MMA - UFC Thread

[Cocktail]

UFC

MMA



I do not know about you guys but I am in love with the UFC. I am actualy thinking about getting involved in MMA and I thought it would be cool for the fans to talk about everything in here.

Anyone here a MMA fighter?


So whos going to win the next fight Hughes or Gracie?


http://www.ufc.com/

[UberBerzerker]

c'mon buddy

this doesn't belong here.

take it to the MISC. Forums

[TE]

Nice topic, wrong forum. A mod will be moving this to the misc. section shortly. There actually may be one in there already.

Actually, you may want to delete this before people start flaming you.

Just some friendly advice.:)

EDIT: too late.

[bennnnn]

I AM GOING TO THAT FIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So pumped

I hope Royce wins

But yeah wrong forum :P

[TE]

I AM GOING TO THAT FIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So pumped

I hope Royce wins

But yeah wrong forum :P
lucky bastard.

[hypnotikk]

UFC

MMA



I do not know about you guys but I am in love with the UFC. I am actualy thinking about getting involved in MMA and I thought it would be cool for the fans to talk about everything in here.

Anyone here a MMA fighter?


So whos going to win the next fight Hughes or Gracie?


http://www.ufc.com/


What names are you going to give your children?

[bennnnn]

flying down from canada all the way to LA for it.....thats how hardcore i am

[TE]

flying down from canada all the way to LA for it.....thats how hardcore i am
cause that's how I roll......;):D

[NumberTwentyTwo]

i wish we could do a supplement misc section...problem is miscers would soon overrun it. an invisible one??? jkeith do you know magic?

[UberBerzerker]

i wish we could do a supplement misc section...problem is miscers would soon overrun it. an invisible one??? jkeith do you know magic?

what would you put in the supp misc section that couldn't just be handled by the already installed and very popular misc section?!

[NumberTwentyTwo]

what would you put in the supp misc section that couldn't just be handled by the already installed and very popular misc section?!
its the diff groups / types of people in each section....misc typically has tons of dueches

[bjjwraslter7]

UFC

MMA



I do not know about you guys but I am in love with the UFC. I am actualy thinking about getting involved in MMA and I thought it would be cool for the fans to talk about everything in here.

Anyone here a MMA fighter?


So whos going to win the next fight Hughes or Gracie?


http://www.ufc.com/

I see you are 16, if you are interested in training mma join your highschool wrestling team. You will get more out of that than anything else at this point I think. It's a school sport so you get the following advantages: won't interfere with school, can get good practice everyday, probably have good coachs that know there stuff, you will compete which makes you better, looks good on college transcript, gain you respect at school, ect.

What better to give you a feel for mma training than a sport that you can practice every day and compete in for free that teachs you the best ways to take someone down, not get taken down, and control and keep someone on their back when it goes to the ground?

[Cocktail]

I see you are 16

I am not 16 sorry pal.

[Cocktail]

I was watching the ultimate fighter the other day and the guy went home to be with his gf just because there was rumors that he cheated on her. He blew is career for some stupid rumor and he was only with this girl for 6months. All the guys lost alot of respect and the owner/founder of the ufc lost respect which is obviously a very bad thing. He can say goodbye to his career. He better marry her.

[AaronC]

I see you are 16, if you are interested in training mma join your highschool wrestling team. You will get more out of that than anything else at this point I think. It's a school sport so you get the following advantages: won't interfere with school, can get good practice everyday, probably have good coachs that know there stuff, you will compete which makes you better, looks good on college transcript, gain you respect at school, ect.

What better to give you a feel for mma training than a sport that you can practice every day and compete in for free that teachs you the best ways to take someone down, not get taken down, and control and keep someone on their back when it goes to the ground?
Best advice for someone who is in school interested in MMA.

[bjjwraslter7]

I am not 16 sorry pal.

Oh sorry I must have been looking at your post count when it said 16. My bad.

[bjjwraslter7]

I was watching the ultimate fighter the other day and the guy went home to be with his gf just because there was rumors that he cheated on her. He blew is career for some stupid rumor and he was only with this girl for 6months. All the guys lost alot of respect and the owner/founder of the ufc lost respect which is obviously a very bad thing. He can say goodbye to his career. He better marry her.

Yeah that guy is a bitch. He could have handled that situation a lot better. The sad thing is that she probably jsut got tired of waiting around on him and wanted and excuse to screw around with other guys. She probably broke up with him as soon as he talked to her. By the way Dana White isn't a founder or owner, he's the president.

[OKCDUDE]

Yeah that guy is a bitch. He could have handled that situation a lot better. The sad thing is that she probably jsut got tired of waiting around on him and wanted and excuse to screw around with other guys. She probably broke up with him as soon as he talked to her. By the way Dana White isn't a founder or owner, he's the president.


yea blowing that chance for a girlfriend. I think he got in the octagon and got hit pretty hard then had second thoughts about fighting with the big boys

[bjjwraslter7]

yea blowing that chance for a girlfriend. I think he got in the octagon and got hit pretty hard then had second thoughts about fighting with the big boys

It's especially bad that it's a gf of 6 months. How the hell did she suspect him of cheating anyway when he's at that house on lockdown and can't go anywhere? Maybe he's really gay and his bf got jealous he was locked up with all those guys. Regardless if your gf of 6 months starts spazing out like that and can't wait a couple weeks til you get home to discuss it she probably wasn't that interested to begin with. I think it was either an excuse for him to go home, or an excuse for her to screw around.

[TN_WORKOUT]

I'm hooked on MMA (UFC and Pride Fighting). It's so much more entertaining than boxing.

Hughes vs. Gracie. I'm voting for Hughes. I just gotta think that Hughes will match up well with Gracie's grappling, wrestling & submissions.Hughes also has the advantage of being a few years younger (7 years I think). IMHO.

Funny thing: My wife and mother enjoy watching UFC. Life is good.

[joelz54_99]

Anyone here knows when bj penn is scheduled to fight again?

[Back Double Biceps18]

I'm pretty sure I heard a rumour that B.J. might be fighting at UFC 61 against Diego Sanchez, but I was under the impression he was to make up a fight in which he dropped out of a few shows back.

As for Hughes Vs. Gracie I really have no idea anymore. When I first heard about this fight I thought Hughes would smash him, but really who has ever smashed Royce? This will probably be a close fight, and I hate to say it but may also be a very boring one.

LOL, yea saw Noah on The Ultimate Fighter last week to and man that was a very weak decision. Leaving the show for a g/f of only 6 months just didn't make any sense to me, and I read the note didn't eve nask him to come home, just that she recieved this "cheating information" and that she was "hurting" and "still proud of him". How weak is that boys? I would be like wtf if I was in the same position as him but man it can wait 2 weeks until your done the damn show. Didn't really respect him saying that it was worst then one of his family members or loved ones was in a car crash either.

Anyways like the idea of this UFC thread haha, whose watching TUF this week?

[Hunterchilla]

I love MMA and im a huge fan, I also train in brazillian jujitsu, not that id ever wanna compete in MMA though maybe in a grappling torny. Alot of people now are saying they want to compete in MMA, and most people Man I want to be a "cagefighter". But once they start training and see what it really takes to be a mma fighte...blood,sweat, broken noses etc, they realize oh it not for me. People watch it on TV and get the wrong idea, not everyone can be a fighter.

[bjjwraslter7]

Anyways like the idea of this UFC thread haha, whose watching TUF this week?

I will be but I'm pretty behind I've only seen 2 episodes. I moved recently and just got cable a couple weeks ago. Going almost 2 months without tv is no fun, esp when the new tuf season has started.

[basement iron]

Anyone here knows when bj penn is scheduled to fight again?

From what I am hearing he is supposed to be fighting Karo at UFC 62, but it's still to early to know for sure.

[bonethug187]

I'm pretty sure I heard a rumour that B.J. might be fighting at UFC 61 against Diego Sanchez, but I was under the impression he was to make up a fight in which he dropped out of a few shows back.

As for Hughes Vs. Gracie I really have no idea anymore. When I first heard about this fight I thought Hughes would smash him, but really who has ever smashed Royce? This will probably be a close fight, and I hate to say it but may also be a very boring one.

LOL, yea saw Noah on The Ultimate Fighter last week to and man that was a very weak decision. Leaving the show for a g/f of only 6 months just didn't make any sense to me, and I read the note didn't eve nask him to come home, just that she recieved this "cheating information" and that she was "hurting" and "still proud of him". How weak is that boys? I would be like wtf if I was in the same position as him but man it can wait 2 weeks until your done the damn show. Didn't really respect him saying that it was worst then one of his family members or loved ones was in a car crash either.

Anyways like the idea of this UFC thread haha, whose watching TUF this week?

ye noah is such a nonce-case for leaving. im sure she couldve waited a couple of weeks, not like he was gonna get far anyway. they will have to bring back jesse forbes, which is good, i think he had potential and was winning the fight until noah got the sub on him. bisping to represent the brits, but in a way i kinda ant matt to win.

[joelz54_99]

It should be good then. I cant miss it!!!

[bjjwraslter7]

ye noah is such a nonce-case for leaving. im sure she couldve waited a couple of weeks, not like he was gonna get far anyway. they will have to bring back jesse forbes, which is good, i think he had potential and was winning the fight until noah got the sub on him. bisping to represent the brits, but in a way i kinda ant matt to win.

It was a bitch move on her part too. I mean she knows what he's doing and knows how important it is, and knows he can't contact her or do anything about it. She really didn't need to send that message to him when he is under enough stress as it is. Really bitch move to throw his mental game off like that, but it just shows how mentaly weak he is to give up that easily.

[10knees]

Yea noah is a little bitch ass pussy, he was given a great oppurtinuty but he pissed it away , what a ****ing baby ass bitch, this kid is gonna regret it for his whole time, the whole show basically sux they said it be different and people wouldnt quit, another lie, oh well, UFC sux and its fixed, im 100% sure Tito will beat Shamrock, and they are trying to Push Matt to be some great god, so ya he will 100% sure beat royce, anyway if u dont believe me feel free to gimme a holler and i can show u why i think UFC is fixed

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Agree......join the High School wrestling team.


Another key benefit: It's practically FREE

[bonethug187]

ye, theyll prolly break up in a week or so. i bet dana is secretly wishing for that to happen aswell, so am i.

[Back Double Biceps18]

Yea I heard the Karo fight happening UFC 62 was possible as well. I think that would be an awesome fight. I'm hoping they give Diego a challenge as well. Either he should fight Penn or Karo.

You guys are all right in saying Noah was an idiot for leaving. I will say this about the situation though. I thought these guys were supposed to be cut off from the outside world? Why on earth would Dana and the producers give him such a dumb note to begin with? If he didnt "Give a F***" about the situation which he said on the show, why even start it with Noah? I have to believe that this was done to incite some emotion from Noah because he really didn't show much from the start. With him moving on to the semi finals, they couldn't have some passive unresponsive fighter holdin down the whole UFC perception of these guys being the toughest in the world. Let's face it, Jesse acted like a dick to Noah and he could have had legitamite beef with him for the way he was acting but he chose to let his talking be done in the octagon during the fight and let Jesse walk all over him in the house.

Remember these guys biggest fears were to have something go worng at home and the second Noah had this come true for him, he immidietly went into "I HAVE to fix this problem" mentalitly. He didn't look at the big picture. His best idea would have been to have a beer, sit with the guys and talk with them about this, I'm sure the other fighters could have straightened him out.

With this being said, it all comes down to Noah making a horrible choice and possibly throwing away his dreams....he'll have to live with it I guess.

[bonethug187]

Yea I heard the Karo fight happening UFC 62 was possible as well. I think that would be an awesome fight. I'm hoping they give Diego a challenge as well. Either he should fight Penn or Karo.

You guys are all right in saying Noah was an idiot for leaving. I will say this about the situation though. I thought these guys were supposed to be cut off from the outside world? Why on earth would Dana and the producers give him such a dumb note to begin with? If he didnt "Give a F***" about the situation which he said on the show, why even start it with Noah? I have to believe that this was done to incite some emotion from Noah because he really didn't show much from the start. With him moving on to the semi finals, they couldn't have some passive unresponsive fighter holdin down the whole UFC perception of these guys being the toughest in the world. Let's face it, Jesse acted like a dick to Noah and he could have had legitamite beef with him for the way he was acting but he chose to let his talking be done in the octagon during the fight and let Jesse walk all over him in the house.

Remember these guys biggest fears were to have something go worng at home and the second Noah had this come true for him, he immidietly went into "I HAVE to fix this problem" mentalitly. He didn't look at the big picture. His best idea would have been to have a beer, sit with the guys and talk with them about this, I'm sure the other fighters could have straightened him out.

With this being said, it all comes down to Noah making a horrible choice and possibly throwing away his dreams....he'll have to live with it I guess.


hmm, maybe dana planted it there on purpose, knowing how much of a p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pewwseeyy noah is, it might make him leave. good job dana. i think it will be more interesting with jesse around, but which team would he go to.

[Cocktail]

hmm, maybe dana planted it there on purpose, knowing how much of a p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pewwseeyy noah is, it might make him leave. good job dana. i think it will be more interesting with jesse around, but which team would he go to.
This could be true haha :)

[DontTreadOnMe]

I see you are 16, if you are interested in training mma join your highschool wrestling team. You will get more out of that than anything else at this point I think. It's a school sport so you get the following advantages: won't interfere with school, can get good practice everyday, probably have good coachs that know there stuff, you will compete which makes you better, looks good on college transcript, gain you respect at school, ect.

What better to give you a feel for mma training than a sport that you can practice every day and compete in for free that teachs you the best ways to take someone down, not get taken down, and control and keep someone on their back when it goes to the ground?
thats great advice

[bjjwraslter7]

Wait a minute did I miss an episode? The last one I saw was when noah left, and they said they were bringing someone back. Is Jesse the black guy noah beat? I am a little out of the loop cause I just got cable and have only seen the last 2 episodes.

[Back Double Biceps18]

Wait a minute did I miss an episode? The last one I saw was when noah left, and they said they were bringing someone back. Is Jesse the black guy noah beat? I am a little out of the loop cause I just got cable and have only seen the last 2 episodes.

Hey let me help you out a bit buddy. Jessie was the one that lost to Noah. He was the one that was acting like a dick to Noah, like stabbing his basketball and hiding ****. The black guy you speak of name is Solamen and he lost to Rory Singer two espisodes back. Seeing as you have only seen the last two episodes you probably have no idea who Jessie is, just giving you some back ground info.

[bjjwraslter7]

Hey let me help you out a bit buddy. Jessie was the one that lost to Noah. He was the one that was acting like a dick to Noah, like stabbing his basketball and hiding ****. The black guy you speak of name is Solamen and he lost to Rory Singer two espisodes back. Seeing as you have only seen the last two episodes you probably have no idea who Jessie is, just giving you some back ground info.

Damn...for some reason I was thinking rory and noah were the same person. So how did everyone know jessie got braught back, the last episode I saw was the one where noah left and they said they were bringing someone back but didn't say who. Did I miss one?

[misterwaterfall]

Damn...for some reason I was thinking rory and noah were the same person. So how did everyone know jessie got braught back, the last episode I saw was the one where noah left and they said they were bringing someone back but didn't say who. Did I miss one?

I think its all just speculation. I hope they bring back solomon becasue he got beat with a poorly thrown knee, but it will probably be jessie who they bring back

[Back Double Biceps18]

Yea I'm hoping it is Soloman to, just on personality. Both of those fighters have a lot to work on though (for example Jessie subs/sub-defence and Soloman endurance)

[joelz54_99]

Will the loser that is brought back be automatically in the semis? Will this be fair to others? Will be interesting to see what happens.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Damn...for some reason I was thinking rory and noah were the same person. So how did everyone know jessie got braught back, the last episode I saw was the one where noah left and they said they were bringing someone back but didn't say who. Did I miss one?

I've seen all the episodes and I still mix up Rory and Noah, because they look alike, they're both weirdos and they both have weird names.

If I remember correctly, Jesse's main strength was that he was a good wrestler. He lost to Noah, but it was kind of an upset. If they fought again, I'd put my money on Jesse.

[Cocktail]

So who do you guys think is going to win in each weight class on the Ultimate Fighter? Im still looking foward to seeing the guy with the red hair fight. Everyone is hyping him up, implying that he is the best.

[Back Double Biceps18]

I think your talking about Ed Herman. Yeah he is getting some major hype even from Tito. We trains with Team Quest which is with Randy Couture so he is definitly skilled. Saw his fight record to and looks like he has some nice wins as well. We'll see soon enough how good he is though.

[hittman]

Why would they bring Jessie back? He got pwned.

Solomon, for character and entertainment, should be brought back.

[Cocktail]

I think your talking about Ed Herman. Yeah he is getting some major hype even from Tito. We trains with Team Quest which is with Randy Couture so he is definitly skilled. Saw his fight record to and looks like he has some nice wins as well. We'll see soon enough how good he is though.
Yea man. Im looking foward to it. Yo what day is it on again and its on at 10 right? I always catch it in the middle. Its pissin me off.

[Cocktail]

Why would they bring Jessie back? He got pwned.

Solomon, for character and entertainment, should be brought back.
I dont like him much but I agree.

[bonethug187]

i think theyll bring jesse back to replace a light-heavy with a light-heavy, soloman is a middleweight.

[Cocktail]

i think theyll bring jesse back to replace a light-heavy with a light-heavy, soloman is a middleweight.
That would make sense haha.

[Back Double Biceps18]

Yea man that does make sense haha. Will you boys be watching tonight? Who you guys think will win, Tait or the other guy whose name I can't remember. Hopefully there is two fights cause we got screwed last week haha, but I know there won't be.

[bradler]

i think tait will win, but both guys seem pretty cool in real life
the tattoo guy seems the most down to earth, generally a cool guy
i understand why the guys have a hard time getting along with matt (the deaf fighter), but when danny told him how the other fighters felt and matt went straight to kendall and apologized, it just shows what a good guy he is and really made me feel bad for the guy. and then he starts making danny his bitch so now im all neutral again :)

[LatsMakeTheMan]

i think tait will win, but both guys seem pretty cool in real life
the tattoo guy seems the most down to earth, generally a cool guy
i understand why the guys have a hard time getting along with matt (the deaf fighter), but when danny told him how the other fighters felt and matt went straight to kendall and apologized, it just shows what a good guy he is and really made me feel bad for the guy. and then he starts making danny his bitch so now im all neutral again :)

I think they're just pissed at how Tito seemed to be favoring him.

I think they took his comment about being the king a little too seriously, though. They should realize that the guy's deaf, so his concept of what's funny and what's not might be a little maladjusted. It was pretty obvious to me that he was just joking, and the way he went and apologized proved it.

[OKCDUDE]

Yea man that does make sense haha. Will you boys be watching tonight? Who you guys think will win, Tait or the other guy whose name I can't remember. Hopefully there is two fights cause we got screwed last week haha, but I know there won't be.
if you all caught it about to ppv's ago the put the camera on tait and joe rogan said the there is whatever tait" the tuf3 winnnnn" then he stopped talkin he slipped and I caught it if anybody recorded it they can go back and hear it.

[user8073964251]

^ Well Tait can't be the "Winner" because the fights for the contracts are live. He could be a finalist...

Anyway, I hate Kendall... he brags and back-stabs everyone. I hope he gets knocked out next fight. The tatooed guy is cool but he'll lose to Matt. Kaleb and Bisbing are the 2 best IMO.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Yea I hate Kendall too......I hope somebody knocks him out. I don't care who does it. It would be kind of cool if Rory does it, though.......let him take out both members of "team dagger" LOL

[Back Double Biceps18]

Yea I remember exactly what you are talking about when they showed Tait with Joe in that interview. When he said that I believe he was just joking because him and Tait are really good friends, I am almost 100% that Tait actually was his body guard at some point to. I'm hoping Tait loses tonight to tell you the truth though.

I agree Kalib is pretty damn good and him being Canadian makes me like him just a bit more as well. Should be interesting tonight. Hopefully Ken and Tito chirp some more to haha.

[Cocktail]

What time is it on tonight? I believe ufc unleashed is on but what time is the ultimate fighter on?

[Back Double Biceps18]

Ultimate Fighter is on at 10:00pm.

[Cocktail]

Ultimate Fighter is on at 10:00pm.
Thats what i thought. Thankya :D

whos fighting again tonight, do we know yet?

[Cocktail]

Wow I thought that was a great fight. Tate vs Josh. I think it should have went to a 3rd round; it was way to close to call it. Josh won and tate goes home :D

Tito 1 in 5
Ken well you do the math ;)



I think josh wasnt that great of a fighter. He had heart but his skills were lacking and I cant see him being a champion in the UFC. Just my 2 cents.

[Back Double Biceps18]

Yea bro not bad of a fight at all, a little blood is never bad haha. I agree it should have went to another round but I was happy with the decision. Next week's show looks pretty good to.

[bjjwraslter7]

I wasn't too impressed with either of them technique wise. Tait was good on the ground and came close to some subs, but I just can't stand guys that go straight to their gaurd. I don't think gaurd subs should be your primary offense, it's just not good policy to prefer to be on your back in a fight. Anyone see joe stevensons last fight? He kept going straight to gaurd and was getting demolished by the other guy gnping from inside his gaurd. Then at the very end he finally went for a takedown and was on top but didn't have time to do anything. Anyway, I think tait needs to learn how to shoot because his takedown attempts were pitiful. I hate seing bjj guys put their heads down and rush into the other guy like he did a few times. Learn how to freakin shoot.

[OKCDUDE]

the ufc judges really piss me off they have dropped the ball several times this year WTF are they thinking? if this type of stuff continues I will prolly stop watching all together

[LatsMakeTheMan]

It should have gone another round, but if I had to make a decision, I would have given it to Tait. He came close to a few subs, and seemed to be more composed and (slightly) in control for most of the fight....although the other guy was more aggressive.

[Cocktail]

It should have gone another round, but if I had to make a decision, I would have given it to Tait. He came close to a few subs, and seemed to be more composed and (slightly) in control for most of the fight....although the other guy was more aggressive.
I believe Tait was the better fighter. More style and he was more controled. Josh was out of his mind just swing punches. I cannot see josh in the UFC but I could see tait later on down the road if he learns a stand up game rather than just on the ground.

[Cocktail]

Heres a question for you guys.

If you wanted to get involved In MMA what type of fighting should you train in?

[user8073964251]

Tait isn't nearly, NEARLY strong enough. He is a ground specalist and isn't good at all on his feet... yet he is too weak to get the opponent on the ground. That doesn't work.


Cocktail: Muay Thai and BJJ are both pretty good styles of fighting to look into. Also, having background in wrestling or boxing would be a huge benefit as well.

[OKCDUDE]

Tait isn't nearly, NEARLY strong enough. He is a ground specalist and isn't good at all on his feet... yet he is too weak to get the opponent on the ground. That doesn't work.


Cocktail: Muay Thai and BJJ are both pretty good styles of fighting to look into. Also, having background in wrestling or boxing would be a huge benefit as well.
x2. How is this a guy a bodyguard I guess against a normal person coming up and attaking a client he would do ok? not disrespect to him Im just wondering.

[user8073964251]

^maybe? I mean, I'd kill Tait in a street fight (I'm about twice his size) and unless he got you in a sub, he can't do a thing...


I don't know... of course, he's probably a better fighter than 90% of the people on the street, or something... but he's pretty weak in strength and cannot throw a punch.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

x2. How is this a guy a bodyguard I guess against a normal person coming up and attaking a client he would do ok? not disrespect to him Im just wondering.

He's probably got a conceal and carry permit.

[OKCDUDE]

He's probably got a conceal and carry permit.
hahahaha

[Cocktail]

He's probably got a conceal and carry permit.
Haha :)

[DLFB]

Can someone explain to me their beef with each other?

I just watched Vendetta...and to be honest it's just been this year that I'm really starting to follow UFC (before I used to follow it on and off). At the end of the fight, Ken even raised Tito's hand, had a lil talk...etc-it looked to me that the spirit of "sportsmanship" was there.

But fastforwarding to now and watching the Ultimate Fighter, why do they still HATE each other?

[bonethug187]

Can someone explain to me their beef with each other?

I just watched Vendetta...and to be honest it's just been this year that I'm really starting to follow UFC (before I used to follow it on and off). At the end of the fight, Ken even raised Tito's hand, had a lil talk...etc-it looked to me that the spirit of "sportsmanship" was there.

But fastforwarding to now and watching the Ultimate Fighter, why do they still HATE each other?

it was after tito beat guy metzger, and he wore a 'gay metzer' ****rt or something that ripped the piss out of the lion's den, and he also showed the finger to the lion's den. ken gets up on the cage and demands respect and crap like that. then the police got involved to prevent a tit- lion's den brawl. escalated from there.

p.s. jesse is back, and using the words of tito ortiz, "he will be the last of the mohicans."

[DLFB]

Thanks for that clarification.

[joeblowgan]

Im glad Taits gone. I really didnt like that guy something about him. I actually thought he was going to the finals though because they did a little interview with him during the last UFC. Glad i was wrong. I havent seen this show yet though have to find a torrent. The guy they brought back suck to. I dont like that some of those guy have no respect for the house like breaking stuff that doesnt belong to them. He broke a vase of something then Noahs bb and hes like what early 20s grow the F up already. Anyway thanks for the info.

[Cocktail]

To be honest, I cant wait to see Tit and Ken fight again... hehe *Tito* ;) Tito busted his last fight.

I have been very inspired buy the ufc and the show and I really would love to get involved in mma now.

[bjjwraslter7]

Can someone explain to me their beef with each other?

I just watched Vendetta...and to be honest it's just been this year that I'm really starting to follow UFC (before I used to follow it on and off). At the end of the fight, Ken even raised Tito's hand, had a lil talk...etc-it looked to me that the spirit of "sportsmanship" was there.

But fastforwarding to now and watching the Ultimate Fighter, why do they still HATE each other?

Also you have to understand reality tv isn't exactly reality. I'm sure they were asked to get in eachothers facs and feel free to do stuff like that because it makes for better tv. The show probably makes their beef out to be a lot worse than it actualy is.

[Cocktail]

I agree. But it appears they really hate eachother. It might have started out as publicity but it appears as if it is much more now. My 2 cents.

[bjjwraslter7]

I agree. But it appears they really hate eachother. It might have started out as publicity but it appears as if it is much more now. My 2 cents.

I think it's the other way around...it started out as a grudge and was made into publicity. They are milking it to make the show more interesting.

[Cocktail]

I think it's the other way around...it started out as a grudge and was made into publicity. They are milking it to make the show more interesting.
Hmm Could be true.

[bjjwraslter7]

Off topic but I tapped a 210lb dude at a party sat night, I weigh about 152 at the moment. We were standing a lil more than arms length apart and I shot and got his leg and took him down. Then he started thrashing around and trying to get up but I was behind him so I got double underhooks and pulled him down and controled him til I could get my legs in. Applied the choke and he tapped like crazy. Took a total of maybe 20 seconds. We were just messin around so he was cool about it and was impressed. His friend taped it on his camera phone too and was showing everyone it was pretty funny.

[Cocktail]

Off topic but I tapped a 210lb dude at a party sat night, I weigh about 152 at the moment. We were standing a lil more than arms length apart and I shot and got his leg and took him down. Then he started thrashing around and trying to get up but I was behind him so I got double underhooks and pulled him down and controled him til I could get my legs in. Applied the choke and he tapped like crazy. Took a total of maybe 20 seconds. We were just messin around so he was cool about it and was impressed. His friend taped it on his camera phone too and was showing everyone it was pretty funny.
Niiiice bro. What Martial arts are you involved in? Im guessing BJJ?

[bjjwraslter7]

Niiiice bro. What Martial arts are you involved in? Im guessing BJJ?

Not really...I wrestled for 5 years and went to camps every summer that is my main strength. I did bjj for a few months but I had to stop because of an unexpected move. I made my sn when I was in it and didn't know I'd be stopping so soon. I picked up a lot of good stuff though, learned a lot of things to compliment my wrestling. In that particular situation I pretty much used only my wrestling up until I choked him. BJJ was a good experience cause I learned the proper way to do chokes and other subs, and did a lot of gaurd work and learned some sweeps and gaurd passes. I'm planning on doing mt and mma over the summer I have just been to busy to get started. I'll probably go to my first practice next week cause I'll be done with school then. Oh I've also had a little bit of boxing experience, no real training just throwin on the gloves and boxing with friends. Enough to not feel totaly out of place striking, but I'd still get owned by a real striker. Also been in a lot of street fights in which my wrestling was all I needed.

[Cocktail]

Not really...I wrestled for 5 years and went to camps every summer that is my main strength. I did bjj for a few months but I had to stop because of an unexpected move. I made my sn when I was in it and didn't know I'd be stopping so soon. I picked up a lot of good stuff though, learned a lot of things to compliment my wrestling. In that particular situation I pretty much used only my wrestling up until I choked him. BJJ was a good experience cause I learned the proper way to do chokes and other subs, and did a lot of gaurd work and learned some sweeps and gaurd passes. I'm planning on doing mt and mma over the summer I have just been to busy to get started. I'll probably go to my first practice next week cause I'll be done with school then. Oh I've also had a little bit of boxing experience, no real training just throwin on the gloves and boxing with friends. Enough to not feel totaly out of place striking, but I'd still get owned by a real striker. Also been in a lot of street fights in which my wrestling was all I needed.
Thats awsome bro. So what would you consider the best to know for street fights?

[bjjwraslter7]

Personaly I really think folkstyle/collegiate wrestling is the best for street fights. You will be unbelievable at shooting and getting takedowns if you wrestle, and being able to quickly take someone down without getting hit and keep them on their back is more valuable in a street fight than anything else imo. BJJ focuses more on ground fighting, gaurd work, subs ect. and not so much on shots and takedowns. BJJ will usualy own a wrestler because the wrestler will get the takedown but they don't know gaurdwork and subs and will get tapped. In a random street brawl though I doubt anyones gonna be pulling gaurd and working subs. You just want to quickly take them down and pound their face in. If your goal is to choke them to death or break their bones then I guess bjj would be better but most people don't want to take it that far.

[bjjwraslter7]

Thats awsome bro. So what would you consider the best to know for street fights?

lol I read your mind, I posted that before I even saw this question. Anyway I think it depends a lot on what kind of place your learning bjj at. The place I went to was more competition oriented as apposed to self defense which made a big difference. It was all gaurd work, rarely did takedowns, and everyone loved being on their back which is not where you want to be in a street fight. If you want to use bjj for street fighting/self defense then train vale tudo not bjj. Vale tudo is pretty much a form of mma, it's like bjj except with striking and gnp thrown in.

[Cocktail]

lol I read your mind, I posted that before I even saw this question. Anyway I think it depends a lot on what kind of place your learning bjj at. The place I went to was more competition oriented as apposed to self defense which made a big difference. It was all gaurd work, rarely did takedowns, and everyone loved being on their back which is not where you want to be in a street fight. If you want to use bjj for street fighting/self defense then train vale tudo not bjj. Vale tudo is pretty much a form of mma, it's like bjj except with striking and gnp thrown in.
Vale Tudo...hmm.. Is that common, where can i find a place like that?

[bjjwraslter7]

Vale Tudo...hmm.. Is that common, where can i find a place like that?

It's pretty common I think there are a few places around me that do it. Just search the internet for vale tudo or just mma they are pretty much the same thing vale tudo is just more bjj oriented.

[OKCDUDE]

im fixin to start some bjj I have a wrestle/boxing background I would really like to try some mma events in the next 1-2 years I would be a heavy weight im 285 6'4 alot on the heavyweight guys seem to be slow and slightly retarded. lol I think I would have a chance which is what everybody thinks when they start out I guess. I would love to fight tim silvia I cant stand that dude

[bjjwraslter7]

im fixin to start some bjj I have a wrestle/boxing background I would really like to try some mma events in the next 1-2 years I would be a heavy weight im 285 6'4 alot on the heavyweight guys seem to be slow and slightly retarded. lol I think I would have a chance which is what everybody thinks when they start out I guess. I would love to fight tim silvia I cant stand that dude

I think when you get up that high in weight guys are a lot more sloppy, slow, and don't have as good of technique. I think that's why arlovski is so dominant, he's a huge dude but he's got no fat and he can move like a smaller guy. If your that size and have decent technique and can move relativley quickly I would think you would do well in amateur fights at least, but you need a lot more experience before you think about going pro.

[Back Double Biceps18]

Hey guys, back from the long weekend. Ready to talk some more MMA/UFC! So just out of curiosity, who will be ordering the Royce vs. Hughes PPV this saturday? I definitly am, I have ordered the last 3 and love them. Had a buddy come over last time, and now a bunch of the guys are coming over since everyone is home from school finally. Should be a good night of beers and fighting.

Also anyone ever take anything along the lines of kick boxing or muay thai? I really wouldn't mind getting involved in one of those.

[-RiK-]

Hey guys, back from the long weekend. Ready to talk some more MMA/UFC! So just out of curiosity, who will be ordering the Royce vs. Hughes PPV this saturday? I definitly am, I have ordered the last 3 and love them. Had a buddy come over last time, and now a bunch of the guys are coming over since everyone is home from school finally. Should be a good night of beers and fighting.

Also anyone ever take anything along the lines of kick boxing or muay thai? I really wouldn't mind getting involved in one of those.

kickboxing u have to be incredibly fit to do, but u find if ur good at it u excel in MMA quickly (with having other foundation skills from other martial arts btw tho..) - look at brandon vera, hes excelled in the HW division quickly, and hes fighting @ UFC 60 against Alessio (?) Silva. I would start with something basica like judo or jiu jitsu, then build ur skills and move onto another martial art like boxing or wrestling/muay thai, go for it :D

[TN_WORKOUT]

Hey guys, back from the long weekend. Ready to talk some more MMA/UFC! So just out of curiosity, who will be ordering the Royce vs. Hughes PPV this saturday? I definitly am, I have ordered the last 3 and love them. Had a buddy come over last time, and now a bunch of the guys are coming over since everyone is home from school finally. Should be a good night of beers and fighting.

Also anyone ever take anything along the lines of kick boxing or muay thai? I really wouldn't mind getting involved in one of those.

Where do you live? I want to be at your house on Saturday. :-) I don't have the ability to order PPV at this time.

I'm sticking with Hughes.

Also, the Ultimate Fighter with Tait and Josh...I was not impressed. In the 205lb class, they'd get smoked by almost anybody I've ever seen.

[bjjwraslter7]

I'm predicting one of two things will happen. Either A. hughs will take him down at the beginning of each round, and it will be a battle of gracie trying to submit from his back or hughs trying to gnp or trying to submit from top... or B. Hughs will decide to take away gracies biggest advantage (bjj obviously) by keeping it on the feet and striking. I don't believe that gracie has the ability to take matt down because of matt's strength and phenominal wrestling, so if it goes to the ground matt's gonna be the one on top.

[OKCDUDE]

I can hardly wait its like christmas for me.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

im ordering it saturday

how much you guys think it will be???

ive got a wrestling back ground, working on boxing right now, and hope to do some form of mma sometime soon. dont know that i wanna do it professionally or ameturly tho....just wanna be able to kick ass in a fight if it happens

as far as gracie hughes....its tough. i think hughes will get gracie on the ground but gracie is so slick when on the ground. i think itl be gracie by submission

[bjjwraslter7]

im ordering it saturday

how much you guys think it will be???

ive got a wrestling back ground, working on boxing right now, and hope to do some form of mma sometime soon. dont know that i wanna do it professionally or ameturly tho....just wanna be able to kick ass in a fight if it happens

as far as gracie hughes....its tough. i think hughes will get gracie on the ground but gracie is so slick when on the ground. i think itl be gracie by submission

Wrestling and boxing is all you will need to kick ass if you get in a fight. Chances are whoever you get in a street brawl with isn't a trained mma fighter or anything. I've won all my fights with nothing but wrestling. It's incredibly easy to take down someone with no training, especialy if they are off balance from trying to hit you. Then you just sit on top of them and pound their face in because most people have absolutly no idea what to do on the ground.

[OKCDUDE]

Wrestling and boxing is all you will need to kick ass if you get in a fight. Chances are whoever you get in a street brawl with isn't a trained mma fighter or anything. I've won all my fights with nothing but wrestling. It's incredibly easy to take down someone with no training, especialy if they are off balance from trying to hit you. Then you just sit on top of them and pound their face in because most people have absolutly no idea what to do on the ground.
x2 smae background as me and I have been in many fights the average person doesnt have a clue what to do in a fight they just swing

[-RiK-]

id love to see gracie submit hughes, would also shed a little light on the WW div, i think st pierre will beat hughes anyway. ive already seen the pre fight talks, matt says he will try and KO royce, royce wants to in his own words "get him in a submission hold, choke him out and send him home"

[bjjwraslter7]

x2 smae background as me and I have been in many fights the average person doesnt have a clue what to do in a fight they just swing

That's what makes them so easy to take down. As soon as they start swinging lower your level and shoot they will practicaly take themselves down for you. That's why strikers have such a hard time against grapplers, as soon as they throw a punch the grappler goes right under it and gets there legs. My friends always use to argue with me about how wrestling isn't good for fighting because they would just keep backing up and swinging when I tried to grab them, and I kept trying to explain it didn't work like that. That's why I love that mma is so mainstream now, after seeing a few fights they have deffinitly changed their opinion.

[bjjwraslter7]

I don't like greco roman wrestling and judo that much because of that. They don't do any shooting which is the easiest way to take someone down in a fight. Even if you shoot and don't get the takedown you at least closed the gap and have your hands on them so you can work other stuff.

[Cocktail]

I need something to do this summer. So Im going to look for a place that offers MMA.

If you find a place that is mma what do they normally show you? BJJ and boxing?

[joelz54_99]

Its a hard one(Gracie v. Hughes) but I am going to say Hughes because of Gracie's age.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

I need something to do this summer. So Im going to look for a place that offers MMA.

If you find a place that is mma what do they normally show you? BJJ and boxing?
i dont think there are any mma places in my area. i wonder what the next best place to find would be.....jui jitzo, boxing, phillipean martial arts, ect

[bjjwraslter7]

I need something to do this summer. So Im going to look for a place that offers MMA.

If you find a place that is mma what do they normally show you? BJJ and boxing?

A mix of muay thai, boxing, wrestling, and bjj.

[Cocktail]

A mix of muay thai, boxing, wrestling, and bjj.
Awsome.

[bonethug187]

aah the wonders of british tv. free on bravo, albeit on sunday night instead of early early sunday morning which actually works out better for me, just as long as i stay clear of cocktail's thread.

[Cocktail]

aah the wonders of british tv. free on bravo, albeit on sunday night instead of early early sunday morning which actually works out better for me, just as long as i stay clear of cocktail's thread.

HAHAHA ;)

[Cocktail]

Everyone is getting quiet, thats not goood. ;)

Hows Everyone doing...Hows the workouts coming?

[Wheyhem.]

cant wait till sunday, i dont know why but i think royce is gonna get hughes back and make him tap like bj did and trig nearly did

[Back Double Biceps18]

Definitly getting excited. Also lets not forget that we got TUF on tonight. "Short Fuse" Ed Herman finally gets to show us all what he has against Danny. Should be an interesting fight and we'll see if Ed lives up to all his talking.

To answer a post a few posts up, the PPV is around $40.00, atleast thats what it was for the last three I ordered.

Cocktail that's awesome your going to get into some MMA this summer. I would seriously love to do some sort of kickboxing, but I'm cutting now and my energy is pretty low and with work starting in a week I don't think I'll have the time/energy for it. Maybe is September. Only 18lbs left on this cut so we'll see what happens haha.

TUF tonight though boys!

[Cocktail]

Definitly getting excited. Also lets not forget that we got TUF on tonight. "Short Fuse" Ed Herman finally gets to show us all what he has against Danny. Should be an interesting fight and we'll see if Ed lives up to all his talking.

To answer a post a few posts up, the PPV is around $40.00, atleast thats what it was for the last three I ordered.

Cocktail that's awesome your going to get into some MMA this summer. I would seriously love to do some sort of kickboxing, but I'm cutting now and my energy is pretty low and with work starting in a week I don't think I'll have the time/energy for it. Maybe is September. Only 18lbs left on this cut so we'll see what happens haha.

TUF tonight though boys!I feel ya brotha. I am cutting as well and I have about 20-30lbs to go. So its going to be hard but I figured that some mma would help me lose fat faster.

[bjjwraslter7]

You guys should go to the ufc website and click on payperview and vote on who you thinks gonna win the fights. Hughs is favored 60.5 to 39.5 against gracie. The funny one is jeremy horn, he's got 91.7% of the votes for his fight lol. Diego is also heavily favored at 88.5% of the votes.

[bjjwraslter7]

Most of the fights have may not be broadcast under them. That fukin pisses me off so much when I'm looking forward to see a fight and I pay money and then they don't show it. They should show every fight especialy when your paying 40 damn bucks to see them.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

You guys should go to the ufc website and click on payperview and vote on who you thinks gonna win the fights. Hughs is favored 60.5 to 39.5 against gracie. The funny one is jeremy horn, he's got 91.7% of the votes for his fight lol. Diego is also heavily favored at 88.5% of the votes.
the majority at sherdog has gracie winning

[bjjwraslter7]

the majority at sherdog has gracie winning

Doesn't suprise me they have different results, they are much more knowledgable about mma. Most of the people voting on the ufc site are probably just average people that like to watch the fights.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

I'm excited to see the fight between Ed and Danny tonight.

I've seen all the episodes thus far, and to my recollection they've barely shown Danny doing anything. That would lead me to believe that he's not that good, but we'll see.

[Cocktail]

I'm excited to see the fight between Ed and Danny tonight.

I've seen all the episodes thus far, and to my recollection they've barely shown Danny doing anything. That would lead me to believe that he's not that good, but we'll see.
Dito. I cannot wait.

[lolerskatez]

I'm excited to see the fight between Ed and Danny tonight.

I've seen all the episodes thus far, and to my recollection they've barely shown Danny doing anything. That would lead me to believe that he's not that good, but we'll see.

I think the reason they havent shown danny much also is because hes just a normal guy. Its the same with josh.

I reckon Ed will win, although it would be great to see him loose after boasting as to how great and good looking he is.

Out of hughes and gracie, im not sure, im really no expert in MMA. On that internet video of royce didnt look that great with his striking as various people have mentioned. Hopefully i can avoid seeing the results until sunday night when i can watch it.

[TN_WORKOUT]

Its a hard one(Gracie v. Hughes) but I am going to say Hughes because of Gracie's age.

I feel the same way.

Anybody know if Gracie has been competitively fighting in the past few years? We all know that Hughes has, but what about Gracie? When was his last "real" fight?

[bjjwraslter7]

I feel the same way.

Anybody know if Gracie has been competitively fighting in the past few years? We all know that Hughes has, but what about Gracie? When was his last "real" fight?

Yeah he has been fighting, I forget where.

[user8073964251]

he's been in Pride and some K1 I believe.



Royce is gonna bring it, for sure. It won't be the running around wild swinging crap... but he's been competative consistantly in the recent past. His skills combined with Hughes suseptability to submissions makes me think that Gracie will win this

[Immichaelski]

Im looking forward in seeing diego sanchez, hed kick all their asses.

[bjjwraslter7]

Im looking forward in seeing diego sanchez, hed kick all their asses.

I'm pretty sure hughs would dominate diego.

[user8073964251]

Diego is 16-0... he's solid.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

Yeah he has been fighting, I forget where.
k-1

2005 draw

2004 win

[TN_WORKOUT]

k-1

2005 draw

2004 win

Gracie had 2 fights in 2 years...no victories?

I'm sticking with Hughes. I'd love to watch it, but that won't be happening.

The good thing about Gracie's fighting style is that it would appear that age would have less of an effect than if he were a striker IMHO. This is gonna be a great one.

[OKCDUDE]

old "short fuse" didnt show me too me tonite. With all the bragging I really expected more out of him

[D33P THINK3R]

I can't wait for the Gracie Hughes fight. The Shamrock Ortiz fight's gonna be cool too. Isn't Hughes undefeated? I haven't watched the **** in forever.

[OKCDUDE]

nah hughes has lost 3 or 4 times at the start of his career. you can go to www.sherdog.com and check out any fighters stats

[devilscl]

I wonder if UFC now standing guys up alot quicker when there grappling will hurt gracie

[OKCDUDE]

I wonder if UFC now standing guys up alot quicker when there grappling will hurt gracie
I think they will let this fight go a little longer on the ground thatn other fights

[mezazvers]

old "short fuse" didnt show me too me tonite. With all the bragging I really expected more out of him

Yep, dana white pretty much summed it up. For all the **** he talked and all the hype, he was not impressive. He was fighting someone with pretty much zero ground game. His elbows were not doing any damage to danni, and he didnt come off as all that dominant. He got rocked by danni right in the begining, and i think that gave him a wake up call to take it slow and easy, so he doesnt get hurt and to make sure he won, even if it was by decision.

I didnt like ed for all the **** he talked, and was hoping danni would some how miraculously pull of a knock out right in the begigng, cuz on sherdog, there were rumors that in a TUF3 trailer, you could see danni walking aorund the ring kissing his hands like he won, but i guess that was some bull****.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

I can't wait for the Gracie Hughes fight. The Shamrock Ortiz fight's gonna be cool too. Isn't Hughes undefeated? I haven't watched the **** in forever.
wens the shamrock ortiz fight???

as far as the tuf tonight both of them fighters were unimpressive to me and ran their mouths too much

[OKCDUDE]

yea if these guys fought half as good as they talked they would be some bad fockers

[bjjwraslter7]

Diego is 16-0... he's solid.

So, he's only beaten a few good people and nobody anywhere near hughs level. I agree he is one of the top fighters in the division but I don't think he can touch hughs yet.

[TgNitro]

I don't know whether this was mentioned or not but a 24/7 MMA channel is comming to the US very very soon. It's called "The Fight Channel"!!!

[bjjwraslter7]

As for tuf last night...that guy is a joke. No real ultimate fighter would be celebrating the fact that he didn't tap in the first round from elbows and had to get submitted. He acted like that was some sort of victory. What a loser attitude.

Why the fuk was that guy even on the show to begin with. He had no grappling skills whatsoever. You can't win in mma if you can't grapple. I'm sure there are thousands of other fighters more skilled than him that would have loved to be given that opportunity.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

As other people have mentioned already, I wasn't all that impressed with Ed last night.

While going for the GNP, it didn't appear that any of his punches/elbows were even making decent contact, let alone hurting Danny at all. And this was against a guy with ZERO ground game. Against someone who knew how to work the guard, it would have been even worse.

And that armbar wasn't anything special......with the way Danny exposed his arm, pretty much any white belt could have gotten that.

And remember how Ed was talking about how he could take Tito? Please......

[bjjwraslter7]

As other people have mentioned already, I wasn't all that impressed with Ed last night.

While going for the GNP, it didn't appear that any of his punches/elbows were even making decent contact, let alone hurting Danny at all. And this was against a guy with ZERO ground game. Against someone who knew how to work the guard, it would have been even worse.

And that armbar wasn't anything special......with the way Danny exposed his arm, pretty much any white belt could have gotten that.

And remember how Ed was talking about how he could take Tito? Please......

Even if he hadn't handed him the armbar on a silver platter, he would have easily choked him out. I love guys like ed, they are on every show and they always get whats coming to them. Chris leben from season 1, Melvin from season 2, now ed is the jackass in 3. He will get put in his place and learn that he still has a lot of work to do just like the other guys did. I was real happy with how leben turned out I think losing a couple fights was the best thing that could have happened to him. It showed him he wasn't invincible, and caused him to completely change his attitude and lifestyle.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

"IM AN ULTIMATE FIGHTER"

lol what a douche

even ortiz was making fun of him

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Even if he hadn't handed him the armbar on a silver platter, he would have easily choked him out. I love guys like ed, they are on every show and they always get whats coming to them. Chris leben from season 1, Melvin from season 2, now ed is the jackass in 3. He will get put in his place and learn that he still has a lot of work to do just like the other guys did. I was real happy with how leben turned out I think losing a couple fights was the best thing that could have happened to him. It showed him he wasn't invincible, and caused him to completely change his attitude and lifestyle.

Guys like Ed and Leben have a lot of talent, but what's lacking is the mental game. Like you said, they need to be humbled before they can start to realize their full potential.

I don't like Leben as a person much, but he's one of my favorite fighters to watch.

[bjjwraslter7]

"IM AN ULTIMATE FIGHTER"

lol what a douche

even ortiz was making fun of him

I couldn't get over that. What kind of a loser are you to go out there and get severely owned, and then go around yelling that you are a ufc ultimate fighter. He's like "I think everyone has a lot more respect for me now, I think I went out there and proved that I am tough and that I can take his elbows even when other guys would have given up" Wow you went out there and got owned and didn't tap from weak elbows and punchs in the first 2 minutes of the fight good job. A real fighter would have been humiliated and pissed off for losing so fast, not prancing around talking about how good he did.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

"IM AN ULTIMATE FIGHTER"

lol what a douche

even ortiz was making fun of him

lol.....yea that was pretty lame.


I liked when Ed was making fun of Tito's small calves, and Tito goes "that's how I make 205."

As a guy with pretty small calves myself, I thought it was a good comeback :D

[CitadelArmyJAG]

Ughh..... I want results already...

[BringtheNoise]

Diego is 16-0... he's solid.


He's going to get his ass beat when he has to fight BJ.

[BringtheNoise]

I don't like Leben as a person much, but he's one of my favorite fighters to watch.


He's finally stepping up in competition. He's fight Anderson Silva at the next UFN.

[user8073964251]

"IM AN ULTIMATE FIGHTER"



That part seriously pissed me off. That Danny guy was such a douche. Did you hear his story "Yeah I dropped ______ pounds and then TKO'd the guy in like 11 seconds. I was pissed because it was such a quick fight."

I hate people like that. Danny and Mike Stine were the worst 2 fighters on the show, easily. Ed wasn't that impressive but he didn't have to be against Danny. Danny landed one punch and then cowered on the ground until his handed Ed his arm to end the fight. How could anyone be proud of that performance?

He'll never have a UFC fight. Fights on TUF don't even count as professional fights that go on the record. They are amatuer bouts. I'm wondering what Dana White was thinking by allowing Danny on the show. There HAS to be better fighters out there...

[the terminator]

Yep, dana white pretty much summed it up. For all the **** he talked and all the hype, he was not impressive. He was fighting someone with pretty much zero ground game. His elbows were not doing any damage to danni, and he didnt come off as all that dominant. He got rocked by danni right in the begining, and i think that gave him a wake up call to take it slow and easy, so he doesnt get hurt and to make sure he won, even if it was by decision.

I didnt like ed for all the **** he talked, and was hoping danni would some how miraculously pull of a knock out right in the begigng, cuz on sherdog, there were rumors that in a TUF3 trailer, you could see danni walking aorund the ring kissing his hands like he won, but i guess that was some bull****.

ya that ed guy is an idiot he was talking like he was gonna just wreck the guy and put his future opponents infear.what a crock.and the other **** talking he was doing was just pathetic,does he really think hes the toughest and best looking<hes an albino with red hair>guy on the show?what a tool.

[the terminator]

That part seriously pissed me off. That Danny guy was such a douche. Did you hear his story "Yeah I dropped ______ pounds and then TKO'd the guy in like 11 seconds. I was pissed because it was such a quick fight."

I hate people like that. Danny and Mike Stine were the worst 2 fighters on the show, easily. Ed wasn't that impressive but he didn't have to be against Danny. Danny landed one punch and then cowered on the ground until his handed Ed his arm to end the fight. How could anyone be proud of that performance?

He'll never have a UFC fight. Fights on TUF don't even count as professional fights that go on the record. They are amatuer bouts. I'm wondering what Dana White was thinking by allowing Danny on the show. There HAS to be better fighters out there...

well if there is better fighters out there,ufc sure cant find them.
and they have scrapped this idea of new fighters for next season.
there filming season 4 of tuf as we speak,and the fighters are guys who are already in ufc,but have never won a title,they will not have coaches of course,but there will be advisors like matt hughes,randy couture and some others.sounds like tuf 4 is gonna rock.
and when you look at it who has became a star or a title contender from this show,forrest,diego but thats it so far,so i think this new concept of having ufc guys who have never won a ufc title is way better.i guess the winners will get a title shot at the end of the season.it starts airing in august tuf-4 on tv.

ps my pick is gracie wins.and vera wins to,i think he has a bright future in ufc,and of course diego wins tonight to imo.
but i wish hughes would,i really like the former amatuer wrestlers.

[user8073964251]

TUF is sorta like American Idol, in the sense that as long as you make it to the top 5, your probably going to get a deal anyway. Fighters (Chris Leben, Jason Von Flue) just to name a few (hey, I ryhmed) still got UFC fights despite losing during the show.

I like the idea of a "tournament" show to see who can get a title shot. It's a nice concept.

[Cocktail]

WOW this thread has taken off haha. When I first started it I thought I would just get a few replys but holy **** :cool:

Im all for hughes tonight. Im so pissed because I am missing the fight. It was on at what time 10PM???



FVCCK Im so mad man, I want to see the damn fight :mad:



Anywaze, I am still tyring to find a good gym for mma and im trying to find some time because I have to work.

[Immichaelski]

I also missed the fights tonite. Can someone tell me who won them all? Diego woop ass in how many seconds? What about the main event?

[buresnipes]

I also missed the fights tonite. Can someone tell me who won them all? Diego woop ass in how many seconds? What about the main event?
that fights sucked but Diego did win.
Hughes won

[NumberTwentyTwo]

definately enjoyed tonights fights.

gracie / hughes- gained a lot of respect for gracie....realized hughes is truley a pimp

guirrard- my god this guy is quick as hell and powerful. he will dominate lightweight class...question, he is only 23 but yet has had liek 90 matches????

spencer fisher- fought a beginner that ducked into his flying knee, but it was still bad ass

sanchez / allesco- i actually enjoyed this match, lots of stradegy and defense. personally i thought it shoulda been a draw
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UFC 61

Ortiz / Shamrock 2 :eek:

[TN_WORKOUT]

well if there is better fighters out there,ufc sure cant find them.
and they have scrapped this idea of new fighters for next season.
there filming season 4 of tuf as we speak,and the fighters are guys who are already in ufc,but have never won a title,they will not have coaches of course,but there will be advisors like matt hughes,randy couture and some others.sounds like tuf 4 is gonna rock.
and when you look at it who has became a star or a title contender from this show,forrest,diego but thats it so far,so i think this new concept of having ufc guys who have never won a ufc title is way better.i guess the winners will get a title shot at the end of the season.it starts airing in august tuf-4 on tv.

ps my pick is gracie wins.and vera wins to,i think he has a bright future in ufc,and of course diego wins tonight to imo.
but i wish hughes would,i really like the former amatuer wrestlers.

I think the UFC folks would get a better lineup of contestants in The Ultimate Fighter show if they didn't require them to isolate themselves completely for a month (did anybody see that TV reality show "Big Brother"....it sucked). I say they should limit access to the outside, but complete isolation is silly. What's the point? I think they'd appeal to more fighters if they loosened up that policy. IMHO.

Regardless, I like the show and MMA fighting. Good stuff.

[1stBlood]

WOW this thread has taken off haha. When I first started it I thought I would just get a few replys but holy **** :cool:

Im all for hughes tonight. Im so pissed because I am missing the fight. It was on at what time 10PM???



FVCCK Im so mad man, I want to see the damn fight :mad:



Anywaze, I am still tyring to find a good gym for mma and im trying to find some time because I have to work.

One minute to go, Royce hasn't tried for the guard yet, seems strange, oh wow he rolls onto his belly exposing his back for no reason. Perfectly timed.

IT WAS FIXED!!! ROYCE THREW THE FIGHT.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

One minute to go, Royce hasn't tried for the guard yet, seems strange, oh wow he rolls onto his belly exposing his back for no reason. Perfectly timed.

IT WAS FIXED!!! ROYCE THREW THE FIGHT.
^^wow...i wish this guy would kill himself

[bonethug187]

wow, royce was absolutely dominated, but did anyone seriously give him a chance? i didnt. diego's "amazing take-downs" were useless, so he had to jump on the guy for 3 minutes, hats off to allesco for his impressive take-down defence and strength, although he punched like a pewsey for a boxer. allesio shouldve taken it with more combos.

endnote: im really really looking forward to hughes- gsp now!!!

[bjjwraslter7]

wow, royce was absolutely dominated, but did anyone seriously give him a chance? i didnt. diego's "amazing take-downs" were useless, so he had to jump on the guy for 3 minutes, hats off to allesco for his impressive take-down defence and strength, although he punched like a pewsey for a boxer. allesio shouldve taken it with more combos.

endnote: im really really looking forward to hughes- gsp now!!!

I think the only reason he didn't get taken down was because he wasn't throwing combos and big punchs. If he was he would have left himself open to diegos shot, so he just kept throwing quick punchs to keep him away. Pretty weak imo, diego was pressing the action and the other guy was basicaly running away the whole fight and getting some shots in here and there.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

wow, royce was absolutely dominated, but did anyone seriously give him a chance? i didnt. diego's "amazing take-downs" were useless, so he had to jump on the guy for 3 minutes, hats off to allesco for his impressive take-down defence and strength, although he punched like a pewsey for a boxer. allesio shouldve taken it with more combos.

endnote: im really really looking forward to hughes- gsp now!!!
i dont know who i want to win that one, i like them both :(

and i hate watching matched when im not rooting for someone

[1stBlood]

^^wow...i wish this guy would kill himself

It was WWE. One minute left and he promptly rolls to his belly for no reason.

[bjjwraslter7]

Is there a belt for lightweights? If so why doesn't anyone have it?

[basement iron]

wow, royce was absolutely dominated, but did anyone seriously give him a chance? i didnt. diego's "amazing take-downs" were useless, so he had to jump on the guy for 3 minutes, hats off to allesco for his impressive take-down defence and strength, although he punched like a pewsey for a boxer. allesio shouldve taken it with more combos.

endnote: im really really looking forward to hughes- gsp now!!!

The Hughes/St. Pierre fight is moths away and I can't wait. I think GSP is more well rounded on his feet and I can see him catching Hughes with a kick like in their first fight.

On the ground I give the edge to Hughes.

GSP is my most favorite fighter to watch and I would be happy if he won. He is the Randy Couture of the WW division. Seems to be a really level headed guy who has nothing bad to say about anyone.

Hughes is on a absolute roll dominating everyone and GSP has improved since their first fight.

I would never bet on this fight. It could go either way.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

The Hughes/St. Pierre fight is moths away and I can't wait. I think GSP is more well rounded on his feet and I can see him catching Hughes with a kick like in their first fight.

On the ground I give the edge to Hughes.

GSP is my most favorite fighter to watch and I would be happy if he won. He is the Randy Couture of the WW division. Seems to be a really level headed guy who has nothing bad to say about anyone.

Hughes is on a absolute roll dominating everyone and GSP has improved since their first fight.

I would never bet on this fight. It could go either way.my thoughts are almost exactly the same

im leaning for shamrock on july 8th

[bbuild528]

Is there a belt for lightweights? If so why doesn't anyone have it?

They just brought back the division. By the end of the year there will be a title fight most likely with sean sherk and someone else.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

They just brought back the division. By the end of the year there will be a title fight most likely with sean sherk and someone else.
guilliard or spencer.....

[basement iron]

With Melvin, Sherk, Stevenson moving down to LW this division will be as deep as WW.

There will be some good fights within the next year.

[bjjwraslter7]

They just brought back the division. By the end of the year there will be a title fight most likely with sean sherk and someone else.

Good, I always thought it was gay that if a 150lb guy wants to fight he would have to take out hughs to get a title.

[1stBlood]

With Melvin, Sherk, Stevenson moving down to LW this division will be as deep as WW.

There will be some good fights within the next year.

Not to throw it in your face. But guess what? I was right about the Hughes/Gracie fiasco.

Also notice how people don't want to watch a boring long jui-Jitsu match but Hollywood punches?

So they give the people what they want supposedly and say its real.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

If you watch the way Hughes was teeing off on the back of Gracie's head, you'd figure out pretty quickly that it wasn't fixed.

[1stBlood]

If you watch the way Hughes was teeing off on the back of Gracie's head, you'd figure out pretty quickly that it wasn't fixed.

After his debut in the UFC, Brandon "the Truth" Vera calls out the "Ice Man" mic in hand while still in the ring -- the "Ice Man" is conveniently sitting ringside.

Next week "the Natural", ("insert pro wrestling named UFC fighter"), and the "Ice Man" will jump Brandon "the Truth" Vera in the locker room with steel chairs.

How many UFC knock outs come to mind now where people barely connected.

I HEARD THE "ICE MAN" has had his fights scripted from a reliable source,

VERY RELIABLE SOURCE.

[BringtheNoise]

I think the only reason he didn't get taken down was because he wasn't throwing combos and big punchs. If he was he would have left himself open to diegos shot, so he just kept throwing quick punchs to keep him away. Pretty weak imo, diego was pressing the action and the other guy was basicaly running away the whole fight and getting some shots in here and there.


Diego lost that fight, period.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

After his debut in the UFC, Brandon "the Truth" Vera calls out the "Ice Man" mic in hand while still in the ring -- the "Ice Man" is conveniently sitting ringside.

Next week "the Natural", ("insert pro wrestling named UFC fighter"), and the "Ice Man" will jump Brandon "the Truth" Vera in the locker room with steel chairs.

How many UFC knock outs come to mind now where people barely connected.

I HEARD THE "ICE MAN" has had his fights scripted from a reliable source,

VERY RELIABLE SOURCE.

People call each other out all the time, it's no big deal.

I don't doubt that they go a little over the top sometimes for the sake of making it more interesting (so it's not unlike the WWF in that way).

But the fights aren't fixed.

[basement iron]

Diego lost that fight, period.

I was impressed how well Alessio was able to neutralize Diego's take downs but he must of have forgotten his offence at home that night.

And yes half way into the fight he pulled out the "twist your foot out of your opponents arms, turn around and run defense" to Diego.

It was just a strange fight, I really don't think any of them did anything to win that fight.

I don't see Diego defeating Karo at 62.

[basement iron]

People call each other out all the time, it's no big deal.

I don't doubt that they go a little over the top sometimes for the sake of making it more interesting (so it's not unlike the WWF in that way).

But the fights aren't fixed.

Dont waste your time he's a troll.

[bjjwraslter7]

After his debut in the UFC, Brandon "the Truth" Vera calls out the "Ice Man" mic in hand while still in the ring -- the "Ice Man" is conveniently sitting ringside.

Next week "the Natural", ("insert pro wrestling named UFC fighter"), and the "Ice Man" will jump Brandon "the Truth" Vera in the locker room with steel chairs.

How many UFC knock outs come to mind now where people barely connected.

I HEARD THE "ICE MAN" has had his fights scripted from a reliable source,

VERY RELIABLE SOURCE.

This guys is like dragondude all over again...in fact I wouldn't be suprised if it was someone he got to come on here and help him with his rediculous claims because they were both posting together in another ufc thread. In that one dragondude claimed to have been sitting ringside and that matt hughs was farting on gracie and they were so nasty that it threw gracies game off. They are just mma haters plain and simple, probably bitter because they got their ass kicked by a mma guy and their karate and tkd wasn't enough.

[bjjwraslter7]

See... nothing but rediculous mma hating claims from these two. They are probably the same person.


Matt Hughes won the match no question, but used some foul tactics to do so.

Was at ringside myself, and had several pals who were backstage afterwards. Matt Hughes farted twice in the match , no kidding and they were said to be absolutely foul nasty smells. The ref. John Mcarthy laughed about it backstage afterwards 'one of them was reeking , I heard one fart and smelled it as I got closer was like rotten eggs '. I was ringside and heard audible violent fart just before Royce turned over & exposed his back; later on video you can see the effects of both farts on Royce. The first one was silent but Royce winces a little in face as smell hits him, John Mcarthy is hit with it too, watch his face; the second audible one was just before Royce turneed over to his front not long before end of match.

Look I'm not saying this caused Royce to lose, or that Matt Hughes farted twice intentionally but still its pretty grim and foul tactics either way. With tension in body easy to let one go but the smell was meant to be absolutely foul, and average person could well mommentarily be affected with the smell even split second being affected, might give another advantage.

Whilst I was at ringside , a lady next to me after Matt Hughes audibly farted said 'that dirty bastard Hughes has done that before'. After the fight, Royces camp were adamant it was Hughes that broke wind not Royce; I was ringside hard to say with certainty but would say it appeared to be Hughes that did it.

[1stBlood]

People call each other out all the time, it's no big deal.

I don't doubt that they go a little over the top sometimes for the sake of making it more interesting (so it's not unlike the WWF in that way).

But the fights aren't fixed.

I was told this by a reliable source that Lidell / Ortiz was scripted for viewer enjoyment.

And for people that keep bad repping me and threatening to get me banned, for adding this information to this thread which it definitely pertains to,

I'm not doing anything against bulletin board rules and it makes me a little discouraged that UFC is no longer pure competition too. Sorry.

People cursing me out and calling me obscene names on my user CP is however against Bulletin Board names.

[bjjwraslter7]

I was told this by a reliable source that Lidell / Ortiz was scripted for viewer enjoyment.

And for people that keep bad repping me and threatening to get me banned, for adding this information to this thread which it definitely pertains to,

I'm not doing anything against bulletin board rules and it makes me a little discouraged that UFC is no longer pure competition too. Sorry.

People cursing me out and calling me obscene names on my user CP is however against Bulletin Board names.

Once again...rediculous claims in an attempt to disgrace mma.

[bjjwraslter7]

People call each other out all the time, it's no big deal.

I don't doubt that they go a little over the top sometimes for the sake of making it more interesting (so it's not unlike the WWF in that way).

But the fights aren't fixed.

I agree with this. Rivalries are going to happen regardless, it's the way sports are especially combat sports. Of course they are going to encourage these rivalries and maybe even make them out to be more than they really are, it makes for more entertaining shows, but anyone who watchs these fights should be able to see they aren't fixed.

[1stBlood]

This guys is like dragondude all over again...in fact I wouldn't be suprised if it was someone he got to come on here and help him with his rediculous claims because they were both posting together in another ufc thread. In that one dragondude claimed to have been sitting ringside and that matt hughs was farting on gracie and they were so nasty that it threw gracies game off. They are just mma haters plain and simple, probably bitter because they got their ass kicked by a mma guy and their karate and tkd wasn't enough.

You keep on saying that I don't know my martial arts falsely too.

Like I said before. If I honor myself I have no honor. So I don't shame myself by citing credentials.

All I can say is that I heard from a person in the know that UFC is rehearsed fights for viewer entertainment with maximum offense and no defense with Hollywood finishes.

[1stBlood]

Once again...rediculous claims in an attempt to disgrace mma.

So after they had those two fights that lasted too long to be entertaining,
"THEY STARTED PACKAGING NEAT COWBOY KNOCKOUTS FOR THE HOLLYWOOD ACCUSTOMED VIEWERS."

[bjjwraslter7]

All I can say is that I heard from a person in the know that UFC is rehearsed fights for viewer entertainment with maximum offense and no defense with Hollywood finishes.

All I can say is that I heard from a person in the know that 1stblood is a raging homosexual that is also into incest, beastiality, and necrophilia. Don't even try and deny it 1stblood because it is clearly true because someone in the know told me.

Fuking idiot...dragondude all over again.

[JAGERBOY]

The fight on UFC TUF was horrible last night, worst of the season. Tattoo looked like a drunken idiot throwing punches. And Matt needs to learns submissions he could have finished the fight like 5 times.

[Immichaelski]

True, however he dominated the fight. Mike was out of energy in 2 minutes, that was sick. He could have choked him 3 or 4 times, but it was only his third fight. If he reall was injured he may still be around, so far its billingsly and the tall lanky guy to me.

[bjjwraslter7]

That was probably the sloppiest mma fight I've ever seen. I guess that's what happens when a wrestler and a jiu jitsu fighter go toe to toe. I think tattoo guy did real bad, he should have listened to his corner more.

[Cocktail]

I think Matt has alot of potential and I think we will see him come close or even fight in the ufc. Him being deaf hurts him alot. He cannot even hear his corner.

[joelz54_99]

I think the tatooed guy was extremely out of shape. I agree that it was a sloppy fight and everyone saw there what a good bjj technique could do.

Also I heard a Brandon Vera comment earlier and I have to agree that he is going to be a great fighter. What happened to Jeff Monson?

[LatsMakeTheMan]

I said in the other thread.........a John Ruiz fight would be more exciting than the fight last night.

Hopefully Matt's arm will heal and he can wrestle again (if he's even coming back) because he's not skilled enough in boxing to fight that way for long. Against Bisping, he's going to get knocked out real quick if he keeps dropping his hands and walking forward like that.

Mike was a real disgrace, though......he looked like he wanted to give up 90% of the time.

[joelz54_99]

Mike was a real disgrace, though......he looked like he wanted to give up 90% of the time.
Why didnt he go for a takedown? :confused:

[bjjwraslter7]

Why didnt he go for a takedown? :confused:

Cause the other guy was a jiu jitsu fighter...he specializes in ground fighting so matt decided to take away his advantage and keep the fight standing. Matt is so strong and such a good wrestler that mike didn't have much hope of getting him on the ground.

Edit- Just realized you were talking about mike, he couldn't take matt down because of matt's strength and wrestling. It's extremely hard to take down a good wrestler. His best bet to win was to let matt take him down and get a sub from gaurd, but matt new that so he refused to go to the ground for long.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

Why didnt he go for a takedown? :confused:

Yea he didn't stand a chance in hell of taking Matt down. Really the only person who's going to take down an Olympic-calibur wrestler is another Olympic-calibur wrestler.

Mike tried to pull guard a bunch of times, but Matt would just back off and make him stand it back up.

[OKCDUDE]

dont have enough time to read the whole post.

I have found latley everybody who has talked **** ends up lookin like a butch he said he was a street fighter and has fought several guys at a time I call bs and will say it again if these guys fought half as good as the talk they would be bad mother fu*kers

[joelz54_99]

Ok. So MIKE didnt even try to take Matt (deaf guy) down because he knew he couldnt. Now that I think of it I have to give credit to Matt for thinking of that strategy.

**Sorry for the confusion

[user8073964251]

Matt had so many opportunities to end that fight... it's his own fault he got hurt. Anybody with even one day of BJJ training could've ended that fight.

Mike kept giving him his back and his arm. I was surprised that Matt didn't know ANY BJJ.

[Cocktail]

Matt had so many opportunities to end that fight... it's his own fault he got hurt. Anybody with even one day of BJJ training could've ended that fight.

Mike kept giving him his back and his arm. I was surprised that Matt didn't know ANY BJJ.
Matt could have choked mike out so many times. Mike kept showing his back and all matt would do was punch him instead of choking him out.

If matt learns some BJJ and some boxing he will be hard to stop.

[NumberTwentyTwo]

.........

[bjjwraslter7]

Yeah I was kind of suprised at his lack of ground skills too. Even if he's new at bjj, he's a wreslter and that is a position that wrestlers are in ALL THE TIME, you even start the second two periods in that position. In wrestling you win by pinning your opponent, so when it goes to the ground you immediatly roll over so your not on your back. So all of wrestlings ground game is in the exact position he was in a couple times, on the ground behind the guy. Wrestlers throw legs (hooks) too, so I don't understand why he couldn't control him better from that position. Even before I ever did bjj I was wrapping my legs around people and choking them out in a similar way because it's a common position in wrestling.

[JAGERBOY]

Matt could have choked mike out so many times. Mike kept showing his back and all matt would do was punch him instead of choking him out.

If matt learns some BJJ and some boxing he will be hard to stop.
Yo, thats one BJJ classe and you would know that....dont they train him in BJJ on the show? I think most people that haven't even trained in it but watch MMA would know to go for the choke on 4-5 different occasions during that fight...rediculous.

[bjjwraslter7]

Why aren't there better fighters on tuf? It seems like every season there are a few guys out of the group that suck ass, and a lot of mediocre guys. There have to be thousands of top notch fighters out there that would love the opportunity, so why pick guys like jason thacker, shonhauer, josh rafferty, the "IM A UFC ULTIMATE FIGHTER" guy ect.

[LatsMakeTheMan]

I was just thinking.....if Matt is gone permanently and they're bringing someone back, I kind of hope it's Noah.

Only because I want to see how bad they rip into him.

I know it's a stretch, but I figure it's got to be either him or Solomon. (Only because Solomon was a character.)

I guess they could possibly bring Tait back, too......because his fight was the most controversial, and I think he was a better fighter than the guy he lost to. (Forget what his name was).

[Thordic]

why would you hope its noah? you know he was beat my nickels before he came on the show right?

[1stBlood]

All I can say is that I heard from a person in the know that 1stblood is a raging homosexual that is also into incest, beastiality, and necrophilia. Don't even try and deny it 1stblood because it is clearly true because someone in the know told me.

Fuking idiot...dragondude all over again.

Do you have anything to offer the thread accept obscenity?

All I can say is that people dishonor themself by name calling.

The point is that I am supplying information that is valid and you aren't with the quote above.

MORE INFORMATION:

In Helio Gracie's system which the whole world studies now:

(compiled studies of no rules fights documenting every variable when a 130 lb. man fights a larger man that took a life time to compile)

#1.) bridge and rule
#2.) elbow escape
(it depends on opponents position which to use)

Hopefully this post keeps people from getting themselves beaten up, that is why I am posting (to assist people).

[1stBlood]

The Gracie / Shamrock fight that lasted 30 minutes scared off investors and they had to change it quick.

So they sacrificed the pure competition and made it scripted for marketing purposes.

I hate it too. Don't kill the messenger. That's all I am.

[bjjwraslter7]

The Gracie / Shamrock fight that lasted 30 minutes scared off investors and they had to change it quick.

So they sacrificed the pure competition and made it scripted for marketing purposes.

I hate it too. Don't kill the messenger. That's all I am.

Nobody gives a ****...nobody believes you...stop taking up space in our thread and wasting our time.

[1stBlood]

Nobody gives a ****...nobody believes you...stop taking up space in our thread and wasting our time.

Ask yourself a question: Do I know anyone personally yet who is involved?

UFC is fake and staged for viewer enjoyment.

[1stBlood]

Nobody gives a ****...nobody believes you...stop taking up space in our thread and wasting our time.

I don't like it any more than you. I was fooled for years.

[joelz54_99]

Anyone watching tonight. Tito's team looks strong. He has the best trainers which includes BJJ master Dean "The Boogie Man" Lister. The other trainer is also good when he talked to them and brought them together.

[bjjwraslter7]

Anyone watching tonight. Tito's team looks strong. He has the best trainers which includes BJJ master Dean "The Boogie Man" Lister. The other trainer is also good when he talked to them and brought them together.

Yeah but I'll probably have to record it, going to mt/mma practice, aka hell, tonight.

[Bloodwork]

I see Mike Bisping winning for the lhw and Kendal Groves for the mw.

[-RiK-]

I see Mike Bisping winning for the lhw and Kendal Groves for the mw.

yeh im thinking the same, i heard bisping say he was one of the top light heavyweights in europe.. i like him also, another english too :D

not to mention at UFC 59 before the tito-forrest fight - joe rogan interviewed bisping in the crowd (yeh it was after TUF3 had been filmed completely) and joe asked him how it felt to be in the UFC now and be in america, meaning he won the LHW :)

[Bloodwork]

Well Bisping might be in the finals but he hasnt won anything. We will know who wins on the live finale.

[-RiK-]

After his debut in the UFC, Brandon "the Truth" Vera calls out the "Ice Man" mic in hand while still in the ring -- the "Ice Man" is conveniently sitting ringside.

Next week "the Natural", ("insert pro wrestling named UFC fighter"), and the "Ice Man" will jump Brandon "the Truth" Vera in the locker room with steel chairs.

How many UFC knock outs come to mind now where people barely connected.

I HEARD THE "ICE MAN" has had his fights scripted from a reliable source,

VERY RELIABLE SOURCE.

i believe u heard it, i just question ur source...

i know for a fact its not scripted.. for example:
Chuck Liddel was the nr.1 contender for about two years in the LHW division, and it got to where he wanted to fight tito for the belt and tito was 'ducking' him, tito often hid behind TV franchise deals and appearances. anyway, tito fought ken shamrock @ UFC 40, and then to MAKE tito face chuck, they faced off chuck and randy for the interim LHW title @ UFC 43 (thinking if chuck won he'd have overcome another obsticle giving him an edge and he'd HAVE to fight tito).

well, this didnt happen as we know and randy beat chuck to quite a few ppls suprise, this postponed the fight between chuck/tito until UFC 47. this was after randy beat tito at UFC 44 to unify the LHW title. so if randy was out of the equation we would have seen tito/chuck a bit sooner. but hey the randy/tito/chuck/vitor belfort LHW era that year was very good :)

btw this was pointed out by dana white in an interview a while back, he wanted to push tito into a situation where he HAD to face chuck - but because of randy beating chuck this didnt happen. no scripts i believe ;)

[bjjwraslter7]

i believe u heard it, i just question ur source...

i know for a fact its not scripted.. for example:
Chuck Liddel was the nr.1 contender for about two years in the LHW division, and it got to where he wanted to fight tito for the belt and tito was 'ducking' him, tito often hid behind TV franchise deals and appearances. anyway, tito fought ken shamrock @ UFC 40, and then to MAKE tito face chuck, they faced off chuck and randy for the interim LHW title @ UFC 43 (thinking if chuck won he'd have overcome another obsticle giving him an edge and he'd HAVE to fight tito).

well, this didnt happen as we know and randy beat chuck to quite a few ppls suprise, this postponed the fight between chuck/tito until UFC 47. this was after randy beat tito at UFC 44 to unify the LHW title. so if randy was out of the equation we would have seen tito/chuck a bit sooner. but hey the randy/tito/chuck/vitor belfort LHW era that year was very good :)

btw this was pointed out by dana white in an interview a while back, he wanted to push tito into a situation where he HAD to face chuck - but because of randy beating chuck this didnt happen. no scripts i believe ;)

Don't even waste your time with him he's a troll, he knows it's not fixed.

[Thordic]

I think kendall grove is going to be huge in the ufc

[flapjackson]

not to mention at UFC 59 before the tito-forrest fight - joe rogan interviewed bisping in the crowd (yeh it was after TUF3 had been filmed completely) and joe asked him how it felt to be in the UFC now and be in america, meaning he won the LHW :)
nope not true.
the final fight is a live event, it is on june 24th.

[Bloodwork]

The main even for the finale is Kenny "Kenflo" Florian vs Sam "Hands of stone" Stout. Who are you guys picking? I think its a very tough fight for both guys but ill say Stout by tko 2nd round

[bjjwraslter7]

Ok how come noones posting about how much those 2 guys were bitchs last night when they turned down a semi final fight handed to them on a silver platter?

[SHOWTIME]

probably because everyone is embarrassed at how weak that tait was mentally that little baby its a chance to be in the UFC plus sponsors Wimps I like the show but it sucks with all the quitters

[nycflip220]

anyone just watched UFC Unleased just now?

I feel bad for the Tank Abbott...back since 5 years ago, came out aggressive, and lost in 45secs..

[bjjwraslter7]

anyone just watched UFC Unleased just now?

I feel bad for the Tank Abbott...back since 5 years ago, came out aggressive, and lost in 45secs..

He is a moron and deserved to lose. I like tank but his stupidity pissed me off. He should never have stayed on the ground it was stupid of him to do that. When you have a guy like tank who has very little technique and is more just a brawler relying on power and aggression, and put him against an extremely technical bjj expert what do you expect to happen when it goes to the ground. Tank was able to stop his takedowns, so the fight should have stayed on the feet where tank would have a good chance of winning. When he got on top of mir and tried to fight him on the ground it was just a matter of time before he got submitted. Tank just can't hang anymore, the days of brawling is over it's all technique now.

[joelz54_99]

I wasnt too impressed with Kendal with his last fight but I guess he got lucky that other guy got hurt.
I think the other guys didnt want to come back into the competition because they were probably offered a deal and were content with it.

[bjjwraslter7]

Was anyone else really suprised and pissed that nobody bothered to tell matt that he was out due to injury? It really sucked that he had to find out from his teamates like that. When matt's like "wait..I'm fighting in the semifinals...I won I'm fighting" the look on his teamates faces when they realized nobody told him he wasn't fighting, and the look on matts face when they told him was pretty sad. I'd be devestated if I was in his situation and made it that far and then out of nowhere everyones just like no dude ur out, that really pissed me off.

[Cocktail]

sup bros been awhile since I have beem on..I cant believe we are going to see that little fat dude in the semis. wtf is with that lol.

[the terminator]

I see Mike Bisping winning for the lhw and Kendal Groves for the mw.

theres a shocker! jk.
of course there gonna win.

[the terminator]

probably because everyone is embarrassed at how weak that tait was mentally that little baby its a chance to be in the UFC plus sponsors Wimps I like the show but it sucks with all the quitters

exactly tait had a close fight and actually deserved a second chance.
and then he turns it down like wtf dude your a fighter.....i thought.

[the terminator]

ya matt got screwed,i think they didnt tell him he couldnt fight for ratings on tv.
why else wouldnt they give the guy more notice?
matt could have won his class.
but the bigger question will any of these guys hold a title in the ufc?
bisping maybe.
only tuf guys to come close to a title are forrest and diego thats it.
i'm glad the tuf format is changing next year.

[hittman]

i like bisping, and hope he goes far in the UFC.

[lolerskatez]

but the bigger question will any of these guys hold a title in the ufc?
bisping maybe.
only tuf guys to come close to a title are forrest and diego thats it.
i'm glad the tuf format is changing next year.

Diego is good (although i dont particularly like him), but i dont think hes near to a WW title because Penn/GSP and Hughes are in the way. Can he beat them? I doubt it....

Technically the nearest would be Florian? Hes 2 fights away from the LW belt?

Plus Leben, hes beaten everything theyve put infront of him, if he can continue to do so until Franklin's hand is better he could face a title shot. But first he has to beat Anderson Silva.

[bjjwraslter7]

Holy crap that was an ausome finaly. I was really impressed with kendal he's come a long way and his ground game looks really solid. I think training with joe stevenson deffinitly helped him win that fight.

[joelz54_99]

Bisping will beat the chubby guy. Kendal will demolish Ed badly. Ed isnt that good.

Overall I have really enjoyed watching the ufc particularly because of the British guys that came over. Those guys are a riot and fun to watch.

[bjjwraslter7]

Bisping will beat the chubby guy. Kendal will demolish Ed badly. Ed isnt that good.

Overall I have really enjoyed watching the ufc particularly because of the British guys that came over. Those guys are a riot and fun to watch.

You know the fights already happened right?

[ericvirgo]

Yeah. . . TUF fights worked out how I thought they would. I thought the middle fight was much better than the heavy's and even though I like Bisping I think he's got a hard road ahead of him now that the UFC has some legitimate LHW contenders. . .I think Bonnar or Griffin would be a good next fight for him although honestly I think either would beat him.

[joelz54_99]

You know the fights already happened right?
WTF, no I thought it was a live Finale? Dont spoil.

[bjjwraslter7]

WTF, no I thought it was a live Finale? Dont spoil.

It was a live finale, it happened on saturday though. I suggest not reading this thread anymore if you don't want it to be spoiled.

[JAGERBOY]

It was a live finale, it happened on saturday though. I suggest not reading this thread anymore if you don't want it to be spoiled.
My thoughts:

-Kendall will be really good, knew he'd win even though it was close
-Ed Herman will be good, just not exciting
-Mike Bisping will be good, needs a little work...
-**** that blue hair guy always talking about wanting to kill people in his interviews...
-I didnt know Kenny Florian was so good
-Jesse needs to hang up his MMA towel for another year and just train his ass off
-Matt, still not sure about him, he wins, but nothing impressive. Maybe when he becomes more of an MMA fighter than just a wrestler...

[bjjwraslter7]

My thoughts:

-Kendall will be really good, knew he'd win even though it was close
-Ed Herman will be good, just not exciting
-Mike Bisping will be good, needs a little work...
-**** that blue hair guy always talking about wanting to kill people in his interviews...
-I didnt know Kenny Florian was so good
-Jesse needs to hang up his MMA towel for another year and just train his ass off
-Matt, still not sure about him, he wins, but nothing impressive. Maybe when he becomes more of an MMA fighter than just a wrestler...

I think kenny florians weakness before was his lack of size and strength, now that he's all the way down to 155 he should be one of the top guys.

[Kovalchuk]

* spoiler i suppose *








Herman got robbed. I am seriously pissed, he was way more of the aggressor throughout, got out of everything kendall threw at him and beat him pretty damn good. He had like 12 awesome takedowns, threw kendall around, slammed him everywhere. Kendall had about 1 minute of dominaion in the entire 15, some pretty tight triangles and a solid choke at the end. But I mean come on, I really thought ED had at least 2 of the rounds easily.

I guess in the end it didnt matter cuz everyone is getting paid the 6 figures, but I really feel like Kendall got the win for having done more cardio during his fight prep. It wasn't a blatantly wrong result, but it was wrong nonetheless.

what do you guys think?

[RipThaJacka90]

* spoiler i suppose *








Herman got robbed. I am seriously pissed, he was way more of the aggressor throughout, got out of everything kendall threw at him and beat him pretty damn good. He had like 12 awesome takedowns, threw kendall around, slammed him everywhere. Kendall had about 1 minute of dominaion in the entire 15, some pretty tight triangles and a solid choke at the end. But I mean come on, I really thought ED had at least 2 of the rounds easily.

I guess in the end it didnt matter cuz everyone is getting paid the 6 figures, but I really feel like Kendall got the win for having done more cardio during his fight prep. It wasn't a blatantly wrong result, but it was wrong nonetheless.

what do you guys think?

I think it was close, but they gave it to Kendall because of the RNC and the triangles. I think it could have gone either way.

Bisping needs to get stronger if he really wants to challenge certain people in his division.

[bjjwraslter7]

Was just looking at ufc webpage and clicked on kristian. It says his strength is "metaphyscial armbar" and his favorite technique is "metaphysical armbar"

WTF is a metaphyscial armbar??

[bjjwraslter7]

Good fights last night, was real impressed with jorges stand up wish he won. Rashad also did an ausome job I loved the slams. Too bad leben got ktfo, he deffinitly took silva too lightly.

[Deathstroke]

Good fights last night, was real impressed with jorges stand up wish he won. Rashad also did an ausome job I loved the slams. Too bad leben got ktfo, he deffinitly took silva too lightly.
I agree. He thought that he could take his strikes then land some of his own as he's so used to doing. He even said that he would eat Silva's offense and keep coming at him. He quickly found out that a punch from Silva is different than a punch from Rivera or Cote (still props to him for walking through Cote's before). He should have tried for the takedown instead he tried to trade with him even after he was put down the first time.

The other fights were good. I also liked what Joe Rogan had to say about the judges last night.

[muirsy88]

I was DELIGHTED to see that mouthy, cocky, overrated piece of **** Chris Leben get owned by Silva.

I find it funny that all the TUF winners (minus Forrest) are put up against complete bums, so that they win and demontrate how great they are. Then when Leben fights a 'middle of the pack' Pride Fighter he gets completely anhiliated...I was laughing out loud during the entire beating

"I'm gonna break his jaw..send ihim to the hospital" - Chris Leben, pre-fight.

Hahah...

[bjjwraslter7]

I was DELIGHTED to see that mouthy, cocky, overrated piece of **** Chris Leben get owned by Silva.

I find it funny that all the TUF winners (minus Forrest) are put up against complete bums, so that they win and demontrate how great they are. Then when Leben fights a 'middle of the pack' Pride Fighter he gets completely anhiliated...I was laughing out loud during the entire beating

"I'm gonna break his jaw..send ihim to the hospital" - Chris Leben, pre-fight.

Hahah...

I wouldn't say there put against bums...maybe to start off but what do you expect isn't everyone put against easier opponents in their ufc debut? I think a few of the other guys have had decent fights, like swick vs riggs. Diego has faught some good guys too. I think diego could go a long way, but I doubt he's ready for hughs yet.

[muirsy88]

I wouldn't say there put against bums...maybe to start off but what do you expect isn't everyone put against easier opponents in their ufc debut? I think a few of the other guys have had decent fights, like swick vs riggs. Diego has faught some good guys too. I think diego could go a long way, but I doubt he's ready for hughs yet.

I completely disagree with respect to Diego. He hasn't had a real fight yet - http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=4824

[Bloodwork]

Middle of the pack pride fighter? Maybe you should know that Anderson is ranked top 5 in the world.

[muirsy88]

Middle of the pack pride fighter? Maybe you should know that Anderson is ranked top 5 in the world.

Haha...absolutely not dude. He's a great fighter but no close to top 5 in the world. If he was, he wouldnt be in the UFC now.

[bjjwraslter7]

I completely disagree with respect to Diego. He hasn't had a real fight yet - http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=4824

WTF are you talking about??? According to that he KO'd jesus!

jk...

Ok he's beat some decent fighters though. I think diaz is ok.