Best Protein Powder For Gaining Muscle?

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Best Protein Powder For Gaining Muscle??

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If you had to pick just ONE protein powder for gaining muscle, what would be the best one for the best results?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take protein, if protein works, or why some protein powders do not work. Just list your absolute favorite protein powder and give your detailed reason.)

[adidamps2]

ON's casien...i like my steady amino acid flow and the huge amount of glutemine and Bcaa's in it.

[888888]

thanks admin for the topic finally :D

ON's 100% Whey Protein

[gymboy99]

i use nutrisport 90+ more than anything

[k04]

Optimum 100% Whey Protein

Tastes great and you get awesome gains from it. One of the best protein powders in the game.

[Estopell]

Ergopharm GF Pro is top quality and the numerous flavors appeal to everyone.

[FarEastBeast]

I've experienced my best muscle gains using AST's VP2

[bbowen32006]

Optimum 100% Whey Protein
i have seen a slight improvment since i have been using. couldn't say anything bad about it. so it must be good. add a multi v. to you diet it seems to help me.

[BRIANG1980]

i have taken it and massive strenth gains. i am leg pressing 1460 pounds 10 times up from around 900 pounds. i was pressing 65# db now im doing the 125#'s shruggin 545 barbell up from 315 i am also taken no-xlplode and zma

[misterwaterfall]

Optimum 100% is working great for me. Sense I switched over from a cheaper brand I have been packing on more lean muscle than before, and it taste pretty good

[the kraken]

Met-rx APM 60 worked in the past.
Have to mention Isopure.

[cooljc]

I think that the best protein powder is Premium Whey Protein. But I only take I scoop before I work out. It tastes great and helps me gain muscle and loose fat.

[Mike_Hock]

got to say i love ON gold standard, good at minimizing recovery time, and keeping gains if you dont train for a short period

[stevewillis]

protbol is not availible in stores ,comes in 4 lbs strawberryhe invented it and is the only one who has it ,it lasts a month ,it can be used before and after workout ,it has everything in it carbs ,muscle gain activators weight loss and more it gives you lots of energy and responds to what you want to achieve ,kinda pricey ,but its well worth the price and you only need to take it twice a day ,wow try this stuff ,this is the best tasting prtien ive had beats bsn and is real protien not that fake junk ,that makes you fat he also has blasterol awesome stuff 90 cap 1000+ mg eaa pill you take 1-3 before workout hour prior ,i felt it the first day wow , ive ordered 5 bottles i want as much as possible to keep my self in stock , his # is 1800-423-0788

[mighty_polak]

Prolab N-Large. Great Taste (Chocolate)
2nd come ON100% Whey b/c i took it as my MRP later on cuz i noticed that the maltodextrine in the N-large isnt good to be used as a MRP.

Helped me gain from 139lb to 172lb (wow) in 2-3 months. Im down to a lil less now, cuz some of it was fat from bad dieting.

[1-Testosterone]

Dorian Yates ProPeptide
Beverly Muscle Provider
Ergoharm GF Pro

These 3 are the best for Professional level bodybuilders who are serious about gaining muscle.

For rest, there's ON's Whey and similar cheap a$$ whey concentrates.

[888888]

Prolab N-Large. Great Taste (Chocolate)


did the N-Large actually work for you?

I was looking at getting some of that, but heard a lot of negatives for it.
Ta

[PumpSteel4Life]

I think Optimum Nutritions Whey Protein has helped me add a lot of muscle. In addition, it tastes fantastic (the chocolate, anyways).

[hotasice2003]

MHP's Probolic SR. It has fast, and slow digesting proteins. The casein keeps you in an positive nitrogen balance MUCH longer than just staight whey. People say they are gaining strength and mass from whey? It is not the whey that is doing that, but the BCAA's IN the whey.( esp Leucine ) Probolic is loaded with Glutamine and BCAA's, and will keep you in an anabolic state much longer than your typical whey.

[JosephMomma]

If you are you into bodybuilding or better health, and you tired of the junk that companies say works and does certain things, but don’t, then you need to know about a company who makes state-of-the-art products. I have personally tried other products from the so-called ten “leading name” companies out there and had little or no success. I was tired of wasting hard-earned money, as I’m sure you are at this point. I then ran across a Muscular Development magazine, and saw the ad for All American East, a company that has been around since 1980. I called Mr. Tom Harris, who discussed his products and I was blown away with the success that I achieved with these products in such a short time. One his speciality products for protein supplementation is Protobol II™, which, after taking so many other brands, I view as the only real training powder on the market today. For gaining strength and muscle mass. Helps recuperation after workouts! Good for any athlete.

He also carries products such as Kre-Alkalyn®™, the real buffered creatine, which has no side effects and doesn’t turn into poison, plus it provides huge lifting gains and water weight loss. Tom also has a product called Blasterol 1000 ™ (testosterone) that blows away the competition in the first day. with immediate results. There are so many good products there, but I’ll let you go to the web site and check out these awesome products at All American East: http://www.trufax.org/aae/

it sounded too pre composed to not be a real person with an actual opinion...I'm sick of company reps doing free advertising at the expense of the populous...

judgement day is real and industry quaiprostitutes are liars

[Ludwig]

On whey protein or ultimate nutrition prostar if i can get it on sale

[travisau]

Optimum 100% Whey Protein. Been getting solid gains with it, and the Cookies & Cream tastes awesome.

[affinityfalls]

What do you guys think of USN Pure Protien? It has 40g of protien per serving, i've gone through a few tubs, seems to be working OK for me. Although I have no reference - The only protiens i've used are LA and this USN.
Think I might give ONs 100% a try next.

[1-Testosterone]

The best protein for gaining muscle is always a high quality protein blend which contains Highest quality "un-denatured" High Fraction (CFM) Whey protein Isolate and concentrates, Milk Protein Isolate (Miceller Casein) and Egg Albumin.

My favorites are Beverly Muscle Provider and Propeptide by DYA.

It's laughable that many believe ON 100% Whey comes in the same class which doesn't come even close by any stretch of imagination.

[krnxjayxthug]

Is body fortress whey vanilla powder a good supplement to gain mass? Or is it just a cheap P.O.S

[kiltwearingwop]

Is body fortress whey vanilla powder a good supplement to gain mass? Or is it just a cheap P.O.S
BIG TIME P.O.S!

[BAMA89]

Is body fortress whey vanilla powder a good supplement to gain mass? Or is it just a cheap P.O.S

yea its horrible. got 2 lb for 8 bucks or something and thinking of throwing it out because i cant stop the gag reflex. same for the chocolate.

[krnxjayxthug]

I got some Optiumum nutrition whey gold 100% strawberry :D

[Yates Row T]

AST's vp-2 for me or GNC's mega isolate as backup

i hate ON's whey i hate everything their company makes

[GCSurfer]

To the Optimum 100% Whey Protein users. When and how much are you talking?

[bbowen32006]

I take about a scoop and a half right after i workout. (37 grams or so) mixed with a shake, ice cream, milk, banna, and take it with a multi vit. ( i know i obsorbes slower like that) but thats how i like to take it!

[velli224]

AST VP2 is the best, its one of the only 100% Hydrolyzed proteins. Made nice gains so far.

[CENTAUR]

ON 100% whey ive been using the chocolate mint flav lately.
mmmm minty

[HK Connection]

EAS whey protein has done fine for me
Just bought the 10lb bag of Optimum but haven't tried it yet.

[Another Guy]

AST VP2 is the best, its one of the only 100% Hydrolyzed proteins. Made nice gains so far.
AST VP2 is a WPI, is it not?

[psycho69]

Optimum 100% Whey Protein

Tastes great and you get awesome gains from it. One of the best protein powders in the game.

would it really make a difference to use ON 100% whey? I currently just use the no frills unflavoured brands and buy cheap in bulk. Taste aside, will it really help my gains much to switch to ON 100% whey?

[VIO]

If you are you into bodybuilding or better health, and you tired of the junk that companies say works and does certain things, but don’t, then you need to know about a company who makes state-of-the-art products. I have personally tried other products from the so-called ten “leading name” companies out there and had little or no success. I was tired of wasting hard-earned money, as I’m sure you are at this point. I then ran across a Muscular Development magazine, and saw the ad for All American East, a company that has been around since 1980. I called Mr. Tom Harris, who discussed his products and I was blown away with the success that I achieved with these products in such a short time. One his speciality products for protein supplementation is Protobol II™, which, after taking so many other brands, I view as the only real training powder on the market today. For gaining strength and muscle mass. Helps recuperation after workouts! Good for any athlete.

He also carries products such as Kre-Alkalyn®™, the real buffered creatine, which has no side effects and doesn’t turn into poison, plus it provides huge lifting gains and water weight loss. Tom also has a product called Blasterol 1000 ™ (testosterone) that blows away the competition in the first day. with immediate results. There are so many good products there, but I’ll let you go to the web site and check out these awesome products at All American East: http://www.trufax.org/aae/

i wonder what name is on the sig line of your paycheck. you even included the "tm" and registered symbols. hhhhmmmm.......

[bigjbhs64]

if any 1 could answer this question that would be great..well i just started using protein powder..and im using GNC's Pro Performance 100% Whey Protein..does any body know if its good?? bad??

[Yates Row T]

the pro per whey is fine if u dont care about gettin mostly whey concentrate, i think its better qualtity then ON's whey. but pro performance mega isolate is deff better. personally i use AST's VP-2

[bigjbhs64]

alright man thanks..after i finish this 5lb jar of pro perf ill deff try that AST's VP-2

[nafto]

5 grams of BCAAs + 4 grams of glutamine ,each scoop

I dont need another protein or amino products ,Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey is enough for me. Daily I use 5 scoops , (am,pm,before workout,after workout and before bed time ) with meals

I ve nearly finnished Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey 10lbs , the best whey protein ı ve ever use ..

Greetin from Turkiye

[scottjameson]

Frankly, I still, other than taste, find very little difference in Whey protein. I too have been comfortable with ON but I have to honest I chose on the basis of price/gram of protein not some sales pitch promising me mega gains. The article below give you a comparison of contents and cost per gram of several Major proteins from one distributor. This gives an "apples to apples" comparison. I would assume if you researched another distributor, the protein price structure between those brands would be the same though another distributor may have more or less markup on the brands. Shop around is my point, other companies may have even better deals.

http://www.bodybuildingprogramzone.com/article194.htm

[grapemaster]

ON 100% whey ive been using the chocolate mint flav lately.
mmmm minty

same here, was skeptical about the taste, but pretty good.
good stuff, use about 35g+maltodextrin PW shake and casein protein before bed.

that iron fortress walmart **** is crap, used it when I ran out of ON before, horrible.

[JLA050]

Is Optimum Nutrition's serious mass a good weightgainer?

[SoulPower]

On 100% whey --Tons of everything in it
Great Taste
110 calories per scoop, so its a mass gainer too
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1 scoop with breakfast
1 scoop after workout

[bongd]

ON 100% whey. Since I've been taking this delicious protein, not only do I have a constant smile (rather than hectic gagging) but I think I've gotten a lot more lean. There's tons of BCAA's, it seems that I'm still gaining weight without lots of BF and yeah... can't complain. Everything that people say about this protein is true. I don't know if I'll ever switch proteins again. It's not broken, there's no reason to fix it and unless a new miracle protein comes out, I'm sticking with it.

Props to ON for doing something unheard of. lol

[KgVanc]

Hands down ON 100% Whey. It tastes awesome, has tons of BCAA's, low fat and cholesterol, and 110 calories per serving. I have made great gains since I started using ON consistently.

[stephenlouis]

I use "PVL ISO Gold" generally, but I have no problem buying any other good brand when on sale.

I am thinking of trying a new way of taking my protein powder. I have always taken it in the AM, then just before or after a workout and at night before bed..apx 37 grams per serving. I am going to try pulsing (I am 41) using a pulse pattern could be useful in preventing the age-related loss of muscle by increasing feeding-induced stimulation of muscle protein synthesis. 80 % of my intake will be taken at around noon, 10%/10% morning and night.

Just for a couple of months...as i am at a stand still in muscle growth. If it works I will let you all know...

[Al Shades]

The "best protein for gaining muscle" is, essentially, the highest quality protein.

And as far as whey is concerned, that would be Ergopharm GF-Pro, no contest. You don't go bringing up the subject of the highest quality protein and mention a concentrate or caseinate in the same sentence.

It's simple:

Whey Protein Isolate from Cross Flow Microfiltering or Cold Filtering, non ionized, non denatured

or

Cold Processed Micellar Casein, with the same conditions applying as above

That's it. It's not ON Whey. It's not calcium caseinate. People seem to have an inordinately difficult amount of time understanding the difference between "best tasting" and "highest quality". The two categories are NOT interchangeable, citizens. If anything, they're opposites.

[stephenlouis]

"Whey Protein Isolate from Cross Flow Microfiltering or Cold Filtering, non ionized, non denatured"

I agree with this.

[Weight_Lifter]

So how much does On's whey make you bulk? I just want a protein powder that will give me muscle gains, not make me so big that I look disporpotionate to my body.

[lanzo]

for hardgainers i would say check out www.americanbodybuilding.com look at their "extreme xxl" shake (in bottle) 1090 cal 50g protien 220g carbs 1/bottle 24oz. its expensive but you get what you pay 4.

[gangstakush]

Nitro techh is the best muscle building protein powder.. well i have tried it for about a month and have gotten serious mass gains. i have tried both on 100% optimum 2 but nitro tech is in a wayy bigger level den optimum and all the otherr proteins out dere

[teymur]

Nitro techh is the best muscle building protein powder.. well i have tried it for about a month and have gotten serious mass gains. i have tried both on 100% optimum 2 but nitro tech is in a wayy bigger level den optimum and all the otherr proteins out dere

I agree, NitroTech gives lean mass, whereas Optimum makes you bulky.

[bigswoll74]

I just started using Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey Gold Standard. It tastes pretty good, has BCAA's, is low in fat, has 110 calories, and 23g protein per serving. I prefer mixing it with milk over water.

[Another Guy]

I agree, NitroTech gives lean mass, whereas Optimum makes you bulky.
Does NitroTech has as much BCAA? Or does BCAA the stuff that makes you bulky?

[Electrical]

I agree, nitrotech is a good sup for lean muscle build, but since i already am a strong kind of guy and dont want to be "pigging out on sups" i switched to ON 100 Whey. in my opinion any whey protein will help, it just depends how concentrated it is. but if your taking a gramm per pound you weigh, then it should all be fine...

[jns189]

I've been using Optimum Nutrition's 100% whey for 4 years now and it's done nothing but good for me. Theres no way I could eat the amount of protein my body needs in a given day, and this powder gives me the lean protein I need. It also has a lot of BCAA's that a lot of other protein powder's don't have which is a plus.

[B_Master_Flash]

I agree, NitroTech gives lean mass, whereas Optimum makes you bulky.


Uhhhh, NO

[deep84]

ON 100% whey or ON serious mass or N-Large II please help me in choosing on of these for max muscle gain .. i have already finished 5 lbs of ON whey and i am planning to shift to either of N-Large or ON Serious Mass 12 Lbs. or shpould i stick with ON 100% whey

[mwehrle]

Pro Complex is a far supperior protein than any other, in my opinion all other are cheep blends of a lot of things your body doesnt need

[Titanium Cross]

Same here. I use ON 100% Protein. The both Super chocolate and Vanilla. It worked great for me. Has alot of Glutemine that perks your body even before you hit the gym. - Ron here

[DestinysEvolution]

i want to know if i can combine akg creatine with ATP the new one that is out now. i heard that it has suger or somthing that can lower the atp effect

can i take atp , akg creatine and fizogens on and off cycle togeher and still be good?


one last thing im thinking about taking steroids, i heard u can gain over ten pounds in a few weeks and they said u have to take more dosage later on why is that? if i take it for one year straight can i get somthing from it?
can somone tell me the best ways to take them? i thinking about taking dbol alone but i heard about stacking is much more better. how much is it do i have to spend a month if i take them

[kiltwearingwop]

i want to know if i can combine akg creatine with ATP the new one that is out now. i heard that it has suger or somthing that can lower the atp effect

can i take atp , akg creatine and fizogens on and off cycle togeher and still be good?


one last thing im thinking about taking steroids, i heard u can gain over ten pounds in a few weeks and they said u have to take more dosage later on why is that? if i take it for one year straight can i get somthing from it?
can somone tell me the best ways to take them? i thinking about taking dbol alone but i heard about stacking is much more better. how much is it do i have to spend a month if i take them
So.....where do you buy your ATP? oh yea and do you inject that is your A$$ or put it under your tongue?

[KHSBUFFBOY]

i want to know if i can combine akg creatine with ATP the new one that is out now. i heard that it has suger or somthing that can lower the atp effect

can i take atp , akg creatine and fizogens on and off cycle togeher and still be good?


one last thing im thinking about taking steroids, i heard u can gain over ten pounds in a few weeks and they said u have to take more dosage later on why is that? if i take it for one year straight can i get somthing from it?
can somone tell me the best ways to take them? i thinking about taking dbol alone but i heard about stacking is much more better. how much is it do i have to spend a month if i take them
Stay away from fizogen. you shouldnt trust a company that uses misleading marketing to draw in customers.

[Vegas Lord]

Lean mass from a protein formulation is the question. Not a single person said Mass Meal????? I'll just keep it a secret for myself. Thanks Pat and Ergo for Mass Meal. <<<<< The 1st weight gainer I have ever taken on a consistant basis. MM is the only gainer I tried and have actually gotten leaner (with diet) and gained muscle size/ fullness. Endo/Mesos choose weightgainers like it depended on your life!

[bbarbee58]

ON Gold Standard is awsome and works awsome for me.

[teymur]

If Optimum were the best protein out there, then how come it's so cheap?
Could be that it's an inferior product to NitroTech?
Yea, I heard Optimum gives you mass, but most that I saw who said that they were on OPtimum, looked a bit bulky. So, don't go for cheap product, use NitroTech. It'll give you mass, and most of all LEAN MASS !!!!!!!

[B_Master_Flash]

Noobs need to get off nitro-tech's nuts, unless you just like paying $40 for 2lbs of whey


most that I saw who said that they were on OPtimum, looked a bit bulky

And WTF is all this "optimum makes you bulky" crap?

[PaulCky411]

Pro Complex is a far supperior protein than any other, in my opinion all other are cheep blends of a lot of things your body doesnt need

I just bought a 4.4 pound bottle of this stuff... I'm waiting for it to come in the mail... ON makes it... anyone try it before??

[stri8ted1]

Ive been useing AST VP-2 Chocolate, got great gains from it, i just orderd ON 100% Whey, cant wait for it

[Khoostar]

If Optimum were the best protein out there, then how come it's so cheap?

So, don't go for cheap product, use NitroTech.

Cheaper doesn't necessarily mean that its inferior, or more expensive is better. There are many reasons why ON could be cheaper, more sales, less expenses, trade-off between market share and profit, etc.

[johno1978]

I use American Whey. I think it tastes really good in either water or milk. Does anyone have any suggestions of something that might work better?

[Weight_Lifter]

So what's the truth? Does ON 100% make you bulky? Does NitroTech make you get lean mass? Does AST really have modern whey ingredients (like they advertise)? Which one do I take just to get lean mucles?

I don't want bulky mucles that looks like fat. Whats the point of mucles if they look like fat?

[sublimejeh]

ON works for everything!!! ;)

[Another Guy]

So what's the truth? Does ON 100% make you bulky? Does NitroTech make you get lean mass? Does AST really have modern whey ingredients (like they advertise)? Which one do I take just to get lean mucles?

I don't want bulky mucles that looks like fat. Whats the point of mucles if they look like fat?
They are all just whey afterall, just that some may contain slightly more fat/carb and some contain slightly less. As long as you have a good diet, workout program, and actually worked hard, different whey proteins won't give you a significant edge. Just not buying bad quality one's!!!

[TheTruth39]

If Optimum were the best protein out there, then how come it's so cheap?
Could be that it's an inferior product to NitroTech?
Yea, I heard Optimum gives you mass, but most that I saw who said that they were on OPtimum, looked a bit bulky. So, don't go for cheap product, use NitroTech. It'll give you mass, and most of all LEAN MASS !!!!!!!

Well I geuss from now on ill buy my ON and my creatines at GNC. Makes sense I mean BB.com sells there products for like half what GNC charges so BB.coms products must be half as effective. ON is the **** Nitrotech is overpriced and it tastes like ass.

[FlyLikeABird]

for hardgainers i would say check out www.americanbodybuilding.com look at their "extreme xxl" shake (in bottle) 1090 cal 50g protien 220g carbs 1/bottle 24oz. its expensive but you get what you pay 4.


That is alot of calories im sure you could get massive gains with that. Would anyone with more experience like to comment on that protein shake? BTW im new hi lol.

[Another Guy]

What do you guys think of this "thing"
http://www.mrsupplement.com.au/australia/redbak-stacked-protein-chocolate-4kg.html

They mix HWPI, WPI, WPC, Casein, Milk Protien, Creatine, amino acids, and multi-vit/minimeal... just all the popular stuff in one go... I haven't tried it myself, but it seems interesting.

[ChrisKing]

Best protein powder is Metabolc Drive IMO. Very tasty stuff.

[johno1978]

What is ON?

[Another Guy]

Optimum Nurtrition.

[Tomaz25]

How about Champion Nutrition, Ultimate nutrition prostar whey or Designer whey. Anybody used any of those? Any good?

Thanks

[serd]

i dont have just one best powder for gaining muslce..
mine are:
1) ON Whey
2) Muscle Milk
3) a combination of the both

[PoeY]

On whey, Morning, pre workout, post,

B4 Bed Muscle milk


:)

[ecto-1]

Anyone using Ultimate Nutrition Whey Supreme? Just bought me a 5lb jug and wondering if it's any good.

[FlyLikeABird]

That is alot of calories im sure you could get massive gains with that. Would anyone with more experience like to comment on that protein shake? BTW im new hi lol.

so no one can give an insight on wether Extreme XXLL is a good protein to take it has a lot of calories? Will it just make me fat? Im 5,11 and 170lbs.

[colby giudicessi]

I have to say I have done all the proteins available and VP2 help me pack it on muscle and lose weight, and i have been eating around 3200 cals. First protein that I have used that helps the muscle and keeps off the fat. Also the first i have seen that is a pure Isolate. Nitrogen retention!!!! the more the better

[The Gootz]

Optimum 100% Whey Protein

Tastes great and you get awesome gains from it. One of the best protein powders in the game.

AGREED!!!!!

I rotate between Chocolate and Chocolate Mint

[Mikey0014]

I started lifting for the first time in my life 1 month ago, and ive gained about 20lbs from 175lb to 195lb in that time. The N-large taste great, and all the calories and protein is really good if you are looking to gain mass.

5'11'' 195lb
bench - 230lb
deadlift- 380lb
squat - 300lb

[Just_being_me]

I dont even think i could list all the proteins i've had over the years...definitly tried all the 'name brands', and have recently stuck w/ MRM Metabolic whey for my whey protein. Good price, good taste, good results.(i use abb mass recovery for post workout, great pwo blend)
For weight gainer, MHP Mass weight gainer is fav.

[dwatts]

ON for me. Cookies and Cream all the way !!

[boyscouT]

I use All The Whey 20/30 Whey Protein. CHOCOLATE!

[Prexier64]

GUYS !!! comon have you never compared the BCAA of the optimum nutrition its lower than probably all other proteins!

its concentrate protein = lower price
taste can be good but not the best quality protein

[Caesar164]

What are you guys thought on syntrax matrix, great taste 23 grams per scoop of protein, and only 140 calories per serving; also, what's the overall consensus on musclemilk?

[RedlineRider]

Hey guys I have been looking at nitro-tech could you give me the calories per scoop,etc info on it, and will it make me fat, or will it just help put on lean muscle fast
Also, does nitro-tech include those bcaa things, and have you guys seen the new nighttime nitro-tech do you think that is good to take as weel as the original during the day?

[Malbolgia]

Hey guys I have been looking at nitro-tech could you give me the calories per scoop,etc info on it, and will it make me fat, or will it just help put on lean muscle fast
Also, does nitro-tech include those bcaa things, and have you guys seen the new nighttime nitro-tech do you think that is good to take as weel as the original during the day?

Bodybuilding.com lists all the info you seek son

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mt/nitro.html

I've been buying the 10lb bag's on ON's 100% Whey for awhile now. Good stuff, Vanilla Ice Cream is versatile enough that you can mix it into many different liquids and still have good taste!

[AHood]

why is it that everyone seems to like the Optimum nutrition protein. maybe its the variety of flavors. i just looked at ON's website and it doesnt even have any real facts about there protein but if you notice is shows the fact sheet thats on the back of the bottle. the second product on the list is whey protein concentrate. this is an inferior form of protein. as a few people have said only the best protein works the best. I only use CFM ultra filtered whey its the most highly bioavailable you can get. ive recently started using a blend that contains CFM isolate, egg albumin, and micellar casein. i use this at night and in the morning and use just the CFM whey before during and after workout. ive recently reached a max squat of 500 a dead lift of 565 and a 320 hang clean.
these are my thoughts put the best in and get the best out

[Bosko]

Hey guys I have been looking at nitro-tech could you give me the calories per scoop,etc info on it, and will it make me fat, or will it just help put on lean muscle fast
Also, does nitro-tech include those bcaa things, and have you guys seen the new nighttime nitro-tech do you think that is good to take as weel as the original during the day?

you might want to rethink this as a choice
The taste is HORRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eckohb]

I like Nitro Tech actually, I love the chocolate taste, and the results i get. I take 3 scoops with milk, one in the morning, one for lunch, and one at night. so thats 60 grams of protein total. Maybe it's just me, but I like it. If you asked for my opinion, I'd try it out. It's the only protein I take.

[chris mason]

I agree a blend is best (specifically whey, casein, and egg). There is no proof, however, that micellar casein provides any greater of a benefit with respect to building muscle than does caseinate. There IS definitive proof of the benefit of casein as a protein which provides for superior net retention, but none of the superiority of micellar casein over caseinate.

[mrcamaro92rs]

Should I be using this everyday? Or just after my workout?

[Gaz1690]

Has anyone been using these products... I have started using the ProPlete Gold (description below). Would welcome any feedback on this. I am trying to build bulk and stay as lean as possible. I train 3 times a week and i am also trying to take in 3000 + cals.... is this the best Whey Product ????

"Whether you are building muscle, reducing fat, or just eating healthy, ProPlete Gold complements your diet. Every scoop contains 22 grams of pure, complete whey protein to meet your daily protein needs, and at only 4 grams of carbohydrates per serving, ProPlete Gold is ideal for carbohydrate-restricted diets.

ProPlete Gold is Aspartame-free, low in sodium, fat and sugar, and high in pure, quality protein.

Amount Per Serving:

Calories: 120
Calories from Fat: 18
Total Fat: 2g 4%
Saturated Fat: 1g 4%
Cholesterol: 60mg 20%
Sodium: 45mg 3%
Potassium: 90mg 4%
Total Carbohydrates: 4g 2%
Fiber: 0g
Sugar: 3g
Protein: 22g 44%

Ingredients:
Proplete Gold Protein Blend (microultrafiltered whey protein concentrates), natural and artifial flavors, dried banana pieces, xanthan gum, sucralose, acesulfame potassium, beta carotene.

[evosil98]

I been using egg white protein powder and has worked very well.

[Tweak]

2 questions.

1. Whatever happened to ProLab Pure Whey as being a top protein?

2. Is the ON Natural 100% Whey any better or worse than the regular ON 100% Whey?

Thanks

[no_pencil_neck]

I have gotten good results with Designer Whey. It has a good taste and mixes well. When financialy crunched, I sometimes use Body Fortress which is cheaper but has close to the same grams of protein per serving.

[no_pencil_neck]

Should I be using this everyday? Or just after my workout?

The idea is to keep as constant a flow of protein to the body as possible. The excepted rate being 0.8 - 1 g. per pound of body weight. If using it every day keeps you close to that without stuffing your face with larger meals, I would say use it every day.

[BIGbrihh]

Im pretty sure that the ON brand whey protien is the same exact stuff as GNC's pro performance line of whey protien. The only difference is the label and packaging.

[mwehrle]

Hope u have good luck with pro complex, everyone I know has had great results with it. Let me know how it works for u

[EChe07]

ive been using on whey protein for a year, and it has been really good to me. im not going to say its the best because obviously some supplements work better for people than others. i would say at least try on whey.

[pmad68]

I think NITRO-TECH is the best protein of all time because I gained
17lbs of lean mass in 6 weeks and added 45lbs to my max Bench Press
STATS:
Height-5'8''
Weight-327lbs(bodyfat% is 3%)
Barbell Bench Press-725lbs(RAW)
Dumbbell Bench Press-300lbs(RAW)(on each dumbbell)
Squat-831lbs(RAW)
Deadlift-950lbs(RAW)
Supplements I'm on:NITRO-TECH,CELL-TECH,PUMP-TECH,GAKIC,ANATOR-P70,
LEUKIC,HYDOXYCUT HARDCORE,MASS-TECH


Impressive, 327Lbs with 3 % bodyfat.

[eckohb]

damn. i didnt gain like that, but since january, ive gone from 185 on my bench to 255 (1RM) with Nitro Tech being the only protein shake that I take. It aint broke so i wont fix it

[COOP77]

2 questions.

1. Whatever happened to ProLab Pure Whey as being a top protein?

2. Is the ON Natural 100% Whey any better or worse than the regular ON 100% Whey?

Thanks
I can answer question 2: ON Natural Whey is essentially the same as regular ON Whey when it comes to the protein itself. The difference is regarding flavoring and sweeteners. ON Natural contains no artificial flavors or sweeteners (which some people may be allergic to).
Overall on this topic, if you're bodybuilding on a budget, I think ON 100% Whey is the best choice. If you can afford it, Beverly Int. Muscle Provider, and the Ergopharm GF-PRO are top of the line. Cytodyne's Cytopro WPI is a high quality economical choice as well.

The truth shall set you free.

[dontbuypete]

Bench Monster is so full of crap. 5'8'' 327 3% bf. HAHA yea right.

Let's see a pic.

[eckohb]

yeah, 300 lbs on each DB for presses is insane. Ive only seen ronnie press 200 lb DB.

[wrstlrJIM]

i like muscle milk cookies n cream it tastes pretty good but sometimes makes me sick, anyone got any other suggestions?

[EquinOX]

Ergopharm GF Pro is top quality and the numerous flavors appeal to everyone.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING

You are NOT kid'n with the GF Pro. WOW ... this is something I can feel working shortly after I down a shake. I won't buy anything else from now on. (no I do not work for or have any association with the company) FREAK'N GREAT PRODUCT!!!

[HULK81]

ON whey...simply the best

[slums attack]

on whey

[wrstlrJIM]

on whey

yeah ive got some of that too, i like it a lot, i guess ill just start drinking it again, thanks

[wrstlrJIM]

you might want to rethink this as a choice
The taste is HORRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nitro tech is sooo gross in my opinion

[Haynes213]

N-large was my favorite as far as results go, but i went thorugh way too much of it.

[nick500]

Protein is protein, it all does the same thing really - the more the better. If something absorbs 75% vs 80%, who cares, its minimal.

Personally use Dymatize elite whey and ON gold standard for taste. More WPI percentage in the ON so i guess thats better.

[Ryguy8161]

Has anyone tried Designer Whey and if so how does it compare to ON's?

[eckohb]

i just like nitro tech for the 97% whey isolate. and it has creatine and other supplements in it. and the taste is good IMO. but whatever works for me wont necessarily work for someone else.

[brainformuscle]

PrimaForce Substance WPI + Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide

[fknbig]

optinum is awesome ,I also use dorian yates mbf powder for weight gain with out the fat crap with it like all the other stuff ,and protobol 2 by all american east awesome flavor to it and it works real well for my before workout drink


Optimum 100% Whey Protein

Tastes great and you get awesome gains from it. One of the best protein powders in the game.

[mike_83]

i takin dymatize elite. works great for me.
anyone tried it be4?

[simmis_sim88]

I have tried a range of protein powers, as most of all of you of there have as well.

one hot topic, that i reckon we need to his is the Optimum Whey 100% protein powder. I am aware that it is a high quality protein, that has really good protein per servings, however, when i was using it, i didnt find any gains at all. My mate was recommended it at a health food store, and he finished it, still looking the same as he was before. Sure it has all of the essential and non essential amino acids and all, but my gains were not as evident as when i was taking....

Body Science's Mass Monster XXXL, CHoc-HOneycomb. NOt only did it mix extremely well in the shaker, it tasted awesome. Literally, i could eat the powder straight from the bucket if i were every hungry! But yeah, there were heaps more gains noticed from me taking this protein powder. All up within 4 weeks, i gained abtou 1.5kg of lean muscle.

Right now, i am on Max's HP+. Currently i am finding that i am still gaining lean muscle mass, but also slowly shedding the fat away. I would rate it any time.

But after I finish the tub, i think i may move onto Musashi's P90 or P40, or even AST's VP2. Anyone got any comments on this?

[Another Guy]

I've got some AST VP2; the BEST tasting whey so far; can't say much about gains yet since I only started using it; but I think the taste does play into some degree, it in a way helps you to swallow the bunch of protein down your throat.

[Dr_Slump]

well, anything-whey isolate will do
when bulking nlarge has the greatest balance

[joecool4579]

i like mp3 by iss

[Lookin2GetBig]

I've been taking EAS Myoplex Original its got 280 cals with 42g of protein and my supply is ending soon and I'm thinking of trying something new. It seems the majority of you are using ON's 100% Whey...how does Myoplex stack up to ON??? I've only been taking Myoplex since Nov and I'm still new to the whole supplement game..i was just doing what my trainer told me to take. Idk how to tell my strengths and gains b/c I'm new to this so everything just seems like its happening b/c im working out haha.

[T-Bird]

I used to work in retail for almost ten years and I can honestly say that all these supplements are coming from the same central manufactorar so between everything the results will certainly not be earth shattering. Heck for that matter the GNC brand of whey might be the best way to go......

I'm on whey right now anyway.

[engel_teir]

Out of all the proteins i have tried, i couldnt go past MAX's i dont think you can get it on this site, but here in australia it is the best money can buy... The Breakdown of nutrients in these products are more complete then any others i have tried... and you have no troubles downing this a few times a day, it is very smooth, no lumps or anything, and the flavour is also the best out of all the types i have tried...

I am currently using the MAX's XTG or Extreem Growth... it comes in a large range of flavours... but MAX has just changed all their products, divided them up into categories that say when it is best to take them.. i.e MAX's night time protein... available with or without carbs... NOTHING CAN BEAT IT!!!!! YUMMMY.....LOL :D

[malice]

Which is better? I've tried both and have got similar results.

SO Scientifically?

[goonies86]

any blend with dominant casein/egg or milk protein iso

[NHBBareKnuckler]

I happen to like ON’s ProComplex a lot. People say it’s a little pricie but if you look hard enough you can find it for relatively cheap.

It’s a well thought out blend of egg, casein and whey proteins. It contains 55 grams of protein in 2 scoops. With a serving of 13 BCAAs in every 2 scoop serving.

Check it out and read the container. I think it’s a hell of a lot better then CellTech. The way I have read the labels really, CellTech isn’t anywhere close to ProComplex, it just has Creatine Malate in it. Big deal! Plus ProComplex is less money, So I have no idea why people rant and rave about the other stuff…

Like I say for everything I take, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE BY TRYING IT?


Cheers!

[StevenAkaProek]

I been reading before deciding on my purchase and you know I had to go with Optimum 100% Whey Protein. I ordered two 10LBS(cholate) I wish they had Cokies and Cream in 10LBS. Previously to this I got a 2LBS Nitro Tech Advanced Whey Protetin as a birthday gift. It's good, very 1st protein I have tasted. It's just to expensive! My mom bought it for $40!

Can't wait till my order gets here!2 months suply!

[atomnext]

I use two brands,
1. Optimum Nutrition 100%, and Optimum Nutition Gainer!!!
2. Muscle Milk!!!

Works better than than other protiens I've used, tastes good, and I get this stuff at rock bottom prices without having to buy online.

[AaronX]

ON's Pro-Complex worked for me and i love the taste. :)

[GoldenFlex]

Whey sensation 8 gave me some good size and the taste is the best, but im all about On 100% whey standerd i got 20 lbs in 3 months taking 3 scoops a day

[SuperChicken]

I was surprised that there was not a single vote for T R U E P R O T E I N perhaps because wehn you type the word here on BB.com it gets censored.

Anyway it is fantastic.

SC1

[StevenAkaProek]

true protein?

[bigonprotein]

What do you guys think of 100% Whey protein? I think it's workin for me. I use to take just 1 scoop but now I take 2.5 sence theres nothin wrong with it. Anways, it's a good prtoein powder, inspecially for a starter cause that's what i started out with. I don't know what company it is though. What sucks is I just found out that your supposed to use a blender. It work's so much better than actually trying to stir one yourself with a spoon cause it doesn't do ****, it tastes nasty. I know now this whole time I've been having it nasty instead of blending it.

[djnorris]

Muscle Juice 2544 is the absolute best!

[garbage cutters]

I happen to like ON’s ProComplex a lot. People say it’s a little pricie but if you look hard enough you can find it for relatively cheap.

It’s a well thought out blend of egg, casein and whey proteins. It contains 55 grams of protein in 2 scoops. With a serving of 13 BCAAs in every 2 scoop serving.

i use pro complex as well but it is a whey and egg protein, no casein

slightly deceiving by saying 55 grams per serving when a serving is 2 scoops

so ON 100% whey protein has (24g protein / 29.4grams) = .81g protein / gram
Pro Complex has (55g protein / 68grams) = .808g protein / gram

Basically they offer the same amount of protein per gram, pro complex just deceives with the serving size. I do recommend it over ON 100% whey as a daytime protein source because of its slower digestion. Pure Whey protein moves through you so fast, so I just use it for PWO when you need that fast absorption and I use the pro complex when you need a protein to stick with you for longer periods.

[dude27]

i use pro complex as well but it is a whey and egg protein, no casein

slightly deceiving by saying 55 grams per serving when a serving is 2 scoops

so ON 100% whey protein has (24g protein / 29.4grams) = .81g protein / gram
Pro Complex has (55g protein / 68grams) = .808g protein / gram

Basically they offer the same amount of protein per gram, pro complex just deceives with the serving size. I do recommend it over ON 100% whey as a daytime protein source because of its slower digestion. Pure Whey protein moves through you so fast, so I just use it for PWO when you need that fast absorption and I use the pro complex when you need a protein to stick with you for longer periods.


your not supposed to use your boyfreinds jizz in there retard

[wrstlrJIM]

just bought some gold standard, hope its good, what you guys think?

[Elliptical Envy]

I believe Muscle Milk is the best for gaining muscle. It all comes down to your diet though a supplement won't make up for a bad diet or bad training.

[Ryguy8161]

Can you buy 100% ON Whey in stores?

[gogoman]

*********s NitroWhey Extreme or NytroWhey Extreme for Hardgainers is unreal. I use either of those before and after a workout, and Musclemilk about 1 hour before going to bed, as is contains micellar casein, and whey Isolate and concentrate for a one, two, three punch of fast acting protein and slow acting protein. I also use Cytodynes Z-Mass PM and stack it with 750mg of tribulus, when I dont use the muscle milk at night, as I believe it contains calcium, and calcium renders the ZMA ineffective. I use the tribulus regardless if I take the ZMA. When taking the ZMA I take about 5mg of glutamine in water, about 1 hr before the ZMA, as it has a good anti catabolic effect. I also use a multivitamin, and take 500mg of additional vitamin C 3 times a day. I use Thermadrol as a fat burner I've had good results with these products so far. My body weight is going up and my fat is going away. I'm a fairly lean 6ft 223lbs and not looking to get bigger than 230lbs.

[BDT]

I have to recommend N-Large II. I've been lifting on and off over the past 3yrs and my peak weight was 150lbs at 6'1 with 11.5" biceps, gee, can we say skinny??? Recently a Gold's Gym opened in my area and I immediately joined and decided to get serious. I started on Jan. 16 2006 and weighed in at 145lbs. With just the N-Large II and a good diet (which consisted of 3000 calories and 200-220g of protein a day), I hit 168lbs as of March 16. I began adding in other supplements and am currently taking N-Large II, Nitrix, NO Xplode, and Cell Mass and my weight varies between 172lbs and 174lbs and my biceps are slightly over 14". In three months I've gone from being called "Sticks" (my nickname on my HS Football Team), to having people come up and comment on how much more built I've become. Did I gain some fat? Of course, but nothing I can't deal with. What the label says is one thing, experience is another.

[vibe_oholic]

if i had to pick just one protien powder it would have to be Eniva's Power Pulse Protein.

20 grams of protien in one serving

all-natural purified whey protein isolates and hydrolyzates

natural source branched chain & essential amino acids

promotes cardio health

82 calories
0fat or saturated fat
cholesterol <1%
sodium 4%
potassium 160mg 5%
0 carbs
0 fiber
protein 20g 40%
calcium 80mg 8%
iron 0.6mg 3%

lactose <0.25g

no artificial colors, flavors, no stimulants

garanteed purity

vibe_oholic@enivamembers.com

[aznhtownboi]

Can you buy 100% ON Whey in stores?

yea u can

[justinhazard]

I use 4 ever fit fruit blast, chocolate flavour, lots of protein per scoop and tastes pretty decent (just finished off a 6 lb tub of tropical mango, got sick of it near the end) The chocolate tastes almost like chocolate milk (really darn close, very manageable). http://www.4everhealth.com/mrp.htm

[dmill64]

Isopure-nuff said

[FSUNolesZ]

oops dp

[FSUNolesZ]

Which is better Muscle Builder Shake out of these 3 ?!?

1) Cytosport Muscle Milk
2) BSN SYNTHA-6
3) S.A.N INFUSION

[DaleCaliente]

I believe Muscle Milk is the best for gaining muscle. It all comes down to your diet though a supplement won't make up for a bad diet or bad training.



ARE YOU SERIOUS???

Muscle Milk is crap for goons who dont know about nutrition. Its got 350 Calories and 18 grams of fat per serving. 8 Grams of saturated fat. Thats as much as a whole Hersheys bar. Just 32 Grams of protein for all that??? Might as well get a can of tuna, youll do better than that crap n save money.

[ChokeOnStrength]

Does anyone have anything to say about Precisions Iso-Pro lowcarb? It's Major Proteins include
Beta - Lactoglobulin - 44 - 50%
Alpha - Lactalbumin - 15 - 21%
Glycomacropeptides - 14 - 16%
Immunoglobulin - 9 - 10%
Bovine Serum Albumin - 5 - 6%
Lactoferrin and Lactoperoxidase .5 - 1%

Gets its prtein entirely from cold temperature processed, Cross Flow Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate and Why Protein Isolate (97%).

It's Nutrional Facts are as follows per 40 g serving.

Calories 150
Fat 0.3
Saturated Fat 0, Trans 0
Cholesterol 0
Sodium 50 mg
Potassium 153 mg
Carbohydrate 1 g
0 g Fibre, 0 g Sugar
Protein 35 g.

Also contains Alanin 1721mg
Lysine 3263mg
Arginine 662mg
Methionine 697mg
Aspartic Acid 3824mg
Phenlalanine 1026mg
Cystenine 789mg
Proline 2238mg
Glutamic Acid 6044mg
Serine 1528mg
Glycine 566mg
Threonine 2457mg
Histidine 589mg
Tryptophan 571mg
Isoluecine 2361mg
Tyrosine 975mg
Leucine 3612mg
Valine 2093mg.

This has been my first whey protein buy, since a year ago, I've noticed great strength gains and it helps me get lean... If anyone has any other experience with this and perhaps they have found better results with others, please direct me elsewhere. :)

[devries]

Hi All,

I've been wondering. I''m using gnc mega man for about 6 six weeks now, but it seems, alltough I'm training like hell, I do NOT loose any weight. I thought that gnc megaman only is a vitamin supplement and not some energiser or mussle builder. Am I wrong? For example, I train 4 times a week muay thai kickboxing en ine time I run 7 miles and I still weigh 270 pounds....
Should I stay off the megaman? The weight I feel best by is around 220 pounds.

[Lencho]

Originally Posted by envythahustla
I believe Muscle Milk is the best for gaining muscle. It all comes down to your diet though a supplement won't make up for a bad diet or bad training.



ARE YOU SERIOUS???

Muscle Milk is crap for goons who dont know about nutrition. Its got 350 Calories and 18 grams of fat per serving. 8 Grams of saturated fat. Thats as much as a whole Hersheys bar. Just 32 Grams of protein for all that??? Might as well get a can of tuna, youll do better than that crap n save money.

The guy said he thought it was best for gaining muscle, and 350 calories will help do that. And fat isn't a bad thing.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md73.htm

Here is one article that says a certain amount of saturated fat is good for you. I could post hundreds of others that back it up, and you could find hundreds that would refute it. Bottom line, there isn't any reason to call people who use Muscle Milk goons.

[Underdog1984]

what is the difference between cheap and expensive protiens anyways, there all the same, some are absorbed faster tehn others thats it. Cheap or not there all the same.

[eckohb]

not necessarily true. the quality of the protein and the different kinds of protein are important as to how they are absorbed. I wouldnt waste money on some wal mart brand protein or anything like that. ON Whey appears to have the best bang for your buck, but I like Nitro Tech. If it aint broke, dont fix it, so thats what im sticking with

[raimu83]

NItro Tech and ProM3
but it is only based on my experience, since I get good gains with those product

[kaos1988]

HDT problend. Period.

[ASH786]

Has anyone tried reflex whey? Tates as good as optium and works with my stomach. Its high in BCAA and it worked for me. Avilibale in the UK, Not sure if you can get this in the states. Ive tried a few others like Mr pro-Mass, Pro- LAbs, Dynamites but found out that you couldent even have a decent ****.

So for me its Reflex OR ONs 100%

[UK2BB]

i might try reflex whey as well since im from the uk. is starberry flavor nice? or should i just stick with chocolate. i can handle ON 100% whey but its not doing much for me although that may just be diet

[Greek God]

You need WPI, and a casein to gain muscle.

[ASH786]

i might try reflex whey as well since im from the uk. is starberry flavor nice? or should i just stick with chocolate. i can handle ON 100% whey but its not doing much for me although that may just be diet

Dont know never tried any other falvour apart from bannana. hmmmmmmmmm

[Amazin Caucasian]

substance WPI v. ON 100% Whey Gold Standard

[Underdog1984]

wut do u guys think about ultimate nutritions whey supreme. It doesnt taste that bad but it doesnt mix well with anything, even milk and its very cheap. Wut do u guys think about it.

[SwagMorris]

I tried this one protein supplement out for a long time and every pound that I weigh now I contribute to that. It is called Food and it has worked wonders for me.

[Au22Edub]

ISS ProM3 fo sho!!

[Underdog1984]

I tried this one protein supplement out for a long time and every pound that I weigh now I contribute to that. It is called Food and it has worked wonders for me.


thats halarious!!!

[sandow21]

Iron-Tek Essential Natural 100% Protein.
Has whey isolate and concentrate
Has Milk protein(micellar casein)
5lb for just $23. No better deal than this one for a blend.

[Psychoxxx]

I currently use Cytosport Cytogainer (chocolate malt and rocky road). I tried Prolab N Large 2 (chocolate) but it has too much lactose and the taste was horrible. Champion Nutrition Super Heavyweight Gainer tastes great but also has too much lactose.

[Eomer]

AST's VP2 is the only protein worth using. It's

- the only 100% hydrolyzed peptide isolate
- contains 'bio active' peptide ioslates
- contains 23.5g of protein per scoop
- 0.5g fat
- less than 0.5g sugar
- Glutamine enchanced

It's scientifically proven to increase mass more than 615% than other proteins, and increases Type 2 fibres by 543%.

I'm not invovled with AST in any way, other than buying there products. I've been using it for around 6 months, for the odd time i'd train, but lately ive been training properly and im using it with NY-Tro and Muscle XGF and you see results every week. I've been using it properly for a week nearly, and already ive put on about 2-3 pounds.
There's so many companies out there that talk complete bull****, they try and pack as much key words into there products to sound great, but they are absolutely useless.
Generally im skeptical about companies in this business, but i came across AST through there website and read there research and Q&A for around a year before trying theyre products. I suggest you take a look at there website if your wanting to learn anything about exercise science.

[DinoT1985]

Out of the proteins I've used, I got the best from Tropicana Ultra Heavyweight Protein (http://www.phoenixathletic.com/store/Tropicana-Ultra-Heavyweight-Protein-296.htm)

I'm currently on Weider's Muscle Builder (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/weid/mb.html) and was on it before my 3 month hiatus from weight lifting. It seems to be ok, but nothing special.

I've also used Amino Research LeanMass Protein (http://www.nutrisport.co.uk/estorepro/proddetail.asp?productid=LM&catid=1)
but it was crap.

Next will be getting Dorian Yate's ProPeptide.

[6packattack]

this **** is pretty good, guy. it has alot of protein and essential vitamins, problem with alot of on whey is there is no vitamins. instone has multi's, protein and soluble fiber which is good for cholestrol, and other great nutritional supplements. i like on whey also though, don't get me wrong. but in body building in order to build the perfect body, u need the perfect supplements this one works for me.

[iDesign]

Most of you people are far too concerned about taste, putting quality and results second (most, not all I said). I've tried plenty, but I've been using Nitro-Tech for almost 6 months now and can't ever see myself switching again.

Works great for me and I actually like the taste. If guys like Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, Johnnie Jackson, David Henry, and Gustavo Badell all use it then I say 'good enough for me'.

And yes they actually use it, not just pose with it for ads. Nitro-Tech costs more but it works, so I deal with it.

[SupaSharpShootr]

I have just started buidling my body out... so for starters i was suggested 100% Whey from Muscle Systems which is supposed to be the cheapest product on the shelves and the most nutritious content of all. This was indicated to me by LTP, whose is in some ways my Idol and an old friend. Thanks Buddy..

What i was wondering is EAS Myoplex a better choice since some bouncers of a night club who work out at my local gym tell me that Myoplex is a waste of money, since its not that efficient as Muscle Systems..

Im really lost and dont hav much time coz in a few days my muscle systems supply is running out..so can anyone suggest how to make the right decision, i have just started working out 3 weeks ago. im just a freshie into the BB world..

[Synister]

ON whey is like crude oil, try Beverly muscle provider or American Whey.

Who ever said that ON makes you bulky should try some cardio and maybe some hi rep. super sets

As far as MR .327 lbs with 3% body fat and 725 lbs bench at 20 years old, if you are what you say, you should not only be the poster boy for every supplement you are taking but the poster boy for Upjohn and chinese GH.

[ps2cho]

Micell edge right before sleep every night - no other protein. Gained 20lbs in bench in 3 and 1/2 weeks. Best i've ever had.

[colby giudicessi]

I have tried many diffrent supplements over the years, from Optimum, to Met-rx and everything inbetween. The only protein that has stood up for me over time has been AST's VP2. I have zero stomach issues, and a noticeable increase in muscle mass and decrease in fat. Optimum nutrion even changed their formula to include more Isolate to copy AST's VP2. Copying is the highest form of flattery. Their label use to list concentrate as their first ingredient now it is Isolate, and their adds are screaming it loud and clear. Funny, it is the same message AST has been saying, for what 18 years or so...

[Gemini Syntax]

Great topic. I'm getting ready to order more protein and I usually go with ON, but I'm willing to try something else. I looked through this whole thread and didn't see All The Whey's products mentioned - anyone use any ATW stuff? How was it and all that?

Also, I'm considering MSM's 10-lb bag too. Anyone have anything more to say about that?

Thanks!

[187TKD]

i take maximuscle promax extreme its a british company i think so many of you may not have heard of it so far ive gained alot of muscle and ive been training since march and put on a lot of muscle and dropped fat too

[vincenzo234]

i tried AST VP2 , ON Whey and GNC Whey

GNC's products are horrible
Optimum nutrition is good for that money but if the money is not a problem
AST VP2 is far by the best protein i have ever used esp. anabolic effects.

[fogie13]

PVL Whey gourment's the swizzlestick...peanutbutter choc and orange creamsicle. great quality powder with isolates 1st on ingredients list, amino profile's good, but pricey. Like i've been saying for what? years?? invade Canada (...jokes)
Try scoop of choc peanutbutter per serving of reg. rolled oats oatmeal and some splenda if you've got a sweettooth.

[dolphin1]

has anyone here ever tried the Labrada brand protein powder. It comes with an awesom 60g of protein (2 scoops) and the vanilla ice cream flavor is the best tasting protein that i have ever tried.

[187TKD]

heres a link to the the protein i take tell me what you guys think of it

http://store.maximuscle.com/epages/maximuscle.storefront/446f58f2006842de273fac1001b10676/Product/View/EXTB

[Anji]

I had use many protein powders before from different brands, at the end I stay with Universal Real Gains when I pretend to bulk, and Ultimate Stack (Spanish line) Super Protein 90% when I’m on a cut.

Two great products, to me personally results

Props

[FSUNolesZ]

BSN Syntha-6
Produces delicious protein drinks that don’t leave you feeling “stuffed”
Sustained Release: Up to 7 hours of amino acid and nitrogen activity
Multi-Functional A.M.-P.M. Protein Blend: 6 different ultra-premium proteins
Active Protein Utilization Enzymes: Improves protein digestion efficiency
Fortified with BCAAs and other Dietary Essential and Non-Essential Amino Acids
MCTs: Fast-burning energy source
Glutamine Peptides
A serving of Syntha-6 is a good source of fiber
Contains no aspartame or added sugar

http://www.bsnonline.net/new/products/products_expanded.php?id=834266006205

[FSUNolesZ]

I currently use Cytosport Cytogainer (chocolate malt and rocky road). I tried Prolab N Large 2 (chocolate) but it has too much lactose and the taste was horrible. Champion Nutrition Super Heavyweight Gainer tastes great but also has too much lactose.

I have been meaning to try this Cytogainer...how is it? Is it too fatty if I'm not trying to bulk? I currently use BSN Syntha-6 as my 'multi-protein' powder & I also use a cytosport/ctyomax supplement called 'Pre-Formance' for Pre Workout Protein...and I just use ON Whey for Post Workout Protein.

[Deleted1147]

I actually liked ON's Serious Mass. It tasted great, mixed well, and definately helped me add some size.

[Replica]

Russian Bear:
Great taste
Great results
Doesn't give any bloating
Overall, great product and I will continue to buy it for my protein powder.

[gonnabebigtoday]

yes i currently use Cytogainer too. I used that and various Gnc products so I haven't got too far into different proteins other then reviews i hear about various ones but the cytogainer was by far the better one and for a bulk one serving serves up 900 cals. I tend to use more milk and some peanut butter to up it to 1200 cals. O and also it taste great i use the vanilla and its superb

[Psychoxxx]

I have been meaning to try this Cytogainer...how is it? Is it too fatty if I'm not trying to bulk? I currently use BSN Syntha-6 as my 'multi-protein' powder & I also use a cytosport/ctyomax supplement called 'Pre-Formance' for Pre Workout Protein...and I just use ON Whey for Post Workout Protein.

It should be fairly OK if you work on your abs regularly. There are only 3g of fat per serving. You may take less than 4 scoops per serving if you wanna try it out 1st. I guess a little bit of fat is probably a necessary evil in the process of gaining weight by drinking a weightgainer shake.

[mjcrna]

I've "read" some excellent things about the AST VP2. I've been a lurker for quite some time, I've learned quite a bit from you guys. I've been on Muscle Milk and I really love the "taste" and I've had some great results with it. However, I don't like the amount of Fats ie saturated fats with half the calories coming from Fat. I know they say "good fats" (their canola oil and proprietary betapol blend of veggy oils i guess), but I'm not a big fan still.
What I plan to do to cut the amount of muscle milk i drink (i still love it and wanna use it for the casein aspects), but i wanna cut back to one scoop of it and finish off my protein "dosing" with the AST VP2. This may be dumb but Its what i plan to try. I was gonna just use Cyto's evopro, but why not go for the best (VP2) in my hybrid protein concoction. I'll let ya'll know how it tastes and what i think about the gains etc . . ..

[infamousDJ]

i just got ON 100% Whey Protein, but i want to know how often i should take it?

everyday? or just on days i work out?

[Majestic 12]

I cant begin to describe how many protein powders I've tried. MuscleMilk, Syntha 6, every damn one that ON makes. And so far the best one I've found is MBI's Synergy protein. I like it the best for three main reasons. 1. It's time released and contains whey, egg, and casein isolates. And note they are all isolates no concentrates! 2. It has 56 grams of protein which is the highest potency protein on the market. 3. It comes in 5.5lbs at a reasonable price and tastes awesome. It has the best $/grams of protein on the market.

[jadebellant]

Russian Bear:
Great taste
Great results
Doesn't give any bloating
Overall, great product and I will continue to buy it for my protein powder.

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I'd have to give Russian Bear a thumbs up as well.

[FSUNolesZ]

What is the name of the supplier? I'll check it out. I was on MM...obviously changed after learning more about the fat, take syntha 6 now...love it...but i'll look into the Synergy protein


I cant begin to describe how many protein powders I've tried. MuscleMilk, Syntha 6, every damn one that ON makes. And so far the best one I've found is MBI's Synergy protein. I like it the best for three main reasons. 1. It's time released and contains whey, egg, and casein isolates. And note they are all isolates no concentrates! 2. It has 56 grams of protein which is the highest potency protein on the market. 3. It comes in 5.5lbs at a reasonable price and tastes awesome. It has the best $/grams of protein on the market.

[xxxwebgodxxxx]

On 100% Whey Protein, Tastes Awsome With Waterrr

[Dahitman24]

I've "read" some excellent things about the AST VP2. I've been a lurker for quite some time, I've learned quite a bit from you guys. I've been on Muscle Milk and I really love the "taste" and I've had some great results with it. However, I don't like the amount of Fats ie saturated fats with half the calories coming from Fat. I know they say "good fats" (their canola oil and proprietary betapol blend of veggy oils i guess), but I'm not a big fan still.
What I plan to do to cut the amount of muscle milk i drink (i still love it and wanna use it for the casein aspects), but i wanna cut back to one scoop of it and finish off my protein "dosing" with the AST VP2. This may be dumb but Its what i plan to try. I was gonna just use Cyto's evopro, but why not go for the best (VP2) in my hybrid protein concoction. I'll let ya'll know how it tastes and what i think about the gains etc . . ..

I was on the same protein for a while and loved the taste just not the results. I switched over to the AST VP2 and the Nytro Pro 40 for the more sustained realease protein. My gains in the past two months have been the best that I have had. All my lifts are up but more importantly I have added an inch to my arm size and lost 5 % body fat. Try it out. For those going to GNC go somewhere else and save a couple of bucks! Good luck with your stack.

[ucablca]

I read this thread amongst others on this forum and I feel like crap because I've been using nothing but GNC products (Anabolic kit, Multi-vitamin, CLA, flax seed, Mega Whey Protein) and many people here don't like their products. I feel like I should definitely try some new stuff after reading the info on this site.

Anyhow, I'm new when it comes to supplements so I don't really know if a lot of the effects are simply placebo driven, but I've been taking GNC Mega Whey Protein for the last couple months as well as the aforementioned supps, and I've made gains. I've gained some weight (I'm 6'2" and I went from 195lbs - 207lbs in two months) but I look and feel a lot better (not to mention I'm stronger of course) and that counts for something. I've been taking 60g of the protein once after every workout and it seems to work. I'd like to possibly drop some pounds and just maintain around 205 while adding lean muscle mass. Maybe a protein change would help me to acheive that.

[pricheal]

I'm new to this what do you think about Muscletech's Nitro-Tech?

[bubujone35]

hey guys i just picked up some russian bear today from the vitamin shoppe. any of you tried this product out there? ive heard some good things from it. im currently 17 and 155 pounds. ive been eating alot of food, and i went from 135 to 155 but i havnt gained anything for around 3 weeks now. i tried eating more food, but im currently eating 5 meals a day and this is hard enough to do with school and all the other things going on in life.

just some info on the product


it has 2600 callories and 184 grams of protein with 0 fat. now i find this a little bit too much to be adding ontop of my diet, so im thinking about just cutting the serving in half and doing it that way.

so any feedback on this product?

[jules_d1]

Hey. I used to use an Australian brand called Aussie Bodies Perfect protein which I enjoyed but then decided to give ON 100% a try. I bought the 10lb double choc as it is a similar price to what I usually pay. It was usually more expensive as i live in australia but its suddenly come down in price...hope it stays.

Firstly, I love the taste. Aussie bodies was great but ON is awesome too! I can just mix it alone with milk and it tastes like chocolate milk. When i mix it in my PWO with lime gatorade its a different taste but still awesome. Just got to get used to it...might try it with berry gatorade.

I would definatley say this is the best bang for you buck!

Does anyone else feel kinda guilty when they open the bag/tub and get a smell of that awesome chocolate smell? It smells too good to be healthy.

No I am not a rep for ON....just a happy user.

[Groper305]

This has to be the ultimate protein in existence!! Ergopharm GF Pro is like 10 percent protein serum and this is 100%, nothing even comes close.

[seminole]

BSN Syntha-6

http://www.bsnonline.net/new/products/products_expanded.php?id=834266006205

I have been using *********'s Nytro-Whey Extreme with decent results. I just switched to Syntha-6 a month or so ago, and now I see stretch marks on my biceps where there were non before. Of course I changed routine a little too, so that could have something to do with it also.

[the op]

ive been using IDS smart gainer for like 6 months now


i refuse to use anything esle but this stuff, it tastes sooooo fuking good its not even like a protein drink, i just drink it cuz its taste sometimes

2 scoops, instead of 6 like some gainers and u get like 700 cal without milk, 51 g pretein, mad bcaas, creatine, etc

ive gone from like 165 to 190ish with it, and thats when i ate like crap too

its illllll.....................

[Kill_Switch]

ive been using IDS smart gainer for like 6 months now


i refuse to use anything esle but this stuff, it tastes sooooo fuking good its not even like a protein drink, i just drink it cuz its taste sometimes

2 scoops, instead of 6 like some gainers and u get like 700 cal without milk, 51 g pretein, mad bcaas, creatine, etc

ive gone from like 165 to 190ish with it, and thats when i ate like crap too

its illllll.....................

Does it mix easily?

[curly2004]

ISO Pure Mango Peach

[pwdc]

I have been using for 6 months now Matrix 5.0. Tastes great, really, best tasting protein i have tried yet. It is a sustained release protein, whey, milk and egg, but they wont tell me how much of each, I called :). I am going to call and ask if they have any info on serum levels of their product to back up the "sustained release" claim. Not that I dont believe them, I am just an "inquiring mind". BUT I like the product, and in principle it seems to be a quality product, for a reasonable price.

[dmillz224]

ON's pro complex gainer is by far the best it mixes easy and taste great i use the double chocolate no lumps just shake for 45 seconds

[Destroya]

Optimum Nutritions Pro Complex APS and Pro Complex Gainer seems to be the most effective protiens. There amino acid profiles are awesome and you can get great strength and mass from them.

[tombstone3@cox.net]

If nutrional labels and the description of how it's made say anything then are a lot of quality protein supplements that should deliver the same results if used the same way. I doubt if ON's gold standard is any better than let's say Dymatize's elite whey protein or many others with hydrolyze/isolate/concentrate formulas. I say if the nutritional labels show close amounts and describe that it's made the same way then just drink what you think tastes better.

tomb

[naturaldad]

If nutrional labels and processing methodology are any indication there are a lot of quality protein supplements that should deliver identical results if used the same way. I seriously doubt for instance if ON's gold standard really is any better than let's say Dymatize's Elite Whey protein or any number of other competitors with hydrolyze/isolate/concentrate formulas. I say if the labels show very similar values and production methods then just drink what you think tastes better.

tomb
Agreed, but balance that with what you can afford. There are quite a few out there that charge simply for the label, and quite a few more that are unbelievably inexpensive. Mostly similar stuff.

[Destroya]

I think to many people overlook Pro Complex blend of awesome proteins and it's unmatched amino acid profile.

[coltnon]

Optimum 100% Whey Protein. Been getting solid gains with it, and the Cookies & Cream tastes awesome.

I just got the cookies and cream wow I taste like crap maybe something is wrong with mine, almost makes me gag! the strawberry is ok also got solid gains.

[coltnon]

I just got the cookies and cream wow I taste like crap maybe something is wrong with mine, almost makes me gag! the strawberry is ok also got solid gains.

I mixed it with milk today, the cookies and cream its a little better, well useable, I know this is about best working, bu given my last comment thought I'd throw that in there.

[pyr0maniac]

N-Large 2. LOL joking.

AST VP2 is by far a superior protein powder. Until I was getting absolutely no resulsts until I discovered AST Sports Science and now I place complete faith in them, and they have not dissapointed me yet.

[hYPER RAIDEr]

i take ON Whey Gold Standard and Mass Pro. I like Mass Pro better but its more expensive so I use the ON Whey to fill in the gaps during the day.

[Destroya]

N-Large 2. LOL joking.

AST VP2 is by far a superior protein powder. Until I was getting absolutely no resulsts until I discovered AST Sports Science and now I place complete faith in them, and they have not dissapointed me yet.

Yeah I read all about their stuff and they have science and studies to back their stuff up. I will have to try their proteins.

[Jonesy_5603]

of all the protein ive tried, my favorite would have to be Ultimate Nutrition Isopreme whey, its loaded with amino acids and for the serving size it is very high in protein

[ChampionFX]

Please ,
can anyone post more info on Russian bear 5000 ?
How on earth they packed in something like this ?

Highlighted Facts:
Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer is the only weight gain formula to contain Zero Fat content. Lean Mass and density is the only way to go. Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer contains the highest calorie content for body building or those who just want to gain weight. Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer contains the highest protein content of 292 grams per serving. Each serving is equivalent to 292 gram capsules of tablets of amino's. Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer provides the highest biological quality pharmaceutical grade proteins; non-fat milk solids and egg white (albumin). Russian Bear 5000 Weight Gainer provides a mega 46 grams of MCT's. MCT's cannot be stored as body fat and retards muscle glycogen from being used during normal activities enabling you to have more energy within muscle tissue for hard training sessions and recuperation. Russian Bear 5000 Weight
Gainer contains the most potent vitamin and mineral formula including anabolics such as Colostrum; Sikadeer Antler powder; Boron; Eleutherococcus; Inosine HXR; and much more! Soviet & USA Anabolic Profile Per Serving: Yohimbe Bark1500mg; Sikadeer Antler Powder500mg; Schizandra Chinensis500mg; Eleutherococcus1000mg; Inosine HXR500mcg; Colostrum400mg; Boron3mcg; Chromium Picolinate200mcg; Typical Amino Acid Profile Per Serving In Water: L-Isoleucine10540mg*; L-Arginine7135mg*; L-Leucine14467mg*; L-Aspartic Acid4112mg; L-Lysine14352mg*; L-Cystine5957mg; L-Methionine5023mg*; L-Glutamic Acid38124mg; L-Phenylalanine9232mg*; L-Glycine7148mg; L-Threonine8427mg*; L-Tryptophane2180mg*; L-Histidine4766mg*; L-Tyrosine11904mg; L-Proline11720mg; L-Valine12512mg*; L-Serine6725mg; Alanine1013mg; [* The Ten essential amino acids.] The L-Tryptophane in this product is naturally present in the protein. It is of the food source and not added or manufactured.

What is Vitol company ? is it safe to take this ?
Why is this quite cheap comparing to others ?
4 lbs. around $20.70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! confused :-(

Thank you for reply

[punkguy424]

Hey, i'm new to the site and fairly new to suppliments. I've been taking GNC's Mega Whey Protein for about 2 months now (tastes great) and gives you about 50g of protein per shake. now after reading everyone's testimonies i'm pretty sure i'm gonna switch over to the AST VP2. I mean I have gained a bit of muscle/weight (from 135lbs to 143lbs at 5"11) ya i'm skinny. but i've also been taking Kre-Alkalyn pills so some of the gain could be due to that.

Mostly wondering, it says per serving for the AST VP2 has 24g of protein. how would this benifit me if right now im' taking a shake that gives me 50g of protein per serving? I undrestand that its because of the grams (ie the AST is only 32g per serving where my protein powder is 51g at about 120g...but thats probably because its also to help build mass since i'm skinny) but i've decided to screw the mass building protein and i'll try and get the mass from just eating a bit more healthy food.

so basically, will I be getting enough protein out of the AST VP2? I'm sure the answer is yes because its so popular lol, just curious as to the difference since you're suppost to take 0.9g/lb or something. just wondering if this means instead of taking my shake 1-2 times a day which i do know, would I need to take it 3-4 times a day to suppliment the loss in protein?

Also i see most people are taking the Ny-Tro Pro-40 with it. is this extremely benificial? I'm from Canada and our prices are a bit steeper here. So i'll conside getting that at well if it befefit me greatly. but if not i'd like to know if just the AST VP2 will be ok since i'm still paying for gym membership a month, kre-alkalyn, multi vitamins and going to school lol.

sorry for the lengthyness, just trying to be detailed :)

[RoD1981]

dear all,
im new to bodybuilding...ive lost a lot of weight of late....and confused regarding which powder to use....and ur comments have made it even more difficult 4 me to decide.....guys plz guide me....ON or nitro

[double_down]

Hey everybody, new here. Just wondering, anyone else ever use Amplify XL Protein Blend? I just started using it a little while ago. Like it or hate it, good or crap? Thanks.

[Jinthe1st]

Dear lord, this thread is disorganized. --;;

All I have is MuscleMilk. Meh. I could do with something like 100% ON, But MuscleMilk seems to work for me. I just wish there was a bit more protein...

[RoD1981]

hi frnds,
id also like to add to my previous thread...that ive herd of another 1 called MDY Amino Explode....has ne tried it or heard bout it...do lemme know....
anothey thing is that ppl say whey has a lota fat content. .is that right??? coz i wan a lean body and not a bulky 1....so guys plz help me out...plz suggest the best prtien supplement for me....thnx a ton....also if i use just 1 box of 5lbs of ne protien and then quit takign it...will i still retain my muscularity...??????

[willy008]

iv been using Body Ripped -Wheypeptide Fortified protien powder
it seem's to work good for me...

[mariobros]

im gonna start taking protein, should i try muscle milk or ON 100%
oh and which flavor is the best tasting

[Saved|Tru.8]

Six Star Body Fuel anyone?
20 g's protein like 13$ i seen a few added pound for it ^^

[therickpman]

check out the link. it says it all..
http://www.chlorellafactor.com/chlorella-spirulina-07.html

[RoD1981]

this thread is bull ****....
all u big guys out there.....o\u need to us out ...we're nebies....u guys r more experienced....i wan summing that has more protiens and very less fat and calories.....guys plz help me pout if u can....

[DaveGabe24]

Now, just curious, how many of you have these shakes more than 3 times a day? Curious if you notice gains, because I was just reading that having tons of whey isn't all that great because of its fast digestion factor. I am looking for somethin that is reasonable to take maybe 2-4 times a day since it's very hard for me to eat a good six meals a day because of work and training for soccer.

[Saved|Tru.8]

I used six star cheap stuff for a month and taking it 2-3 times a day... pre/post workout and mornings.... works fine IMO.

[A&M William]

Cytogainer by Cytosport worked very well for me and tastes quite good with milk. My bench went up from about 265 to 370 in 7 months. My weight also went up from 175 to 191

[deadaim]

UMMM YEAH how about FOOD PROTEIN haha. The best kind of protein you can get is from food IMO. Although whey is obviously terrific post workout

[Forcedoutage]

I like a good blend of egg whites and Ion Exchange Whey.

Eclipse 2000 Ion exchange Whey and Bioplex Simply Whites one scope of each 1-2 times a day.

Post work out I alternate Muscle Link Recover x and Natures Best Isopure Mass.

Can't handle Lactose, so this works best for me. The Recover X has lactose, but i sacrafice every other month because it works real well as a post formula.

[KillerTA]

BIG TIME P.O.S!
Body Fortress is no good? Is it just the taste that's bad or is it not effective in gaining mass?

[NorCALSpeed]

i like the taste of optimum 100% whey with milk.

Is it true the carbs from milk slow the pickup of whey?

Muscle milk gave me amazing gains a few years ago, but its really expensive.

[eekrazyk]

I've tried several different protein powders, mass gainers and MRPs. Here's a few:

Prolab N-Large - Worked great as a weight gainer. Tastes great. Doesn't mix very well.

EAS Myoplex Deluxe - Works well. Tastes like chalk. Doesn't mix well at all unless you use a blender, but then it gets a little foamy.

Designer Whey - Works great! Tastes Great! Mixes good with a blender.

ON 100% Whey GOLD Standard - Seems to work well. Tastes great! Mixes great! I started on this because it was ranked the number 1 seller on the BB.com store and has a great price per gram.

I think it's up in the air as far as which worked better for me between Designer and ON.

I'm also using Designer Whey's Optibol for my before-bed blend. Tastes great and seems to work.

[Eur0MX]

Optimum Nutritions Pro Complex APS and Pro Complex Gainer seems to be the most effective protiens. There amino acid profiles are awesome and you can get great strength and mass from them.

Awesome, Im looking to gain weight and as soon as im done with the 100% whey protein, im gonna switch to that!

[NorCALSpeed]

anyone know about the milk/whey interaction for muscle building?

[Seth25]

anyone know about the milk/whey interaction for muscle building?
Milk is going to slow the digestion of whey. Mix it with water post workout or first thing in the morning

[NorCALSpeed]

I use to use milk with my shakes when im bulking because it adds calories. id do milk, whey, oats, and PB. is there a better combo if the milk slows the uptake of whey? i dont like the idea of mixing PB and oats in a blender with water.