Coming Soon....replenish™

[uhockey]

I never saw anyone rule out whey or EAAs or egg, actually. I saw steve say it's not ONLY EAA, and I saw me say not casein.

[G.W. Hayduke]

Well in that case, neither did I. I was only testing you. ;)

[Avaric3]

heres my whack at it:

whey protein
egg protein
eaas
some more leucine on top of that
creatine
carbs
frog legs

and that is what makes replenish!

[40-Yard Dash_2]

heres my whack at it:

whey protein
egg protein
eaas
some more leucine on top of that
creatine
carbs
frog legs

and that is what makes replenish!


Hmm...almost, but not quite. :)

[deserusan]

Aeter, no offense, but you're so far off, and aside from des/ness's little......whatever......in the middle of the thread, we've managed to keep this relatively on topic.


Ness wouldn't mind if you "jumped in." :p

[Robboe]

heres my whack at it:

whey protein
egg protein
eaas
some more leucine on top of that
creatine
carbs
frog legs

and that is what makes replenish!

The frogs legs are the important bits.

[ROBOLEG]

see now if you REALLY wanted to hype this product, you should have called it Project R made a thread where you gave away free Project R and company branded t-shirts if we managed to guess clues leading up to an almighty culmination of one of us guessing the name, which is of course replenish.

Anyhow my take on whats in it

Carbs: we already know
Protein: egg albuimen isolate
EAAs with added leucine
4 hydroxyisoleucine
banaba leaf
antioxidants
electrolytes
Taurine
betaine andhydrous
some new form of creatine that is going to be in the revised version of exceed ?

[Robboe]

We were going to, but controlled labs beat us to the punch with project n.

Plus, since it has been widely known that the product is called Replenish, i doubt our competition could compete with theirs.

[ROBOLEG]

indeed lol, are you guys going to be including any adaptogens into your formula ? I think siberian ginseng, rhodiola rosea or both would be nice additions to sooth the and "Replenish" the CNS after training, and this protein source has got me confused lol am I close with my guesstimate ?

[ROBOLEG]

ooh I'm guessing it also might have a decent dose of phosphotidyliserine or however you spell it for cortisol suppression post training.

[Anssi Manninen]

indeed lol, are you guys going to be including any adaptogens into your formula ? I think siberian ginseng, rhodiola rosea or both would be nice additions to sooth the and "Replenish" the CNS after training, and this protein source has got me confused lol am I close with my guesstimate ?

And some donkey ball extract too.. :D

[Robboe]

indeed lol, are you guys going to be including any adaptogens into your formula ? I think siberian ginseng, rhodiola rosea or both would be nice additions to sooth the and "Replenish" the CNS after training, and this protein source has got me confused lol am I close with my guesstimate ?

Nah, but i am a big fan of rhodiola rosea. I want some firms to research its use in eye-strengthening, or some sort of optic-enhancement. My peepers are on the way down and rhodiola helps me focus a little better, i've found. Strange. I also love it for its physical effects on strength and recovery.

No egg protein in Replenish, no.

[Robboe]

ooh I'm guessing it also might have a decent dose of phosphotidyliserine or however you spell it for cortisol suppression post training.

Insulin does this. :)

[Robboe]

And some donkey ball extract too.. :D

Good call. Donkey ball extract - the orally bioavailable precursor to bull semen.

[haiz69]

My Guess:

Carb Blend (Oats + Malto = given)
Protein = Hydro and Isolate Blend
Added Leucine
EAA's
Betaine
Potassium + Sodium
Vitamins C + E Complex
Taurine

[uhockey]

Haiz did okay, but I'd say Bodybuilder45 is still in the lead.
I pushed for donkey balls and frog legs, but Steve said it would ruin the flavoring system. :(

[ROBOLEG]

Insulin does this. :)


yuh so do carbs and vitamin c, but a little extra help never hurts eh :p

coming from Designer supps I'm expecting good things of this product, just hope it gets itself over to the uk and fast !

[uhockey]

yuh so do carbs and vitamin c, but a little extra help never hurts eh :p

coming from Designer supps I'm expecting good things of this product, just hope it gets itself over to the uk and fast !

We try to send everything to the UK. We even outsource our ignorance to one of your countrymen. ;)

[ROBOLEG]

nah you guys are really good when it comes to stuff like that, just with some companies you know something gets released in america then it takes 2-3 months plus to get over here ?

p.s. whats the exchange rate on ignorance these days :p

[uhockey]

Not very good, although I hear Rob's salary is $100,000K plus all the Sustain he can drink. That could be a rumor though.

[Robboe]

p.s. whats the exchange rate on ignorance these days :p

Quite high if you trade with the US, cause i don't think many of them realise that there are other countries...

:)

[Twin Peak]

Quite high if you trade with the US, cause i don't think many of them realise that there are other countries...

:)

We realize it. We just don't care.

[Robboe]

We realize it. We just don't care.

Careful. The UK was once a superpower and we lost it.

China are looking pretty good these days...

[ROBOLEG]

Yeah and don't forget that many of the white americans around today are descendants of british settlers from back in the day when we OWNED america along with most of the world muwa hahahaha.

And if you don't want to die you will pay me one hundred million dollars muwa hahahahaha

[Robboe]

Yeah and don't forget that many of the white americans around today are descendants of british settlers from back in the day when we OWNED america along with most of the world muwa hahahaha.

And if you don't want to die you will pay me one hundred million dollars muwa hahahahaha

Steady on there, Mr Leg. lol.

[Twin Peak]

Yeah and don't forget that many of the white americans around today are descendants of british settlers from back in the day when we OWNED america along with most of the world muwa hahahaha.


Didn't last too long till we kicked you out, did it? ;)

[uhockey]

We should release another ingredient Steve. What say you?

[Twin Peak]

We should release another ingredient Steve. What say you?

Sure, for the holidays? Your call which.

[nni]

leucine!

[uhockey]

Hmmm......well, I do love this section......and goodness knows I cried when I thought we were going to change it for something as lame as "flavor".....but yeah, here we go. :D

Electrolytes

As any athlete knows, when you sweat you lose electrolytes and any sort of electrolyte depletion can hinder muscle repair during the critical post workout period. While simply repleting electrolytes would be adequate, Replenish™ goes one setp further by including the electrolytes calcium and potassium in their citrate forms, plus magnesium in the acetate form (the salts of citric acid and acetic acid respectively). Upon digestion, the body dissociates the mineral from the base salt, thus allowing citrate to be used as a metabolite in the energy (Krebs) cycle for ATP synthesis while the acetate supplies an acetyl group to combine with Coenzyme A (CoA) to form acetyl-CoA which is also used during energy production and carbohydrate metabolism in the Krebs cycle.

An additional benefit of these electrolyte salts is that both citrate and acetate have a pH-lowering effect on the cell. Under homeostatic conditions, natural concentrations of acetic acid are usually kept quite low in order to avoid disrupting the control of cellular pH. This metabolic regulation takes place because the chief controller of glycolysis (the use of stored carbohydrate for fuel) is provided by the enzyme phosphofructokinase (PFK) which is extensively pH sensitive. Acidifying (lowering) pH acts to inhibit the actions of PFK, thereby promoting glycogen storage (if it cannot be used for fuel, it gets stored,) growth and repair potential. In addition to their importance in muscle contraction and metabolic function, the electrolytes calcium, potassium and magnesium act to draw additional water into the cell, replenish lost reserves during training and further enhance the anabolic state.

[Robboe]

Didn't last too long till we kicked you out, did it? ;)

This is exactly what we want you to think.

[avian]

Electrolytes
goes one setp further
mispelling

[uhockey]

mispelling

Thanks for the constructive addition. ;)

[naturalguy]

I like the addition of electrolytes.

[Coulaid]

Agree... very under rated.

[ROBOLEG]

This is exactly what we want you to think.


its all part of the masterplan

TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD

MUWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

sooooooooooo.....electrolytes huh I like it, protein source dammit !

I SAID PROTEIN SOURCE !

[ROBOLEG]

by the way have you ever smelled bulk ALCAR, it absolutely wreaks, one indgredient that I think would make a nice addition to replenish though its good stuff.

[Robboe]

by the way have you ever smelled bulk ALCAR, it absolutely wreaks, one indgredient that I think would make a nice addition to replenish though its good stuff.

I think i prefer PLCAR (propionyl), based on stuff i've read.

[njmuscle66]

by the way have you ever smelled bulk ALCAR, it absolutely wreaks, one indgredient that I think would make a nice addition to replenish though its good stuff.

yeah and the taste is even worse. I was going to cap it when i bought it bulk but never did. Just a serving with some water to chase it down. It would be a good addition to any supplement stack. I should get back to that. So many supplements so little time!

[ROBOLEG]

Yeah but PLCAR is like double the price and ALCAR is nice and cheap hehe I Mix mine in with my green mag covers the taste perfectly, so c'mon you gotta tell us what the protein source is next
its killing me lol.

[uhockey]

Meh, ALCAR is mediocre, especially post workout.
I think people are overlooking the FORMS of electrolytes we're using and the reasons for doing so. :)

[avian]

Thanks for the constructive addition. ;)
Actually that was my intention. Sorry if seemed arrogant.
:)

[ROBOLEG]

whooaaaa Uhockey man I am very impressed with the electrolyte complex I can see a lot of thought went into that, please by no means believe that I am trying to belittle that I think its awesome

NOW LOOK DEEP INTO MY EYES AND TELL ME THE PROTEIN SOURCEEEEEEEE

[uhockey]

Chopped sirloin, oddly flavored like a juicy watermelon. ;)

[lightsout123]

whens the release date on replenish..im lookin to stack activate + xceed + replenish + sustain..hopefully it will be available in a couple weeks

[Twin Peak]

whens the release date on replenish..im lookin to stack activate + xceed + replenish + sustain..hopefully it will be available in a couple weeks

Its scheduled to be blended next week, labels are supposed to be in the week after. If all things go well, a retailer will have it by 12/15.

[lightsout123]

Its scheduled to be blended next week, labels are supposed to be in the week after. If all things go well, a retailer will have it by 12/15.

nice..thanks twin

[ROBOLEG]

we still haven't got sustain in the uk dammit ! get ******************s or cheapuksupplements to get it in I'm dying to try that stuff heh

[Nathan1]

misspelling



you were saying?? :rolleyes:


:p

[Twin Peak]

we still haven't got sustain in the uk dammit ! get ******************s or cheapuksupplements to get it in I'm dying to try that stuff heh

Harass them.

[naturalguy]

Chopped sirloin, oddly flavored like a juicy watermelon. ;)

Good, red meat is my favorite protein source :)

[Twin Peak]

Good, red meat is my favorite protein source :)

Mine too. Followed closely by fish (sushi) which I am about to dig in to.

[boyscouT]

Mine too. Followed closely by fish (sushi) which I am about to dig in to.
I'm jealous.

White Tuna is my favorite, followed by Spicy Tuna rolls, followed by Philly rolls, followed by Salmon rolls.

[avian]

you were saying?? :rolleyes:


:p
low blow!!!

[uhockey]

I'm jealous.

White Tuna is my favorite, followed by Spicy Tuna rolls, followed by Philly rolls, followed by Salmon rolls.

Langostino lobster rolls and spicy crab rule, but until you've tried Ahi tuna you haven't tried sushi. $$$, but worth every single cent.

[boyscouT]

Langostino lobster rolls and spicy crab rule, but until you've tried Ahi tuna you haven't tried sushi. $$$, but worth every single cent.
I've never had lobster and crab before :o... i'll ask to see if my sushi place has ahi tuna :D.

[UHCougar05]

Langostino lobster rolls and spicy crab rule, but until you've tried Ahi tuna you haven't tried sushi. $$$, but worth every single cent.Ahi is the bomb. A bit pricy like Mike said, but oh so good. :D

[Avaric3]

the only sushi ive ever had was california rolls and theyre awesome and cheap

[uhockey]

So, there's no sushi in Replenish, but there is an awesome electrolyte blend. :)

[Avaric3]

so its gatorade w/ added whey and eaas, lol

im gonna buy some no matter what the blend cuz i wanna be in the new years competition:)

[uhockey]

so its gatorade w/ added whey and eaas, lol

im gonna buy some no matter what the blend cuz i wanna be in the new years competition:)

Our electrolyte blend is a tad more advanced than gatorade.

Apparently many of you haven't read the articles on the benefits of acetic acid in the vinegar articles over at mind and muscle.

[dvsness]

Langostino lobster rolls and spicy crab rule, but until you've tried Ahi tuna you haven't tried sushi. $$$, but worth every single cent.
toro>all.

:)

[ROBOLEG]

uuuuuuuummmmm
NO

STEAK>everything

if steak was beer I would be drunk as a skunk like a damn alcoholic all day long yeah baby.

[Nathan1]

Will this product be able to make up for ****ty post w/o diet??


:D

[uhockey]

Will this product be able to make up for ****ty post w/o diet??


:D

Make up for? No. NOTHING replaces diet in the life of a fitness junky, bodybuilder, or athlete.

Will it most certainly help, you betcha red rider. :)

The partitioning effects of the electrolyte complex, when combined with other aspects of the formula, plus the "replenishing" ingredients should suit for an ideal anabolic post-workout window.

Some may wish to add extra carbs (CERTAINLY not myself) and some may wish to add more protein (not necessary unless you're a horrible gainer or 250+ lbs,) but assuming one is following a solid pre/during workout dietary protocol, all Replenish is going to do is help more. :)

[Dublo]

How much time should you let pass before eating a solid meal after drinking Replenish?

[uhockey]

How much time should you let pass before eating a solid meal after drinking Replenish?

Depends on your personal phenotype, gastric emptying time, and life schedule. Personally, I'd wait 45 minutes to an hour.

Quit asking so many questions when the rest of DS is sleeping......I'm trying to work on the NO Limits writeup. ;)

[Dublo]

Depends on your personal phenotype, gastric emptying time, and life schedule. Personally, I'd wait 45 minutes to an hour.

Sounds pretty good. That's usually what I do now anyway. Have PWO shake, then about 45 - 60 mins later, have a meal.

So, is there any chance of that write up being released any earlier? :D

edit - oops, sorry about that last question. Hahah!

[uhockey]

The Replenish writeup will be revealed completely on December 1st.

NO-Limits....whenever I'm done with it and Steve says go. :)

[Bloute]

The Replenish writeup will be revealed completely on December 1st.

NO-Limits....whenever I'm done with it and Steve says go. :)

December 1st is so far away :mad: :D !!!

[ROBOLEG]

isn't it just :(

cardio day today as well :(

only thing keeping me going is the thought of my stomach and leg workout on friday ahhhhh sometimes the best pleasures are found in the most excruciating pains :P

[naturalguy]

toro>all.

:)

toro is good stuff but not every place has it

[NATHAN518]

toro is good stuff but not every place has it
i have a toro lawn mower and it is quite good :D

[dvsness]

toro is good stuff but not every place has it
you have to know where to find it and when it comes in.

research! ;)

[Robboe]

Toro was a great comic book hero.

[Mr. Aries]

i love spider rolls.. those things are great bulking foods!

[Robboe]

i love spider rolls.. those things are great bulking foods!

They don't look too appetizing to me...

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/196500/196959UaCY_w.jpg

[Twin Peak]

NO-Limits....whenever I'm done with it and Steve says go. :)

This will likely be a Christmas present for everyone. It will really depend on when the finished product will be done.

[Twin Peak]

How much time should you let pass before eating a solid meal after drinking Replenish?

I prefer 60-90 minutes. But all will be answered in the FAQ. Keep your pants on!

[Dublo]

I prefer 60-90 minutes. But all will be answered in the FAQ. Keep your pants on!

The pants are already off.

[40-Yard Dash_2]

The pants are already off.

Hmm...quite disturbing to say the least. :)

[deserusan]

This will likely be a Christmas present for everyone. It will really depend on when the finished product will be done.

Thanks Steve...will you be delivering this to me personally in your Santa suit? If so, I'll be sure to leave out some milk and cookies. :)

[johnny87]

u guys need to put a rush on the new version of lean xtreme 2. im pretty excited about that coming out, hopefully it doesnt disappoint

[deserusan]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2303/chucksaystp4.jpg

[Robboe]

u guys need to put a rush on the new version of lean xtreme 2. im pretty excited about that coming out, hopefully it doesnt disappoint

Its on the way!

[uhockey]

LX2.0, Replenish, NO-Limits......ideally before Santa comes......yikes.

[UHCougar05]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2303/chucksaystp4.jpgDes, that was funny as hell! :D

[Twin Peak]

LX2.0, Replenish, NO-Limits......ideally before Santa comes......yikes.

That's way to aggressive. This is how rumors start!

Replenish write up = 12/1

Replenish available = ~mid Dec.

LX 2.0 write up = xmas

LX 2.0 available = ~mid Jan.

NO limits write up = early Jan.

NO Limits available = end of Jan.

NO Limits and LX may flip flop depending on the availability of an ingredient we are having trouble with.

[uhockey]

That's way to aggressive. This is how rumors start!

Replenish write up = 12/1

Replenish available = ~mid Dec.

LX 2.0 write up = xmas

LX 2.0 available = ~mid Jan.

NO limits write up = early Jan.

NO Limits available = end of Jan.

NO Limits and LX may flip flop depending on the availability of an ingredient we are having trouble with.

The NO-Limits writeup is done, I know this for a fact. ;)
I'm not touching another bit of DS literature before December 22nd.
You're the one who stated that NO-Limits would be available by christmas.
You're also the one who purported LX2.0 availability for the cutting contest.
This is how rumors get perpetuated.

[thicketman]

That's way to aggressive. This is how rumors start!

Replenish write up = 12/1

Replenish available = ~mid Dec.

LX 2.0 write up = xmas

LX 2.0 available = ~mid Jan.

NO limits write up = early Jan.

NO Limits available = end of Jan.

NO Limits and LX may flip flop depending on the availability of an ingredient we are having trouble with.



The NO-Limits writeup is done, I know this for a fact. ;)
I'm not touching another bit of DS literature before December 22nd.
You're the one who stated that NO-Limits would be available by christmas.
You're also the one who purported LX2.0 availability for the cutting contest.
This is how rumors get perpetuated.

Twin Peak vs. uhockey!!

[Twin Peak]

The NO-Limits writeup is done, I know this for a fact. ;)
I'm not touching another bit of DS literature before December 22nd.
You're the one who stated that NO-Limits would be available by christmas.
You're also the one who purported LX2.0 availability for the cutting contest.
This is how rumors get perpetuated.

Incorrect. I stated the write-up would be ready by Christmas, not the product. ;) LX 2.0 was pushed back a tad due to a problem with one ingredient.

[Twin Peak]

Twin Peak vs. uhockey!!

I'll sit on him. Game over.

[Twin Peak]

The NO-Limits writeup is done, I know this for a fact. ;)


I am reading it now, and yes its quite good. Love the charts.

[Robboe]

I am reading it now, and yes its quite good. Love the charts.

Chalk one up for the XQ.

[uhockey]

The charts are Rob's.
Steve would kill me. :)

[NATHAN518]

I am reading it now, and yes its quite good. Love the charts.

nothing says science like charts!

[Robboe]

It's true. They're diagrams though, not charts. Steve is crazy.

Crazy Steve.

[boyscouT]

Venn diagrams?

[Dublo]

Parabolas!

[Elliptical Envy]

nothing says science like charts!

My broscience-o-meter is going crazy. :)

[dunks5]

Info, Info...Wheres the Info...

[Robboe]

Info, Info...Wheres the Info...

Patience, young Jedi.

12/1.

[nni]

hey we can post again, awesome.

[uhockey]

I think I'll give away another ingredient.....let's see.......

Creatine Ethyl Ester

Creatine has been a bodybuilding favorite for many years due to its notable effects on strength and lean body mass gains. While creatine monohydrate may suffice for some, recently developed ethyl ester technology has been unveiled to enhance creatine’s bioavailability and improve uptake while generally decreasing the reported stomach cramps and bloating that plagued so many using creatine monohydrate.While obviously replacing creatine stores depleted during training, creatine also induces cellular volumization that results in strength increases and lean body mass gains. Additionally, through its mechanistic enhancement of intracellular water and creatine retention,in muscle cells, the ingredient also enhances endurance and makes for increased productivity during training. For more information on Creatine Ethyl Ester and it’s fantastic effects on athletic performance, please consider Designer Supplements Xceed™.

:)

[Bocephus]

Cool, can't wait to give it a try!

[Blap Blaow]

I think I'll give away another ingredient.....let's see.......

Creatine Ethyl Ester

Creatine has been a bodybuilding favorite for many years due to its notable effects on strength and lean body mass gains. While creatine monohydrate may suffice for some, recently developed ethyl ester technology has been unveiled to enhance creatine’s bioavailability and improve uptake while generally decreasing the reported stomach cramps and bloating that plagued so many using creatine monohydrate.While obviously replacing creatine stores depleted during training, creatine also induces cellular volumization that results in strength increases and lean body mass gains. Additionally, through its mechanistic enhancement of intracellular water and creatine retention,in muscle cells, the ingredient also enhances endurance and makes for increased productivity during training. For more information on Creatine Ethyl Ester and it’s fantastic effects on athletic performance, please consider Designer Supplements Xceed™.

:)

hmm, I'm not sure if this pleases me

[nni]

hmm, I'm not sure if this pleases me

well considering xceed is designed for pre, why would we use something else for post?

[Twin Peak]

hmm, I'm not sure if this pleases me

Fire away as to why.

I think when you see the final formula on Friday, you may thing otherwise.

You need to SEA the BIG PICTURE.

[getbustered]

What is it you guys like so much about CEE? It is obviously the creatine of choice in your products, but why? Do you know something you're not sharing? I'm not a CEE hater (I have a rather large bottle of bulk from GIANT), but I've been more interested in other kinds, lately.

Also, how do you guys get it to taste decent? I was amazed at the taste of Xceed after using bulk. How does Replenish taste?

[Twin Peak]

In short, there is a veritable buttload of research on mono, but nothing else. We like mono, but subjectively from the internal and external feedback we have seen, we like CEE better. That is the short and long of it, nothing magic.

How to we get it to taste so good? We work with experts in flavoring all of our products. Period. And the amount of CEE in Replenish compared to the total serving size and other ingredients is insignificant as far as taste.

[Blap Blaow]

Fire away as to why.

I think when you see the final formula on Friday, you may thing otherwise.

You need to SEA the BIG PICTURE.
A couple reasons.

From my own personal persepctive, I'm suprised you used CEE because with the increasing varieties of creatine people increasingly have their own 'favorites' which they feel work better than others. Obviously few will purchase Replenish based on the creatine content alone but it's a consideration- especially considering the growing popularity of MCC, creatine gluconate etc and people becoming pickier with their choice.

Many will be interested in cycling their supplements- even creatine. I know I go cold turkey for a couple of periods every year on everything except the basic dietary supplements- whey, multi, EFAs etc. Not everyone does I know, but for me it's something I like to do.

Also, the concerns expressed by Dr.Tallon (OxygeniX) and deserusan over CEE are interesting. Whilst they're not enough to sway me one way or another it is enough to make me pause for a moment and consider my choices more carefully.

Like I said, I'm not sure on it, it's a suprise, but I'm definately interested in seeing the final product. Friday?? Damn this month went quick. Looking forward SEAING to it. Had my first TP-PT workout this morning- enjoyed it, but I get the feeling I'll need someone to cuddle me after week 4...

[uhockey]

The CEE is quite obviously low dosed.....the goal is "replenish," not saturate. While mono is fine for some, it bloats others on as little as 2g a day....we don't want that. There has been SOME anecdotal evidence that CEE may be bad.....but there's also been anecdotal evidence that regular creatine mono is bad. All said, Steve is telling the truth. Lower dosing, equal if not better efficacy, and most of all, we can make it taste damned swell.

[Doughboy]

So the reason it was included was because you lose creatine after a workout and you need to restore it?

Or Am I misunderstanding what you mean by replenish?

I guess what I am trying to understand is if I take creatine prior to working out, do I need to replenish stores afterwards or is it for another reason?

Thank You.

[naturalguy]

and the plot thickens.......................................... ..........I have no problem with CEE in it. In my experience it's no better or worse than any other creatine forms. At the end of the day all forms of creatine do the same thing.

[Twin Peak]

Many will be interested in cycling their supplements- even creatine. I know I go cold turkey for a couple of periods every year on everything except the basic dietary supplements- whey, multi, EFAs etc. Not everyone does I know, but for me it's something I like to do.


In addition to Mike's response, I wanted to address this point. I agree with you hear. I cycle all non-nutritional supplements as well, for both efficacy and cost reasons.

I do not believe that Replenish is something that *needs* to be cycled. You have natural creatine stores. Supplementation with a creatine product is intended to supra-elevate your normal creatine stores. REPLENISH does not intend to do that. Rather, it merely seeks to replenish the depleted creatine stores from the workout, and prime you for rest, recovery, and growth.

'Tis all.

[Twin Peak]

So the reason it was included was because you lose creatine after a workout and you need to restore it?

Or Am I misunderstanding what you mean by replenish?

I guess what I am trying to understand is if I take creatine prior to working out, do I need to replenish stores afterwards or is it for another reason?

Thank You.

See my above post, which came after yours Derek. If that isn't clear enough, the write-up should prove useful.

[Doughboy]

See my above post, which came after yours Derek. If that isn't clear enough, the write-up should prove useful.

Steve,

That answers it for me.

Thanks

[uhockey]

So the reason it was included was because you lose creatine after a workout and you need to restore it?

Or Am I misunderstanding what you mean by replenish?

I guess what I am trying to understand is if I take creatine prior to working out, do I need to replenish stores afterwards or is it for another reason?

Thank You.

That is precisely why. See Twin Peak's post. :)

Also, I agree with Naturalguy to the extent that creatine is creatine, but from my own subjective experience, Creatine mono makes me feel terrible whereas orotine and cee do not.

[lanceippolito_delete011408]

is this the same company that produced G PLENISH i think it was by GLUTAGAIN? btw what happend to that supplment? i loved it

[Dublo]

is this the same company that produced G PLENISH i think it was by GLUTAGAIN? btw what happend to that supplment? i loved it


What? No.

[uhockey]

is this the same company that produced G PLENISH i think it was by GLUTAGAIN? btw what happend to that supplment? i loved it

No, we're the same company who produces all the really awesome products that you can read about here... http://www.designersupps.com/static_site/index.php

[lanceippolito_delete011408]

No, we're the same company who produces all the really awesome products that you can read about here... http://www.designersupps.com/static_site/index.php

your supplements seem like a treasure, i may have to jouce with them.

[uhockey]

your supplements seem like a treasure, i may have to jouce with them.

We try very hard to give customers what they need, not some junk proprietary blend disguised to confuse. We also aim for 100% customer support, although sometimes we lack. I know I do my best, but my schedule/life isn't exactly relaxed.

[R-Factor]

Can't wait till friday to see this stuff. I am gonna have to check out the New years transformation thread out there.

[uhockey]

Can't wait till friday to see this stuff. I am gonna have to check out the New years transformation thread out there.

Do so. It's a great opportunity.

Info will be posted up by Robboe TOMORROW and I'll be on it as of Saturday.

[Twin Peak]

Christmas presents may come early.

[R-Factor]

Do so. It's a great opportunity.

Info will be posted up by Robboe TOMORROW and I'll be on it as of Saturday.

Will it be available for purchase from the bb.com store on Friday as well?

[Twin Peak]

No.

It will not be available anywhere until mid-Dec.

[getbustered]

Christmas presents may come early.


Sweet. What are you getting me? :D

[Twin Peak]

Sweet. What are you getting me? :D

A life.

Actually, you already have a little bundle on the way.

[Robboe]

Christmas presents may come early.

Kinda like this, you mean?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=12886311#post12886311

[getbustered]

A life.

Actually, you already have a little bundle on the way.


Ruthless.

And then thanks, yes I do.

[uhockey]

Ahead of schedule? WTF. :)

[Robboe]

Ahead of schedule? WTF. :)

It's a weird feeling, i must confess.

[Doughboy]

Question on the consistency. I assume the consistency will be just like a whey shake and not like say an EAA/BCAA drink?

[Twin Peak]

Question on the consistency. I assume the consistency will be just like a whey shake and not like say an EAA/BCAA drink?

More like a whey shake, yes.

[aoba]

Solid work guys. :D

Look forward to using this when i run out of my bulk waxy maize starch.

[uhockey]

Solid work guys. :D

Look forward to using this when i run out of my bulk waxy maize starch.

Cool. Let us know what you think when that time comes. :)

[king_keyser]

Can someone here explain to me what "ethyl ester" is? I read somewhere that the ethyls is crap that the body don´t want.. and thus mono is superiour.

I´ve never had a problem with bloating, but I know some do... what the hecks wrong with bloating anyhow :)

Can bergamottin not be used in post work out for increased absorption? Why isn´t it used in any supplements?

Doesn´t whey protein isolate contain a lot of leucine, how much is in a good 20gr dose of whey protein.. and how much is in a dose of replenish? Hasn´t research shown that the main benefits of leucine are from HMB?

[Dimitar]

Is Sustain Van Almond bar coming after or before Replenish?

[Robboe]

Can someone here explain to me what "ethyl ester" is? I read somewhere that the ethyls is crap that the body don´t want.. and thus mono is superiour.

I´ve never had a problem with bloating, but I know some do... what the hecks wrong with bloating anyhow :)

Can bergamottin not be used in post work out for increased absorption? Why isn´t it used in any supplements?

Doesn´t whey protein isolate contain a lot of leucine, how much is in a good 20gr dose of whey protein.. and how much is in a dose of replenish? Hasn´t research shown that the main benefits of leucine are from HMB?

Ethyl ester = alcohol and ester attachments. They appear to increase oral bioavailability of the creatine.

Bloating makes people feel sick. Not so good.

Bargamottin inhibits the cytochrome p450 system. These enzymes are responsible for drug and toxin breakdown etc. It is good if you want to potentiate/prolong the effects of a stimulant, but for macronutrients there is no point as the CYP450 does not break them down. Plus, bergamottin really is a poor man's quercetin or naringenin.

Whey is high in BCAAs, yes. I am not sure of the %age off the top of my head. There are 30g wheyin replenish. The additional leucine and isoleucine is on top of this.

Not sure whta you're talking about re: HMB.

[Robboe]

Is Sustain Van Almond bar coming after or before Replenish?

To my knowledge, the latest batch of sustain bars arrived on friday. Or at least was due to arrive on friday. They usually have to sit at customs for a few days.

But replenish is due for Dec 15th exclusively from one of our retailers. I do not expect us to have the bars turned over and in our retailers by then, so replenish will probably see the light of day first.

[deserusan]

Bargamottin inhibits the cytochrome p450 system. These enzymes are responsible for drug and toxin breakdown etc. It is good if you want to potentiate/prolong the effects of a stimulant, but for macronutrients there is no point as the CYP450 does not break them down. Plus, bergamottin really is a poor man's quercetin or naringenin.



I didn't know CYP450 suppression potentiated stimulants which is good to know. I was looking into Rutaecarpine and noticed it suppressed this heavily. I thought it was used more as an NO inducer and is why BSN and a few other companies with poorly thoughtout supplements use it. I wasn't impressed because of it's negative effect on Ca2+ channels, especially in vascular muscle tissue. Looks likes my next article idea for ID will be another humdinger. :p

[king_keyser]

Robboe,
thanks for the reply.

That´s what i thought about the ethyl ester... how can it be better to have alcahol, sound toxic and extra work for the liever to me. Does creatines bioavailability really have to be increased, why not just take more, it´s cheap(and it works great for me atleast).. especially when it´s with somelike like an alcahol ester!?

What I meant about HMB is that it´s a metabolite of leucine, and hasn´t research shown that most of leucines benefits are really from HMB.. or clueless here?

Bargamottin has been shown to increase the absorption of many many drugs. Would it not increase the absortpion of something like beta-alanine, citruline mallate etc etc.

What do you mean about quercetin and naringin... do they work better than bargamottin. Should I add that to my viagra stash(viagra, grapejuice, NO booster,(looking forward to trying vasoflow, l norvaline) and bioperine.

When I try replenish.. I´ll be adding beta-alanine, would grapejuice to nothing for this cocktail?

I´m wondering how Replenish compares price and performance wise to a whey protein(rich in leucine), beta-alanine, citruline, grape juice(carbs), creatine mono shake. Too bad 4-hydroxyisoleucine can´t be had in bulk to my knowledge.

[Robboe]

I didn't know CYP450 suppression potentiated stimulants which is good to know. I was looking into Rutaecarpine and noticed it suppressed this heavily. I thought it was used more as an NO inducer and is why BSN and a few other companies with poorly thoughtout supplements use it. I wasn't impressed because of it's negative effect on Ca2+ channels, especially in vascular muscle tissue. Looks likes my next article idea for ID will be another humdinger. :p

I once read into ruta. It's from the same plant as evodiamine. Has some sort of blood flow promoting effects independant of NO? I dunno, it's a bit vague now.

Anyhoo, Des, you never used GXR with a stim before? The quercetin inhibits the enzyme responsible for the breakdown of the stimulant, so the life of the stim is prolonged and more apparent.

I don't see how CYP inhibition would prolong NO signalling, because CYP does not break down NO. Or arginine. or citrulline. But PDE inhibition would work as it will reduce/prevent the breakdown of cGMP. Viagra is a PDE inhibitor.

[Robboe]

Robboe,
thanks for the reply.

That´s what i thought about the ethyl ester... how can it be better to have alcahol, sound toxic and extra work for the liever to me. Does creatines bioavailability really have to be increased, why not just take more, it´s cheap(and it works great for me atleast).. especially when it´s with somelike like an alcahol ester!?

Again, due to stomach cramping issues raised by many. I personally never noticed any stomach cramping from monohydrate, but then again, i never noticed a whole lot of anything from monohydrate.



What I meant about HMB is that it´s a metabolite of leucine, and hasn´t research shown that most of leucines benefits are really from HMB.. or clueless here?

Beats me. But the research showing positive effect from leucine, and from whey + leucine, and from whey + leucine + carbs is undeniable. Whether the benefit is due to its metabolite, i am not sure.



Bargamottin has been shown to increase the absorption of many many drugs. Would it not increase the absortpion of something like beta-alanine, citruline mallate etc etc.

Absorption is different. Bergamottin inhibits the enzymes that break drugs and toxins down. It does not increase absorption in the intestines (that i am ware of anyway). beta-alanine and citrulline malate are amino acids (with a malic acid attachment in the cause of citrulline malate). Macronutrients are not metabolized by CYP450.



What do you mean about quercetin and naringin... do they work better than bargamottin. Should I add that to my viagra stash(viagra, grapejuice, NO booster,(looking forward to trying vasoflow, l norvaline) and bioperine.

Yeah, i certainly think quercetin and nargenin are superior to bergamottin. Why do you use viagra exactly? For sexual aid, right?



When I try replenish.. I´ll be adding beta-alanine, would grapejuice to nothing for this cocktail?

I am big beta-alanine fan, but i would recommend its use over long-term bases rather than just post-workout. Why the grapejuice?



I´m wondering how Replenish compares price and performance wise to a whey protein(rich in leucine), beta-alanine, citruline, grape juice(carbs), creatine mono shake. Too bad 4-hydroxyisoleucine can´t be had in bulk to my knowledge.

4-hydroxy is atrociously expensive. I had to fight tooth and nail to have it included.

[deserusan]

I don't see how CYP inhibition would prolong NO signalling, because CYP does not break down NO. Or arginine. or citrulline. But PDE inhibition would work as it will reduce/prevent the breakdown of cGMP. Viagra is a PDE inhibitor.

It doesn't but Rut reduces Ca2+ concentrations in smooth muscle tissues and increases their influx in endothial cells causing vasorelaxation. To me it seems absurb to load something with stimulants and then potentiate their effects by altering liver enzymes used to metabolize toxins. Any thoughts?

[king_keyser]

So grapefruit juice(Bergamottin) only works with drugs... not like bioperine seems to work with loads of stuff. But Bioperine, quercetin and grape juice would increase a drugs performance.

I´ve thought people had more problems with electrolytes than creatine as far as stomach goes(loads of phosphates is the only thing that has EVER given me stomach problems)?

The replenish looks good to me, but a bit expensive(which is why I´m asking of a cheaper bulk stack), especially since creatine mono works great for me, and I don´t sweat that much when I lift heavy, so the electrolites probably don´t do much for me.

[uhockey]

The replenish looks good to me, but a bit expensive(which is why I´m asking of a cheaper bulk stack), especially since creatine mono works great for me, and I don´t sweat that much when I lift heavy, so the electrolites probably don´t do much for me.

Take a look at it as compares to other products of the same type.

Your questions about bonding to an alcohol making CEE (especially w/regard to the liver) more toxic indicate you need to read more about organic chemistry. It's all about hydrophilicity/hydrophobicity.

[Robboe]

It doesn't but Rut reduces Ca2+ concentrations in smooth muscle tissues and increases their influx in endothial cells causing vasorelaxation. To me it seems absurb to load something with stimulants and then potentiate their effects by altering liver enzymes used to metabolize toxins. Any thoughts?

If the product has more than one "main" stimulant, or beta-adrenergic agonist, then yeah, it can be a bit haphazard. But one of the cool things, which is kinda lost on most people when it comes to this kind of thing, is that CYP inhibitors allow for a similar/same effect from a lesser dose of said stimulant. Unfortunately, most use the same stim dose and add the cyp inhibitor to crank it up a lot.

[Robboe]

So grapefruit juice(Bergamottin) only works with drugs... not like bioperine seems to work with loads of stuff. But Bioperine, quercetin and grape juice would increase a drugs performance

ahh, grapefruit juice. You wrote grape juice earlier. Grapefruit juice also contains naringenin. These compounds act to inhibits enzymes that remove drugs and toxins from the body. Bioperine is an extract of piperine that helps with absorption. These are two very different effects.

[king_keyser]

uhockey,
I know it isn´t expensive in that regard, but for my pocket.. it´s still kinda expensive, if that explains anything:)
I don´t know do didldly about organic chemistry... just that anything alcohol ester doesn´t sound like anything you want in your body, am I wrong? Is it one of them thing´s that are "safe in moderate amounts" like all these awfull artificial sweteners(I for one would prefer bad taste to artificial sweeteners), or are you saying it´s non toxic at all?

Is there a specific reason there isn´t beta-alanine in this, and phosphates like ip6?

Robboe,
I´m almost afraid to ask... grapefruit, grape.. .is there a difference? I did a google search and it looks like grapefruit is them orangy things, but grape is berries(which is so confusing, because in my country we tall the sour orangy thing grape). So I want the orangy thing... not the berries :) ?

[Robboe]

What country you in?

Grapefruit: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/syllabi/422/grapefruit.jpg

Grapes: http://www.brimstonehillwine.com/Black%20Grapes.jpg

[king_keyser]

haha this is uber weird. I live in iceland.. here we sell "grape" juice.. and it´s actually grapefruit, and now I´ve asked a bunch of people, and ALL of them think a grape is grapefruit, and look at me like I´m nuts when I tell them grapes are blue looking berries. Guess some duffus got lazy when interpreting.

Will Replenish have any artificial sweeteners... what can you guys tell me about trehalose and what do you think of it.

[Robboe]

Artificial sweeteners - i am not sure to be honest, but i would expect so. Some of the stuff in there are difficult to mask. But flavoring is not my bag, so i have no idea.

P.s. grapes can be green also. The blue-ish ones are actually purple/red.

[lightsout123]

is replenish available yet to purchase..thanks

[Robboe]

12/15.

Check our website for news and availabilty.

[njmuscle66]

is replenish available yet to purchase..thanks

Not yet-December 15th is the announced date

[lightsout123]

thanks fellas

[Robboe]

Seven days...