19 nor-diol question

[oldgymrat]

any other ladies use this?? wfie is going to try it for the first time, our biggest concern was does it interfer with a females menses? what wuold be the recommended start time? thanks for the help, niether of us has ever used this one before, so any advance advice would be appreciated..

[Big Cat]

Any type of hormonal treatment can influence the menstruation. Start out at 600 mg per day (3x200 mg) and see how she reacts to it. I really don't recommend the use of prohormones to women, just so we are clear on that.

[freaker]

Don't you think that's a pretty heavy dosage for a woman. I'm a male, and I have never even taken that much per day.

[Big Cat]

Anything lower than that wouldn't even work. This would only give you around 3 mg of nandrolone a day ...

[freaker]

I thought diols converted better than 5%. That's a damn low conversion rate. Myself, as well as many of my friends have had excellent results from using a combination of 300 mg 19 nor4-androstenediol and 200 mg 19 nor4-androstenedione per day. I just looked back at some older posts and there was a woman who claimed to get excellent results from just 30 mg a day of transdermal 19 nor4-androstenediol.

[Big Cat]

I'm estimating at 10-15%. Don't forget their oral availability is only 4-6%.

[freaker]

I thought the conversion rate covered oral availability. I'm sure the availability on the stuff I used was much better than 4-6%, so maybe that's why I never needed more than 500 mg a day. Still at 15% conversion and 20% availability, the girl who was using 30 mg a day of transdermal 19 nor4-androstenediol was only getting 1 mg a day of nandrolone.

[Big Cat]

Most steroid hormones have 4-6% availability, 1AD and 1-test have about 14-18% and 1,4-andro has almost 45%. But those are the only exceptions.

[freaker]

I thought that was only oral availability. I figured better delivery systems had better availability. For instance I've heard transdermals and some of the Molecular Nutrition stuff like 3-Alpha and 1-T Ethergels have 20-45% availability. To all the women: sorry to clog up your forum with stuff that belongs in the supplements section, but the thread was originally talking about PH usage in a woman.

[Big Cat]

Transdermals, regardless of the product have some 20% availability. The ethergels and other ester and ether products there is no exact data on. But early results suggest the increase isn't as much as initially hoped.

[oldgymrat]

thank you gentlemen, we do appreciate your time and knowledge...let me report to you what we have done...she started taking the pills per the directions, with meals and some fats, since i guess the liver processes these supps and decreases thier effectiveness...supposedly fats help with this, she took two pills daily, morning and evening dropping the entire pill in a 1/2 teaspoon of olive oil...after 12 days she had gained about 7 pounds and she got harder than she already is...she does compete at the NPC level..then, she tore a trap muscle, pretty good too, so she has to stop lifting upper body for about 4 weeks so rather than waist the pills she stopped...but from the 12 days she took them, things were going well...thank you again for the advice...

[freaker]

That's the problems with PHs or steroids for that matter. The muscles get too strong for the tendons and often times tear. I tore my left pectoral muscle 3 months ago. It happened about 3 weeks after finishing a PH cycle.