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SHOT
12-24-2002, 01:11 PM
Raver's T-3 article

This is one of my favorite articles. Here is what I have of it. I thought it would be a nice addition

Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as **** in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3

SHOT
12-25-2002, 10:07 AM
bump

SHOT
12-25-2002, 10:35 AM
bump it

windows250279
01-20-2003, 07:17 AM
good read shot.

Are there any worries of having a rebound effect after you have come off the T3.

borgia
01-26-2003, 04:26 AM
bump, because this is interesting and very usefull info.

gofer
02-14-2003, 07:38 PM
I'm planning to use t3 during my next cycle, not noly to keep the fat and bloat down but to also uincrease my appetite.

bighig
02-23-2003, 02:16 PM
i use 37.5 mcg year round, is this dangerous?

hitmeoff
03-21-2003, 02:19 AM
I posted this question over at another board in response to this article, no one gave me any answers so I'll post it here:

Its a very interesting post and Im a HUGE fan of T3. Ive used it before and absolutel loved it.

One thing I am curious about is this: Raver suggests using T3 to rid yourself of fat after a cycle. T3 is catabolic, we know this. So how does it make sense to use T3 post cycle, when your body is already at its most catabolic state?

Also how could T3 be used in a cycle if you are using Slin and GH as well? Since alot of the anabolic action of the Slin/GH combo comes from IGF-1 production, and T3 suppresses IGF-1? Or is raver stating that 25-50mcg of T3 wont effect IGF-1 much?

bigjay00
04-16-2003, 08:12 AM
bump

highpower1111
05-20-2003, 08:35 PM
37.5 mcg year round? not in cycles?

Blindfaith
12-13-2003, 11:27 AM
250mcg of t3/day...wow thats insanity! Sounds intriguing though...so if a person was 250lbs (someone like me) were to take 250mcg/day...for how many weeks would i be on it for? And would there be a huge rebound effect after the cycle is over? What would a typical post cycle Raver T3 cycle look like for a 250lbs guy?

Blindfaith
12-13-2003, 11:28 AM
250mcg of t3/day...wow thats insanity! Sounds intriguing though...so if a person was 250lbs (someone like me) were to take 250mcg/day...for how many weeks would i be on it for? And would there be a huge rebound effect after the cycle is over? What would a typical post cycle Raver T3 cycle look like for a 250lbs guy?

Skillz
01-25-2004, 05:03 PM
So your saying you take this stack when your using a 1-test? Hows M1T sound?

So if I take M1T and the stack given above, i will gain all lean mass and burn fat and have no bloat at all? is this true? Would I take the stack PCT?
Can this be taken without any 1-test? Say I just want to workout naturaly but want to burn fat, can I take this?

agaudin
02-03-2004, 02:26 PM
I'm new to this board. Who is this Raver and and or Shot, and how do you know if this info is reliable. A thyroid is a terrible thing to waste. If he is credible, more power to him. I would be interested in pm him. For the record I'm not a kid. I'm 28 have been training for 10 years and am interested in this theory of 1mcg per lb. If you are the forementioned person, please pm me. thank you for your time.

Imaplayer99
03-01-2004, 07:32 PM
i have seen in many places that you should not go over like 125-150 mcg of T3 per day...... i weigh about 210... would it REALLY be safe to take that much (200-225mcg) per day???? I will stack it with clen so it should not be needed to go up that high in dosage???

BUt, if you think it will work.... then ill try it////... i need to lose about 15lbs of pure fat anyways...

Thanks and great article
TC

stone5
07-13-2004, 08:32 PM
Thanks for taking the time to write a thorough review, best I've seen. Details help!

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