WTF continued.....

[deserusan]

Since the MODS locked my thread we'll keep it going in this one. We wouldn't want any conspiracy theories to be deemed reality.

WTF part I (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=842512)

[cervasa1977]

Nice thread part two

I am sure des you just happened to google that today ;)

[deserusan]

Nice thread part two

I am sure des you just happened to google that today ;)

You know it. :D Woo hoo.....6100 posts. That's a whole lot of shilling and trolling.

[cervasa1977]

You know it. :D
LOL

[Slated]

skippy natty pb will be the death of me...

Still love you Des ;)

:)

[sawastea]

Congrats on 6,101 posts.

[IntensityX]

Congrats on 6,101 posts.

Congrats to 12,618 posts :D

[TinyMan]

You enjoy what you do too much des.

;)

[dito]

seeing how many I have.

Damn, I have more than swaseeta :(

[ericpeavey]

definately why i never bought any controlled labs products, they all seemed fishy to me for some reason and now i guess i know why.

long live shock therapy/storm

and.... *cough* anator *cough*

[Kledz]

Why was the other one closed and who closed it?

[IntensityX]

You know it. :D Woo hoo.....6100 posts. That's a whole lot of shilling and trolling.

Would you like a free bottle of Anator?

[Slated]

seeing how many I have.

Damn, I have more than swaseeta :(
:)

[cxm]

LMAO!!!! At this.....hahaha :D

[cervasa1977]

definately why i never bought any controlled labs products, they all seemed fishy to me for some reason and now i guess i know why.

long live shock therapy/storm

and.... *cough* anator *cough*
I am glad that you are going to listen to a 16 year old kid who never works out has tried every product including PH's all before the ripe age of 15. He has beef with companies when they don't pick him as a tester based on his age then tries to bash all these companies, its not only CL that he has attacked on this forum. Despite his qualities at times he brings more drama to this board then help. His intentions on this board are always questioned and has had serveral usernames and guess what everyone of them has been banned.

[storm shadow]

If maxx spent all of the time that he does trying to "expose" supplement companies and making fancy smancy write ups in the gym, he would be hyooge.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

definately why i never bought any controlled labs products, they all seemed fishy to me for some reason and now i guess i know why.

long live shock therapy/storm

and.... *cough* anator *cough*
so you are going to believe all of the accusations, if you can call them that, at face value? then you move on to another stack of products that is also a blend?

[Eric Burton]

I am glad that you are going to listen to a 16 year old kid who never works out has tried every product including PH's all before the ripe age of 15. He has beef with companies when they don't pick him as a tester based on his age then tries to bash all these companies, its not only CL that he has attacked on this forum. Despite his qualities at times he brings more drama to this board then help. His intentions on this board are always questioned and has had serveral usernames and guess what everyone of them has been banned.

That's a very excellent summary of Max, well said.:cool:

[cxm]

If maxx spent all of the time that he does trying to "expose" supplement companies and making fancy smancy write ups in the gym, he would be hyooge.

I say drop the issues of supplements for max and he should go audition for a TV show on Nickelodeon's channel. Maybe like an Inspector Gadget Jr. show for max. :D

[TinyMan]

I say drop the issues of supplements for max and he should go audition for a TV show on Nickelodeon's channel. Maybe like an Inspector Gadget Jr. show for max. :D

What, no UFC? I'm disappointed :(

[CanadaBBOY]

blam

[cervasa1977]

What, no UFC? I'm disappointed :(
LOL

[cervasa1977]

That's a very excellent summary of Max, well said.:cool:
Thanks, despite any good intentions that Maxx may have or post I believe his past and his present intentions destroy any real credability..........

[dito]

Max does bring up valid points.

[TinyMan]

Max does bring up valid points.

While I don't necessarily agree with the way Max handles himself, or his 'fashion' for presenting his thoughts, I must agree that he is quite bright, and don't think his writing should be dismissed. Take the facts, take the logic, and evaluate. He's not completely off-base with his math/logic, although I think he is with how he tries to get his message out.

[cervasa1977]

Max does bring up valid points.
I agree Max at times does bring up valid points I just believe that he creates more drama then help and has nothing to really back up his statements. He has intentions that go way beyond trying to help out others on this board hey next DITO he may attack your company better watch out never know when this guy will get bored of CL and move on to another..........

[Eric Burton]

Max does bring up valid points.

What points does he have. Not trying to start an argument with you or anything, I just want to see what he's actually contributed.

[cxm]

Max does bring up valid points.

Yes he does dito, but he goes about it in a very immature manner. Only if he would use his intelligence in a different way.

[dito]

While I don't necessarily agree with the way Max handles himself, or his 'fashion' for presenting his thoughts, I must agree that he is quite bright, and don't think his writing should be dismissed. Take the facts, take the logic, and evaluate. He's not completely off-base with his math/logic, although I think he is with how he tries to get his message out.

Aye.

[cxm]

Aye.

haha :D

[dito]

What points does he have. Not trying to start an argument with you or anything, I just want to see what he's actually contributed.


Read the links that Des posted in the first thread.

[dito]

I agree Max at times does bring up valid points I just believe that he creates more drama then help and has nothing to really back up his statements. He has intentions that go way beyond trying to help out others on this board hey next DITO he may attack your company better watch out never know when this guy will get bored of CL and move on to another..........


He already has. He doesn't have much to attack us on besides price. I don't really mind max that much though. He's got potential.

[dtrain13]

watch out never know when this guy will get bored of CL and move on to another..........

LOL....He already tried with SNS and our CE2 Matrix and he got shutdown pretty quickly. Anyway a little insight into what Max knows about anything taken from our forum:


I would be careful with ATD.
My guess is, since ATD has no half life and just builds up in your system, if you start at high doses with Nolva, it just gets unused, and stores, so when your off cycle and you have no estrogen in your body at all, once it comes back, your gonna be estrogen sensitive, therefore I guess post cycle gyno.. just my take.
Sell that green bulge on ebay. The K-R-ALA isnt going to make up for the lack of creatine(theres like 2g tops in there)

There is so much wrong with this post it isn't even funny. Oh and one other thing, lets not forget that Max spends more time playing Pokemon than lifting as younglifter pointed out for us.

[cervasa1977]

He already has. He doesn't have much to attack us on besides price. I don't really mind max that much though. He's got potential.
I disagree he has childish intents that are out to harm companies.... If I was a rep I would like him to aslong as he is attacking others :D

[Eric Burton]

Read the links that Des posted in the first thread.

Alright, will do.:cool:

[cxm]

I disagree he has childish intents that are out to harm companies.... If I was a rep I would like him to aslong as he is attacking others :D

haha, I see Max as a plauge against supplement companies, he just wont stop no cure hahaha :D

[dito]

I disagree he has childish intents that are out to harm companies.... If I was a rep I would like him to aslong as he is attacking others :D


Nor would one like him if he was attacking their favorite company.

[cervasa1977]

Nor would one like him if he was attacking their favorite company.
Agreed :D but I hated Max way before I started taking any CL products.... I was waiting for someone to bring this up..... I have attacked him time and time again and PMed mods about his post way before ever testing anything for CL, I just don't see what good he brings.....

[cervasa1977]

haha, I see Max as a plauge against supplement companies, he just wont stop no cure hahaha :D
Really he isn't going anywhere and its kinda fun trying to figure out what his new user name is :D

[dito]

Agreed :D but I hated Max way before I started taking any CL products.... I was waiting for someone to bring this up..... I have attacked him time and time again and PM mods about his post way before ever testing anything for CL, I just don't see what good he brings.....

mods have their pm's off. Not sure why. Probably to keep CL from pming them every 5 minutes.

[cervasa1977]

mods have their pm's off. Not sure why. Probably to keep CL from pming them every 5 minutes.
LOL :D

[ericgonzalez]

I agree Max at times does bring up valid points I just believe that he creates more drama then help and has nothing to really back up his statements. He has intentions that go way beyond trying to help out others on this board hey next DITO he may attack your company better watch out never know when this guy will get bored of CL and move on to another..........

Well said

[dito]

so you are going to believe all of the accusations, if you can call them that, at face value? then you move on to another stack of products that is also a blend?


Hi Banche. When are you comming to chat again?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Hi Banche. When are you comming to chat again?
whenever you show me some love daddy :)

[storm shadow]

Hi Banche. When are you comming to chat again?
LMAO, who's banche?

[E-Go]

I disagree he has childish intents that are out to harm companies.... If I was a rep I would like him to aslong as he is attacking others :D

LMAO, Max is the "T.O." of BB.com. :D

[CONTROLLED LABS]

LMAO, who's banche?
its my street walker name on thermochat :D

[storm shadow]

its my street walker name on thermochat :D
O'RLY

[cervasa1977]

LMAO, Max is the "T.O." of BB.com. :D
LOL at least T.O has talent :D

[ericpeavey]

so you are going to believe all of the accusations, if you can call them that, at face value? then you move on to another stack of products that is also a blend?

actually i said i never bought them because they seemed fishy to me, not because i believe what someone said about them.

jeeze... you're so hurt over this thread

[CONTROLLED LABS]

O'RLY
yup, they are a crazy bunch over there.

[MAX1SBACKK]

Ok, here is what I got to say to everybody:

Jkeithc82
I know why you keep banning me. Because I posted up a picture of from your myspace, with you and your mom and called you fat. You felt insulted, made your myspace private and are now pissed off at me and trying to get me back in every possible way that you can. Good job *******. I don’t understand, first you unblock me out of the blue and tell me that you like the fact that I question companies, but recently you’ve tried your best to keep me from doing that.
Isn’t that what you called biased? Why wont you ban Envirocopy for being LMAO back in the day, or maybe Younglifter, he’s been banned for rep trade before. Sword has an extra username too! Sorry if you don’t like me mentioning you, you’re the only ones I can remember right now.
Don’t even give me that ****, you even unbanned HYPEBEAST for me, and let me stay under different usernames. Let go of your grudge and stop your little bias against me, trust me.

Cervasa
I don’t think Tank, the owner of Controlled Labs, or many of these CEO’s are that big, so why do you buy these products? I never took prohormones so don’t run your mouth about things you don’t know or don’t involve you. If you are going to talk about me causing drama, look at you. All you do is say “derr derr hes a tool” and then occasionally agree with the reps when they say whatever.
On top of that, I am pretty sure you are quite defensive of Controlled Labs since you are doing a second “testers” log for them, pretty big stacks too.
And you seem pretty immature for a 29 year old.

To those who think I’m immature:
When somebody starts a thread or I have something going, I have about 10 different people constantly saying what a tool I am and so on, you are already putting me where you think I should be without even giving a chance. In the last thread I stayed away from all good/negative comments and addressed any concerns and whatever, and in the end, JKeith deletes my posts and bans me.

To Dito:
The only thing that really judges a supplement is its price. That’s why we bash MuscleTech, BSN, and so on. If we have a crappy under dosed product, that’s at a really low price, then you can take a high dose of it with no problems. Why pay a lot of money for something that wont do good? I think you are partly trying to defend ThermoLife.

To DTrain:
1- ATD has no half life. It just stays until it does its job. That’s why if you take too much you eventually build up, and no estrogen left. Then when it goes out you are estrogen sensitive and bam, gyno. As even AX reps said, it is probably from the high doses of ATD.
2- As far as the Green Bulge, the K-R-ALA can help mimick insulin and I guess better delivery. Why do you think there is ALA in Cell Tech? If that statement is wrong, then CL has nothing to say about the 2g dose in Green Bulge, and no excuse for it.

 

On the Controlled Labs Issue:
Why do I have a grudge on them?
- Marketing Hype
- They don’t deserve it
- Under dosed Products
- No proof of good quality
- Every newbie that comes here gets “forced” into buying their products.

Now, lets get into detail.
1- They hype all the ingredients and then release the products. They literally have a group of street teamers that pimp their products, and piss massive amounts of testers, usually the same ones over and over.

2- Green Bulge seems like a strongly under dosed product for its price.
White Blood looks like **** comparing to SNS Arginine E2. Why? Because SNS Arginine E2 has a higher dosed blend, and all 3 ingredients support nitric oxide pre-cursing, opposing to White Blood who has a lower blend of 8 ingredients where only 2 of them do anything

Take Animal Pump.
It has 3g of Creatine, which can top GB in a heart beat, and it is mostly coming from MCC.
The Nitric Oxide blend in there is 2g, just like in White Blood, but all ingredients in there have synergy as well as proper dosing.
It has a over 150mg Grape seed Extract, a very potent anti-oxidant and very well dosed, as well as 4 others. It also contains a much better insulin penetration blend, as well as a similar dose in Taurine. The 4-Hydroxyisolecuine in the blend is listed as just the active, and the source is put into other ingredients.
I am willing to put money Animal Pump can blow Green Bulge / White Blood away, its only $30, very reputable company, and if you bring it up to $50, by adding PrimaForce see, you have 2 months worth of Post-Workout Creatine.
Ownage? Yes, but these good, better products will never get out to newbies because of all the street teamers and supporters they have, because most of the educated members on this board are now reps, so they obviously cant recommend other products, as well as interfere in a WB/GB thread, and the massive hype.

3- Look on their website.
Green Bulge, White Blood, Red Acid, GlycerGrow, and Purple Wraath have 6 month old COA’s that say they have traces of a single ingredient. They did not test raws, but the products. That’s terrible, I mean a bad batch of CEE still has some CEE in it.
SesaGlow and Green Magnitude have no CoA’s and are their top products..
Now, take a look at Blue Up and Blue Up Stim Free:
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=29
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=32
Notice that both of the Blue Ups point to the same 6 month old COA. Also notice that they are two different products with supposently same batch number.
What does that tell you about their quality? What liars would test 1 MANUFACTURED product, not even raws, and put it up for two different products. That’s like checking Scivation CEE Caps for CEE purity and providing it as a COA for Scivation powder CEE. I wont even get into detail about what a terrible product Blue Up is.

4- Now, every newbie that comes to this board and asks about MuscleTech or BSN gets flamed to death, to a point where he doesn’t come back because of confusion or somebody hints him into getting a CL stack. Then he starts a CL stack thread, where the CL groupies come in and will flame anyone to death if they say its sucks, and reps cant pimp their products in another companies thread.

5- I’ve seen enough to say that this company produces horrible products, high price tags and hype. I don’t believe their practices are done properly and have no proof of them being good quality. On top of that, the irony of their privacy police and the CEO posting up my private information:

Personal Information Privacy We will take all necessary steps to keep your personal information confidential. Those steps include limiting access to informational databases, encrypting sensitive information and securing our data with appropriate passwords and user permissions.

We will never sell, rent, or share any customer information with other companies for any reason.

Every attempt at going against this company has been stopped as hard as it can because retailers get very high mark up on these product. They sell because of hype, so in the end the retailers are happy so why would anybody question anything?
Every body who I spoke to said Green Bulge sucks, except the majority of testers but tester logs are biased just because of the thrill of getting a free product and possibly getting re-picked.




As far as my calculations, I know for a fact there is 500mg CEE per serving of GB, and 75% to 25% ratio of MCC to CEE, putting at 2g Creatine per serving. That leaves betaine under 500mg but it cannot be below 300mg because then the structure falls:

HyperCre Complex: 1450mg
300mg Betaine Anhydrous
300mg Taurine Ethyl Ester
300mg Arginine Ethyl Ester
75mg Glycocyamine
75mg K-R-ALA
75mg 4-HI

That’s 1125mg, and not to mention too low dosed to do much. 1 scoop of Swole, CVM Xtreme, or maybe some Satur8 can already top almost every ingredient in that blend. Not to mention all three of those products are from quality companies. So now you know for a fact its between 300-500mg Betaine and 75-125mg G-AMINE.




I am willing to address all other questions formally and will not respond to any flames, unless you address something in a flaming matter. To Controlled Labs, I am interested in YOUR response to my post, and will answer any question that is along the subject.

My question to everybody else is why they are such haters and go nuts about something that happened in the past. You need to admit to change and watch life go on, dwelling in the past wont get you far,


Thank you
- OMGITSMAXX

[Blap Blaow]

Ok, here is what I got to say to everybody:

Jkeithc82
I know why you keep banning me. Because I posted up a picture of from your myspace, with you and your mom and called you fat. You felt insulted, made your myspace private and are now pissed off at me and trying to get me back in every possible way that you can. Good job *******. I don’t understand, first you unblock me out of the blue and tell me that you like the fact that I question companies, but recently you’ve tried your best to keep me from doing that.
Isn’t that what you called biased? Why wont you ban Envirocopy for being LMAO back in the day, or maybe Younglifter, he’s been banned for rep trade before. Sword has an extra username too! Sorry if you don’t like me mentioning you, you’re the only ones I can remember right now.
Don’t even give me that ****, you even unbanned HYPEBEAST for me, and let me stay under different usernames. Let go of your grudge and stop your little bias against me, trust me.

Cervasa
I don’t think Tank, the owner of Controlled Labs, or many of these CEO’s are that big, so why do you buy these products? I never took prohormones so don’t run your mouth about things you don’t know or don’t involve you. If you are going to talk about me causing drama, look at you. All you do is say “derr derr hes a tool” and then occasionally agree with the reps when they say whatever.
On top of that, I am pretty sure you are quite defensive of Controlled Labs since you are doing a second “testers” log for them, pretty big stacks too.
And you seem pretty immature for a 29 year old.

To those who think I’m immature:
When somebody starts a thread or I have something going, I have about 10 different people constantly saying what a tool I am and so on, you are already putting me where you think I should be without even giving a chance. In the last thread I stayed away from all good/negative comments and addressed any concerns and whatever, and in the end, JKeith deletes my posts and bans me.

To Dito:
The only thing that really judges a supplement is its price. That’s why we bash MuscleTech, BSN, and so on. If we have a crappy under dosed product, that’s at a really low price, then you can take a high dose of it with no problems. Why pay a lot of money for something that wont do good? I think you are partly trying to defend ThermoLife.

To DTrain:
1- ATD has no half life. It just stays until it does its job. That’s why if you take too much you eventually build up, and no estrogen left. Then when it goes out you are estrogen sensitive and bam, gyno. As even AX reps said, it is probably from the high doses of ATD.
2- As far as the Green Bulge, the K-R-ALA can help mimick insulin and I guess better delivery. Why do you think there is ALA in Cell Tech? If that statement is wrong, then CL has nothing to say about the 2g dose in Green Bulge, and no excuse for it.

 

On the Controlled Labs Issue:
Why do I have a grudge on them?
- Marketing Hype
- They don’t deserve it
- Under dosed Products
- No proof of good quality
- Every newbie that comes here gets “forced” into buying their products.

Now, lets get into detail.
1- They hype all the ingredients and then release the products. They literally have a group of street teamers that pimp their products, and piss massive amounts of testers, usually the same ones over and over.

2- Green Bulge seems like a strongly under dosed product for its price.
White Blood looks like **** comparing to SNS Arginine E2. Why? Because SNS Arginine E2 has a higher dosed blend, and all 3 ingredients support nitric oxide pre-cursing, opposing to White Blood who has a lower blend of 8 ingredients where only 2 of them do anything

Take Animal Pump.
It has 3g of Creatine, which can top GB in a heart beat, and it is mostly coming from MCC.
The Nitric Oxide blend in there is 2g, just like in White Blood, but all ingredients in there have synergy as well as proper dosing.
It has a over 150mg Grape seed Extract, a very potent anti-oxidant and very well dosed, as well as 4 others. It also contains a much better insulin penetration blend, as well as a similar dose in Taurine. The 4-Hydroxyisolecuine in the blend is listed as just the active, and the source is put into other ingredients.
I am willing to put money Animal Pump can blow Green Bulge / White Blood away, its only $30, very reputable company, and if you bring it up to $50, by adding PrimaForce see, you have 2 months worth of Post-Workout Creatine.
Ownage? Yes, but these good, better products will never get out to newbies because of all the street teamers and supporters they have, because most of the educated members on this board are now reps, so they obviously cant recommend other products, as well as interfere in a WB/GB thread, and the massive hype.

3- Look on their website.
Green Bulge, White Blood, Red Acid, GlycerGrow, and Purple Wraath have 6 month old COA’s that say they have traces of a single ingredient. They did not test raws, but the products. That’s terrible, I mean a bad batch of CEE still has some CEE in it.
SesaGlow and Green Magnitude have no CoA’s and are their top products..
Now, take a look at Blue Up and Blue Up Stim Free:
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=29
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=32
Notice that both of the Blue Ups point to the same 6 month old COA. Also notice that they are two different products with supposently same batch number.
What does that tell you about their quality? What liars would test 1 MANUFACTURED product, not even raws, and put it up for two different products. That’s like checking Scivation CEE Caps for CEE purity and providing it as a COA for Scivation powder CEE. I wont even get into detail about what a terrible product Blue Up is.

4- Now, every newbie that comes to this board and asks about MuscleTech or BSN gets flamed to death, to a point where he doesn’t come back because of confusion or somebody hints him into getting a CL stack. Then he starts a CL stack thread, where the CL groupies come in and will flame anyone to death if they say its sucks, and reps cant pimp their products in another companies thread.

5- I’ve seen enough to say that this company produces horrible products, high price tags and hype. I don’t believe their practices are done properly and have no proof of them being good quality. On top of that, the irony of their privacy police and the CEO posting up my private information:

Personal Information Privacy We will take all necessary steps to keep your personal information confidential. Those steps include limiting access to informational databases, encrypting sensitive information and securing our data with appropriate passwords and user permissions.

We will never sell, rent, or share any customer information with other companies for any reason.

Every attempt at going against this company has been stopped as hard as it can because retailers get very high mark up on these product. They sell because of hype, so in the end the retailers are happy so why would anybody question anything?
Every body who I spoke to said Green Bulge sucks, except the majority of testers but tester logs are biased just because of the thrill of getting a free product and possibly getting re-picked.




As far as my calculations, I know for a fact there is 500mg CEE per serving of GB, and 75% to 25% ratio of MCC to CEE, putting at 2g Creatine per serving. That leaves betaine under 500mg but it cannot be below 300mg because then the structure falls:

HyperCre Complex: 1450mg
300mg Betaine Anhydrous
300mg Taurine Ethyl Ester
300mg Arginine Ethyl Ester
75mg Glycocyamine
75mg K-R-ALA
75mg 4-HI

That’s 1125mg, and not to mention too low dosed to do much. 1 scoop of Swole, CVM Xtreme, or maybe some Satur8 can already top almost every ingredient in that blend. Not to mention all three of those products are from quality companies. So now you know for a fact its between 300-500mg Betaine and 75-125mg G-AMINE.




I am willing to address all other questions formally and will not respond to any flames, unless you address something in a flaming matter. To Controlled Labs, I am interested in YOUR response to my post, and will answer any question that is along the subject.

My question to everybody else is why they are such haters and go nuts about something that happened in the past. You need to admit to change and watch life go on, dwelling in the past wont get you far,


Thank you
- OMGITSMAXX

my word that's a long post!

[dito]

To Dito:
The only thing that really judges a supplement is its price. That’s why we bash MuscleTech, BSN, and so on. If we have a crappy under dosed product, that’s at a really low price, then you can take a high dose of it with no problems. Why pay a lot of money for something that wont do good? I think you are partly trying to defend ThermoLife.

Price is the only thing that judges a supplement? What about efectiveness? Why not just pay for something good that may be a little more instead of having to take more of the crappy underdosed one and you end up in the same place?

[Younglifter16]

Ok, here is what I got to say to everybody:

Jkeithc82
I know why you keep banning me. Because I posted up a picture of from your myspace, with you and your mom and called you fat. You felt insulted, made your myspace private and are now pissed off at me and trying to get me back in every possible way that you can. Good job *******. I don’t understand, first you unblock me out of the blue and tell me that you like the fact that I question companies, but recently you’ve tried your best to keep me from doing that.
Isn’t that what you called biased? Why wont you ban Envirocopy for being LMAO back in the day, or maybe Younglifter, he’s been banned for rep trade before. Sword has an extra username too! Sorry if you don’t like me mentioning you, you’re the only ones I can remember right now.
Don’t even give me that ****, you even unbanned HYPEBEAST for me, and let me stay under different usernames. Let go of your grudge and stop your little bias against me, trust me.

Cervasa
I don’t think Tank, the owner of Controlled Labs, or many of these CEO’s are that big, so why do you buy these products? I never took prohormones so don’t run your mouth about things you don’t know or don’t involve you. If you are going to talk about me causing drama, look at you. All you do is say “derr derr hes a tool” and then occasionally agree with the reps when they say whatever.
On top of that, I am pretty sure you are quite defensive of Controlled Labs since you are doing a second “testers” log for them, pretty big stacks too.
And you seem pretty immature for a 29 year old.

To those who think I’m immature:
When somebody starts a thread or I have something going, I have about 10 different people constantly saying what a tool I am and so on, you are already putting me where you think I should be without even giving a chance. In the last thread I stayed away from all good/negative comments and addressed any concerns and whatever, and in the end, JKeith deletes my posts and bans me.

To Dito:
The only thing that really judges a supplement is its price. That’s why we bash MuscleTech, BSN, and so on. If we have a crappy under dosed product, that’s at a really low price, then you can take a high dose of it with no problems. Why pay a lot of money for something that wont do good? I think you are partly trying to defend ThermoLife.

To DTrain:
1- ATD has no half life. It just stays until it does its job. That’s why if you take too much you eventually build up, and no estrogen left. Then when it goes out you are estrogen sensitive and bam, gyno. As even AX reps said, it is probably from the high doses of ATD.
2- As far as the Green Bulge, the K-R-ALA can help mimick insulin and I guess better delivery. Why do you think there is ALA in Cell Tech? If that statement is wrong, then CL has nothing to say about the 2g dose in Green Bulge, and no excuse for it.

 

On the Controlled Labs Issue:
Why do I have a grudge on them?
- Marketing Hype
- They don’t deserve it
- Under dosed Products
- No proof of good quality
- Every newbie that comes here gets “forced” into buying their products.

Now, lets get into detail.
1- They hype all the ingredients and then release the products. They literally have a group of street teamers that pimp their products, and piss massive amounts of testers, usually the same ones over and over.

2- Green Bulge seems like a strongly under dosed product for its price.
White Blood looks like **** comparing to SNS Arginine E2. Why? Because SNS Arginine E2 has a higher dosed blend, and all 3 ingredients support nitric oxide pre-cursing, opposing to White Blood who has a lower blend of 8 ingredients where only 2 of them do anything

Take Animal Pump.
It has 3g of Creatine, which can top GB in a heart beat, and it is mostly coming from MCC.
The Nitric Oxide blend in there is 2g, just like in White Blood, but all ingredients in there have synergy as well as proper dosing.
It has a over 150mg Grape seed Extract, a very potent anti-oxidant and very well dosed, as well as 4 others. It also contains a much better insulin penetration blend, as well as a similar dose in Taurine. The 4-Hydroxyisolecuine in the blend is listed as just the active, and the source is put into other ingredients.
I am willing to put money Animal Pump can blow Green Bulge / White Blood away, its only $30, very reputable company, and if you bring it up to $50, by adding PrimaForce see, you have 2 months worth of Post-Workout Creatine.
Ownage? Yes, but these good, better products will never get out to newbies because of all the street teamers and supporters they have, because most of the educated members on this board are now reps, so they obviously cant recommend other products, as well as interfere in a WB/GB thread, and the massive hype.

3- Look on their website.
Green Bulge, White Blood, Red Acid, GlycerGrow, and Purple Wraath have 6 month old COA’s that say they have traces of a single ingredient. They did not test raws, but the products. That’s terrible, I mean a bad batch of CEE still has some CEE in it.
SesaGlow and Green Magnitude have no CoA’s and are their top products..
Now, take a look at Blue Up and Blue Up Stim Free:
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=29
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=32
Notice that both of the Blue Ups point to the same 6 month old COA. Also notice that they are two different products with supposently same batch number.
What does that tell you about their quality? What liars would test 1 MANUFACTURED product, not even raws, and put it up for two different products. That’s like checking Scivation CEE Caps for CEE purity and providing it as a COA for Scivation powder CEE. I wont even get into detail about what a terrible product Blue Up is.

4- Now, every newbie that comes to this board and asks about MuscleTech or BSN gets flamed to death, to a point where he doesn’t come back because of confusion or somebody hints him into getting a CL stack. Then he starts a CL stack thread, where the CL groupies come in and will flame anyone to death if they say its sucks, and reps cant pimp their products in another companies thread.

5- I’ve seen enough to say that this company produces horrible products, high price tags and hype. I don’t believe their practices are done properly and have no proof of them being good quality. On top of that, the irony of their privacy police and the CEO posting up my private information:

Personal Information Privacy We will take all necessary steps to keep your personal information confidential. Those steps include limiting access to informational databases, encrypting sensitive information and securing our data with appropriate passwords and user permissions.

We will never sell, rent, or share any customer information with other companies for any reason.

Every attempt at going against this company has been stopped as hard as it can because retailers get very high mark up on these product. They sell because of hype, so in the end the retailers are happy so why would anybody question anything?
Every body who I spoke to said Green Bulge sucks, except the majority of testers but tester logs are biased just because of the thrill of getting a free product and possibly getting re-picked.




As far as my calculations, I know for a fact there is 500mg CEE per serving of GB, and 75% to 25% ratio of MCC to CEE, putting at 2g Creatine per serving. That leaves betaine under 500mg but it cannot be below 300mg because then the structure falls:

HyperCre Complex: 1450mg
300mg Betaine Anhydrous
300mg Taurine Ethyl Ester
300mg Arginine Ethyl Ester
75mg Glycocyamine
75mg K-R-ALA
75mg 4-HI

That’s 1125mg, and not to mention too low dosed to do much. 1 scoop of Swole, CVM Xtreme, or maybe some Satur8 can already top almost every ingredient in that blend. Not to mention all three of those products are from quality companies. So now you know for a fact its between 300-500mg Betaine and 75-125mg G-AMINE.




I am willing to address all other questions formally and will not respond to any flames, unless you address something in a flaming matter. To Controlled Labs, I am interested in YOUR response to my post, and will answer any question that is along the subject.

My question to everybody else is why they are such haters and go nuts about something that happened in the past. You need to admit to change and watch life go on, dwelling in the past wont get you far,


Thank you
- OMGITSMAXX

wow strong arms

[MAX1SBACKK]

Price is the only thing that judges a supplement? What about efectiveness? Why not just pay for something good that may be a little more instead of having to take more of the crappy underdosed one and you end up in the same place?
Well, if you have something at half the dose and half the price, you can just up the dose and bring it up to how much its really worth.
Like if BCAA pills weren't so expensive, you can take enought to get a 20g dose.
Just somewhat a though.

Edit: Gakic wouldn't be so bad if it was cheaper. Nor would Leukic but for the same money you can buy Xtend.

[sawastea]

FYI, this thread will NOT get deleted or closed by me. Some valid points are brought out, and when answered in a civilized way, then we can close this up. Keep flaming to a minimal and just answer any unanswered questions.

[MAX1SBACKK]

FYI, this thread will NOT get deleted or closed by me. Some valid points are brought out, and when answered in a civilized way, then we can close this up. Keep flaming to a minimal and just answer any unanswered questions.
Thank you. I wish the previous one did not get closed.
Just a quick question, how many seconds before I get banned? Also, if people flame on purpose or whatever, will the thread still get closed?

[beer20]

Edit: Gakic wouldn't be so bad if it was cheaper. Nor would Leukic but for the same money you can buy Xtend.
and get bloated?!?!




;)




:D

[sawastea]

Thank you. I wish the previous one did not get closed.
Just a quick question, how many seconds before I get banned? Also, if people flame on purpose or whatever, will the thread still get closed?

If people flame, posts WILL be deleted and bannings may occur.

[beer20]

max,where are you getting your info from that ATD has no half-life?
im not disagreeing,i just couldnt find any info on it and it seemed like no one knew what the half-life was...

[storm shadow]

Maxx, are there any other companies you have issues with besides: Controlled Labs, ThermoLife, USPlabs, and SNS? If so when can we expect more "write ups"

[zhorner]

soooo...has controlled labs even denied these accusation..or what :confused:

[MAX1SBACKK]

Maxx, are there any other companies you have issues with besides: Controlled Labs, ThermoLife, USPlabs, and SNS? If so when can we expect more "write ups"
If they make bad products, I go against them.
Any other questions? If you want, email me and I will keep you updated.
OMGitsMAXX@Gmail.com


max,where are you getting your info from that ATD has no half-life?
im not disagreeing,i just couldnt find any info on it and it seemed like no one knew what the half-life was...
Robboe said in a thread that Rebound XT has no half life, it just stays in your body until its used up, like fat.
That's one of the reasons Rebound Reloaded was pushed and he wanted to move away from ATD. Why else do you think people say 25mg ATD every other day when you cycle off?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Now, lets get into detail.
1- They hype all the ingredients and then release the products. They literally have a group of street teamers that pimp their products, and piss massive amounts of testers, usually the same ones over and over.

2- Green Bulge seems like a strongly under dosed product for its price.
White Blood looks like **** comparing to SNS Arginine E2. Why? Because SNS Arginine E2 has a higher dosed blend, and all 3 ingredients support nitric oxide pre-cursing, opposing to White Blood who has a lower blend of 8 ingredients where only 2 of them do anything

Take Animal Pump.
It has 3g of Creatine, which can top GB in a heart beat, and it is mostly coming from MCC.
The Nitric Oxide blend in there is 2g, just like in White Blood, but all ingredients in there have synergy as well as proper dosing.
It has a over 150mg Grape seed Extract, a very potent anti-oxidant and very well dosed, as well as 4 others. It also contains a much better insulin penetration blend, as well as a similar dose in Taurine. The 4-Hydroxyisolecuine in the blend is listed as just the active, and the source is put into other ingredients.
I am willing to put money Animal Pump can blow Green Bulge / White Blood away, its only $30, very reputable company, and if you bring it up to $50, by adding PrimaForce see, you have 2 months worth of Post-Workout Creatine.
Ownage? Yes, but these good, better products will never get out to newbies because of all the street teamers and supporters they have, because most of the educated members on this board are now reps, so they obviously cant recommend other products, as well as interfere in a WB/GB thread, and the massive hype.

3- Look on their website.
Green Bulge, White Blood, Red Acid, GlycerGrow, and Purple Wraath have 6 month old COA’s that say they have traces of a single ingredient. They did not test raws, but the products. That’s terrible, I mean a bad batch of CEE still has some CEE in it.
SesaGlow and Green Magnitude have no CoA’s and are their top products..
Now, take a look at Blue Up and Blue Up Stim Free:
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=29
http://www.controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=32
Notice that both of the Blue Ups point to the same 6 month old COA. Also notice that they are two different products with supposently same batch number.
What does that tell you about their quality? What liars would test 1 MANUFACTURED product, not even raws, and put it up for two different products. That’s like checking Scivation CEE Caps for CEE purity and providing it as a COA for Scivation powder CEE. I wont even get into detail about what a terrible product Blue Up is.

4- Now, every newbie that comes to this board and asks about MuscleTech or BSN gets flamed to death, to a point where he doesn’t come back because of confusion or somebody hints him into getting a CL stack. Then he starts a CL stack thread, where the CL groupies come in and will flame anyone to death if they say its sucks, and reps cant pimp their products in another companies thread.

5- I’ve seen enough to say that this company produces horrible products, high price tags and hype. I don’t believe their practices are done properly and have no proof of them being good quality. On top of that, the irony of their privacy police and the CEO posting up my private information:

Personal Information Privacy We will take all necessary steps to keep your personal information confidential. Those steps include limiting access to informational databases, encrypting sensitive information and securing our data with appropriate passwords and user permissions.

We will never sell, rent, or share any customer information with other companies for any reason.

Every attempt at going against this company has been stopped as hard as it can because retailers get very high mark up on these product. They sell because of hype, so in the end the retailers are happy so why would anybody question anything?
Every body who I spoke to said Green Bulge sucks, except the majority of testers but tester logs are biased just because of the thrill of getting a free product and possibly getting re-picked.




As far as my calculations, I know for a fact there is 500mg CEE per serving of GB, and 75% to 25% ratio of MCC to CEE, putting at 2g Creatine per serving. That leaves betaine under 500mg but it cannot be below 300mg because then the structure falls:

HyperCre Complex: 1450mg
300mg Betaine Anhydrous
300mg Taurine Ethyl Ester
300mg Arginine Ethyl Ester
75mg Glycocyamine
75mg K-R-ALA
75mg 4-HI

That’s 1125mg, and not to mention too low dosed to do much. 1 scoop of Swole, CVM Xtreme, or maybe some Satur8 can already top almost every ingredient in that blend. Not to mention all three of those products are from quality companies. So now you know for a fact its between 300-500mg Betaine and 75-125mg G-AMINE.




I am willing to address all other questions formally and will not respond to any flames, unless you address something in a flaming matter. To Controlled Labs, I am interested in YOUR response to my post, and will answer any question that is along the subject.

My question to everybody else is why they are such haters and go nuts about something that happened in the past. You need to admit to change and watch life go on, dwelling in the past wont get you far,


Thank you
- OMGITSMAXX

I shouldn’t even reply to you because you are banned here for a reason, but I wont let you drag our company through the mud because you have a vendetta against us:

1) we never hype ingredients before we sell them, PU was talking about GMS for multiple years. There is no such thing as a street team, at least not yet. We use very few testers again, other companies use some of the same ones too, if they keep a good well detailed log they have proven to us that they can review a product, many don’t finish logs and we don’t want to be left with the majority of the logs ended before they should have, we know these people have a history of finishing logs so we pick them if they apply, whether positive or negative.

2) Out of respect for other companies I will not compare ours to their, I will simply say that your estimates are incorrect and that we have just as much creatine as other popular capsule creatine products per serving. Also, we never showed a cofa that listed 500mg of cee in green bulge, so that is being pulled straight out of nowhere. How do you know which ingredients in white blood “do anything” as you state? Combine some bulk aee and oee and see if you get the same effects, I don’t think you will. Many of the veterans were testers for both products and liked them before they became reps, so get the facts straight


3) You say our c of a is old. Show me a few companies that keep on posting a new c of a every month with every new batch. How is the purple wraath c of a 6 months old when the product is only about 3 or 4 months old? I haven’t seen a product with multiple ingredients that checked for more than a few ingredients total in the lab test. We couldn’t confirm more than ingredients existence in public lab tests that we put up, or the point using proprietary blends would be useless. We use one of the highest extracts of longjack available in blue up, check the label yourself. You also have no idea how much of any of the 3 ingredients are in there, so your guess is wild speculation. Blue up is available in stimulant and stimulant free, so you have a choice, I know consumers hate choices, right ;)

4) This is utter BS, show us some examples? Anything you find wont be different than any of our competitors do.

5) High price tags? Are you kidding. Where?

6) This is about the 10th time we discussed the privacy issue, your information was from a phone call in database, not a customer one and I apologized, it was wrong of me. (it was also only a partial phone number which can be found on www.whitepages.com )

Show us all of the people who say it sucks and all of those who like it, I am willing to bet the later is the great majority.

[hvit]

If people got wise and ordered bulk supplements all the time this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit - I do treat myself to some of these highly touted supplements every so often.

[MAX1SBACKK]

soooo...has controlled labs even denied these accusation..or what :confused:
Currently, they said that there is no proof I cracked their formulas.
Obviously, the only way to "proove" it is to see the real formula.
I know for a fact there is 2g Creatine, and offered variations of how the remainder of the ingredients can be dosed at their best.

[MAX1SBACKK]

If people got wise and ordered bulk supplements all the time this wouldn't be an issue.
Or perhaps even made the right decisions.

CL, I am responding to your post in 2 minutes.

[beer20]

Robboe said in a thread that Rebound XT has no half life, it just stays in your body until its used up, like fat.
That's one of the reasons Rebound Reloaded was pushed and he wanted to move away from ATD. Why else do you think people say 25mg ATD every other day when you cycle off?
interesting...
i mustve missed that thread,do you have a link?
it must be somewhat new info or just let out recently.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=729377

[hvit]

Or perhaps even made the right decisions.

CL, I am responding to your post in 2 minutes.

And what does "right decisions" entail...

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Currently, they said that there is no proof I cracked their formulas.
Obviously, the only way to "proove" it is to see the real formula.
I know for a fact there is 2g Creatine, and offered variations of how the remainder of the ingredients can be dosed at their best.
really? you "know for a fact" do you? well you are completely wrong. it is virtually the same amount as other ones that you rave about :)

[warriors]

Who really cares? Max everytime you go on one of your CL "sprees" it just creates even more exposure for CL which in turn will create more sales. If you dont like CL then dont buy them. There are plenty more products out there that will fit your needs i'm sure. It's as simple as that. I really dont see what you're trying to gain from all this. I doubt very many ppl are taking you seriously and not buying CL's products anymore.

[MAX1SBACKK]

I shouldn’t even reply to you because you are banned here for a reason, but I wont let you drag our company through the mud because you have a vendetta against us:

1) we never hype ingredients before we sell them, PU was talking about GMS for multiple years. There is no such thing as a street team, at least not yet. We use very few testers again, other companies use some of the same ones too, if they keep a good well detailed log they have proven to us that they an review a product, many don’t finish logs and we don’t want to be left the majority of the logs ended before they should have, we know these people have a history of finishing logs so we pick them if they apply, whether positive or negative.

2) Out of respect for other companies I will not compare ours to their, I will simply say that you estimates are incorrect and that we have just as much creatine as other popular capsule creatine products per serving. Also, we never showed a cofa that listed 500mg of cee in green bulge, so that is being pulled straight out of nowhere. How do you know which ingredients in white blood “do anything” as you state? Combine some bulk aee and oee and see if you get the same effects, I don’t think you will. Many of the veterans were testers for both products and liked them before they became reps, so get the facts straight


3) You say our c of a is old. Show me a few companies that keep on posting new c of a every month with every new batch. How is the purple wraath c of a 6 months old when the product is only about 3 or 4 months old? I haven’t seen a product with multiple ingredients that checked for more than a few ingredients total in the lab test. We couldn’t confirm more than ingredients existence in public lab tests that we put up or the point using proprietary blends would be useless. We use one of the highest extracts of longjack available in blue up, check the label yourself. You also have no idea how much of any of the 3 ingredients are in there, so your guess is wild speculation. Blue up is available in stimulant and stimulant free, so you have a choice, I know consumers hate choices, right ;)

4) This is utter BS, show us some examples? Anything you find wont be different than any of our competitors do.

5) High price tags? Are you kidding. Where?

6) This is about the 10th time we discussed the privacy issue, your information was from a phone call in database, not a customer one and I apologized, it was wrong of me. (it was also only a partial phone number which can be found on www.whitepages.com )

Show us all of the people who say it sucks and all of those who like it, I am willing to bet the later is the great majority.
1) So I must be going crazy:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1458/controwned1zz.jpg
See no evil, hear no evil.

I know for a fact that you re-elect certrain testers that constantly stand behind your products and try to push out anyone against them as fast as they can. For example, Storm Shadow.
This is like a favor exchange.

2) The COA has been on your old website. I should have saved it.
What else in White Blood helps then? First, you have no confirmed any of the ratios. Second, the anti-oxidants dont do much. K-R-ALA is low dosed simply because of the fact taht you did not list insulin mimicking anywhere on the write up.
I am not denying that your product may have worked for some but am saying there are much better alternatives. Don't tell me about respect becasuse you've made a few aplogy threads to other memebers and reps, and always ignore questions.
For example, SH1FT's posts. Or when Chuck Diesel said that the Avena extract in your Blue up product does not exist

3) Scivation updates. You barely update. Also, I know that there is less then 300mg of Longjack because of FDA guidelines. I know all your research points to Longjack, not trib or anytihng. The trib you use can be dosed at a gram or even higher.

Also, you still have not told me why Blue up and Blue up stim free point to the same COA

4) Deny it all you want, I cant directly prove it. Innocent until proven guilty I guess.

5) High price tags for products given. Just like a shirt, even though $15-20 may not be alot, its still to much for certain brands and quality.

6) Thats not your first excuse. On Mindandmuscle you agreed with Slated that all our info is kept in bb.com database. Also, how did you know what email to issue the refund to? I made orders previously.
White Pages is now an excuse to cover up everything. First, my mother is listed in there. You also need to know the area I live in, and still know my last name.
I searched on there with my last name and typed in new york, and 53 results came up.
You could not have possibly known my moms name, and definatly no way in hell would you guess it. Its unique.

[MAX1SBACKK]

really? you "know for a fact" do you? well you are completely wrong. it is virtually the same amount as other ones that you rave about :)
It was on the old website, before the redesign.

interesting...
i mustve missed that thread,do you have a link?
it must be somewhat new info or just let out recently.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=729377
It was not recent but I came across it when I stared researching ATD. It was in a minor thread. Perhaps Robboe can clarify or somebody can tell me how long the ATD half life is or maybe tell me what happens to it if its unused.

Also,


Not a clue. But then again, given that it is a steroidal AI, it has residual effects even after you remove it from the environment, so it could be upwards of a couple of days.
So that tells us something.
If you have low estrogen, and you keep pounding it with more ATD, where does the ATD go? what happens?

[storm shadow]

Really, I was a tester for CL more than once, tell me maxx, what else did I test for them besides purple wraath? And as for the screen shot of Streat Teamz, it simply states that there might be something of that sort in the future and ideas are being thrown out there. THERE IS NO STREET TEAMZ! Maxx you really are a joke.

[MAX1SBACKK]

A couple days!!! if thats true, I can't believe people are actually recommended to take 100mg a day in PCT..holy buildup batman...no wonder people get delayed gyno, taking ATD at 100/75/75/50/25, would make it take forever to clear the system.
Perhaps that's where I got it from?

[Blap Blaow]

If they make bad products, I go against them.
Any other questions? If you want, email me and I will keep you updated.
OMGitsMAXX@Gmail.com
you still have issues with us? I thought that was one isolated misunderstanding over capsule size/content of Creatine E2?

[MAX1SBACKK]

Really, I was a tester for CL more than once, tell me maxx, what else did I test for them besides purple wraath? And as for the screen shot of Streat Teamz, it simply states that there might be something of that sort in the future and ideas are being thrown out there. THERE IS NO STREET TEAMZ! Maxx you really are a joke.
I do not think CL needs a defense attorny.
You have been called a CL supporter/groupie/etc many times before, even by DWM230000, and he doesn't attack members for no reason you know?
Just by searching for your username, you are mostly active in Controlled Labs related threads and feel the need to flame me when I attack them.
I can assure you they can speak for themselves.

[MAX1SBACKK]

you still have issues with us? I thought that was one isolated misunderstanding over capsule size/content of Creatine E2?
I am good with SNS now.
The 120 cap may be at a off price but the Creatine caps you have in the 240 are better dosed and cheaper then Scivation, and I am pretty sure Steve keeps his quality as high as he can..
As far as others:
SNS Inhibit-E - Cheaper then RXT and 30 caps more.
SNS Arginine E2 - Cheaper then WB and better profile
SNS CVM Xtreme - Better then Swole and others.
I think this company deserves alot more attention.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

1) So I must be going crazy:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1458/controwned1zz.jpg
See no evil, hear no evil.

I know for a fact that you re-elect certrain testers that constantly stand behind your products and try to push out anyone against them as fast as they can. For example, Storm Shadow.
This is like a favor exchange.

2) The COA has been on your old website. I should have saved it.
What else in White Blood helps then? First, you have no confirmed any of the ratios. Second, the anti-oxidants dont do much. K-R-ALA is low dosed simply because of the fact taht you did not list insulin mimicking anywhere on the write up.
I am not denying that your product may have worked for some but am saying there are much better alternatives. Don't tell me about respect becasuse you've made a few aplogy threads to other memebers and reps, and always ignore questions.
For example, SH1FT's posts. Or when Chuck Diesel said that the Avena extract in your Blue up product does not exist

3) Scivation updates. You barely update. Also, I know that there is less then 300mg of Longjack because of FDA guidelines. I know all your research points to Longjack, not trib or anytihng. The trib you use can be dosed at a gram or even higher.

Also, you still have not told me why Blue up and Blue up stim free point to the same COA

4) Deny it all you want, I cant directly prove it. Innocent until proven guilty I guess.

5) High price tags for products given. Just like a shirt, even though $15-20 may not be alot, its still to much for certain brands and quality.

6) Thats not your first excuse. On Mindandmuscle you agreed with Slated that all our info is kept in bb.com database. Also, how did you know what email to issue the refund to? I made orders previously.
White Pages is now an excuse to cover up everything. First, my mother is listed in there. You also need to know the area I live in, and still know my last name.
I searched on there with my last name and typed in new york, and 53 results came up.
You could not have possibly known my moms name, and definatly no way in hell would you guess it. Its unique.

1) the street team is an idea, nobody has been picked, you know that, don’t act like you don’t know ;)

2) we don’t reelect anyone. If they don’t apply, they aren’t picked. We would sooner give it to a qualified person who hasn’t tested if they have done other quality logs for other companies.
3) We have never posted a c of a with an amount of creatine, I think you are thinking about some other company.

4) “Anti-oxidants don’t do much”? and how do you “know” this, did you do studies or did you ask other “people”

5) you are “sh1ft”, chuck doesn’t have access to every extract in the world. You can get extracts made for you.

6) I am not going to address a specific company but I have never seen an updated c of a from more than maybe 1 or 2 companies out of over 300 on bb.com and the ones who do update don’t do it for every batch, at leas they don’t put it on their sites.

7) What fda guidelines tell s you that we have 300mg of longjack, that is BS, there is nothing of the sort. The three ingredients can be combined in any way as long as there is the most trib and the least longjack, anything else is wild speculation by you again.

8) I did tell you why blue up and the stim free one point to the same c of a, because we use the exact same extracts for each and both products get made from the same batches of raws that come in.

9) Our shirt is not 15-20 bucks it is 10 bucks. These shirts cost us more than 6 dollars each plus shipping and logistical setup, hardly overpriced. God forbid we make 2-3 dollars each.

10) Paypal keeps the info, I went and found your order in paypal and issued a 105% refund to that account on file. You actually made money on us, I bet that is a first from a supplement company. You sold 3 bottles and made 10% of your purchase price on all 7, nice deal for you isn’t it? :(

11) I didn’t say it was from white pages, I just said its public info. I am not trying to make excuses I accept responsibility for it just like I did the previous 10 times you have brought it up and I apologized, you really like to rub in mistakes.

I don’t have all night for this, this is my last post to you, some of us work, when you get older you will realize that. I answered all of your questions to the best of my ability and I have nothing more to say. If you don’t like our products don’t buy them, you seem like you like bulk powders anyway, so just go that route and leave us and other companies alone.

[storm shadow]

I do not think CL needs a defense attorny.
You have been called a CL supporter/groupie/etc many times before, even by DWM230000, and he doesn't attack members for no reason you know?
Just by searching for your username, you are mostly active in Controlled Labs related threads and feel the need to flame me when I attack them.
I can assure you they can speak for themselves.
Yes I am a CL supporter, I have admitted to that and am not ashamed of it. FYI I also support other companies to you know. I have also had most experience with CL products hence my being in more CL threads than anything. I don't flame people for not liking CL supplements, I might flame nimrods such as yourself for being immature, making false statements, etc. DWM called me a street teamer, yeah so what, I think he was joking, not attacking me per se, and if he was well its really not a big deal to me. Also will you answer my question, what else besides Purple Wraath have I tested for CL, you accused me of being a multiple tester for them, where is the evidence maxx? Stop claiming stuff you don't know for a fact.

[MAX1SBACKK]

I don’t have all night for this, this is my last post to you, some of us work, when you get older you will realize that. I answered all of your questions to the best of my ability and I have nothing more to say. If you don’t like our products don’t buy them, you seem like you like bulk powders anyway, so just go that route and leave us and other companies alone.
So should I waste my time replying to the stuff above?

8) I did tell you why blue up and the stim free one point to the same c of a, because we use the exact same extracts for each and both products get made from the same batches of raws that come in.

http://www.controlledlabs.com/pdf/blue_up.pdf
It says here they recieved 1 bottle and tested it for an ingredient.
How do we know that the Stim-Free batch even has these test boosters? If its not tested, chacnes are its not there.
You can not use the same CoA for two different products.
This was not a test of raw materials.
It doesn't even test for the proper ingredients.

I will respond to the rest soon, I am just too tired. Why are you decideding not to respond further more though? I can wait, and you seem pretty confident so why wont you straighten out your reputation infront of the countless companies and people that hate you?

[MAX1SBACKK]

Yes I am a CL supporter, I have admitted to that and am not ashamed of it. FYI I also support other companies to you know. I have also had most experience with CL products hence my being in more CL threads than anything. I don't flame people for not liking CL supplements, I might flame nimrods such as yourself for being immature, making false statements, etc. DWM called me a street teamer, yeah so what, I think he was joking, not attacking me per se, and if he was well its really not a big deal to me. Also will you answer my question, what else besides Purple Wraath have I tested for CL, you accused me of being a multiple tester for them, where is the evidence maxx? Stop claiming stuff you don't know for a fact.
He can't attack you fool. He is a rep, anything he does reflects his company. Just like when Zhorner made fun of Krzna, Krzna had to cool off to avoid getting AX into a bad spot.
If a company picks me as a rep, do you think that will have a negative effect on their reputation?
Since you are Pro-CL I cant argue with you becuase I doubt you will admit to being wrong and recently, all of my claims have been backed up.
Feel free to look around.

EDIT: I just seen alot of CL product use and seen you as a tester, and you support CL alot so maybe there is some sort of a connection. You guys love to instigate. Let Tank answer my call outs, you were not invited

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Why are you decideding not to respond further more though? I can wait, and you seem pretty confident so why wont you straighten out your reputation infront of the countless companies and people that hate you?
Because it will never end, you can always find something to nit pick on, you can do it to any company person, or thing in this world, I am not going to sit here and waste my life talking to someone who has no intention of listening or using our products. You say that our stuff sells so well and now you are saying that everyone hates us, so which one is it? End of story, good night. :)

sawastea, I have answered all of his questions and accusations. I am done with this thread.

[storm shadow]

He can't attack you fool. He is a rep, anything he does reflects his company. Just like when Zhorner made fun of Krzna, Krzna had to cool off to avoid getting AX into a bad spot.
If a company picks me as a rep, do you think that will have a negative effect on their reputation?
Since you are Pro-CL I cant argue with you becuase I doubt you will admit to being wrong and recently, all of my claims have been backed up.
Feel free to look around.

EDIT: I just seen alot of CL product use and seen you as a tester, and you support CL alot so maybe there is some sort of a connection.
1. Hey you're the one who claimed dwm attacked me, so who's the fool.
2. I highly doubt you will ever get picked as a rep.
3. You claimed I was a multiple tester for them, now you think there might be some sort of a connection between me and them. Well yeah, the connection is I am a customer of theirs who supports them.
4. Admit to being wrong about what? If I see that I made a mistake I will admit to it, I never claimed to be perfect.

[MAX1SBACKK]

Because it will never end, you can always find something to nit pick on, you can do it to any company person, or thing in this world, I am not going to sit here and waste my life talking to someone who has no intention of listening or using our products. You say that our stuff sells so well and now you are saying that everyone hates us, so which one is it? End of story, good night. :)

sawastea, I have answered all of his questions and accusations. I am done with this thread.
You still have not answered about the Blue Up.
Hmmm.. I know you have time. If you didnt, you wouldn't be up 24/7.
If you prove me wrong somehow, I will admit to it but I have my statements and wish that you would address them, especially the Blue Up COA one.

[MAX1SBACKK]

1. Hey you're the one who claimed dwm attacked me, so who's the fool.
2. I highly doubt you will ever get picked as a rep.
3. You claimed I was a multiple tester for them, now you think there might be some sort of a connection between me and them. Well yeah, the connection is I am a customer of theirs who supports them.
4. Admit to being wrong about what? If I see that I made a mistake I will admit to it, I never claimed to be perfect.
1. He tried the best he can.
2. I know, thanks for proving my point.
3. No, there is more here. A company will pick a supporter, especially someone who keeps pushing in positive feedback. Why would a company pick a tester that would say "this **** sucks like the rest of it"
4. What can I say here? lol

[deserusan]

Salmon twice a day is expensive and my pee is starting to smell funny. I can't wait to start eating aparagus a lot for the natural duiretic effects for some even more funky ass urine aromas.

Anyway, it is just funny how a company can get owned by a 16 year old. Despite Max's lack of social maturity, his analysis is quite impressive. When I was 16 I had a constant boner and cared only about fingering banging the girls a grade ahead of me. Eitherway, Max has my respect.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

You still have not answered about the Blue Up.
Hmmm.. I know you have time. If you didnt, you wouldn't be up 24/7.
If you prove me wrong somehow, I will admit to it but I have my statements and wish that you would address them, especially the Blue Up COA one.
see point 8 above.

[MAX1SBACKK]

see point 8 above.
8) I did tell you why blue up and the stim free one point to the same c of a, because we use the exact same extracts for each and both products get made from the same batches of raws that come in.

http://www.controlledlabs.com/pdf/blue_up.pdf
It says here they recieved 1 bottle and tested it for an ingredient.
How do we know that the Stim-Free batch even has these test boosters? If its not tested, chacnes are its not there.
You can not use the same CoA for two different products.
This was not a test of raw materials.
It doesn't even test for the proper ingredients.

[storm shadow]

1. He tried the best he can.
2. I know, thanks for proving my point.
3. No, there is more here. A company will pick a supporter, especially someone who keeps pushing in positive feedback. Why would a company pick a tester that would say "this **** sucks like the rest of it"
4. What can I say here? lol
1. Matter of opinion :)
2. You're welcome ';)
3. Is that so captain obvious. CL and other companies however have requested people who have given negative comments/reviews to test their supplements in order to recieve non biased feedback, I have seen this myself so I know it to be fact, and they also constantly post that they do want honest/non biased feedback. :rolleyes:
4. Nothing :)

[MAX1SBACKK]

Salmon twice a day is expensive and my pee is starting to smell funny. I can't wait to start eating aparagus a lot for the natural duiretic effects for some even more funky ass urine aromas.

Anyway, it is just funny how a company can get owned by a 16 year old. Despite Max's lack of social maturity, his analysis is quite impressive. When I was 16 I had a constant boner and cared only about fingering banging the girls a grade ahead of me. Eitherway, Max has my respect.
Social Maturity? When somebody talks **** to you do you act mature and walk away or do you play it back at them?

I'd comment on the second part but dont want to flame... but I can assure you I'm not a geek or anything.. This is just one of those things, some people have car obsessions, this one is mine.

[adoniscomplex]

Perhaps that's where I got it from?
max you really have gyno ? that sucks dude ..this is why people under 18 shouldnt use anything but the staples
there could be alot else going on wrong with your body also given what you have taken
good luck with that

[IntensityX]

Ok guys I'm kidding I really love CL it's just I was so mad when they didn't pick me as a tester but oh well if you will excuse me I'm going to take some white blood and glycergrow oh by the way I'm going to delete this post in 20 seconds :D

Aw I knew it :p :D

Sorry just trying to lighten the mood here :D

[MAX1SBACKK]

1. Matter of opinion :)
2. You're welcome ';)
3. Is that so captain obvious. CL and other companies however have requested people who have given negative comments/reviews to test their supplements in order to recieve non biased feedback, I have seen this myself so I know it to be fact, and they also constantly post that they do want honest/non biased feedback. :rolleyes:
4. Nothing :)Ok there isn't much I can say.

I just got a Private Message from somebody and he has confirmed with me that most of these companies use undercover marketing and geurilla tactics. They also make fake usernames or identities to carry on the deeds, as "non reps" or so. This is really good information, but I don't know how to act with it yet, but it was funny because one of these "CL" threads caught somebody's eye ;)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

8) I did tell you why blue up and the stim free one point to the same c of a, because we use the exact same extracts for each and both products get made from the same batches of raws that come in.

http://www.controlledlabs.com/pdf/blue_up.pdf
It says here they recieved 1 bottle and tested it for an ingredient.
How do we know that the Stim-Free batch even has these test boosters? If its not tested, chacnes are its not there.
You can not use the same CoA for two different products.
This was not a test of raw materials.
It doesn't even test for the proper ingredients.
it tests for the active in tribulus, proto. blue up and bue up stim free. they put in the 3 ingredients that are in both version into the mixer. remove half to use on blue up stim free, then they add the yohimbe and caffeine. it has the same 3 product base. if you dont like the c of a on it then use another test booster that has one (vitrix doesn’t, bsn axis ht doesn’t, diesel test doesn’t, etc. not flaming just trying to show you that you are looking at us unfairly). at 16 I don’t think you need one though ;)

[MAX1SBACKK]

max you really have gyno ? that sucks dude ..this is why people under 18 shouldnt use anything but the staples
there could be alot else going on wrong with your body also given what you have taken
good luck with that
Whoa your so cool, so what if my nipples are a little puffy, it wasn't even realized until Mr. O abused steroids like 2 decades ago...
I never took prohormones but am researching them. Anything else I can answer for you?


Aw I knew it :p :D

Sorry just trying to lighten the mood here :D
LOL you got me for a second,

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ok there isn't much I can say.

I just got a Private Message from somebody and he has confirmed with me that most of these companies use undercover marketing and geurilla tactics. They also make fake usernames or identities to carry on the deeds, as "non reps" or so. This is really good information, but I don't know how to act with it yet, but it was funny because one of these "CL" threads caught somebody's eye ;)
not us, and if you are insinuating this is the case you are dead wrong, prove it or don’t post up complete fabrications

[MAX1SBACKK]

it tests for the active in tribulus, proto. blue up and bue up stim free. they put in the 3 ingredients that are in both version into the mixer. remove half to use on blue up stim free, then they add the yohimbe and caffeine. it has the same 3 product base. if you dont like the c of a on it then use another test booster that has one (vitrix doesn’t, bsn axis ht doesn’t, diesel test doesn’t, etc. not flaming just trying to show you that you are looking at us unfairly). at 16 I don’t think you need one though ;)
How do we know that?
For all I know, it can be:
Blue Up - Had Tribulus, and maybe some C/Y
Blue Up Stim Free - Has Tribulus

This is not normal. If PrimaForce Caffeine has been proven to have exact dosing, and proper, of, in each capsule, can we already assume its the same for Thermal Rage?

If MuscleTech Leukic has Leucine-Kic, and they proved its legit, can we assume its there in Anator p70 too? No, and perhaps companies like you are using these excuses for bad quality products and etc.

[MAX1SBACKK]

not us, and if you are insinuating this is the case you are dead wrong, prove it or don’t post up complete fabrications
I doubt you can prove that.
You seem to have pretty good marketing going.
14 months, about 10 products out and more coming.
On top of that, top sellers. Most hyped.
On top of that, you own Stingerrx.com.
On top of that, you host major testing events.
You also have a great amount of full-page ads in some magazines and so on.

Pretty strange, 14 months you say?

[adoniscomplex]

Because it will never end, you can always find something to nit pick on,.i find it funny that none of the newer products are being questioned green mag , seasglow
the fact is all of CLs products give good results
wheather they are the best in there respective groups could be argued all day long
but you could do the same thing with say xtend v. ice or vaporize v. seasmax

[CONTROLLED LABS]

How do we know that?
For all I know, it can be:
Blue Up - Had Tribulus, and maybe some C/Y
Blue Up Stim Free - Has Tribulus

This is not normal. If PrimaForce Caffeine has been proven to have exact dosing, and proper, of, in each capsule, can we already assume its the same for Thermal Rage?

If MuscleTech Leukic has Leucine-Kic, and they proved its legit, can we assume its there in Anator p70 too? No, and perhaps companies like you are using these excuses for bad quality products and etc.
ok, if you doubt them then dont buy them. one tester recently posted blood work on blue up and got great results. I am out of stuff to say without repeating myself, I am gone, good night.

[MAX1SBACKK]

Guerrilla marketing, as described by Jay Conrad Levinson in his popular 1982 book Guerrilla Marketing, is an unconventional way of performing promotional activities on a very low budget.

PEOPLE DESIGN ADS FOR THESE PEOPLE FOR FREE!
Perhaps that explains your street team squad? or your "internet team"?

* Guerrilla Marketing is specifically geared for the small business.
Confirms
* It should be based on human psychology instead of experience, judgement, and guesswork.
Confirms. Most of your supplements are based on "feel" too,
* Instead of money, the primary investments of marketing should be time, energy, and imagination.
Confirms for sure.
* The primary statistic to measure your business is the amount of profits, not sales.
Confirms. Retailers love you guys because of the large mark ups you give them.
* The marketer should also concentrate on how many new relationships are made each month.
Confirms. I see more and more supporters all the time.
* Create a standard of excellence with an acute focus instead of trying to diversify by offering allied products and services.
Confirms.
* Instead of concentrating on getting new customers, aim for more referrals, more transactions with existing customers, and larger transactions.
Confirms. Storm Shadow is an example :D
* Forget about the competition and concentrate more on cooperating with other businesses.
Confirms. You always stay out of different affairs too.
* Guerrilla Marketers should always use a combination of marketing methods for a campaign.
Confirms.
* Use current technology as a tool to empower your marketing.
Confirms. Street Teamers, Ads, Testing, Internet Reps, and so on. Flyers given out with CL coupons on every order on BB.com ;)

Also See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing

I wish more people participated in this thread :D

[Blitz n destroy]

my head hurts :(

[MAX1SBACKK]

ok, if you doubt them then dont buy them. one tester recently posted blood work on blue up and got great results. I am out of stuff to say without repeating myself, I am gone, good night.
I ask you to repeat yourself because you never answer fully.
You still haven't

I seen that thread, where he claims 20% increase in total test but no scanned blood work.
Plus, other influecnces can take action. Perhaps how much he ate before the test, sleep, and so on.

[cervasa1977]

so you are mad that the company has done well for itself? And is trying to make a profit........


By the way thier are no street teams for like the hundreth time

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Guerrilla marketing, as described by Jay Conrad Levinson in his popular 1982 book Guerrilla Marketing, is an unconventional way of performing promotional activities on a very low budget.

Perhaps that explains your street team squad? or your "internet team"?

* Guerrilla Marketing is specifically geared for the small business.
Confirms
* It should be based on human psychology instead of experience, judgement, and guesswork.
Confirms. Most of your supplements are based on "feel" too,
* Instead of money, the primary investments of marketing should be time, energy, and imagination.
Confirms for sure.
* The primary statistic to measure your business is the amount of profits, not sales.
Confirms. Retailers love you guys because of the large mark ups you give them.
* The marketer should also concentrate on how many new relationships are made each month.
Confirms. I see more and more supporters all the time.
* Create a standard of excellence with an acute focus instead of trying to diversify by offering allied products and services.
Confirms.
* Instead of concentrating on getting new customers, aim for more referrals, more transactions with existing customers, and larger transactions.
Confirms. Storm Shadow is an example :D
* Forget about the competition and concentrate more on cooperating with other businesses.
Confirms. You always stay out of different affairs too.
* Guerrilla Marketers should always use a combination of marketing methods for a campaign.
Confirms.
* Use current technology as a tool to empower your marketing.
Confirms. Street Teamers, Ads, Testing, Internet Reps, and so on. Flyers given out with CL coupons on every order on BB.com ;)

Also See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing

I wish more people participated in this thread :D
every company on any message board in any industry is using a form of guerilla marketing, it doesnt have to be a four letter word, as long as you are ethical about your marketing.

we had flyers in bb.com orders for 1 month about 5-6 months ago, they offered it to us in return for a 10% discount on our products to them for thatt month. they offer this to many companies and any company can ask them about it and get involved. Coupons are very shady, sorry we wont do those anymore. 4everfit has a 10% code up right now on this forum they must be in bed with bb.com ;)

[MAX1SBACKK]

Again, I am doing this to show people how bad these products are, that there are better alternatives and that there are bad practices by this company.
Gosh, I am getting sick of repeating my self too but I'm not backing out ;)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I ask you to repeat yourself because you never answer fully.
You still haven't

I seen that thread, where he claims 20% increase in total test but no scanned blood work.
Plus, other influecnces can take action. Perhaps how much he ate before the test, sleep, and so on.
I am pretty sure he posted up actual blood tests, if he didnt then bump the thread and ask him for it. we cant control what he eats before a blood test, but I am sure it wasnt wildly different than his baseline eating habits. no other company does that either.

[MAX1SBACKK]

so you are mad that the company has done well for itself? And is trying to make a profit........


By the way thier are no street teams for like the hundreth time
You seem awfully defensive of this company.

[cervasa1977]

Again, I am doing this to show people how bad these products are, that there are better alternatives and that there are bad practices by this company.
Gosh, I am getting sick of repeating my self too but I'm not backing out ;)
when GreenMagnitude was announced didn't you say how great it was?

[MAX1SBACKK]

I am pretty sure he posted up actual blood tests, if he didnt then bump the thread and ask him for it. we cant control what he eats before a blood test, but I am sure it wasnt wildly different than his baseline eating habits. no other company does that either.
You are going to make the verdict on Blue Up after 1 person shows a mere 20% increase in Total Test, and shows no blood work and not to mention the countless factors.
Other companies dont control this but when 10 different users bring back positive reports about this with real blood work you can take their word.

Show us what good Customer Support you have and get that blood work paper for me. I am IP banned from your site, remember Tank?

[storm shadow]

Confirms. Storm Shadow is an example :D

* Use current technology as a tool to empower your marketing.
Confirms. Street Teamers, Ads, Testing, Internet Reps, and so on. Flyers given out with CL coupons on every order on BB.com ;)

I don't know if you are trying to push my buttons, or actually think you are funny, either way I'm not gonna keep arguing with you, waste of my time. However If I may say, I've never gotten any CL coupons with my orders, has anybody else?

[cervasa1977]

You seem awfully defensive of this company.
I like this company like I like alot of others ..... I am mainly posting here because I hate how you go about things on this forum for all the good you could bring you ruin it......

[MAX1SBACKK]

every company on any message board in any industry is using a form of guerilla marketing, it doesnt have to be a four letter word, as long as you are ethical about your marketing.

we had flyers in bb.com orders for 1 month about 5-6 months ago, they offered it to us in return for a 10% discount on our products to them for thatt month. they offer this to many companies and any company can ask them about it and get involved. Coupons are very shady, sorry we wont do those anymore. 4everfit has a 10% code up right now on this forum they must be in bed with bb.com ;)
You got caught.
Lets see:
USP Labs - caught, but not as active/hyped any more
Designer - Nope, their products speak for themselves
SNS - Helll NO! Their products speak for themselves
MT/BSN - Caught, but still decent.
Name me a few Tank, will you?

The fact is, people aren't given the chance to see other stacks beyond WB/GB!
Animal Pump wipes that stack off the planet, for $30 and comes in little packs. Holy poop thats ownage.
For $20 more, you get PrimaForce CEE and can get Post-Workout creatine, all for $50. Thats how much GB/WB costs, and you get Double the Creatine, Double the Anti-Oxidants, Double Everything.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

You are going to make the verdict on Blue Up after 1 person shows a mere 20% increase in Total Test, and shows no blood work and not to mention the countless factors.
Other companies dont control this but when 10 different users bring back positive reports about this with real blood work you can take their word.

Show us what good Customer Support you have and get that blood work paper for me. I am IP banned from your site, remember Tank?
it was done on this site you can post on the thread yourself. we do have have good customer service, we gave you 105% money back on a purchase where you already SOLD three of the bottles to someone else and claimed many times that you liked hte products (and they were non-returnable sale items that you purchased 120 days prior).

ok, my fingers ache already, for the 3rd time goodnight. :)

[MAX1SBACKK]

I like this company like I like alot of others ..... I am mainly posting here because I hate how you go about things on this forum for all the good you could bring you ruin it......
I only see you active in CL threads.
I have backed up my claims.
The only thing CL denied was the 500mg CEE, which I seen with my own eyes on their old website.


I don't know if you are trying to push my buttons, or actually think you are funny, either way I'm not gonna keep arguing with you, waste of my time. However If I may say, I've never gotten any CL coupons with my orders, has anybody else?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=10705605&postcount=107
Dude, they just admitted it.
Ok, dont waste yours AND my time! Finally, I got you off my back.

[MAX1SBACKK]

it was done on this site you can post on the thread yourself. we do have have good customer service, we gave you 105% money back on a purchase where you already SOLD three of the bottles to someone else and claimed many times that you liked hte products (and they were non-returnable sale items that you purchased 120 days prior).

ok, my fingers ache already, for the 3rd time goodnight. :)
So why did you refund my money if you clearly did not have to, and knew I sold three bottles? A bribe?

You did refuse to refund until I told you I have **** up my sleeve. You also did not press the refund button because PayPal doesn't allow refunds after 60 days of transcation, and I got charged ebay fees. hmm wtf?

If your fingers ache try washing them in warm water. I know your not going to sleep yet so I am still here.

[MAX1SBACKK]

It seems to be that this has been a 3 on 1 war so far.
Controlled Labs and its doublegangers vs. Me

So far, there hasn't been many answers, except the repeated goodbye.
I would also like to inform everybody that CL has no excuse for the same CoA(not of raws) for two different products and just told me not to buy it. Thanks for the heads up but I will never buy CL.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So why did you refund my money if you clearly did not have to, and knew I sold three bottles? A bribe?

You did refuse to refund until I told you I have **** up my sleeve. You also did not press the refund button because PayPal doesn't allow refunds after 60 days of transcation, and I got charged ebay fees. hmm wtf?

If your fingers ache try washing them in warm water. I know your not going to sleep yet so I am still here.
I refunded your money because i didn’t want to hear you bitch about it constantly and because I wanted to show that our customer service is top notch that we even refund people who don’t deserve it.

I dint use the paypal refund option, it wouldn’t let me. I went to the history of your order like I said and found your information and issued a "refund" (not a refund in the sense of a paypal system refund" a refund in the sense of giving you your money back.

I am not going to waste any sleep over you, good night.

[cervasa1977]

Guerrilla marketing, as described by Jay Conrad Levinson in his popular 1982 book Guerrilla Marketing, is an unconventional way of performing promotional activities on a very low budget.

PEOPLE DESIGN ADS FOR THESE PEOPLE FOR FREE!
Perhaps that explains your street team squad? or your "internet team"?

* Guerrilla Marketing is specifically geared for the small business.
Confirms
* It should be based on human psychology instead of experience, judgement, and guesswork.
Confirms. Most of your supplements are based on "feel" too,
* Instead of money, the primary investments of marketing should be time, energy, and imagination.
Confirms for sure.
* The primary statistic to measure your business is the amount of profits, not sales.
Confirms. Retailers love you guys because of the large mark ups you give them.
* The marketer should also concentrate on how many new relationships are made each month.
Confirms. I see more and more supporters all the time.
* Create a standard of excellence with an acute focus instead of trying to diversify by offering allied products and services.
Confirms.
* Instead of concentrating on getting new customers, aim for more referrals, more transactions with existing customers, and larger transactions.
Confirms. Storm Shadow is an example :D
* Forget about the competition and concentrate more on cooperating with other businesses.
Confirms. You always stay out of different affairs too.
* Guerrilla Marketers should always use a combination of marketing methods for a campaign.
Confirms.
* Use current technology as a tool to empower your marketing.
Confirms. Street Teamers, Ads, Testing, Internet Reps, and so on. Flyers given out with CL coupons on every order on BB.com ;)

Also See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing

I wish more people participated in this thread :D
WOW this looks alot like what Des posted up about a month or so ago wonder where you got this :D

Also man those principles apply in every business who are in sales in general. I am in sales and guess what we use all those and so does everyone of our competitors, its apart of the real world were you don't eat if you don't sell.......

[storm shadow]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=10705605&postcount=107
Dude, they just admitted it.
Ok, dont waste yours AND my time! Finally, I got you off my back.
Yeah, I saw it after I made my post, no big deal I was just curious, and I was never "on your back" until you brought me into your accusations. ;)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

It seems to be that this has been a 3 on 1 war so far.
Controlled Labs and its doublegangers vs. Me

So far, there hasn't been many answers, except the repeated goodbye.
I would also like to inform everybody that CL has no excuse for the same CoA(not of raws) for two different products and just told me not to buy it. Thanks for the heads up but I will never buy CL.
all of this was answered, reread the thread. just by saying that I didnt answer something doesnt make it true :)

good night.

[MAX1SBACKK]

I refunded your money because i didn’t want to hear you bitch about it constantly and because I wanted to show that our customer service is top notch that we even refund people who don’t deserve it.

I dint use the paypal refund option, it wouldn’t let me. I went to the history of your order like I said and found your information and issued a "refund" (not a refund in the sense of a paypal system refund" a refund in the sense of giving you your money back.

I am not going to waste any sleep over you, good night.
I thought my bitching was nitpicking and nonsense? so whats the point in that?

How did you know which one to refund? Am I the only one that purchased 8 gbs and how did you know? Perhaps you still have my information.

You are not going to sleep yet but if you are, I'd love to continue this tommroow :D

[MAX1SBACKK]

WOW this looks alot like what Des posted up about a month or so ago wonder where you got this :D

Also man those principles apply in every business who are in sales in general. I am in sales and guess what we use all those and so does everyone of our competitors, its apart of the real world were you don't eat if you don't sell.......
1- Wikipedia.com
2- Not every, and there is much more behind this company.
MAJORITY of the supplement companies hate CL, but apparently not with pride.

[cervasa1977]

I am just saying in general you cannot attack any company for using these principles.......... it applies across the board in marketing and sales.


I think you bring of great points just think you need to refine how you go about things and state the facts alone without false accusations


Max I thought you liked Green Magnitude?

[MAX1SBACKK]

I am just saying in general you cannot attack any company for using these principles.......... it applies across the board in marketing and sales.



Max I thought you liked Green Magnitude?
Honestly, I did but:
1- Blue Up COA is a mess
2- Remainder of COA's are ****ed up, dont show valid informantion needed
3- Shady Company
4- No COA for Green Magntiude

I'll Pass :D

Edit:
In reposone to your edit:
I think you bring of great points just think you need to refine how you go about things and state the facts alone without false accusations

I did not attack this, read the origanal "WTF IS THIS" thread. I backed it up and explained it all. No bashing, pure science.

You have the old Max in mind

[BiGToMCaT28]

I'm no fan of CL at all but these threads are pointless. It just causes arguments and more exposure for this half a** company.

[sawastea]

Ok, let's make this simple.

Maxx asked a plethora of questions. Tank answered them. Maxx asked follow up questions, Tank answered them.

To keep this simple, Maxx, state EXACTLY what questions you're looking for to be answered, so Tank can answer them. No need for insinuating other factors at this moment.

Granted it's good for the consumers to know what they're getting themselves into, but let's try to shoot for some middle ground right now.

[MAX1SBACKK]

I am about to go out with my friends but I'll come back home at about ~2am and I'll write out everything I can think of.

[sawastea]

Don't get too hammered on O'Deul's ;)

[Slated]

Maxxx has friends???

:eek:

[MAX1SBACKK]

never mind its ****ing pouring ****
ight ill get the list in like 20 mins

[MAX1SBACKK]

Maxxx has friends???

:eek:
do you have friends because i see you on this site day and night posting about your boy's nights out and how bad your vacation is going


Don't get too hammered on O'Deul's ;)
lool

[Slated]

That's what I thought...

had me going there for a min

[hvit]

Maxxx has friends???

:eek:

Apparently not.

:D

hahahahaha

[Slated]

do you have friends because i see you on this site day and night posting about your boy's nights out and how bad your vacation is going


Actually I don't

That's why I'm moving to LOS in SEA

:):):):):)

[MAX1SBACKK]

That's what I thought...

had me going there for a min
What?
I'm not soaking my 200$ shoes and my abercrombie tees get more ****ed up everytime i wash them

[MAX1SBACKK]

Actually I don't

That's why I'm moving to LOS in SEA

:):):):):)
such honesty!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY0176.html
type in 11229 if it doesnt workk
look there buddy

[dito]

Bruce ******* is in the ThermoChat!!!

[nni]

such honesty!

http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY0176.html
type in 11229 if it doesnt workk
look there buddy

let it go and move on buddy. :)

[IntensityX]

It's all a lie.Maxx and CL are in this together so that they can create more sales.It's the ultimate marketing scam,pretend someone from their company is against their products.How can you CL how can you lie to us :p :D :D

http://i1.tinypic.com/1zv4fwn.jpg

[sawastea]

Bruce ******* is in the ThermoChat!!!

I thought he was in jail?!?

[dito]

I thought so too. But no idea.

[MAX1SBACKK]

Guys - We are not here to discuss who's in jail and who isn't
We are here to discuss who should be put in jail

In the meanwhile, just let me compile my questions =)

[DejaBlue55]

L M F A O

[hvit]

*yawns*

This thread bores me to tears, I thinky Maxx should email Tank with his complaints.

[deserusan]

Bruce ******* is in the ThermoChat!!!

Get the f-ck out of my thread :D

[dito]

Get the f-ck out of my thread :D


If I have any human decency??? :D

[naturalguy]

What the heck is a Street Team, is that like a gang? and why are people denying it when there is a section of the CL forum just for Street Team?

[MAX1SBACKK]

bsorry for the bump wrong post

[adoniscomplex]

Whoa your so cool, ,
i was making fun of you i seriously felt bad

[xGhostinGx]

Jkeithc82
I know why you keep banning me. Because I posted up a picture of from your myspace, with you and your mom and called you fat.





LOL. Let go of the grudge for posting him and a pic of his mom? Plus, calling him fat. Now you are telling him to stop banning you? LOL. What do you expect?




Cervasa
I don’t think Tank, the owner of Controlled Labs, or many of these CEO’s are that big, so why do you buy these products?




The size of the "CEO", doesnt mean the product is any less effective.


Ok, here is what I got to say to everybody:


To DTrain:
1- ATD has no half life.




ATD has no half life? :confused: Since when is it possible for substance not to have a half life? Care to back it up with some science?


Local Celebritry? You must think highly of yourself to come up with a name like that. All you are is some skinny kid running around on the net trying to make a name for yourself. Give it up. Nobody cares but you and the little drama queens.

[dangetinthere]

Ohh ohh did this ever get anwsered?


Does CL or tank own stingerrx.com


just curious

[lachy]

whoever post that pic is funny as :D , ye wtf is street team, and ye good arguments on both sides, im stil taking my gb in 3 hours :D

[deserusan]

Ohh ohh did this ever get anwsered?


Does CL or tank own stingerrx.com


just curious

Yes!

[dangetinthere]

Yes!
could you give me a page number I tried reding through all 6 must have missed it :(

[deserusan]

could you give me a page number I tried reding through all 6 must have missed it :(

Read all of me (http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=24004)

[MAX1SBACKK]

LOL. Let go of the grudge for posting him and a pic of his mom? Plus, calling him fat. Now you are telling him to stop banning you? LOL. What do you expect?

The size of the "CEO", doesnt mean the product is any less effective.

ATD has no half life? :confused: Since when is it possible for substance not to have a half life? Care to back it up with some science?

Local Celebritry? You must think highly of yourself to come up with a name like that. All you are is some skinny kid running around on the net trying to make a name for yourself. Give it up. Nobody cares but you and the little drama queens.
1- If people judge my opinions by my stats, why wont they judge it by the CEO's?

2- Even Robboe said it has no half life. It was discussed.

3- Sure. Why do you come into all of my posts and try to attack me? Like in the Muscle Milk thread, even thought it is indeed cheaper.


whoever post that pic is funny as :D , ye wtf is street team, and ye good arguments on both sides, im stil taking my gb in 3 hours :D
Street Teamers are just peeps who promote their products in exchange for some.
I think I answered all of your PMs, feel free to ask more.


Ohh ohh did this ever get anwsered?


Does CL or tank own stingerrx.com


just curious
Yes they do.
My refund was issued from there.

[xGhostinGx]

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=24004&view=findpost&p=338903

If Sawa hasnt already seen this, hopefully when he does, he will start banning you too.

[dangetinthere]

Read all of me (http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=24004)
Intresting wow he really does ill be damned

[MAX1SBACKK]

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=24004&view=findpost&p=338903

If Sawa hasnt already seen this, hopefully when he does, he will start banning you too.
He seen it. It was before. I was told he is affiliated, but I am actually on good terms with him now.
Any other questions before I get off to sleep?

[xGhostinGx]

1- If people judge my opinions by my stats, why wont they judge it by the CEO's?

2- Even Robboe said it has no half life. It was discussed.

3- Sure. Why do you come into all of my posts and try to attack me? Like in the Muscle Milk thread, even thought it is indeed cheaper.


1. Your "opinion" vs the size of a CEO and whether the products are effective, are not the samething. You make no good casre

2. As much as I respect what Robboe says, I asked you for some science. Not an "even so and so said."

3. MM is cheaper? Cheaper than what? MM is a joke. The price to protein ratio is sickening.

4. You have never once had anything remotely brilliant to say. Welcome to ignore.

[MAX1SBACKK]

1. Your "opinion" vs the size of a CEO and whether the products are effective, are not the samething. You make no good casre

2. As much as I respect what Robboe says, I asked you for some science. Not an "even so and so said."

3. MM is cheaper? Cheaper than what? MM is a joke. The price to protein ratio is sickening.

4. You have never once had anything remotely brilliant to say. Welcome to ignore.
1. What? Since when does size show how much you know? Are you going to ask a juice head how he does it and follow his path even if hes wrong?

2. He said there is no information or anything related to the half life, it just comes, does its job. I cant speak for science of a compound thats so new, there isnt any research on it.

3. Muscle Milk vs. Mass Meal, remember? MM has MCT, not transfat, equal protein and servings to Mass Meal, but is about $3 cheaper, @ $17 a tub.

4. If thats how you feel, then I'm sorry.

[xGhostinGx]

Any other questions before I get off to sleep?


That wasnt a question. Do you see a question mark in that post?


This is a question mark ?

[MAX1SBACKK]

Holy **** you live in brooklyn? I live in queens... i'd like to meet you face to face bro.

No. Maxx's questions / opinions / complaints / thoughts should be kept public for all of us to read, and same for Tank's replies.

PS: Maxx, you get my email?
I got your email and just replied :D

I am glad to share my opinions and glad that Deserusan pitted us so nicely :)

Yeah I live in Brooklyn, I think somebody should arrange a bb.com chill day or something. Theres tons of people in NY on this site, and Sawastea seems like he would be interested.

[xGhostinGx]

1. What? Since when does size show how much you know? Are you going to ask a juice head how he does it and follow his path even if hes wrong?

2. He said there is no information or anything related to the half life, it just comes, does its job. I cant speak for science of a compound thats so new, there isnt any research on it.

3. Muscle Milk vs. Mass Meal, remember? MM has MCT, not transfat, equal protein and servings to Mass Meal, but is about $3 cheaper, @ $17 a tub.

4. If thats how you feel, then I'm sorry.


I havent put you on ignore yet, as Im too busy addressing your ridiculous questions.

1. LOL. :D Since when does size determine if a product works or not? Size is NOT a good indicator of knowledge, but then again, at the age of 15, you dont hardly know a thing. :D

2. ATD is NOT new.

3. Price/gram of protein. Not the total cost of each.

[Lurker 248]

yeah, those are what got me seed money to start up controlled labs. dont really do much with them now, they sell themself off the sites.
Those product bring in some big money lad. I should have known that you were behind this.

ta ta

Lurker

[MAX1SBACKK]

I havent put you on ignore yet, as Im too busy addressing your ridiculous questions.

1. LOL. :D Since when does size determine if a product works or not? Size is NOT a good indicator of knowledge, but then again, at the age of 15, you dont hardly know a thing. :D

2. ATD is NOT new.

3. Price/gram of protein. Not the total cost of each.
1. People flame me because of my work. "Oh hes fat dont listen to him." I dont think you fully understood what I was implying.

2. It is fairly new. It lacks research and not much is known about it at all. This is why DS moved away from it.

3.
Muscle Milk: $17 - 15 servings: 32g protein per scoop
Mass Meal: $20 - 15 servings: 34g per scoop

Mass Meal has 510g Protein - $0.039 per gram
Muscle Milk has 480g Protein - $0.035 per gram

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/mass.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/milk.html

On Bodybuilding.com they are priced lower, but those prices are the lowest on the web. Both have cheap shipping. On BB.com they are same price.

[Lurker 248]

Max you are a bright boy. Come under my wing and maybe you could replace Joel. He doesnt listen to what daddy tells him anyway.

[Slated]

Holy Prepubescent Man Titties Batman :eek:

I go to bed and the thread goes another 2 pages

----------------------------------------------------------

Des, shoot me a PM next time you're on

[NATHAN518]

Holy Prepubescent Man Titties


LOL...:D

[cervasa1977]

Holy Prepubescent Man Titties Batman :eek:

I go to bed and the thread goes another 2 pages

----------------------------------------------------------

Des, shoot me a PM next time you're on
:D Maxx never sleeps when he is on a mission!!!!!!!!!!!

[carcinogen]

1. People flame me because of my work. "Oh hes fat dont listen to him." I dont think you fully understood what I was implying.

2. It is fairly new. It lacks research and not much is known about it at all. This is why DS moved away from it.

3.
Muscle Milk: $17 - 15 servings: 32g protein per scoop
Mass Meal: $20 - 15 servings: 34g per scoop

Mass Meal has 510g Protein - $0.039 per gram
Muscle Milk has 480g Protein - $0.035 per gram

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/mass.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/milk.html

On Bodybuilding.com they are priced lower, but those prices are the lowest on the web. Both have cheap shipping. On BB.com they are same price.
1. I dont care

2. Speculation

3. I wish everything was as simple as that. I guess it depends on what you are comparing (meaning what you want).

[Slated]

Did I mention I ordered more Mass Meal from Mike last night ? Nice sale! Can't wait...2 months is far to long to go without a frosty Mass Meal

:)

[zhorner]

Did I mention I ordered more Mass Meal from Mike last night ? Nice sale! Can't wait...2 months is far to long to go without a frosty Mass Meal

:)


mass meal is pretty good...i almost puked it up when i read your little homo rap about it though :rolleyes:

[nni]

i read that MM thread. here is a funny link.

http://ace0cc.googlepages.com/maxxexposed

im glad this thread exists, it has really helped alot.

[zhorner]

i read that MM thread. here is a funny link.

http://ace0cc.googlepages.com/maxxexposed

im glad this thread exists, it has really helped alot.


its good to know that you dont need controlled labs products to get that massive :D

[sawastea]

Sawastea is from NY too?

Work in Manhattan, live in Greenwich and have an apt in NYC ;)

[nni]

Work in Manhattan, live in Greenwich and have an apt in NYC ;)

i work in manhattan as well.

[NATHAN518]

Work in Manhattan, live in Greenwich and have an apt in NYC ;)

sounds like maxx wants to get together and hang out saw

let us know how that goes:D

[Slated]

sounds like maxx wants to get together and hang out saw

let us know how that goes:D
considering his age...meeting up at a pub is out.

maybe he'd like to meetup at KidsRus

[NATHAN518]

maybe he'd like to meetup at KidsRus

that would be cool...saw will have to pick him up though...:D

[sawastea]

i work in manhattan as well.

I had no idea you worked at that place! That's classic! I also noticed that you live on a certain island, interesting ;)

[nni]

I had no idea you worked at that place! That's classic! I also noticed that you live on a certain island, interesting ;)

you know too much!!!!

i assume you did a look up?

[sawastea]

LOL @ the meetup. There are a lot of cats that live on, or work close to the island. Imagine a get-together consisting of Flagg3, naturalguy, OMGitsMAXX, Tank, G Diesel, boyscout, nni and sawastea :eek:

[Cyrus317]

I am glad that you are going to listen to a 16 year old kid who never works out has tried every product including PH's all before the ripe age of 15. He has beef with companies when they don't pick him as a tester based on his age then tries to bash all these companies, its not only CL that he has attacked on this forum. Despite his qualities at times he brings more drama to this board then help. His intentions on this board are always questioned and has had serveral usernames and guess what everyone of them has been banned.

I'm sorry, but there is simply no way that this dude is 16. A good actor, maybe... Clever enough to know how to get out of jams (minors have a ton more legal protections than adults when it comes to the internet)... yes. Seemingly intelligent and well-spoken... usually... Having personally tested a lot of these products... unlikely... 16, or anywhere near that age...NO F-in way!

[cervasa1977]

I'm sorry, but there is simply no way that this dude is 16. A good actor, maybe... Clever enough to know how to get out of jams (minors have a ton more legal protections than adults when it comes to the internet)... yes. Seemingly intelligent and well-spoken... usually... Having personally tested a lot of these products... unlikely... 16, or anywhere near that age...NO F-in way!Yep he is 16 actually just turned 16 he has been around for awhile..... he actually is well known on the forums

[DejaBlue55]

L M F A O !

[storm shadow]

LOL @ the meetup. There are a lot of cats that live on, or work close to the island. Imagine a get-together consisting of Flagg3, naturalguy, OMGitsMAXX, Tank, G Diesel, boyscout, nni and sawastea :eek:
I think after everyone met and greeted each other there would be an awkward silence, then Maxx would probably let one rip and everyone would burst out laughing. :D


Seriously though, If it would be cool to meet a few people from the forum in real life, however IMO it would have to be in a gym or at a bar. :)

[sawastea]

I think after everyone met and greeted each other there would be an awkward silence, then Maxx would probably let one rip and everyone would burst out laughing. :D


Seriously though, If it would be cool to meet a few people from the forum in real life, however IMO it would have to be in a gym or at a bar. :)

...or, as my friend Al Bundy would say, "nudie bar." ;)

[xGhostinGx]

1. People flame me because of my work. "Oh hes fat dont listen to him." I dont think you fully understood what I was implying.

2. It is fairly new. It lacks research and not much is known about it at all. This is why DS moved away from it.

3.
Muscle Milk: $17 - 15 servings: 32g protein per scoop
Mass Meal: $20 - 15 servings: 34g per scoop

Mass Meal has 510g Protein - $0.039 per gram
Muscle Milk has 480g Protein - $0.035 per gram

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/mass.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cs/milk.html

On Bodybuilding.com they are priced lower, but those prices are the lowest on the web. Both have cheap shipping. On BB.com they are same price.


1. I wouldnt go to a dentist who was missing teeth.

2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7250905&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum Look, an article on ATD from 1981 *gasp* I dont know what was said, but DS didnt release RXT only to later get away from it claiming there wasnt enough research. They likely got away from ATD because of BK.

3. MM is 32g for 2 scoops. Making 1 scoop 16gs.
What's In It?
Supplement Facts:

Container Size: 2.48 Lbs
Serving Size: 2 Scoops or 1 Packet
Servings Per Container: 20

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories: 348
Calories From Fat: 162
Total Fat: 18 g 28%
Saturated Fat: 8 g 40%
Cholesterol: 3 mg 1%
Sodium: 200 mg 8%
Potassium: 595 mg 17%
Total Carbohydrates: 12 g 4%
Dietary Fiber: <2 g 8%
Sugars: 6 g
Protein: 32 g


You are way out of your league with me.

[MAX1SBACKK]

1. I wouldnt go to a dentist who was missing teeth.

2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7250905&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum Look, an article on ATD from 1981 *gasp* I dont know what was said, but DS didnt release RXT only to later get away from it claiming there wasnt enough research. They likely got away from ATD because of BK.

3. MM is 32g for 2 scoops. Making 1 scoop 16gs.
What's In It?
Supplement Facts:

Container Size: 2.48 Lbs
Serving Size: 2 Scoops or 1 Packet
Servings Per Container: 20

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories: 348
Calories From Fat: 162
Total Fat: 18 g 28%
Saturated Fat: 8 g 40%
Cholesterol: 3 mg 1%
Sodium: 200 mg 8%
Potassium: 595 mg 17%
Total Carbohydrates: 12 g 4%
Dietary Fiber: <2 g 8%
Sugars: 6 g
Protein: 32 g


You are way out of your league with me.
1. How are you so ignorant?

2. Ok, so why wont you go on and find out the half life of atd. Since its there, I'm sure you'll have no trouble.

3. Mass Meal is 34g per 2 scoops and MuscleMilk is 32g per 2 scoops.
What the hell are you tlaking about?

[carcinogen]

1. How are you so ignorant?

2. Ok, so why wont you go on and find out the half life of atd. Since its there, I'm sure you'll have no trouble.

3. Mass Meal is 34g per 2 scoops and MuscleMilk is 32g per 2 scoops.
What the hell are you tlaking about?


2. To say that ATD doesnt have a 1/2 life is ignorant...it has a half-life...we just dont know what it is because that particular attribute hasnt been studied - at least from some of the abstracts and journals I have read.

[MAX1SBACKK]

Currently in Red because Pu12 negged for the Guerilla Marketing while Tanks defense was, "all companies use it."

I had a late night conversation with a serious player at "one of the top 7" (dollar volume)
supp companies in America last night (he just got in and needed to contact me so I could
finish some ad copy for the company). Neither he nor any of his employees are allowed to
post to any board as 'company people' (but I am confident they do as individuals anonymous
despite his assertions to the contrary). He did admit that one of the 1st things he does in
the morning when he gets to work is to "look at the 1st page of 4-5 of the boards to see whats
what" - and he has caught this thread.

His point was thus - "so what, it appears guerilla and stealth marketing by companies can
sometimes pay off well when they do not have money for ad space in the big mags."

I did not agree (I find these fake logs and board reps absolutely despicable and could not
see how he was correct - so I asked for an example. And he had one - one that shocked me.)

He asked that I not mention the company (his or the one he said employed sleazeball spam
tactics that paid off) so I won't but I will give you a hint. The company is "very colorful" and
everyday, it seems as if 25% of the posts on the 1st page of that big site are devoted
to regurgitating questions and answers to their specific product line which had been asked
and answered the day before...and the day before...and so on.

From what I understand, there have been a lot of complaints lodged with the owners of the
board about this company and their spam tactics and also that a lot of BS has been going on with
misuse of PM's there also - the company owner 'denies' this but what else can he do? Admit
they're "Remora'ed the board for their own personal financial benefit?"

Anyhow, after about a 6 months concerted effort of daily spammanation, making sure 24/7
their products and the company name takes up at least 25% of page one all the time,
it paid off. Some of their prods have been picked up by one of the bigger chains and they
managed to crack the "Top 50" with one of their supps.

The guy I talked to said, "look at their product line and what they sell" so I did:

Nothing innovative or unique - essentially commodity items with a 'different spin'
on packaging. I happen to like a few of their products a lot because they are convenient
and one of them is pretty cool IMHO but for the most part - the stuff is grossly over-rated.

I mean, let's be honest here: a tribulus product with some other herbs? A creatine/arginine
mix in caps? A creatine powder/drink with two other amino's in it? Essentially a BCAA
mix with a few other aminos + some 'energy precursors'? A rather bland NO2 type product?

Aside from the creatine products, it was pointed out to me that there are actually people
who "claim" they "feel" amazing results from the BCAA product and trib product as evidenced
by "good bro logs" They have one fatty acid product (and it has TTA in it - wonder where
they got the idea from?) that is probably very effective and I am sure all the creatine
mixes work really well too.

Anyhow, 6 months of constant spam paid off because this 12-15 month old company is
now taking out $5K per page ads in the bigger mags (which is the correct thing to do if
you want your company to be big).

Thinking about all this really bothered me but the gent I was chatting with told me "don't
let it bother you - this is how things are done these days, they are not the only company
doing this, they just happened to parleigh free electronic advertising into a nice small
company". Know what? He's correct.

I'm sure all the stuff these guys sell is dosed well and of high quality - even if the items
are mostly "commodity stuff". Who am I to begrudge them success? Heck if the owner
of the board that allows them to openly and constantly pimp their wares for free (well, it
costs a little to pay the pimps) then what business is it of mine? NONE! He's right.

They're a little company, maybe they do $1.5-$2.5 million per year in gross sales.
They'll never see $5.0 million because of a giant error they're making in the way they
set up their business but you know what? Grossing $150,000/month on high margin
commodity items will keep 4-6 guys employed and it's easy - you fly under the radar,
you do not have to worry about the big elephants considering you a threat so they will leave
you alone with the lawsuit thing, and more than likely, you can push the envelope a bit
more without the FDA banging down your door.

Maybe I have it all wrong in wanting to help someone build the next MuscleTech, Cytodyne,
EAS or Weider? Maybe the future of the industry is going to not be 6-8 giant,
$50,000,000-$120,000,000 per year grossing companies but 200 little <$2,000,000 per year
companies? Maybe that's what I should be doing? Less hassle, less work, more free time
to play with my hobbies and family/friends?

[MAX1SBACKK]

I suppose there are certains merits to 'which way' the industry should head.
Competition is generally
good for the consumer, little companies will be forced to be "lean and mean" and come
up with new, cool items or die on the vine. But the downside is that if one of these
little guys missteps and makes something that hurts someone, they can reinvent themselves
with no problems and the other 199 companies might be left to clean up the mess.

Wish I had a crystal ball right about now.

Time for me to stop pontificating. Anyhow, this conversation made me think for a good hour
in bed last night and the words really impacted me. I'm not gonna tag on these little
guys doing "questionable things" anymore and if the board full of noobs wants to
allow them to post and vomit with impugnity, day in, day out until the company reaches
a 7 figure size, then I guess I have nothing to say about it and should actually congratulate
these guys for their persistance.

The big guys do not take them seriously - they have a fatal, limiting flaw in the way they
have structured their business so why should I?

[carcinogen]

I suppose there are certains merits to 'which way' the industry should head.
Competition is generally
good for the consumer, little companies will be forced to be "lean and mean" and come
up with new, cool items or die on the vine. But the downside is that if one of these
little guys missteps and makes something that hurts someone, they can reinvent themselves
with no problems and the other 199 companies might be left to clean up the mess.

Wish I had a crystal ball right about now.

Time for me to stop pontificating. Anyhow, this conversation made me think for a good hour
in bed last night and the words really impacted me. I'm not gonna tag on these little
guys doing "questionable things" anymore and if the board full of noobs wants to
allow them to post and vomit with impugnity, day in, day out until the company reaches
a 7 figure size, then I guess I have nothing to say about it and should actually congratulate
these guys for their persistance.

The big guys do not take them seriously - they have a fatal, limiting flaw in the way they
have structured their business so why should I?


you gonna give credit as to who wrote that and where you got it from?

[MAX1SBACKK]

2. To say that ATD doesnt have a 1/2 life is ignorant...it has a half-life...we just dont know what it is because that particular attribute hasnt been studied - at least from some of the abstracts and journals I have read.
Do calories have a half life or they get used up as needed and stored away?

[MAX1SBACKK]

you gonna give credit as to who wrote that and where you got it from?
Lets say I was tipped off.

I'm interested in Tanks reply,

[carcinogen]

Do calories have a half life or they get used up as needed and stored away?
where the hell are you going with this?

[carcinogen]

Lets say I was tipped off.

I'm interested in Tanks reply,
unless you are BK,

http://musclegurus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=343&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180

these arent your original thoughts

[johnnyironboard]

Congrats on 6,101 posts.

Thanks, I think.

[nni]

now your copying other peoples posts??

maxx, give it up, i cant believe you havent been banned yet.

[MAX1SBACKK]

Not really idiots, I got 2 PM's just now, and 1 more telling me to post it up so.. please, everybody stop dickriding Tank.

[BODYBUILDER889]

16 and a rep? now that good business! if they get in trouble they let the minor take the fall!!!
BRILLIANT!
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fatalityzidane1418ft.gif

[MAX1SBACKK]

Okay everbody, can we stop polluting this thread and leave it to its purpose? Sawastea, can you please clear this mess up.

To everybody else, if you have any questions PM me, but don't ruin this thread.
Thank you.

[TE]

Not really idiots, I got 2 PM's just now, and 1 more telling me to post it up so.. please, everybody stop dickriding Tank.
You've got way too much anger inside of you, little boy. Go to the gym, for once, & let some stress out on the weights. You'll live a much longer & happier life.

And just because we don't like you plagiarizing BK, doesn't mean we are "dickriding" Tank.

[cervasa1977]

Okay everbody, can we stop polluting this thread and leave it to its purpose? Sawastea, can you please clear this mess up.

To everybody else, if you have any questions PM me, but don't ruin this thread.
Thank you.
I thought this was Deserusan thread not Maxx attack CL thread. It started about questioning GB and WB not attacking CL for Marketing Tactics

[TE]

I thought this was Deserusan thread not Maxx attack CL thread. It started about questioning GB and WB not attacking CL for Marketing Tactics
exactly. old news, maxx. start something new, why don't you?

[MAX1SBACKK]

You've got way too much anger inside of you, little boy. Go to the gym, for once, & let some stress out on the weights. You'll live a much longer & happier life.

And just because we don't like you plagiarizing BK, doesn't mean we are "dickriding" Tank.
I did not plagiarize him.
I got a few private messages that I am keeping to my self, that's all for now.


I thought this was Deserusan thread not Maxx attack CL thread. It started about questioning GB and WB not attacking CL for Marketing Tactics
This is my thread, I have questions to ask CL, mods are watching over this and this is non of your buisness so please leave.

[cervasa1977]

You didn't start this thread its not your its a forum anyways and we all have the right to post in it, plus I don't see you asking questions just posting your opinions

[TE]

I did not plagiarize him.

How not?

[nni]

I did not plagiarize him.
I got a few private messages that I am keeping to my self, that's all for now.


This is my thread, I have questions to ask CL, mods are watching over this and this is non of your buisness so please leave.

its by the grace of saw that you havent been banned yet again. you have continued to disrespect the board by ignoring the rules repeatedly. you and des (des, i only mentioned you because you started both threads, i mean no disrespect by lumping you in with max :)) have succeeded in giving controlled labs a black eye, at this point the more you push and insist, the more you lose any ground that you have gained. now please, be a man, accept the fact that you have been banned and live with it. there are other forums that you can be heard at.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Not really idiots, I got 2 PM's just now, and 1 more telling me to post it up so.. please, everybody stop dickriding Tank.
your post didn’t ask any questions, it insinuated that we use undercover shills which is not correct. if you can find even 1 undercover rep and prove it 100% we will leave the board forever and give you a lifetime supply of supplements. anything we have done to promote our products has been done by every other company on this board, tester logs, FAQ and replying to questions consumers ask. Not that the top 50 list even matters, but we have been on the top 50 list since august of last year (the past 11 months) and before we even had a rep besides myself. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/top50aug05.htm

I am done with you, I have answered all of your questions.

[utjock12]

wait. he is bitching about CL copying others products by plaigarising someone elses posts...?

[TE]

wait. he is bitching about CL copying others products by plaigarising someone elses posts...?
'tis true.

[MAX1SBACKK]

your post didn’t ask any questions, it insinuated that we use undercover shills which is not correct. if you can find even 1 undercover rep and prove it 100% we will leave the board forever and give you a lifetime supply of supplements. anything we have done to promote our products has been done by every other company on this board, tester logs, FAQ and replying to questions consumers ask. Not that the top 50 list even matters, but we have been on the top 50 list since august of last year (the past 11 months) and before we even had a rep besides myself. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/top50aug05.htm

I am done with you, I have answered all of your questions.
I did not have the time to finish compiling the questions but the list is on its way.
How can I proove 100% lol? The only way to prove the gov was behind 9/11 is if we get them to admit it, which is unlikely, dont you think?

You still haven't fully replyed to that big post, and why are you so eager to stop answering my questions? Whats the hold back. Don't worry, I'll PM you whwen its up ;)

[MAX1SBACKK]

wait. he is bitching about CL copying others products by plaigarising someone elses posts...?
The author PM'd me and told me to post it up.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I did not have the time to finish compiling the questions but the list is on its way.
How can I proove 100% lol? The only way to prove the gov was behind 9/11 is if we get them to admit it, which is unlikely, dont you think?

You still haven't fully replyed to that big post, and why are you so eager to stop answering my questions? Whats the hold back. Don't worry, I'll PM you whwen its up ;)
i replied to every question I saw. I am eager to stop because you are a waste of time and you are just trying to bring up any miniscule thing you can find, but none of it is true. Adults have to work, we dont have time to sit here waiting for a kid who isnt even a customer or potential customer to post up questions.

[MAX1SBACKK]

i replied to every question I saw. I am eager to stop because you are a waste of time and you are just trying to bring up any miniscule thing you can find, but none of it is true. Adults have to work, we dont have time to sit here waiting for a kid who isnt even a customer or potential customer to post up questions.
1- So why did you refund my money?

2- I did not ask you to come in here, I told you I will PM you once my questions are up. For now you can leave.

[utjock12]

why would he PM you to put it up and not do it himself?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

1- So why did you refund my money?

2- I did not ask you to come in here, I told you I will PM you once my questions are up. For now you can leave.
1) I already told you why I refunded it, are you not reading my replies. I will recap, I did it to show people that we have great customer service and that we would even refund someone who admitted that he sold 3 of the bottles and purchased sale items and held on to them for 120 days before e-mailing us about dissatisfaction. So if we would refund even a person like that, we would refund anyone who was dissatisfied.

2) You are very disrespectful. Do me a favor and DO NOT PM me, I am out of this thread.

[BODYBUILDER889]

I tend to side with controlled labs on this because i have no idea who you are and why any company would trust a jackass is beyond me.

[nni]

I did not have the time to finish compiling the questions but the list is on its way.
How can I proove 100% lol? The only way to prove the gov was behind 9/11 is if we get them to admit it, which is unlikely, dont you think?

You still haven't fully replyed to that big post, and why are you so eager to stop answering my questions? Whats the hold back. Don't worry, I'll PM you whwen its up ;)

the gov. was behind 9/11.

that is dispicable max. stop running your mouth.

[BODYBUILDER889]

pu:
WTF indeed....

[sawastea]

This thread is going no where, please don't create another one. You have a stepping stone here Maxx. I think your next best move is to either PM CONTROLLED LABS or call him. 1/2 this thread is useless and the 1/2 has some valid points, many of which were answered. If you guys want to take this to email, that is fine, feel free to CC me so we know what's happening.

sawastea@aol.com