NHA Stack Weekly Log

[triniwayne]

I started the NHA stack 10 days ago and will now post a "weekly" log of my experiences on it. I am 29yrs old 6' tall and on a daily basis weigh anywhere from 202lbs to 204lbs. In this first week I have not seen any strength increases yet but my weight has fluctuated from 204lbs to a peak of 207lbs so far. I have noticed my muscles harden up, my vascularity has increased and on this the 10th day I am starting to notice an increase in facial acne. I have had the experience of more vivid dreams also.
I will try to drop in and post more than once a week but my schedule is kind of busy.

[triniwayne]

Well I must say I'm getting a little woried/disappointed in the stack as of right now. The 2lbs I thought I gained seemed to have been a result of some bad eating over superbowl weekend(damn wings got me:) I am now back to my starting weight of 202llbs(morning weight) 12 days into this stack. My facial acne has also increased. I am seriously hoping that the next week will bring some results because so far I really feel that any aesthetic changes I first noted were due to me paying more attention to my diet, as far as eating/supplementing better than I normally do. Again no strentgh increases yet. Did anyone else who used the stack see similiar results as I have within the 1st 2weeks?

[triniwayne]

Ok today is now my 15 day on the NHA stack and all I can say is that so far I am very disappointed. No strength gains, No weight gain, Yes to pimples and an itchy scalp. What the *%$#@. I expected much better from this product 15 days into usage. At first I thought great I'm getting leaner, well of course I was; I got of of creatine so there went the water retention. The only theory once again is that the maybe 2 or 3lbs I may have normally lost when cycling off creatine was gained so my weight stabalized.., I'm not taking this supplement to theorize anything. I would like to see some results...

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Your gonna have to be a lot more specific in terms of diet and training.

[triniwayne]

Your gonna have to be a lot more specific in terms of diet and training.

Training:
Monday-Chest, Triceps, Abs, 10mins of Cardio
Tuesday-Legs, Abs, 20mins of Cardio
Wednesday-Shoulders, Biceps, Forearms, 20mins of Cardio
Thurday-Off
Friday-Back, Forearms, Abs, 10 mins of Cardio

Just to give an idea of my strength. Some Personal Best within the past 6 months:
Chest-Incline Bench:315lbs for 2 reps, Flat Bench Dumbells:125lbs dumbells for 4 reps
Legs-500lbs Squat for 2 reps
Shoulders-205lbs Military for 5 reps
(All are free weights and proper form)

I have been training for 11 years and train hard. This is not a game to me. I was the skinny kid on the football team and refuse to be skinny again.

Diet I do not have the specifics, down to the calories but I will say I eat approx 3500-4000 calories a day. Supplementing approx 1300 calories from shakes, flax seed oil etc. Since the start of the stack I have supplemented on average 140grams of protein a day into my diet, and eat around 100-150 grams of protein in whole food a day.

My diet is not perfect I will admit, I will have the occasional pack of candy, or drink juice, or be forced into buying so called healthy options for take out, but its almost like the stack is preventing me from gaining weight(trust me I know its sounds weird but I just don't get it) I also don't see the point of a stack like this if you have to eat like a mad man to gain weight, if that's the case why do you need the stack....?

Two years ago my bodyweight peaked at 215lbs after a cylce of 1Ad, but dropped back to 195lbs after having 2 knee surgeries in 8 weeks. So the potential is there and trust me I didn't pay any attention to calories or proper supplementation for bulking when I did the 1Ad, I made no changes to my diet and the weight came. I expected that with the changes I made to my diet this time around I could possibly see approx 8lbs off of this stack but at this rate I do not see it happening. My morning weight of 202lbs 15 days ago was the same this morning, disappointing...

[40-Yard Dash_2]

I know you said you were taking creatine before this, but what else have been your supplements for the past 6 months? With the exeception of protein, fish oil, and a multi. Also, the past 6 months, what have specifically been your goals. For example, 5 months ago were you cutting, and for how long? On the flip side, were you bulking, and for how long? Just take me up until now when you began this stack in terms of supplements and your bodybuilding goals.

[triniwayne]

January-Kre-Alkalyn(very good creatine product) for the last 2 weeks of the month. Prior to that I was on Gaspari's Size-On creatine(ok but not worth the money). Syntrax Nitrous(best NO booster for the money) for all of January.
December-CytoSport's Fast Twitch(not bad but has a weird after-taste)
November-Cell Mass(it's pretty good) & Universal's NOX3(a waste of money)
October-Stacker2 w/ephedrine(impressive of course) did it for 2 weeks and stopped then continued to cut for about another 1 weeks and dropped about 9lbs before going to Hawaii:) Bought Pump-Tech while there used for 3 weeks(what a waste) Also started back on Kre-Alkalyn after coming of Stacker2
September-Kre-Alkalyn
August-Vitargo CGL(bloats you but strength gains are impressive), NxCare's Aminovol(not sure about this one), EAS Nitric Oxide Booster(it was decent)

Glutamine(the verdicts still out on this one) was taken August to December.

During the past 5-6months my weight fluctuated from 198lbs to 207lbs
When I haven't been cutting(which I rarely do) The goal is to gain weight slowly and stay under 12% bf while doing it.
This cyle is the first time in a while I have truly been eating like I want to put on weight within a month's time.

[uhockey]

I see 40 is handling this. Nice job buddy. :)

[40-Yard Dash_2]

January-Kre-Alkalyn(very good creatine product) for the last 2 weeks of the month. Prior to that I was on Gaspari's Size-On creatine(ok but not worth the money). Syntrax Nitrous(best NO booster for the money) for all of January.
December-CytoSport's Fast Twitch(not bad but has a weird after-taste)
November-Cell Mass(it's pretty good) & Universal's NOX3(a waste of money)
October-Stacker2 w/ephedrine(impressive of course) did it for 2 weeks and stopped then continued to cut for about another 1 weeks and dropped about 9lbs before going to Hawaii:) Bought Pump-Tech while there used for 3 weeks(what a waste) Also started back on Kre-Alkalyn after coming of Stacker2
September-Kre-Alkalyn
August-Vitargo CGL(bloats you but strength gains are impressive), NxCare's Aminovol(not sure about this one), EAS Nitric Oxide Booster(it was decent)

Glutamine(the verdicts still out on this one) was taken August to December.

During the past 5-6months my weight fluctuated from 198lbs to 207lbs
When I haven't been cutting(which I rarely do) The goal is to gain weight slowly and stay under 12% bf while doing it.
This cyle is the first time in a while I have truly been eating like I want to put on weight within a month's time.
Alright. Let's just continue the log and see what happens in the next week.

[triniwayne]

Ok well today I bought True-Mass, can't believe its come to this, we'll see...

[triniwayne]

Well it's now day 18 on this stuff and nothing. It's weird it seemed like during the 1st 10 days the stack was starting to take effect as I seemed to get leaner and harder but then all of a sudden any potential results ceased. Well at least my pimples have subsided a bit. I am still very lethargic all the time. No strength increases. My left shoulder has started to bother me, and as for my knees; forget it, after leg day they kill me for like 4 days, and that's not normal. The one thing at least that came back about 3 days ago is my libido. Its not back fully but its getting there. Personally I do hope I get something out of this stack but I really can't wait till this stack is over as I feel it has actually impeded my progress.

[Nathan1]

hmm.....

what's your training regimen lookin like?

how often do you change it up? how long have you been doing your current regimen?

what would you say was the routine you had your best results with in the last year?

I believe this stack should work wonders, you're getting acne, good sign it's working, something else is the problem.

[triniwayne]

My regimen is listed already in the thread. I switch my program approx every 3-4months, & a program very similiar to the one I am on right now gave good results.
Trust me its not my training or diet. It's the product and my body. Not every supp works for everyone. Hopfeully though this stack is just taking a little longer to take effect in me.

The pimples to me, don't convince me its working. Yeah it shows its in me and circulating but its not giving me the so called "standard results". I did 1AD a few years back, had no increase in acne but still put on about 9 or so lbs.

[Nathan1]

My regimen is listed already in the thread. I switch my program approx every 3-4months, & a program very similiar to the one I am on right now gave good results.
Trust me its not my training or diet. It's the product and my body. Not every supp works for everyone. Hopfeully though this stack is just taking a little longer to take effect in me.

The pimples to me, don't convince me its working. Yeah it shows its in me and circulating but its not giving me the so called "standard results". I did 1AD a few years back, had no increase in acne but still put on about 9 or so lbs.

you want the truth? cut back the cardio or up the cals(edit: or both)....judging by the side effects you're receiving, the products are working, especially the ATD(i don't know the sides usual with Activate, but i've used ATD stand alone - in my sig)

the problem is with diet or it's with training, i'm sorry it sounds like it's going to piss you off, as you're already somewhat irritated with lack of gains, but the sole fact that you don't count cals is my sign that you're probably not getting enough good food. or your training is going stale....time for something new, or more compounds, different reps, sets, could be a variety of things. just because your test is UP doesn't mean the pounds are just going to plop onto your body.

:) no offense is intended, i'm just trying to help, i feel your pain and i've felt it before...

[40-Yard Dash_2]

you want the truth? cut back the cardio or up the cals(edit: or both)....judging by the side effects you're receiving, the products are working, especially the ATD(i don't know the sides usual with Activate, but i've used ATD stand alone - in my sig)

the problem is with diet or it's with training, i'm sorry it sounds like it's going to piss you off, as you're already somewhat irritated with lack of gains, but the sole fact that you don't count cals is my sign that you're probably not getting enough good food. or your training is going stale....time for something new, or more compounds, different reps, sets, could be a variety of things. just because your test is UP doesn't mean the pounds are just going to plop onto your body.

:) no offense is intended, i'm just trying to help, i feel your pain and i've felt it before...
That's what gets me. He says he is doing this, and doing that, but the fact of the matter is, we just don't really know. I'm not saying that your lying man, but are you honestly doing things "right" here? Well, I might be taking in somewhere between 3000-4000 calories, but I'm not really sure. When in reality, you are only taking in just over 2000 calories, your eating junk, and your skipping meals. And I've seen it go both ways before. And you know what I'm talking about in terms of doing things "right." If you can honestly say so, then I do apologize and I guess you were just a 1 in a 1,000,000 total non-responder. Only you know.

[triniwayne]

That's what gets me. He says he is doing this, and doing that, but the fact of the matter is, we just don't really know. I'm not saying that your lying man, but are you honestly doing things "right" here? Well, I might be taking in somewhere between 3000-4000 calories, but I'm not really sure. When in reality, you are only taking in just over 2000 calories, your eating junk, and your skipping meals. And I've seen it go both ways before. And you know what I'm talking about in terms of doing things "right." If you can honestly say so, then I do apologize and I guess you were just a 1 in a 1,000,000 total non-responder. Only you know.
At first I wasn't going to even bother to repsond, but I will. Skipping meals...!!!, taking in just over 2k calories, eating junk. Are you kidding me. I NEVER miss a meal, eat junk well we all do ON OCCASION. I take in around 1500 calories in supps alone and eat 4-5 solid meals alongside that a day.

A little more background. I used to be a personal trainer. I also managed a vitamin shoppe, and tried every damn supplement we sold. I think I know a little about diet and training. In the year 2000 I weighed 165lbs 7%bf. In 2003 I weighed in at 215lbs 13% bf. I have now settled in at about 205lbs 11% bf. I know how to bulk up.
Guess what not everyone repsonds the same way to a compound.

Check the poll.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9865

22 people out there said they didn't get much from it, guess what it happens. Are they really paying you guys that much to defend the products tooth and nail.
I'm not huge but damn proud of what I have. These are 2 pics of me at about 203lbs.

[uhockey]

At first I wasn't going to even bother to repsond, but I will. Skipping meals...!!!, taking in just over 2k calories, eating junk. Are you kidding me. I NEVER miss a meal, eat junk well we all do ON OCCASION. I take in around 1500 calories in supps alone and eat 4-5 solid meals alongside that a day.

A little more background. I used to be a personal trainer. I also managed a vitamin shoppe, and tried every damn supplement we sold. I think I know a little about diet and training. In the year 2000 I weighed 165lbs 7%bf. In 2003 I weighed in at 215lbs 13% bf. I have now settled in at about 205lbs 11% bf. I know how to bulk up.
Guess what not everyone repsonds the same way to a compound.

Check the poll.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9865

22 people out there said they didn't get much from it, guess what it happens. Are they really paying you guys that much to defend the products tooth and nail.
I'm not huge but damn proud of what I have. These are 2 pics of me at about 203lbs.

I'll step in now and tell 40 to back off. There are a few confounding factors to your log, but you're right, not everything works for everyone. I wish the NHA has worked better for you. Your pics look damned good so I dont' question your skills in the gym or the question.

That poll, as you can tell by looking at names, is irrelevant. Those "22" people are likely haters who are voting on multiple PCs, thus the reason you cannot see their names (they aren't valued members.) Additionally, Sixpack blatantly lied as can be seen in the discussion under that thread.

Once again, I wish this proudct would start doing as much for you as it did for myself and others. What products have you responded to WELL in the past?

[triniwayne]

I'll step in now and tell 40 to back off. There are a few confounding factors to your log, but you're right, not everything works for everyone. I wish the NHA has worked better for you. Your pics look damned good so I dont' question your skills in the gym or the question.

That poll, as you can tell by looking at names, is irrelevant. Those "22" people are likely haters who are voting on multiple PCs, thus the reason you cannot see their names (they aren't valued members.) Additionally, Sixpack blatantly lied as can be seen in the discussion under that thread.

Once again, I wish this proudct would start doing as much for you as it did for myself and others. What products have you responded to WELL in the past?

Thanks UHockey for the compliments. I too hope the product does start to kick in a little better. I have started True Mass so maybe that might help give it a kick start.

As far as supps that have worked great for me I would have to say Sci-Fit's Kre-Alkalyn, Syntrax's Nitrous, 1AD produced results but when my cholesterol came back at 267, it did worry me a bit. Also believe it or not I think the combo of NX-Care's Amino-vol, and Vitargo CGL did good things for my strength levels, but bloated me out too much though. NO-Xplode & Storm were good. SAN's V-12 Turbo also produced decent results. Those are the supplements that stand out to me.

[Nathan1]

well i must say that first off, i'm sorry you are so upset and offended of people trying to help. sometimes being a skeptic is the best way to get to the root of the problem in helping people....

btw, not only do i not get paid to defend ANY products, i do not work for/am not associated with Designer Supplements, but i HAVE done a stand-alone ATD cycle with good results....the results did not come from the supplement...the results came from proper nutrition, training, AND the supp.

One thing i'm not sure if you understand or not though, is that you are having the side effects(acne, itchy scalp-very good sign it is working!) but not the positive effects...perhaps YOU could explain it to ME.

Again, sorry for trying to help and sorry you feel the way that you do.

[triniwayne]

well i must say that first off, i'm sorry you are so upset and offended of people trying to help. sometimes being a skeptic is the best way to get to the root of the problem in helping people....

btw, not only do i not get paid to defend ANY products, i do not work for/am not associated with Designer Supplements, but i HAVE done a stand-alone ATD cycle with good results....the results did not come from the supplement...the results came from proper nutrition, training, AND the supp.

One thing i'm not sure if you understand or not though, is that you are having the side effects(acne, itchy scalp-very good sign it is working!) but not the positive effects...perhaps YOU could explain it to ME.

Again, sorry for trying to help and sorry you feel the way that you do.

I'll say it as simple as this; I wasn't speaking to you.

[Nathan1]

I'll say it as simple as this; I wasn't speaking to you.

and i'll say it to you as simply as possible. ready?

Myself and 40 yard were the only ones speaking to YOU, trying to HELP you.... so now tell me you didn't say "guys" in the quote below....:rolleyes:


Are they really paying you guys that much to defend the products tooth and nail.

[triniwayne]

and i'll say it to you as simply as possible. ready?

Myself and 40 yard were the only ones speaking to YOU, trying to HELP you.... so now tell me you didn't say "guys" in the quote below....:rolleyes:

I am not going to waste my time arguing with some kid on the net, it's not about you, there are people all over this board defending companies no matter what someone else experiences with the companies products.
Have a nice life...

[Robboe]

I think your photos are great. You look brilliant.

But i was also getting the impression that calorie intake (or expenditure) may be the issue. I think regular cardio is great, but i would personally still weigh myself every 7th day and if i'd not gained weight, i'd up the calories a little to ensure i did 7 days later. This is with or without the NHA Stack. Even training without supplements i still gear my approach to gain a small amount of weight each week.

[triniwayne]

I think your photos are great. You look brilliant.

But i was also getting the impression that calorie intake (or expenditure) may be the issue. I think regular cardio is great, but i would personally still weigh myself every 7th day and if i'd not gained weight, i'd up the calories a little to ensure i did 7 days later. This is with or without the NHA Stack. Even training without supplements i still gear my approach to gain a small amount of weight each week.
Thanks, the calories have been upped but for whatever reason, it's not working I seemed to have gained about 1lb but it's obvious it's not totally clean weight.

[triniwayne]

Well I have 1 week left on the NHA stack and I must say I can't wait for it to be over. Unfortunately this stack is not working out too well for me. Ever since I added the True Mass to the equation. I gained about 1lb but as stated previously it's not clean.

The things that has disappointed me most are the lack of strength gains & the sore joints. I never expected to be this disappointed by a supplement but hey, they can't all work great I guess.

I hope that AX's Herbal Hypertrophic will yield better results, as I am looking forward to it's release.

[Abe the Cop]

You're looking to gain mass yet you do cardio almost every day. This could be your problem. Cut the cardio and save it for cutting. I see people here are helping you out, I just didn't notice anyone say anything about cardio. Maybe someone did and I just missed it. Good luck

[triniwayne]

Well I just came back from vacation a day ago, and now have a minute to post my results. I ended this stack weighing the same
204lbs as I started. There is no other way to say it other than I regret taking this stack. I think it was a waste of money. I added the calories, carbs, protein and got nothing. The most disappointing thing was that I lost strength, yes lost strength. The reason for this being that while on this stack my joints would bother me a lot more when I lifted, therefore I couldn’t handle the same heavy weights that I used to be able to. I only hope that my joints ill return to normal once my estrogen levels balance back out. In closing for me this stack was definitely not worth it

[Trinigal]

Well hope you had a good vacation Triniwayne... I would say that 40 and the other guys gave you some solid advice. Whoever said you should cut down on your cardio was right. Maybe you should cut down on it and see what effect it has with ur stacks that you are taking and keep those calories up eat more but try to keep it as healthy as possible. I reckon you will do fine. But I jus wanted to say that the cardio is a good point. I do cardio all the time 20-40 mins sessions when I need to lose weight and it works. Acutally I have been puttin on some mass by neglecting my cardio lately so I need to be doing more cardio cause unfortunately I do not want to bulk like u guys. I am a girl :). All I can say is concentrate on ur weights a little more and it is good that you change ur program every three to four months cause routine can get boring after a while plus imo it is good to keep the muscles guessing hey. Well best of luck partner.

[40-Yard Dash_2]

You're looking to gain mass yet you do cardio almost every day. This could be your problem. Cut the cardio and save it for cutting. I see people here are helping you out, I just didn't notice anyone say anything about cardio. Maybe someone did and I just missed it. Good luck



Well I just came back from vacation a day ago, and now have a minute to post my results. I ended this stack weighing the same
204lbs as I started. There is no other way to say it other than I regret taking this stack. I think it was a waste of money. I added the calories, carbs, protein and got nothing. The most disappointing thing was that I lost strength, yes lost strength. The reason for this being that while on this stack my joints would bother me a lot more when I lifted, therefore I couldn’t handle the same heavy weights that I used to be able to. I only hope that my joints ill return to normal once my estrogen levels balance back out. In closing for me this stack was definitely not worth it
Oh, so you were obviously cutting then all the cardio you were performing, right?

[GAFFY]

alot of people are getting bad results on nha

[40-Yard Dash_2]

alot of people are getting bad results on nha
Show me.

[beer20]

There is no other way to say it other than I regret taking this stack. I think it was a waste of money. I added the calories, carbs, protein and got nothing. The most disappointing thing was that I lost strength, yes lost strength. The reason for this being that while on this stack my joints would bother me a lot more when I lifted, therefore I couldn’t handle the same heavy weights that I used to be able to. I only hope that my joints ill return to normal once my estrogen levels balance back out. In closing for me this stack was definitely not worth it
i was curious what dosage you used for the rebound?

[GAFFY]

Show me.
too lazy but this is like the 5th negative post ive seen since i signed up

[40-Yard Dash_2]

too lazy but this is like the 5th negative post ive seen since i signed up
I thought so.

[GAFFY]

I thought so.
mmkay

[40-Yard Dash_2]

mmkay

Well, if you could post those 5 detailed logs it would be much appreciated.

[GAFFY]

i was reading thru posts
i did see ppl say they didnt feel nethin after like 1-2 weeks
also, i saw blood tests, some guys chlosterol went way up

plus the activate bottle says 65-95% extract.......

[40-Yard Dash_2]

i was reading thru posts
i did see ppl say they didnt feel nethin after like 1-2 weeks
also, i saw blood tests, some guys chlosterol went way up

plus the activate bottle says 65-95% extract.......
First off, I can't make sense of all your run-on, sentence fragments, so you've got to help me out here with some form of a complete thought. Anyway, I am currently logging the NHA Stack, and I'm on day 16. I didn't start to feel the stack really kick in till about 3-4 days ago, but now it is in full force. That would be almost 2 weeks for me. Now, the guy with the cholesterol, did you even read the entire set of posts about his cholesterol issue? Apparently not.

[GAFFY]

its good to hear it from a rep

[beer20]

i was curious what dosage you used for the rebound?
just in case this got lost in there triniwayne....

[Abe the Cop]

Oh, so you were obviously cutting then all the cardio you were performing, right?

But he said he wanted to gain weight, not lose it, so I don't think his intentions were to cut. Unless he thought he could lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously...which obviously didn't happen...

[triniwayne]

just in case this got lost in there triniwayne....
I used 2 a day for the 1st three weeks and 1 a day for the last week. I followed the directions of a 4 week cycle exactly from Designer Supps website.

[beer20]

I used 2 a day for the 1st three weeks and 1 a day for the last week. I followed the directions of a 4 week cycle exactly from Designer Supps website.
thanx

also i was curious when your joints started feeling sore?

[triniwayne]

Oh, so you were obviously cutting then all the cardio you were performing, right?

Cutting; all that cardio? I don't exactly think that 40-60mins of cardio total time for a week is a lot of cardio. Think about it this way, on average walking at a face pace for a person of my bodyweight of 204lbs I am going to burn about 6 calories per minute. 80% of my cardio consisted of walking while the other 20% was running(I hate running). Running will burn about 15 calories per minute. So on average with that breakdown I would be doing 48mins(288calories burned) of walking, 12 of running(180 calories burned) for a total of an extra 468 calories burned a week. In order to loose a pound of fat you must burn 3500 calories. I really don't think the 468 lost calories every week prevented me from gaining the avg 6lb gains that people have claimed off NHA Stack.

[triniwayne]

thanx

also i was curious when your joints started feeling sore?

If I'm not mistaken it was about 10days or so in.

[triniwayne]

Well hope you had a good vacation Triniwayne... I would say that 40 and the other guys gave you some solid advice. Whoever said you should cut down on your cardio was right. Maybe you should cut down on it and see what effect it has with ur stacks that you are taking and keep those calories up eat more but try to keep it as healthy as possible. I reckon you will do fine. But I jus wanted to say that the cardio is a good point. I do cardio all the time 20-40 mins sessions when I need to lose weight and it works. Acutally I have been puttin on some mass by neglecting my cardio lately so I need to be doing more cardio cause unfortunately I do not want to bulk like u guys. I am a girl :). All I can say is concentrate on ur weights a little more and it is good that you change ur program every three to four months cause routine can get boring after a while plus imo it is good to keep the muscles guessing hey. Well best of luck partner.

Well unfortunately the stack is over so there's nothing I can do anymore. Thanks though. I would assume you are from Trini? I just came back from Carnival, did you go?

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Cutting; all that cardio? I don't exactly think that 40-60mins of cardio total time for a week is a lot of cardio. Think about it this way, on average walking at a face pace for a person of my bodyweight of 204lbs I am going to burn about 6 calories per minute. 80% of my cardio consisted of walking while the other 20% was running(I hate running). Running will burn about 15 calories per minute. So on average with that breakdown I would be doing 48mins(288calories burned) of walking, 12 of running(180 calories burned) for a total of an extra 468 calories burned a week. In order to loose a pound of fat you must burn 3500 calories. I really don't think the 468 lost calories every week prevented me from gaining the avg 6lb gains that people have claimed off NHA Stack.
Thanks for sharing that. We didn't know anything about the intensity of your cardio routines. Heck, I can almost run 2 miles in 10 minutes, therefore that equals intense cardio in just 10 minutes. It just would have been a lot more beneficial had you been able to keep a detailed log of your entire experience.

[triniwayne]

Thanks for sharing that. We didn't know anything about the intensity of your cardio routines. Heck, I can almost run 2 miles in 10 minutes, therefore that equals intense cardio in just 10 minutes. It just would have been a lot more beneficial had you been able to keep a detailed log of your entire experience.
No problem. I knew when I started this log I would be too busy to keep it very detailed. Oh yeah, almost 2 miles in 10mins that's damn impressive!!

[40-Yard Dash_2]

No problem. I knew when I started this log I would be too busy to keep it very detailed. Oh yeah, almost 2 miles in 10mins that's damn impressive!!
Well, sorry the stack did not work out for you. Thanks for the honest review, and best of luck!

[GAFFY]

hah, and sorry

[Nathan1]

Gaffy, you're not including anything useful. Please stop.

Trini, i don't know what to say bro, too bad about the stack not workin out for ya, that's life though...supps work differently on different people. best of luck to ya!

[Robboe]

plus the activate bottle says 65-95% extract.......

That is because there is no official standard for testing for Divanil. We are told it is standardised to 95% but we wanted margin for error on the label.