ThermoLife Presents... Andro Claus!!

[dvsness]

The ThermoChat will be proud to host MAN Sports' Androgenic as our guest speaker!
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r168/socalgyrl21/HotSanta.jpg

Place: http://*********************/
If you've never been, register now! We will be in the 'New Chat'.

Date: Monday, December 18

Time: 9pm, EST

Details: Andro and I would love it if you could all recommend some supplements and/or compounds you would like to see discussed in the chat. Please post any suggestions in this thread so that he can prepare!

[dito]

:o

[deserusan]

Cool...we can harass each other in real time. :)

I'd like him to discuss the following:

GAKIC
Rutaecarpine
Glycocyamine
Citrus natsudaidai Hayata
AAKG's effect on Ca2+ influx
Supplement Copycatting
Green Coffee Bean Extract
Eucalyptus oil
Patent Infringement
Creatine Hydroxy-citric acid

[dvsness]

Cool...we can harass each other in real time. :)

that would place you on the naughty list. ;)

[naturalguy]

Good guest

[dwm230000]

Looking forward to it.

[dvsness]

suggestions for supps you'd like to discuss? :)

[dito]

hmmm should be interesting.

[Nathan1]

Cool...we can harass each other in real time. :)

I'd like him to discuss the following:

GAKIC
Glycocyamine
AAKG's effect on Ca2+ influx
Supplement Copycatting
Green Coffee Bean Extract
Eucalyptus oil
Patent Infringement


Deserubump

[dexterium]

Cool...we can harass each other in real time. :)

I'd like him to discuss the following:

GAKIC
Rutaecarpine
Glycocyamine
Citrus natsudaidai Hayata
AAKG's effect on Ca2+ influx
Supplement Copycatting
Green Coffee Bean Extract
Eucalyptus oil
Patent Infringement
Creatine Hydroxy-citric acid

This is going to be heaven. I really want to attend. Mainly for the ingredient discussion, though.

I think we should also discuss:

supplements of the future/where the supplement industry is going to be in 10-20 years.
-will we be seeing our ingredients as pharmacological agents or will we still have the freedom? (things like cissus rx and anabolic-pump are potentials for pharmaceuticals).
-will different delivery systems be allowed for supplements in the future?

[Giggety Giggety]

Andro hoorray! I'm so excited:D, (No Homo) of course;).

[dvsness]

note edited date.

and bump for more input!

[chainsaw]

Is MAN still working on Blueprint?

[Androgenic]

Cool...we can harass each other in real time. :)

I'd like him to discuss the following:

GAKIC
Rutaecarpine
Glycocyamine
Citrus natsudaidai Hayata
AAKG's effect on Ca2+ influx
Supplement Copycatting
Green Coffee Bean Extract
Eucalyptus oil
Patent Infringement
Creatine Hydroxy-citric acid


Yikes. These are all loaded aren't they. I am not BK you know. Maybe some of those. The list can only be so long. Harass me...sure...don't hurt me.

[Androgenic]

Is MAN still working on Blueprint?

Nearly out. I do not want to talk about any MAN or Thermolife products in this chat. I do not pimp and I want to guru and I don't want to pimp or cause conflict regarding thermo either. Just intelligent talk and learning how to break formulations or compounds down. Hopefully I can illustrate study techniques too.

[dvsness]

Harass me...sure...don't hurt me.

can i hurt you?

[Giggety Giggety]

Nearly out. I do not want to talk about any MAN or Thermolife products in this chat. I do not pimp and I want to guru and I don't want to pimp or cause conflict regarding thermo either. Just intelligent talk and learning how to break formulations or compounds down. Hopefully I can illustrate study techniques too.

Thats why you are so great!

[Androgenic]

This is going to be heaven. I really want to attend. Mainly for the ingredient discussion, though.

I think we should also discuss:

supplements of the future/where the supplement industry is going to be in 10-20 years.
-will we be seeing our ingredients as pharmacological agents or will we still have the freedom? (things like cissus rx and anabolic-pump are potentials for pharmaceuticals).
-will different delivery systems be allowed for supplements in the future?

Interesting. I'd like to do that. But that is a whole other topic requiring just as much time. Maybe in round 2. I'd love to discuss future delivery methods. Hopefully, we can do another go-round. We can set this as discussion topic two, more the philosophical and bigger picture stuff.

I'd like to actually breakdown some real products in terms of formulations and how well they are put together. Please add some of those here. Again, no MAN or Thermolife.

[Androgenic]

can i hurt you?

You probably could hurt me. I've only seen Over the Top once. Ness told me she watches it daily for pointers and inspiration. I am scared sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u97ZCgcSAWc

[deserusan]

You probably could hurt me. I've only seen Over the Top once. Ness told me she watches it daily for pointers and inspiration. I am scared sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u97ZCgcSAWc

I think this is what she was implying...Ness being the chihuahua

http://www.obeythepurebreed.com/images/chihuahua_humping.jpg

[Androgenic]

I think this is what she was implying...Ness being the chihuahua

http://www.obeythepurebreed.com/images/chihuahua_humping.jpg

I am the guy holding the leash.

[HalleluYAH]

Looking forward to it.

x 2

[dvsness]

I am the guy holding the leash.

i guess we all know who des is...

:p

[Androgenic]

Bump for Andro. Andro you are the best, I love your witty insight.
Thank you andro. I like your posts too. Andro how have you been?
Good. Your BOLD...get it...cause I am 1,4 andro...one for andro...get it?!
Andro...you so crazy.

[Nathan1]

Just intelligent talk and learning how to break formulations or compounds down. Hopefully I can illustrate study techniques too.

Very cool. :)

[Zachattack43]

I look forward to this,but Des lets not be a topic hog:D

[UberBerzerker]

I'd like to hear thoughts on :

forumlas like Fast Twitch from Cytosport, or homebrewing your own maybe

what ideal drink mixes are out there, or can be made depending on activity

what mades or breaks a good test booster

[Androgenic]

I'd like to hear thoughts on :

forumlas like Fast Twitch from Cytosport, or homebrewing your own maybe

what ideal drink mixes are out there, or can be made depending on activity

what mades or breaks a good test booster

Fast twitch is a great product overall, I'd tweak a few things, but that would be a good one to discuss. That's exactly what I'd like to see brought up. Products that are everywhere...some that aren't being used, but should and some that many use that shouldn't. Continue...

Zach any products?

BTW, Ness is there a way to get a full transcript when we are done?

[dvsness]

BTW, Ness is there a way to get a full transcript when we are done?

yes, absolutely.

:)

[Skigazzi]

Creatine Salts

Androgen Receptor Agonists

The mystery of Egg Nog

[dvsness]

anti estrogens

thyroid manipulation

[Androgenic]

Creatine Salts

Androgen Receptor Agonists

The mystery of Egg Nog

Egg nog it is...I have been looking the anabolic potential of the extract.

Get more specific than classes. I might reveal things I myself am working on. Is there any specific compounds or products you're interested in these areas?

[Androgenic]

anti estrogens

thyroid manipulation

Same goes for you. Which AI's, which thyroid products. (NO Thermo, No MAN remember).

[\S/]

anator p70 vs replenish

[EMISGOD]

anator p70 vs replenish

vs. Aftershock vs. Countdown vs. Relentless.

Why hast thou deserted me, sweet Andro...why? :(

[GeneGnomeX]

I want an official red ryder carbine-action two-hundred-shot range model air rifle mr claus. Don't deny me like last time!!

[dvsness]

I want an official red ryder carbine-action two-hundred-shot range model air rifle mr claus. Don't deny me like last time!!

what is a thinger? :confused:

[GeneGnomeX]

what is a thinger? :confused:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thinger
Take your pick

[Androgenic]

Stay focused. Compounds. Products.

[EMISGOD]

Stay focused. Compounds. Products.

vs. Aftershock vs. Countdown vs. Relentless.

Why hast thou deserted me, sweet Andro...why? :(

MANGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Androgenic]

MANGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


I got it. I am considering doing all those...

CHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLL!

[EMISGOD]

I got it. I am considering doing all those...

CHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLL!

I. was. talking. about. this!

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=13135389&postcount=205

Heartbreaker! :(

[Frank_The_Tank]

I would like to see a further analysis of Mass FX vs. BAM.

[dvsness]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thinger
Take your pick

Thinger

A slang term for the male genitalia (A.K.A penis).

"He pulled out his thinger and it was apparent he was sexually inticed."

:eek:

Stay focused. Compounds. Products.

sorry. :o

[Androgenic]

I would like to see a further analysis of Mass FX vs. BAM.


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=979795&page=5

[Androgenic]

OK, so creatine salts, Fast Twitch, Anator/Replenish/Relentless/Myozene?, maybe Mass FX/BAM, I'd like to actually hit this thread...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=991308

and its products, they all are loaded up, no one knows much about them and my thing is I want to show people how to be more critical and research their products. Not for me to tell you really what is good and bad (I can do that with my opinion), but I'd rather teach you how to do this for yourself. How to demand better profiles at correct doses, based on factual science and put aside the marketing and hype claims and photos.

I've thought about maybe doing an online class actually. With discussion of study design, biochemistry, labwork, organic chemistry, pharmacology, raw materials purchasing, product testing, marketing techniques with demographics and target markets, etc. Maybe those that attended and passed tests could be certified supplement gurus. Just a thought. I'd like to see everyone on these boards know more for themselves and push this industry in a better direction and save it from itself. Supporting good business practices and abandoning poor ones. That would take a lot of effort on my end and much time. Not free time. If there was a great deal of interest at some point I may consider doing that.

[HalleluYAH]

...Anator/Replenish/Relentless/Myozene?...

Yes, that^^^.

[Zachattack43]

Andro, i think the guys covered the interesting topics and products are already, but you are always free to breakdown any gaspari product and how to improve, if possible:D
Thanks for asking

[excelsium62]

Andro hoorray! I'm so excited:D, (Homo) of course;).

:O

I should be there

[EMISGOD]

OK, so creatine salts, Fast Twitch, Anator/Replenish/Relentless/Myozene?, maybe Mass FX/BAM, I'd like to actually hit this thread...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=991308

and its products, they all are loaded up, no one knows much about them and my thing is I want to show people how to be more critical and research their products. Not for me to tell you really what is good and bad (I can do that with my opinion), but I'd rather teach you how to do this for yourself. How to demand better profiles at correct doses, based on factual science and put aside the marketing and hype claims and photos.

I've thought about maybe doing an online class actually. With discussion of study design, biochemistry, labwork, organic chemistry, pharmacology, raw materials purchasing, product testing, marketing techniques with demographics and target markets, etc. Maybe those that attended and passed tests could be certified supplement gurus. Just a thought. I'd like to see everyone on these boards know more for themselves and push this industry in a better direction and save it from itself. Supporting good business practices and abandoning poor ones. That would take a lot of effort on my end and much time. Not free time. If there was a great deal of interest at some point I may consider doing that.

Holy ****! In all seriousness, that would be wild.

[EMISGOD]

I would also like to see you comment on whether or not any of the current NO supplements available have any possibility of actual function.

[Bloute]

ThermoBump !

I will try to be there for sure, although it is very late for me ! :D

I would like to hear the opinion of Andro about a few AI's like 6-Bromo, 3-OHT, ATD and 6-OXO. Specially about their values for Non hormonal stack, PCT(with SERM) and their respective safety.

[Androgenic]

I can save you time on that one. 6-oxo PCT or standalone. Formestane On-cycle, PCT, standalone.

I do not like the others for various reasons, some of which are counterproductivity or safety concerns. The others may work and do so well, in the short term...but that would not make choose them. Sometimes one step further is not better. 6-oxo vs. ATD. DHEA vs. 4-AD. 1-AD vs. 1-Test. In some ways the latter is more potent, but less safe and with more side effects and even ultimately less efficacious over time. PA was smart in this way.

[getbustered]

anator p70 vs replenish

vs. Aftershock vs. Countdown vs. Relentless.

Why hast thou deserted me, sweet Andro...why? :(


This was going to be my suggestion. I think it would be an interesting and informative topic. Post-workout nutrition/supplementation is always a fun thing to discuss.

[dvsness]

the chat is tomorrow night -

get your suggestions in before it's too late!

[Androgenic]

Yes. So with these products are we discussing BCAA vs. EAA vs. Hydrolyzed Casein vs. Hydrolyzed Whey? And then carb source and timing? Is that what I am hearing is a big one?

[dito]

Don't forget this is tonight. The chat will be kept on topic. :)

[getbustered]

Yes. So with these products are we discussing BCAA vs. EAA vs. Hydrolyzed Casein vs. Hydrolyzed Whey? And then carb source and timing? Is that what I am hearing is a big one?


Sounds good to me. I would like to hear that.

[jkeithc82]

The chat will be kept on topic. :)

Oh,

Count me out. :cool:

[getbustered]

Oh,

Count me out. :cool:


Come on. Everyone wants to see the battle of the banstick vs. the thermohammer. Might be a good warmup to the main event.

[Skigazzi]

Don't forget this is tonight. The chat will be kept on topic. :)

Wait...So the Andro chat is tonight, and the meeting is tomorrow? (My recent PM's dont say this...but I got it now I guess)
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how bout research chems? safety / purity / legal issues? or if thats out of scope, id understand.

[dvsness]

Wait...So the Andro chat is tonight, and the meeting is tomorrow? (My recent PM's dont say this...but I got it now I guess)
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how bout research chems? safety / purity / legal issues? or if thats out of scope, id understand.

just be there at 9 tonight and tomorrow. i am not good at multitasking. :o

[Androgenic]

Come on. Everyone wants to see the battle of the banstick vs. the thermohammer. Might be a good warmup to the main event.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rocky_balboa/trailers_player.php?IGNMediaID=1751568&playerType=videolarge

[Androgenic]

There are so many things being brought up I myself am having a hard time deciding where to put my focus and if it going to be helpful in terms of discussion to you guys (and possibly myself...I continue to learn too) then it will need to be focused. What did anyone think about the idea I brought up on pg.2:

I've thought about maybe doing an online class actually. With discussion of study design, biochemistry, labwork, organic chemistry, pharmacology, raw materials purchasing, product testing, marketing techniques with demographics and target markets, etc. Maybe those that attended and passed tests could be certified supplement gurus. Just a thought. I'd like to see everyone on these boards know more for themselves and push this industry in a better direction and save it from itself. Supporting good business practices and abandoning poor ones. That would take a lot of effort on my end and much time. Not free time. If there was a great deal of interest at some point I may consider doing that.

This type of thing would have a natural arc or predictable path of topics and would be cumulative in a way that would really build expertise in those that kept with it.

I'd really love to go over study design, because so many people here just quote the results or summary of a study and don't look at the design, the funding source, the statistical analysis, etc. that show whether the study is even credible or the results are reliable statistically.

[getbustered]

Make that class on a Friday evening or on the weekend and I'd be interested. Got work and real school during the week, but I'd find time for something like that if I could. Sounds pretty interesting.

[dito]

^^^^^^^^

[dvsness]

thermochat, 25 minutes, be there!

:)

[Zachattack43]

thermochat, 25 minutes, be there!

:)

19!

[dvsness]

19!

11!

[Elliptical Envy]

This gets the official......SHIZZAM!

[EMISGOD]

Laundry. :(

I know, I know, but I'm running out and it never stopped snowing yesterday, when I was going to do it:mad:. I'm going to NEG myself for this. Please remember what we worked out, Regulator.

Even though, I won't be there (Shawn, sorry, kid, next time ;) ), I still gotta lotta love for everyone who will be there.

[dito]

Here is the chat log for those that missed it.

[Nathan1]

Here is the chat log for those that missed it.

kinda crappy to read it like that, but that's what the slackers get.

there is alot of great info in there and if someone took 1 hour away from the boob tube, it would be well worth their time. :)

[EMISGOD]

I should have went to the Thermochat instead of the laundromat...more on that later in my Log. :(

[EMISGOD]

Here is the chat log for those that missed it.

Part of this is missing, but aces for putting it up.

[excelsium62]

Enjoyed every bit of it. Learned a lot. Thanks again Andro

[Zachattack43]

Here is the chat log for those that missed it.

thank you dito, guys this was the best chat by FAR!

[Androgenic]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the kind words. I hoped to hit on formulations, studies, medicine, supplement strategy, the future of supplementation,etc. I felt I did. Looking back I am suprised I got to cover so much. I am glad that many of you enjoyed it. And thanks for Dito/Thermolife for hosting. If there is interest I may do this again soon.

[Nathan1]

If there is interest I may do this again soon.

You bet!

[EMISGOD]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the kind words. I hoped to hit on formulations, studies, medicine, supplement strategy, the future of supplementation,etc. I felt I did. Looking back I am suprised I got to cover so much. I am glad that many of you enjoyed it. And thanks for Dito/Thermolife for hosting. If there is interest I may do this again soon.

If you could time it around storms here, so I don't have to miss it on account of laundry, I would surely appreciate it. I really liked where a lot of it was going, but I think it would be better served to be moderated next time...

EDIT: I especially liked the part on the multis. The thing with Andro is that he kind of reminds me of one of those sentient "talking" computers and it's a challenge not to pester him with every little thing like "what do you think of my stack/what should I eliminate/what's good", "should I toss my samples from BEAST Nutrition", "can I stack E-Bol and Dicana with that" and "just how important is Micronized Sand FTW!!!!! as a supplement in the general scheme of things?"

[Androgenic]

Here is the chat log for those that missed it.


Unfortunately most of that is prior to my conversation (up to 3 hrs.) and it cuts off less than half way through. According to the timestamps on that document my part is from 18:00-20:00 (I went from 9-11pm EST), that doc. cuts off at 18:53. And it really got rolling later with PWO supplementation, antioxidants, spin traps, electrolytes, discussion of Leucine, etc.

[Zachattack43]

Unfortunately most of that is prior to my conversation (up to 3 hrs.) and it cuts off less than half way through. According to the timestamps on that document my part is from 18:00-20:00 (I went from 9-11pm EST), that doc. cuts off at 18:53. And it really got rolling later with PWO supplementation, antioxidants, spin traps, electrolytes, discussion of Leucine, etc.

CRAP!!!!

[dvsness]

Unfortunately most of that is prior to my conversation (up to 3 hrs.) and it cuts off less than half way through. According to the timestamps on that document my part is from 18:00-20:00 (I went from 9-11pm EST), that doc. cuts off at 18:53. And it really got rolling later with PWO supplementation, antioxidants, spin traps, electrolytes, discussion of Leucine, etc.

i think i may have a more complete version. gimme a minute.

[dito]

Unfortunately most of that is prior to my conversation (up to 3 hrs.) and it cuts off less than half way through. According to the timestamps on that document my part is from 18:00-20:00 (I went from 9-11pm EST), that doc. cuts off at 18:53. And it really got rolling later with PWO supplementation, antioxidants, spin traps, electrolytes, discussion of Leucine, etc.

That's all I had stored. :( Maybe fitnecise has the rest?

[dvsness]

here you go:

[SupaNatural]

Shoulda stayed at work to catch it. :mad:

[getbustered]

spin traps


What is this talk that there MIGHT be another chat? If I'm researching spin traps, you better be coming back for discussion so I can figure out if I'm understanding things properly. :D

Great chat last night, I particularly enjoyed the part about pwo supplementation, leucine, etc. Andro plays the part of patient teacher very well. I liked that it was an interactive chat. I'm just sorry that I missed the first part of it.

[Zachattack43]

What is this talk that there MIGHT be another chat? If I'm researching spin traps, you better be coming back for discussion so I can figure out if I'm understanding things properly. :D

Great chat last night, I particularly enjoyed the part about pwo supplementation, leucine, etc. Andro plays the part of patient teacher very well. I liked that it was an interactive chat. I'm just sorry that I missed the first part of it.

Andro did well in dictating the chat, people overall respected his rules, but i think dito needs to threaten the thermoBANHAMMER so people will STFU and show respect

[\S/]

Here is the chat log for those that missed it.

the myspace links you posted were great.

[dito]

Andro did well in dictating the chat, people overall respected his rules, but i think dito needs to threaten the thermoBANHAMMER so people will STFU and show respect

I am working on getting admin powers so I can add on more mods.

[Zachattack43]

I am working on getting admin powers so I can add on more mods.

i nominate Boyscout:D

[Elliptical Envy]

Envy rates this 5 Shizzams out of 5 :)

[dito]

i nominate Boyscout:D

For the ThermoHammer? ok gladly

[Zachattack43]

For the ThermoHammer? ok gladly

HAHAHA

[Androgenic]

I am editing the log, to cut out some of the extaneous stuff, highlight my comments and make a Director's cut for better readability.

By the way, I just got an email from Mind and Muscle there is a Chat for Inner Circle...featuring "Thermolife's Rep...Androgenic" and that he is a "knowledgeable rep". I am not an arrogant guy, but this felt like a pretty good smack in the face for who I am and what I have accompished.

1. With a Master's in Nutritional Biochemistry and post-graduate work in Exercise Sports Science/Physiology
2. A Registered Dietitian that has worked in education, research, private business, long-term and acute care
3. Presently a Chief Clinical Dietitian managing over 20 people
4. Chief Scientific Officer for MAN (MAN sports) and writing articles, working on the magazine and formulations...with many not released compounds in the industry under my belt...coming. (Actually I have 30-40 in front of me...know one has ever heard of).
5. I helped put together an interactive CD-rom for med-students, used at every med school in the country. They are interactive CD-roms in the Nutrition In Medicine project at Chapel Hill. The one I did was on Dietary Supplements.
6. I have been offered jobs in Private Industry with Life Extension Foundation and get offered Chief Clinical
Dietitian/Clinical Nutrition Manager positions all over the country.
7. I have worked in the ICU working on tube feedings and IV feeding (parenteral) with those in critical care working with Chiefs of Staff's.

I say all this not to brag. Not to have you read this for any accolade. But to have you know when I get an email that says...Androgenic (not my name), Thermolife (wrong) Rep (wrong) and with no credentials. Well, it is kind of messed up.

At this point...Thermolife, may have exclusivity to me. Call me what you want, but my experience has been nothing but positive with thermolife and Inner Circle...less than positive. Maybe that's not the circle for me.

[getbustered]

I am editing the log, to cut out some of the extaneous stuff, highlight my comments and make a Director's cut for better readability.

By the way, I just got an email from Mind and Muscle there is a Chat for Inner Circle...featuring "Thermolife's Rep...Androgenic" and that he is a "knowledgeable rep". I am not an arrogant guy, but this felt like a pretty good smack in the face for who I am and what I have accompished.

1. With a Master's in Nutritional Biochemistry and post-graduate work in Exercise Sports Science/Physiology
2. A Registered Dietitian that has worked in education, research, private business, long-term and acute care
3. Presently a Chief Clinical Dietitian managing over 20 people
4. Chief Scientific Officer for MAN (MAN sports) and writing articles, working on the magazine and formulations...with many not released compounds in the industry under my belt...coming. (Actually I have 30-40 in front of me...know one has ever heard of).
5. I helped put together an interactive CD-rom for med-students, used at every med school in the country. They are interactive CD-roms in the Nutrition In Medicine project at Chapel Hill. The one I did was on Dietary Supplements.
6. I have been offered jobs in Private Industry with Life Extension Foundation and get offered Chief Clinical
Dietitian/Clinical Nutrition Manager positions all over the country.
7. I have worked in the ICU working on tube feedings and IV feeding (parenteral) with those in critical care working with Chiefs of Staff's.

I say all this not to brag. Not to have you read this for any accolade. But to have you know when I get an email that says...Androgenic (not my name), Thermolife (wrong) Rep (wrong) and with no credentials. Well, it is kind of messed up.

At this point...Thermolife, may have exclusivity to me. Call me what you want, but my experience has been nothing but positive with thermolife and Inner Circle...less than positive. Maybe that's not the circle for me.


I guarantee all of the thermochatters will welcome you at anytime. After the chat the other night, I am seriously interested in the online class you were talking about should you ever decide to seriously put one together. Very informative, and I appreciated the fact that you presented the knowledge without being condescending to the people that don't have your credentials.

[dexterium]

your credentials are a goal for me. wowed... i do not expect to go the exact same route as you but I hope to be as knowledgable as you some day... Bachelor of Science in Nutrition and Bachelof of Kin comin up in the next few years :D

I plan to do good things for this industry someday

[dvsness]

i got that email as well. :confused:

how do they not know who they are promoting?

[Androgenic]

your credentials are a goal for me. wowed... i do not expect to go the exact same route as you but I hope to be as knowledgable as you some day... Bachelor of Science in Nutrition and Bachelof of Kin comin up in the next few years :D

I plan to do good things for this industry someday

That's great. You know once you get those bachelor's, a good career path would be a 4 yr. doctorate of pharmacy. There is so much you can do with pharmacology/pharmacy and they come out making six figures and your given jobs before you graduate. You may want to look into taking the PCAT. Good background though.

[dexterium]

There are so many things being brought up I myself am having a hard time deciding where to put my focus and if it going to be helpful in terms of discussion to you guys (and possibly myself...I continue to learn too) then it will need to be focused. What did anyone think about the idea I brought up on pg.2:

I've thought about maybe doing an online class actually. With discussion of study design, biochemistry, labwork, organic chemistry, pharmacology, raw materials purchasing, product testing, marketing techniques with demographics and target markets, etc. Maybe those that attended and passed tests could be certified supplement gurus. Just a thought. I'd like to see everyone on these boards know more for themselves and push this industry in a better direction and save it from itself. Supporting good business practices and abandoning poor ones. That would take a lot of effort on my end and much time. Not free time. If there was a great deal of interest at some point I may consider doing that.

This type of thing would have a natural arc or predictable path of topics and would be cumulative in a way that would really build expertise in those that kept with it.

I'd really love to go over study design, because so many people here just quote the results or summary of a study and don't look at the design, the funding source, the statistical analysis, etc. that show whether the study is even credible or the results are reliable statistically.

Ummmmm.... YES WE WANT THAT!

[Androgenic]

i got that email as well. :confused:

how do they not know who they are promoting?

Again, I am never one to brag (except when I am being funny about something). I am humble and humorous and truly enjoy helping and teaching. I do upward basketball with 7th and 8th grade boys for that reason...free. I love it. I love watching them start to believe in themselves, empower themselves and their self-esteem rise and their parents look at them with pride. That is a feeling that is amazing and better than any materialistic garbage put before me. I was frustrated by that email and when I compare the interactions with that scenario vs. how positive the thermochat was and again knowing that people were thankful for what I gave to them...I think I'll pursue the latter. It was hurtful to me and with my schedule being filled every minute of the day...that's not something I look at really wanting to pursue.

[Doughboy]

Again, I am never one to brag (except when I am being funny about something). I am humble and humorous and truly enjoy helping and teaching. I do upward basketball with 7th and 8th grade boys for that reason...free. I love it. I love watching them start to believe in themselves, empower themselves and their self-esteem rise and their parents look at them with pride. That is a feeling that is amazing and better than any materialistic garbage put before me. I was frustrated by that email and when I compare the interactions with that scenario vs. how positive the thermochat was and again knowing that people were thankful for what I gave to them...I think I'll pursue the latter. It was hurtful to me and with my schedule being filled every minute of the day...that's not something I look at really wanting to pursue.

Shawn,

I am very thankful you are on the boards. Your honesty, advice, knowledge and sense of humor are second to none.

I wish you would reconsider and maybe speak with Tkardde about this?

Thanks

[Tkarrde]

I just PMed Shawn to fill him in on why I was as distracted as I was. While I prefer that reason remain private, I am hopeful that he will take it in earnest as it was meant.

While I am posting this, I wish to issue a formal apology to Androgenic regarding this egregious oversight. I accept full responsibility, and can only reiterate that this error was the product of unusual circumstances.

[dvsness]

For those of you who enjoyed (or perhaps missed) the ThermoChat featuring Androgenic aka Shawn Wells, I very excited to announce that he will be returning!

Join us on Monday, January 8th at 9pm EST.

[GeneGnomeX]

For those of you who enjoyed (or perhaps missed) the ThermoChat featuring Androgenic aka Shawn Wells, I very excited to announce that he will be returning!

Join us on Monday, January 8th at 9pm EST.

I hope everyone did their homework from last time :)

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Meh... I have him on speed dial. ;)

[Androgenic]

Ness, I just found out my coaching schedule for Upward Basketball (coaching 7th and 8th grade boys @ church). Our first practice and every week thereafter is 8pm on Monday night (that night). The chat night can either be changed to Tuesday or I would prefer to just do it at 9:30 (9:40 absolute latest). Most people were still on with me last time at 11pm and wanted me to stay, numbers peaked by 10pm anyway...so I don't think its much of an issue If I start later.

What would be neat is if the "class" discusses the homework and some of the points to each other so that everyone is filled in, those that were there last time and not there. It'd make the time used at 9:30-11 much better.

[cxm]

For those of you who enjoyed (or perhaps missed) the ThermoChat featuring Androgenic aka Shawn Wells, I very excited to announce that he will be returning!

Join us on Monday, January 8th at 9pm EST.


Awesome, I love my Andro claus!!!!

[dvsness]

Ness, I just found out my coaching schedule for Upward Basketball (coaching 7th and 8th grade boys @ church). Our first practice and every week thereafter is 8pm on Monday night (that night). The chat night can either be changed to Tuesday or I would prefer to just do it at 9:30 (9:40 absolute latest). Most people were still on with me last time at 11pm and wanted me to stay, numbers peaked by 10pm anyway...so I don't think its much of an issue If I start later.

What would be neat is if the "class" discusses the homework and some of the points to each other so that everyone is filled in, those that were there last time and not there. It'd make the time used at 9:30-11 much better.

9:30 it is, then. :)

[Zachattack43]

9:30 it is, then. :)

He shoots.....SCORE!!!!

[Androgenic]

He shoots.....SCORE!!!!
Cute basketball reference. I love basketball. To play it. To watch it. To coach it. I love it. I have season tickets to the Bobcats and I have only missed one game this season. I saw Oak Hill Academy play a few weeks back...amazing.

[EMISGOD]

Cute basketball reference. I love basketball. To play it. To watch it. To coach it. I love it. I have season tickets to the Bobcats and I have only missed one game this season. I saw Oak Hill Academy play a few weeks back...amazing.

And clearly the UK Wildcats are your favorite, right? :D

I really want to try to make this chat...even though I'm no longer Andro's cheerleader, the emotional investment doesn't just go away overnight. It will be a while, maybe a long while for healing, but you just can't take away the love.

[NoNameNecessary]

It will be awesome to have Andro back. I cannot begin to mention how thankful I, and many others, are for his presence on these boards.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Cute basketball reference. I love basketball. To play it. To watch it. To coach it. I love it. I have season tickets to the Bobcats and I have only missed one game this season. I saw Oak Hill Academy play a few weeks back...amazing.

Speaking of... you should show them your picture of you and Mr. Rumble in the jungle...mr. Knock out the fat...mr meineke...Big George Foreman at the Lakers game.

[dvsness]

Don't forget - Monday 1/8 @ 9:30.

:)

Be there!

[fitnfirm]

Santa Claus? Ness Claus? Gimme :D

[getbustered]

Don't forget - Monday 1/8 @ 9:30.

:)

Be there!


Are you going to save the chat ness? I'm going to be in the hospital; don't think the wifey would appreciate me ducking out to thermochat. I would like to see what Andro has to say, though.

[dvsness]

Santa Claus? Ness Claus? Gimme :D

;)

Are you going to save the chat ness? I'm going to be in the hospital; don't think the wifey would appreciate me ducking out to thermochat. I would like to see what Andro has to say, though.

For you, anything. I'll be sure to post it here as a word attachment.

[Androgenic]

I will be there tomorrow. I hope to see you guys with your homework done. I am going to be quizzing you and having you come to the answers even more this time.

I did a "director's cut" of the chat last time. Cleaning up chit-chat...banter...misspellings, etc. I also added some comments and highlighted my part in the chat. For anyone wanting to read what they missed and what they're expected to know.

[Boots]

For those of you who enjoyed (or perhaps missed) the ThermoChat featuring Androgenic aka Shawn Wells, I very excited to announce that he will be returning!

Join us on Monday, January 8th at 9pm EST.

Awesome!

[AtownKing187]

What would be neat is if the "class" discusses the homework and some of the points to each other so that everyone is filled in, those that were there last time and not there. It'd make the time used at 9:30-11 much better.

we had homework? O, crap...im screwed....lol BUT im defintlly there Mr.Andro! I am hopeing to go to college and get my phd in medical science..or something like it..so i guess i'll start having to pay attention now...lol:D

[Natural Lifter]

I found these few parts particularly comical.

A)

androgenic says to (18:44):
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Synergy-Platinum-Multi-Vitamin-Version-3-60-Packets-1
envythahustla says to (18:45):
man that stuff is $270
uberberzerker says to (18:45):
holy hell
androgenic says to (18:48):
you can get 10% off with the e-coupon

B)

Nathan1 says to (18:48):
what if I took this for a year, then got hit by a car and died?
fitnecise says to (18:48):
your autopsy would look great nathan

C)

Nathan1 says to (18:50):
i'm just confused what the ER had to do with the multi, they must have been separate
Adam says to Nathan1 (18:51):
the point is nathan
Adam says to Nathan1 (18:51):
if you take the multi
Adam says to Nathan1 (18:51):
you wont ever get hit by a car, because the car will know you're on the $270 multi and it'll swerve

[EMISGOD]

I'm really going to try to make the chat tomorrow, though I'm being presently slaughtered by this f u c k ing headache, which, if it persists tomorrow, will take me out of the "looking at my monitor" game entirely...

[dvsness]

12 hours-

I'll catch up with all of you tonight - unless something happens; the whole city smells like gas and I"m getting a headache. :confused:

There's nothing on the news explaining it yet.

[GeneGnomeX]

12 hours-

I'll catch up with all of you tonight - unless something happens; the whole city smells like gas and I"m getting a headache. :confused:

There's nothing on the news explaining it yet.

Don't turn on the stove

[Androgenic]

12 hours-

I'll catch up with all of you tonight - unless something happens; the whole city smells like gas and I"m getting a headache. :confused:

There's nothing on the news explaining it yet.

Being around a bunch of bodybuilders at the gym can do the same thing. In that case lighting a match helps though.

[Doughboy]

12 hours-

I'll catch up with all of you tonight - unless something happens; the whole city smells like gas and I"m getting a headache. :confused:

There's nothing on the news explaining it yet.

There was something on the news, i couldnt hear it though.

[dvsness]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070108/ap_on_re_us/nyc_gas_odor

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/bleeding_black_sugar/121.jpg

[Androgenic]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070108/ap_on_re_us/nyc_gas_odor

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/bleeding_black_sugar/121.jpg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4118

[Elliptical Envy]

Good to see that Andro is coming back into the chat later on tonight. I'll catch the transcript whenever it is posted.

[dvsness]

Good to see that Andro is coming back into the chat later on tonight. I'll catch the transcript whenever it is posted.

I'll be sure to post it. :)

[UHCougar05]

I'll be there after I get back from the gym. :D

[Elliptical Envy]

I'll be sure to post it. :)

Sounds good to me.

[Nathan1]

wtf?! nobody is watching the game or what?

i'll be at my buddies' place with prime rib, a big screen, and a big leather couch! :D

too bad....cuz i studied up on dem der spin traps. ;) (only homework i've done in over 6 years)

[Androgenic]

Hmm. I didn't think about that. My life has very little time for entertainment with so many different jobs and ways I give my time. This is usually a worthwhile game to watch though I can't imagine Ohio losing (though everyone thought the same of USC).

All of this said. I don't want to do this and there be a poor turnout. Is this going to be an issue? Did many forget? I did. Please post back. Tonight in the NCAA BCS Chamionship game with the Ohio State Buckeyes and the Florida Gators. It starts at 8:15pm EST. Let me know. We could do this anthoer night.

[Androgenic]

Bump.

[dvsness]

Bump.

OW! :mad:



I still think we'll have a good turnout. People were already talking about it in the chat last night. :)

[AtownKing187]

I'm still deffinitly showing up to this chat...I thought the last one was ver informative and i did learn a great deal.


p.s. I did my homework on spin traps.....:D

[Boots]

OW! :mad:



I still think we'll have a good turnout. People were already talking about it in the chat last night. :)

I will be there! :)

[TE]

I will be there! :)

then I will be there as well. ;):D

[Boots]

then I will be there as well. ;):D

Orly ... well I sure hope so!?! :D

[Giggety Giggety]

I would be there but Booty kicked my out already:(.

[AtownKing187]

I would be there but Booty kicked my out already:(.

it's so her and dito can be alone :D

[deserusan]

Should be fun! :p

[Boots]

I would be there but Booty kicked my out already:(.bwhahahaha

it's so her and dito can be alone :DI kicked you by accident!

Should be fun! :pWhy are you and your better half not in tl chat?

[AtownKing187]

I kicked you by accident!

Yea,I know that now..i didnt know that before :D

[EMISGOD]

Don't know if this has started or not, but I'm really jammed tonight with some unexpected crap...will be there as soon as I can...

[Boots]

Don't know if this has started or not, but I'm really jammed tonight with some unexpected crap...will be there as soon as I can...

He is just about to start!

[\S/]

12 hours-

I'll catch up with all of you tonight - unless something happens; the whole city smells like gas and I"m getting a headache. :confused:

There's nothing on the news explaining it yet.
Safety.

:o

[deserusan]

Don't know if this has started or not, but I'm really jammed tonight with some unexpected crap...will be there as soon as I can...

Gross! ;) Thanks for coming by SHAWN!

[dvsness]

Sloppy transcript attached. :)

[AtownKing187]

Loved The Chat!!!!

[EMISGOD]

Gross! ;) Thanks for coming by SHAWN!

You make little baby Jesus cry. :(

I just got back, actually...had to run out again..f u c k e t y f u c k f u c k...(not literally, Des...:mad: )

[Androgenic]

Again, it'd be better to let me do the "director's cut" of that chat and I will put the two together in one file. I will also add in a portion on the "homework" for both sessions. We are tentatively planning to do this next one Monday the 22nd of January. We'll decide closer to and there will be a dedicated thread each time. Shawn

[GeneGnomeX]

Shawn, would you be up for an artificial sweetener discussion?

[Elliptical Envy]

Again, it'd be better to let me do the "director's cut" of that chat and I will put the two together in one file. I will also add in a portion on the "homework" for both sessions. We are tentatively planning to do this next one Monday the 22nd of January. We'll decide closer to and there will be a dedicated thread each time. Shawn

It would be cool if you can post your "director's cut" chat log Andro.

[dvsness]

It would be cool if you can post your "director's cut" chat log Andro.

It would be cool if you were there and didn't need to read about it later. :D

[Elliptical Envy]

It would be cool if you were there and didn't need to read about it later. :D

I don't go there by choice nowadays.

[Boots]

I don't go there by choice nowadays.

:confused:

[Androgenic]

I am almost done with it. Thanks for the interest and support, Envy .

[italionstallion]

I don't go there by choice nowadays.

:confused:

:confused:

[Elliptical Envy]

I don't go there by choice nowadays.

:confused:

:confused:

:D

[Elliptical Envy]

I am almost done with it. Thanks for the interest and support, Envy .

I'll pop back in this thread in a few days to see if it is posted. Thanks again Andro!