredible for a few weeks, then I crashed with terrible lethargy and reduced libido. I still like it. Outside of the pecks hardened up, and all the fat went away in the nipple area, [B] it didn't come back either. [/B]I thought I'd give it another run later. Right away, terrible lethargy and NO libido. Kinda scary. It reduces estrogen A LOT. I'd start with one cap per night and once your chest was looking good, I'd stop, and throw the bottle away. It has too many sides that last too long to be worth it as a regular sup. I did love it the first time though.[/QUOTE]
there you go.
there are lots of prescription meds that can reduce it but the sides can be harsh. i.e letro is very strong, I have heard great things about it drastically reducing gyno, the sides are bad though. Only buy pharm grade, you can find legit pharm sites using google. Go to prohormone forum and do some research on gyno, there is a huge amount of info there.
[QUOTE=dopamine72;477798511]there are lots of prescription meds that can reduce it but the sides can be harsh. i.e letro is very strong, I have heard great things about it drastically reducing gyno, the sides are bad though. Only buy pharm grade, you can find legit pharm sites using google. Go to prohormone forum and do some research on gyno, there is a huge amount of info there.[/QUOTE]
This. I've only heard of harsh pharmaceuticals reducing gyno, but not any natural AI's. Usually when people lose their pubertal "gyno" from AI's it's actually the fat that's on the chest area, not the actual gyno.
[QUOTE=IronLyfe;477599201]Dont wanna know about surgery, just wanna know about the answer in the thread title[/QUOTE]
Tamoxifen was run at 20mg for 6 to 12 weeks to fight pubescent gyno in one study I saw referenced recently on this board.
[b]"Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen.
Khan HN, Rampaul R, Blamey RW.
Professorial Unit of Surgery, Department of Surgery, Nottingham City Hospital, Nottingham NG5 1PB, UK. [email]hamimi@dsl.pipex.com[/email]
AIMS: We aimed to confirm suggestions that tamoxifen therapy alone may resolve physiological gynaecomastia.
METHODS: A prospective audit of the outcome of tamoxifen routinely given to men with physiological gynaecomastia was carried out at Nottingham. Men referred with gynaecomastia had clinical signs recorded, e.g., type (diffuse 'fatty' or retro-areolar 'lump'), size and possible aetiology. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20mg once daily for 6-12 weeks. On follow-up patients were assessed for complete resolution (CR), partial resolution where patient is satisfied with outcome (PR) or no resolution (NR). Success was either CR or PR.
RESULTS: Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. Median age was 31 (range 18-64). Tenderness was present in 25 (71%) cases. Sixteen men (45%) had 'fatty' gynaecomastia and 20 had 'lump' gynaecomastia. Tamoxifen resolved the mass in 30 patients (83.3%; CR=22, PR=8) and tenderness in 21 cases (84%; CR=0, PR=0). Lump gynaecomastia was more responsive to tamoxifen than the fatty type (100% vs. 62.5%; P=0.0041).
CONCLUSIONS: Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type. " [/b]
Hope that helps!
[QUOTE=acwild;477817411]Tamoxifen was run at 20mg for 6 to 12 weeks to fight pubescent gyno in one study I saw referenced recently on this board.
[b]"Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen.
Khan HN, Rampaul R, Blamey RW.
Professorial Unit of Surgery, Department of Surgery, Nottingham City Hospital, Nottingham NG5 1PB, UK. [email]hamimi@dsl.pipex.com[/email]
AIMS: We aimed to confirm suggestions that tamoxifen therapy alone may resolve physiological gynaecomastia.
METHODS: A prospective audit of the outcome of tamoxifen routinely given to men with physiological gynaecomastia was carried out at Nottingham. Men referred with gynaecomastia had clinical signs recorded, e.g., type (diffuse 'fatty' or retro-areolar 'lump'), size and possible aetiology. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20mg once daily for 6-12 weeks. On follow-up patients were assessed for complete resolution (CR), partial resolution where patient is satisfied with outcome (PR) or no resolution (NR). Success was either CR or PR.
RESULTS: Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. Median age was 31 (range 18-64). Tenderness was present in 25 (71%) cases. Sixteen men (45%) had 'fatty' gynaecomastia and 20 had 'lump' gynaecomastia. Tamoxifen resolved the mass in 30 patients (83.3%; CR=22, PR=8) and tenderness in 21 cases (84%; CR=0, PR=0). Lump gynaecomastia was more responsive to tamoxifen than the fatty type (100% vs. 62.5%; P=0.0041).
CONCLUSIONS: Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type. " [/b]
Hope that helps![/QUOTE]
Yeah thats what im gonna try, cant afford surgery. Have to turn to AI's and serms because its pissing me off. Reps on recharge.
I'm sure hoping SERM works. I have puberty gyno, looks a lot like your profile pic and I'm just about to get off hdrol and I'm using nolva (tamoxifen) for PCT. PLEASE PLEASE WORK!
Best of luck, it's a bit#%
[QUOTE=IronLyfe;477849071]Yeah thats what im gonna try, cant afford surgery. Have to turn to AI's and serms because its pissing me off. Reps on recharge.[/QUOTE]
Letrozole is considered the gold standard when it comes to gyno, might be better off trying it. Otherwise topical formestane is also an option.
[QUOTE=liquid_fire;477856771]Letrozole is considered the gold standard when it comes to gyno, might be better off trying it. Otherwise topical formestane is also an option.[/QUOTE]
Tamoxifen seems to be the most succesful for reducing puberty gyno. The study above shows it but yeah letro from what ive heard it awesome to, except it has more severe sides.
[QUOTE=XxGeTrIpPeDxX;477855871]I'm sure hoping SERM works. I have puberty gyno, looks a lot like your profile pic and I'm just about to get off hdrol and I'm using nolva (tamoxifen) for PCT. PLEASE PLEASE WORK!
Best of luck, it's a bit#%[/QUOTE]
keep me posted dude, ill prob throw you a pm in a few weeks. Its prob early but notice any difference yet?
[QUOTE=IronLyfe;477858601]keep me posted dude, ill prob throw you a pm in a few weeks. Its prob early but notice any difference yet?[/QUOTE]
I start PCT Wed. the 21st but I'll be sure tot let you know if I have luck or not. I got down to about 8% BF and hoped that would fix it-WRONG! It's annoying and demoralizing, have you purchased anything to use yet?
Novadex XT herd alot of people that said when they got on it started to reduce
Inhibit- e reduces estrogen
the best would probobly be
ESTRO EXTREME by SSL read up some good storys that seemed to of worked wonders
[QUOTE=liquid_fire;477856771]Letrozole is considered the gold standard when it comes to gyno, might be better off trying it. Otherwise topical formestane is also an option.[/QUOTE]
Letrozole is not something to play around with. Its extremely powerful and will straight wipe out all estrogen if not used correctly, resulting in no sex drive and extremely stiff joints.
Like you other thread....don't go Tamox.... GO TOREM (its a derivative of nolva and its way more powerful) if I can find studies on it i'll pull them up but they had a much better success rate with torem.
Also if you can go EVISTA. Studies show this to be by far the best at reducing gyno
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Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.
Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
[email]slawrence@cheo.on.ca[/email]
OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifene in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.
STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene).
RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.
CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.
PMID: 15238910 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
all i know is the stuff i posted works i know people that have went through it and used them products mostly ever other reply u get will be from people who copy and paste stuff they google and try to sound smart
gl bro
not sure why there needed to be another thread about this.
so far, hardy any difference at all. making a TINY notice of nips being smaller (prob. placebo)
[QUOTE=XxGeTrIpPeDxX;483117841]so far, hardy any difference at all. making a TINY notice of nips being smaller (prob. placebo)[/QUOTE]
how longs it been since you started?
started PCT? honestly i think my f'n nolva was garbage. Didn't get rid of very
MINOR gyno
anyone have any recent success then?
[QUOTE=XxGeTrIpPeDxX;492492351]started PCT? honestly i think my f'n nolva was garbage. Didn't get rid of very
MINOR gyno[/QUOTE]
so what you gonna do now then?