**** Hit the Fan Kit

[Deadlifta]

Ok guys, I have been working my ass off lately and have come into some extra
$$$. I am in the process of putting together a master preparedness list of items to buy, knowledge to have etc. I figured you guys could critique/add to the list I have put together.

Food: 150lbs rice, 150 cans tuna, 150 cans chicken, preserved apples/peaches, protein powder, soda, water.

Water: I would love to have a well or a massive water-container, but that is an impossibility until I move. I do have a big ass pool and could convert it into drinking water with a filter. Is there a way to purify pool water/chlorine without using up a filter?

Water Filter: http://www.survivalequipment.net/msrlongevity.html I would buy this and 3 of the backup filters.

Fire: http://www.survivalequipment.net/firestarters.html I would buy 2 of the Brunton Firelights and a good amount of replacement fuel. I would also get 2 of the magnesium bars and 2 blastmatch firestarters. I'm not 100 percent clear as to how the magnesium bar works. Do you simply shave off flecks and use them for ignition?

Compass: http://www.cammenga.com/cart/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=47

Flashlight: Id get two of these http://www.appliedinnotech.com/nightstar.php

Crank Radio: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000083CUA/103-0949177-3415051?v=glance&n=172282

First Aid: I would have a good amount of the following... gauze pads of various sizes, cpr mouthpiece, tongue depressors, band aids, tweezers, whistle, stethoscope, thermometer, ace bandages, pain stoppers, asprin, non-asprin, ice packs, bloodstoppers, latex gloves, solar blankets, sterile eye patches, ammonia inhalent (what exactly is this used for?), anti-microbial wipes, alcohol preps, wire splints, atibiotic ointment, idione prep pads, gauze rolls, adhesive tape, first aid book, burn free, scissors, towlettes.

Axe: XL Gerber http://www.survivalequipment.net/axes.html

Saw: Gerber Gator Saw III http://www.survivalequipment.net/axes.html

Victonorinox Swisstool: http://www.multitoolsonline.com/viswrs.html

Boots: Matterhorn Bootzilla. Expensive as all hell, but good lord they offer a lot of protection. Cheaper/better boots would be great if anyone knows of em.

http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4c.tam?M5COPY.ctx=23958

Gloves: This is where I am a little stuck. I assume at the most I would need wet resistant gloves, heavy work gloves, and gloves able to be worn when shooting (if necessary)

If anyone wants to let me know of any, I would appreciate it.

I know I will need clothing that is durable as hell, so any pants, shirts, jackets that have a ****load of pockets and can hold up in outdoor conditions will do. I dont really know what to buy or where to buy it, but I assume army surplus stores and such would have something. If anyone knows a good clothing line that makes very durable stuff.

A good duffle or big ass backpack that can carry clothes, ammo, med ****, food, etc. So far I have looked at this and a few others. A bit pricy, but if they are worth it then whatever. If anyone knows of a better/cheaper example, please post it. http://www.survivalequipment.net/rokkpacks.html The 140 dollar one at the bottom.

Shovel: SPetsnaz fighting/utility shovel. http://www.bestglide.com/SF_Shovel_Info.html

Dagger: http://www.1sks.com/store/lewis-international-sykes-fairbairn-british-commando-dagger.html

I have a big ass bowie knife as well, but would prolly get a machete for brush clearing.

[Deadlifta]

I am gonna buy a $800 semiauto 12 gauge (mossberg I think) that isnt gas powered, but utilizes the inertia from the blowback to chamber the next round.

Revolvers: http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188612370.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188636901.html (for CC, although I think since CC is so hard to get and because of hefty legal ramifications, I might opt for a really nice taser)


Rifle: http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397011024.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/048702149009.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/037084427706.html

Any essential weapon suggestions are fine. I also would need a good .22, but am uninformed on them and will leave it up to someone more knowledgeable.

[Paul187]

Nice!! Soon as I get out of the uni I plan to put together SHTF supplies. My friends think Im paranoid when I talk about it; however, if anything ever happens we all know who will be standing there with their hand out.

Anyways, regarding the magnesium starter thing, I have one of those. With mine, Id make a little pile of tiny dry twigs and leaves, and then scrape a little pile of magnesium on it. Then I flip it around to the side with the flint and spark the magnesium until it ignites. Magnesium burns around 2000 degrees C so its really helpful, especially with damp twigs and leaves

[Deadlifta]

Cool, thanks for the reply. Also, do you know of any places that sell water in massive quantities for cheap? But ya, I would much rather have this stuff and never use it than not have it and need it. Plus with the days we live in now... its just common sense. Look at that screwjob Katrina. NO ONE WILL COME TO HELP YOU (or their "help" wont be something I want).

[Narsis]

Anyways, regarding the magnesium starter thing, I have one of those. With mine, Id make a little pile of tiny dry twigs and leaves, and then scrape a little pile of magnesium on it. Then I flip it around to the side with the flint and spark the magnesium until it ignites. Magnesium burns around 2000 degrees C so its really helpful, especially with damp twigs and leaves

Use a saw blade when use the striker this way you will scrap some magnesium off as you strike. It will send larger sparks into your pile of twigs making it easier to start the fire.

As for the water, go to one of those water purifing places buy a couple 5 gallon jugs and either dump them into a larger barrel at home and keep refilling the smaller ones for a $1.50 or just keep buying 5 gallon jugs.

[AlbinoGerbil]

I don't have time to post my list now but I have been working on putting together something along those lines as well. I will try to make mine more portable, something that will fit on my back.
I used to have a Becker Patrol Pack as seen here:
http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976242240-1.jpg
But now I have a London Bridge pack:
http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/e0/34/5c_1.JPG
http://i21.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/da/18/a5_1.JPG

Unless the dagger is for self defense you might want to look at something with a more practical design.

[NuggzTheNinja]

I am gonna buy a $800 semiauto 12 gauge (mossberg I think) that isnt gas powered, but utilizes the inertia from the blowback to chamber the next round.

Revolvers: http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188612370.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188636901.html (for CC, although I think since CC is so hard to get and because of hefty legal ramifications, I might opt for a really nice taser)


Rifle: http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397011024.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/048702149009.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/037084427706.html

Any essential weapon suggestions are fine. I also would need a good .22, but am uninformed on them and will leave it up to someone more knowledgeable.

As far as weapons go, IMO, you only need two:

A .22 for small game.

A larger rifle (.223, 7.62x39 or .308) for large game.


Sure, .243 is cool and all, but you want a rifle for which parts are readily available, so either an AR15 or M1a, or even an AK would do just fine, and you want it to shoot ammo that is common as well.

BTW: use iodine to purify water. It won't remove chemical contaminants, but it'll kill any microorganisms in there.

Fill up a Nalgene bottle, add a few drops of iodine, invert the bottle and unscrew the lid just enough so that some starts dripping out (this purifies water present on the threads), then screw the lid back on and wait a few seconds before drinking.

My next order for SHTF is 5 romanian AK's and 5 extra mags for each AK.

It's always good to have a few militia-worthy pieces on hand for friends and family. If SHTF, nobody's going anywhere without a serious weapon. And handguns aren't serious weapons. ;)

[AlbinoGerbil]

This is by no means a complete or definitive list merely what I can remember off the top of my head. It's been some time since I have revised it but now that I will have more time it is on my 'To Do' list.

100 oz. Camelback Big Mouth bladder with tube cover and on/off valve as well as valve protection cover
I also have a drinking tube filter not sure of the brand
Water Purification Tablets
Disposable heat packs
Mini First Aid Kit(various trauma items including field dressings, tourniquets, SAM splints, tape, 2x2/4x4's, kerlex, Ace Wraps(2", 4" and 6") disposable gloves, trauma shears, visine, eye patches, 2 full 500 ml bags of Normal Saline along with 18g IV catheter needles, tubing and accessories along with OTC meds of varying sorts.)
6 Snares of various sizes, wrapped in a burn cloth and stored in a bag.6 Powerbars, 4 Harvest bars
3 dehydrated entrees
Camp stove with small fuel bottle in a Tactical Tailor pouch
Various soup mixes(dehydrated)
Hot Chocolate mix
Canteen cup and small stove pan
Princeton Tech Mini 4AAA flashlight with 550 cord lanyard
E1e Surefire Flashlight with KL1 LED conversion head

Compass
Gerber Fire Starter
2 easy access field dressings with Cravats to make splints or dress wounds(can you tell I think like a medic?) :D
2 Bic lighters
100 feet parachute cord (2 50 ft. lengths)
Small homemade roll of about 50ft of Duct tape(industrial grade)
A ziploc bag full of Zip ties (large black and white ones)
Small ziplock bag with various hard candies (lifesavers, jolly ranchers, etc...)
Large Pocket
Small fishing kit
Backup SwissTool
4 packs of MRE crackers along with some Jelly packs and Cheese spread packs
A Sony Shortwave radio (2 AA batts)
Spare AAA and AA batteries
I also have a few more lighters, a couple of Chem light sticks (white, green, red), 2 photon flashlights and a back up Z2 surefire with KL3 LED conversion head.
Other items of which I can't remember right now....

[Deadlifta]

If anyone wants to address the issues about clothing, gloves, etc it would help. I am a little stuck on that. I saw this gear (5.11 tactical), but I dont want to just fork out cash for overpiced stuff when similar results can be achieved for less.

Also, as far as weapons go... In the end I would want a plinker/small game rifle, a longish range revolver (44 or 45 maybe), a snubnose .357, the semi-auto shotty, a semi-auto rifle like an AK, a large rifle for big game (m14 perhaps or M1a I am leaning toward), and of course a barrett .50 cal in my dreams. If anyone wants to add/comment on this, go ahead. I think optimally I would want my SHTF kit to last 6 months or so.

How long does water keep if it is in an airtight container, and what other foods are good to stock up on?

[RideFive]

This is an excellent thread idea. Good call. I'm saving this thread in a word doc. I'll be adding to my supplies.

[Hartski]

While a bag of rice and cans of tuna is a good idea, you're gonna need more than that to survive. You need food that is more calorically dense, like SPAM, Cans of beef stew, ect. It's always a good Idea to have a few cases of MRE's and survival food on hand, since they are lighter than canned food and more easily transported if you have to bug out.


Clothes-Check out www.uscav.com for all millitary style clothing and gear.
But for civillian clothes, Carhart makes the the most rugged and durable stuff.

Gloves, you'll want all sorts. Waterproof neoprene gloves, heavy winter gloves, extreme duty work gloves, and a pair of tactical gloves.

These are good tactical gloves- http://www.blackhawk.com/product_detail.asp?product_id=4370&d=


Don't forget a good pair of binoculars.

[NuggzTheNinja]

If anyone wants to address the issues about clothing, gloves, etc it would help. I am a little stuck on that. I saw this gear (5.11 tactical), but I dont want to just fork out cash for overpiced stuff when similar results can be achieved for less.

Also, as far as weapons go... In the end I would want a plinker/small game rifle, a longish range revolver (44 or 45 maybe), a snubnose .357, the semi-auto shotty, a semi-auto rifle like an AK, a large rifle for big game (m14 perhaps or M1a I am leaning toward), and of course a barrett .50 cal in my dreams. If anyone wants to add/comment on this, go ahead. I think optimally I would want my SHTF kit to last 6 months or so.

How long does water keep if it is in an airtight container, and what other foods are good to stock up on?

Water? It's water bro, a while. :D

5.11 gear is nice for a couple reasons.

First, it's well constructed and holds stuff, obviously good. Plus, it's not that expensive. But the reason I think it's *really* good, is because you can get away with wearing their vest in public.

I have a Blackhawk vest w/ 6 mag pouches and blah blah blah blah, but I could never sport it in public. A 5.11 though? Definately.


If 5.11 made a vest that accepted rifle plates, I'd totally buy it.

[Hartski]

Nuggz brings up a good point. Urban and Rural SHTF kits will be totally different.

I'd need a treestand and a bow more than a rifle plate. :D

[Deadlifta]

For immediate purposes, this kit would be for an urban environment (Bay Area). This would be in case of a quake, electricity failure, zombies, etc. However, I plan on moving to a rural location ASAP. 1 more year of college and then I will have wiggle room.

Also Nuggz, I was just asking because I had heard water lasts anywhere from 6 months-2 years. Also, I heard of certain techniques involving pressure/filters that allowed it to keep much longer.


God I wanna get out of here.

[redhairymonkey4]

Since I'm in college, I get a lot of pressure from friends to join certain frats. I just tell them I rather spend the money of guns(which is when they usually decide to leave me alone). Of course when the human population surpasses its carrying capacity then I guess they can eat their greek bothers for food.

[NuggzTheNinja]

For immediate purposes, this kit would be for an urban environment (Bay Area). This would be in case of a quake, electricity failure, zombies, etc. However, I plan on moving to a rural location ASAP. 1 more year of college and then I will have wiggle room.

Also Nuggz, I was just asking because I had heard water lasts anywhere from 6 months-2 years. Also, I heard of certain techniques involving pressure/filters that allowed it to keep much longer.


God I wanna get out of here.

If you water is relatively clean, there's no reason why it would go bad.

I could see bacteria in the water proliferating, sure, but the water itself would be fine. At that point, you'd just need to purify it again with iodine.

Water, at equilibrium, forms equal quantities of hydronium and hydroxide ions, which all go back into solution as h20 itself, so water is 100% stable mate.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Since I'm in college, I get a lot of pressure from friends to join certain frats. I just tell them I rather spend the money of guns(which is when they usually decide to leave me alone). Of course when the human population surpasses its carrying capacity then I guess they can eat their greek bothers for food.

LMAO!

:D

[Clean_Cut]

Man, you guys are paranoid androids. Quite insane in the membrane.

[Hartski]

Man, you guys are paranoid androids. Quite insane in the membrane.

The question isn't whether or not we're paranoid; it's whether we're paranoid ENOUGH

[Deadlifta]

The question isn't whether or not we're paranoid; it's whether we're paranoid ENOUGH

He is right Hartski. Placing the impetus of survival on ourselves is foolish. Don't you realize that we should all just trust in FEMA to deal with us effectively and in a moral manner?...

[Thin Build]

wow strong paranoia

why dont u build a bomb shelter while ur at it

[Hartski]

wow strong paranoia

why dont u build a bomb shelter while ur at it

Already in the works, Chief.:D

[bearlydavid]

Already in the works, Chief.:D
HAHAHA LOL...

But yeah... im just gonna get some guns.. So if the SHTF... I will just take things from the people that have it...

Oh wait im in texas, everyone has guns... Well im headed to Cali with all my guns :D

[NuggzTheNinja]

HAHAHA LOL...

But yeah... im just gonna get some guns.. So if the SHTF... I will just take things from the people that have it...

Oh wait im in texas, everyone has guns... Well im headed to Cali with all my guns :D

Good. Rob Californians. Serves those damn hippies right.

[gowfanatic]

i know SHTF means **** hits the fan, but why use that term? i don't get it..

[NuggzTheNinja]

I am gonna buy a $800 semiauto 12 gauge (mossberg I think) that isnt gas powered, but utilizes the inertia from the blowback to chamber the next round.

Revolvers: http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188612370.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188636901.html (for CC, although I think since CC is so hard to get and because of hefty legal ramifications, I might opt for a really nice taser)


Rifle: http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397011024.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/048702149009.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/037084427706.html

Any essential weapon suggestions are fine. I also would need a good .22, but am uninformed on them and will leave it up to someone more knowledgeable.

Out of curiosity, why do you want a semi auto 12 g?

Might want to look into an AR15, as everybody and their mother has replacement parts and ammunition.

[guest89]

i know SHTF means **** hits the fan, but why use that term? i don't get it..

Been around for years, I have no idea actually.


As for SHTF kits, I've been to a "Survival" forum where some people will buy houses in the mountains/desert, a special "Bug out" vehicle. (In case of EMP) and all types of cool ****. :D

As for guns for SHTF I'd get either a .22 rifle, AK, AR, and/or a bolt action .308.

For pistols a good .357 revolver, and either a 9mm or .45 auto.

You also want the correct tools/equipment to maintenance your guns.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Been around for years, I have no idea actually.


As for SHTF kits, I've been to a "Survival" forum where some people will buy houses in the mountains/desert, a special "Bug out" vehicle. (In case of EMP) and all types of cool ****. :D

As for guns for SHTF I'd get either a .22 rifle, AK, AR, and/or a bolt action .308.

For pistols a good .357 revolver, and either a 9mm or .45 auto.

You also want the correct tools/equipment to maintenance your guns.

Not to mention replacement parts.

For the AR, I'd just get a whole new BCG/CH. AK a new bolt/firing pin/extractor assembly.

Forget buying individual parts, keep it all in one place. Just keep a whole new BCG/CH around. You could always nick individual parts from it if you want: extractors, firing pin, etc.

[lordofchaos]

Out of curiosity, why do you want a semi auto 12 g?

Might want to look into an AR15, as everybody and their mother has replacement parts and ammunition.

I recomend the AK over the AR just because that is my preference, but also, if you are going for a semi-auto 12g. I would not overlook the saiga... yeah it is gas operated, but it also incorporates one of the most proven semi/full auto firing systems in the world since it is built off a modified AK action...

[guest89]

I recomend the AK over the AR just because that is my preference, but also, if you are going for a semi-auto 12g. I would not overlook the saiga... yeah it is gas operated, but it also incorporates one of the most proven semi/full auto firing systems in the world since it is built off a modified AK action...

I think pump action shotguns are MUCH better for SHTF, they are much tougher and more reliable. And they have virually the same ROF if you know what your doing. While recoil might be slightly less on a semi auto it has to be kept cleaner and can sometimes be finicky with crappy ammo.

Never fired a Saiga before though so perhaps they fire any types of ammo, in any condition.


I've been on some pretty hardcore hunting trips where I actually had to stalk by crawling through mud, and water... After crossing a pond that was a few hundred yards long im usually glad I brought a pump when I pop out the water and start shooting.

[NuggzTheNinja]

I recomend the AK over the AR just because that is my preference, but also, if you are going for a semi-auto 12g. I would not overlook the saiga... yeah it is gas operated, but it also incorporates one of the most proven semi/full auto firing systems in the world since it is built off a modified AK action...

Have you ever fired a Saiga? I wouldn't touch one after my last Saiga experience. They're made for Russian shotshells which are usually brass. As the chamber heats up, you begin to run into massive extraction issues. Leave a shell in there after putting a bunch downrange and you might be fingerf-cking silly putty out of the chamber for a good hour or two.

In America, an AR makes sense because it's the "All American" rifle...everybody has parts for it. Guys who have specifically told me that they don't carry gun parts always come up with a firing pin or a bolt or something after they snoop around. *everyone* has parts.

[TheBlueDevil]

550 cord every SHTF kit needs 550 cord.

[kemp427]

I love the SHTF supplies, I may be wierd well i am, But i believe in zombies so I am stocked up on just about everything. Although I would say the best zombie killen head shot gun is the m1 carbine, light gun can carry plenty of loads not much recoil and dependable... Although all my supplies could be used for the much more plausable SHTF situation to. I guess ya can never be to prepaired.

Oh and btw this sound gross i know but wouldn't dog food suffice for a cheap bulk produce to live off for awhile? Just a question i have often wondered about. As far as water get a plastic 50 gal drum purify it and close it tight.