tren-2 xtreme am i natural or not?

[ffmiles26]

Quick question, im going to be entering a bodybuilding comp later this year, and am currently taking the above named product by synthetic science labs. i cannot find much literature on it and the comps ive been researching are mostly tested natural ones in my area. i was wondering if anyone could give me insight into this product and/or tell me if it will show up in a urinalysis screening. thanks a bunch guys,

cheers. miles

[amerigovespucci]

if you bought it OTC your natural, im sure its just another over priced crappy placebo, that does nothing to your hormones

[njmuscle66]

Quick question, im going to be entering a bodybuilding comp later this year, and am currently taking the above named product by synthetic science labs. i cannot find much literature on it and the comps ive been researching are mostly tested natural ones in my area. i was wondering if anyone could give me insight into this product and/or tell me if it will show up in a urinalysis screening. thanks a bunch guys,

cheers. miles

What is the chemical strucutre on the active ingredient. It depends on the organization on whether it is banned or not. NGA and NPC (according to a promoter) still allow OTC products like this. Also keep in mind those org use polygraph as the primary testing mechanism. Without knowing the ingedients I am inclined to think you would test postive if given a urinalysis (dependent on how long it remains in your system)

You planning on doing the NPC Natural RI?

[Cape1]

if you bought it OTC your natural, im sure its just another over priced crappy placebo, that does nothing to your hormones

This isn't really true. I can go to my local supplement store and buy all kinds of goodies that are banned at just about every natural organization out there. I could run down the list but I'll save the space.

My advice, if the **** really works, it's likely banned; if it doesn't work, it's a waste of money anyway ;).

Seriously, take a read of the label and see what choice of toxic, poisonous garbage your supplement company used, then see if it's banned.

[tvicemanXXL]

This isn't really true. I can go to my local supplement store and buy all kinds of goodies that are banned at just about every natural organization out there. I could run down the list but I'll save the space.

My advice, if the **** really works, it's likely banned; if it doesn't work, it's a waste of money anyway ;).

Seriously, take a read of the label and see what choice of toxic, poisonous garbage your supplement company used, then see if it's banned.

The problem with your argument is that different natural organizations ban different substances, and many of the substances are NOT hormone manipulators. More and more, the field of supplements is becoming a heap of mud in which companies try to exploit the gray area's of what is or isn't healthy and legitimate.

[Cape1]

The problem with your argument is that different natural organizations ban different substances, and many of the substances are NOT hormone manipulators. More and more, the field of supplements is becoming a heap of mud in which companies try to exploit the gray area's of what is or isn't healthy and legitimate.

The point I was making is that a supplement can still be banned regardelss of whether it was purchased OTC. Read the quote to which I was responding to understand the context of my reply.

[ffmiles26]

What is the chemical strucutre on the active ingredient. It depends on the organization on whether it is banned or not. NGA and NPC (according to a promoter) still allow OTC products like this. Also keep in mind those org use polygraph as the primary testing mechanism. Without knowing the ingedients I am inclined to think you would test postive if given a urinalysis (dependent on how long it remains in your system)

You planning on doing the NPC Natural RI?

yea im planning on doing npc natural ri in october and im working my balls off, diet, nutriton, program and supps all in line i just hope i havent screwed myself now,

i also have the chemical structure for all you chemists out the, see if this can shed some light on the topic

19-norandrosta-4,9 diene-3, 17 dione
vanadyl sulfate
bioperine

thats what the label reads and thanks again

[jth16]

What you've taken is a prohormone, so no, not natural.
You should probably have some type of PCT planned if you're still on cycle. The product your taking is a FinigenX clone...



19-Norandrostenedione (19-Nor-4-androsten-3,17-dione)
Target Hormone: 19Nortestosterone (nandrolone)
Molecular name of target hormone: 17?-hydroxy-19-nor-4-andro-sten-3-one
Target conversion: average (5.61 %)
Conversion enzyme: 17-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (17HSD)
DHT conversion: None
Estrogenic effects: possibility of aromatisation of the compound as well as the target hormone.
The first prohormone to convert to nandrolone in the body. It yields roughly 5.61% percent of nandrolone from the amount ingested, which is decent. It's a dione version meaning there is a risk of estrogen aromatisation prior to conversion, but it's only moderately androgenic and more anabolic than andro because it yields more available nandrolone than andro does testosterone. Obviously it doesn't measure up against Nor-diol, but with andro being out of the question for most people that means it's often stacked with 4-diol or 5-diol. If you are using these as the hinges of your stack, obviously your 3-beta enzymes will be stocked, meaning that if you wanted to add a low-androgen compound to your stack, 19Nor would be first choice. Obviously the risk of estrogen is minimized because the other products are diols and adding a nor for extra anabolic effects without the fear of extra androgenic side effects is always a good deal. But the only reason most companies prefer 19Nor over Nor-diol is the simple reason that Nor-diol costs three times as much to manufacture, so the economic returns are limited. Instead of being upfront about money-grubbing, they invent stuff about there being no quality Nor-diol available. AST is one company that has sunk that low. This is simply not true. Nor-diol is hard to find yes, but if you find the right brand you can expect 85-90 percent purity, and that's pretty damn good.

[DriverDan]

What you've taken is a prohormone, so no, not natural.
You should probably have some type of PCT planned if you're still on cycle. The product your taking is a FinigenX clone...
It IS a PH but it's NOT a FinigenX clone. Different compound.

Whether or not it's legal is up to the org and show organizer. This product is still legal with plenty of orgs so check with them first.

[amerigovespucci]

if you do a natural show what do they ask you on the poly test? do they ask if youve ever touched steroids, or just in preparation for this show, if you did a cycle years before do they not allow you to compete or is there a cutoff?

[njmuscle66]

if you do a natural show what do they ask you on the poly test? do they ask if youve ever touched steroids, or just in preparation for this show, if you did a cycle years before do they not allow you to compete or is there a cutoff?

once again depends on the org. Some are 3, 5 or 7.........The NPC is 1 year drug free

[ffmiles26]

i actually contacted the event organizer via email and told him what i was taking along with the chemical structure and he said no problem dont worry about it at all, so, im not gonna thanks guys

[AnthonyJL]

I was recommended to take tren 2 xtreme and stack with Halo 2 xtreme for muscle gains. Both are made by SSL ( synthetic science labs ) i was wondering if anyone has taken this stack and has any feed back. I have been lifting heavy for 6 months now and have only taken Cellmass stacked with NO Xplode. I am now looking to add muscle gains but still stay lean with hard muscle. What might be some of the side effects by taking this stack? And should i take an estrogen blocker so i dont develop what they call man boobs. Heres what the labels read.Thanks

Tren 2 Xtreme

19-Norandrosta-4, 50mg
9 diene-3,17 dione

Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg

Bioperine 5mg

Halo 2 Xtreme

17a-methyl-4-chloroandrosta-1 40mg
4-diene-3b, 17b-diol

Detox Compound 325mg

Bioperine 5mg

[IronHavoc]

I was recommended to take tren 2 xtreme and stack with Halo 2 xtreme for muscle gains. Both are made by SSL ( synthetic science labs ) i was wondering if anyone has taken this stack and has any feed back. I have been lifting heavy for 6 months now and have only taken Cellmass stacked with NO Xplode. I am now looking to add muscle gains but still stay lean with hard muscle. What might be some of the side effects by taking this stack? And should i take an estrogen blocker so i dont develop what they call man boobs. Heres what the labels read.Thanks

Tren 2 Xtreme

19-Norandrosta-4, 50mg
9 diene-3,17 dione

Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg

Bioperine 5mg

Halo 2 Xtreme

17a-methyl-4-chloroandrosta-1 40mg
4-diene-3b, 17b-diol

Detox Compound 325mg

Bioperine 5mg


Thats a pretty good stack. The tren will add mass and maybe a little water the halo should add dry lean mass and pull any water retention out from the tren. Run 4-8 weeks then a pct product for 4 weeks with an estrogen blocker in it like 6 oxo.

[jth16]

Run 4-8 weeks then a pct product for 4 weeks with an estrogen blocker in it like 6 oxo.

Bad PCT plan, should probabaly get a SERM also like Tamoxifen, Toremifene, Clomid, etc in addition to a Anti-E like 6-oxo, and a cortisol blocker. That would be a bare minimum for PCT.

[demonwareltd]

Bad PCT plan, should probabaly get a SERM also like Tamoxifen, Toremifene, Clomid, etc in addition to a Anti-E like 6-oxo, and a cortisol blocker. That would be a bare minimum for PCT.

I disagree. I've found depending on both the potency of the pro-hormone you are taking, and your individual side effects from it, you can at time gets by with an AI like the ones mentioned above. I don't know anything about this particular PH, but I just wanted to mention that not every PH requires a SERM for PCT. I don't think 3-AD which just came out needs a SERM after cycle...Don't get me wrong, it's always wise to have one on hand, in case your system goes haywire and you develop gyno or something...

[IronHavoc]

Bad PCT plan, should probabaly get a SERM also like Tamoxifen, Toremifene, Clomid, etc in addition to a Anti-E like 6-oxo, and a cortisol blocker. That would be a bare minimum for PCT.

Really,

What experience or knowledge are you basing your answer on.

I reread my post and a may not be clear, I was saying use 6 oxo in the pct not just 6 oxo for pct.

I would add a natural test booster, and a few others depending on the compound used for the cycle.

But I would not suggest a serm its simply not needed in this case.

[jth16]

I disagree. I've found depending on both the potency of the pro-hormone you are taking, and your individual side effects from it, you can at time gets by with an AI like the ones mentioned above. I don't know anything about this particular PH, but I just wanted to mention that not every PH requires a SERM for PCT. I don't think 3-AD which just came out needs a SERM after cycle...Don't get me wrong, it's always wise to have one on hand, in case your system goes haywire and you develop gyno or something...

Definitely true, I know some people who have done Phera-plex, Epistane, etc and gotten away with just using an AI and seem to have held their gains in their opinion, but I sincerely doubt everyone can do that and when messing with the endocrine system and the gains you worked so hard for, why even chance it?

[DriverDan]

I have been lifting heavy for 6 months now and have only taken Cellmass stacked with NO Xplode.
6 months of lifting isn't enough time. Keep up the lifting, try an NHA stack, and stay away from hormonal products until you have more experience (and mass).

[AnthonyJL]

Thanks for the advice all of you.
Few things. i heard that tren xtreme is going to be banned in june, any feed back on this?

Also, whats is SERM and PCT?

Driver Dan whats a NHA stack?

Thanks

[AnthonyJL]

Just figured it out.....
PCT= Post cycle treatment

[DriverDan]

NHA = non-hormonal anabolic

[AnthonyJL]

whats a good NHA stack that you would recommend?

[Rha]

i actually contacted the event organizer via email and told him what i was taking along with the chemical structure and he said no problem dont worry about it at all, so, im not gonna thanks guys


This is suppose to be a Natural Bodybuilding Comp., the supplement you have been taking up to this point is a banned supplement, you contacted the organizer and he said that you should be fine to compete and take this supplement?

Either I am reading this wrong or something just aint right!!!

I was banned from a comp for 6 months for taking the supplement Hot-Rox for 5-6 days in a Natural Bodybuilding Comp held by the INBF. Wow!

[thepacman]

This is suppose to be a Natural Bodybuilding Comp., the supplement you have been taking up to this point is a banned supplement, you contacted the organizer and he said that you should be fine to compete and take this supplement?

Either I am reading this wrong or something just aint right!!!

I was banned from a comp for 6 months for taking the supplement Hot-Rox for 5-6 days in a Natural Bodybuilding Comp held by the INBF. Wow!

NPC Natural events are much less strict then INBF.

[DriverDan]

This is suppose to be a Natural Bodybuilding Comp., the supplement you have been taking up to this point is a banned supplement, you contacted the organizer and he said that you should be fine to compete and take this supplement?

Either I am reading this wrong or something just aint right!!!

I was banned from a comp for 6 months for taking the supplement Hot-Rox for 5-6 days in a Natural Bodybuilding Comp held by the INBF. Wow!
The INBF is much more strict than most natural orgs. For example, the NGA does polygraphing and urine tests but allows ALL OTC PHs & PSs, including ones that are banned.

[CL314]

I was recommended to take tren 2 xtreme and stack with Halo 2 xtreme for muscle gains. Both are made by SSL ( synthetic science labs ) i was wondering if anyone has taken this stack and has any feed back. I have been lifting heavy for 6 months now and have only taken Cellmass stacked with NO Xplode. I am now looking to add muscle gains but still stay lean with hard muscle. What might be some of the side effects by taking this stack? And should i take an estrogen blocker so i dont develop what they call man boobs. Heres what the labels read.Thanks

Tren 2 Xtreme

19-Norandrosta-4, 50mg
9 diene-3,17 dione

Vanadyl Sulfate 10mg

Bioperine 5mg

Halo 2 Xtreme

17a-methyl-4-chloroandrosta-1 40mg
4-diene-3b, 17b-diol

Detox Compound 325mg

Bioperine 5mg



Not sure if you ever took the Tren/Halo stack or not BUT......I took the stack and just finished the PCT - and MAN!!! It's the absolute TRUTH - can you get still get it locally where you are? Can ANYONE get it locally anymore??

[romo100]

Hi everyone...

I just finished 4 weeks on Tren 2 Xtreme and T1 Xtreme (from SSL). Before starting, I tried to look for feedback online but couldnt find anything that would either really make me want to do it, or really scare me away. Few of my friends tried it wiht mixed results anywhere from ending up in ER to being really pleased with it, so I took the chance and started it (I haven't taken much supplements in the past and I was really skeptic as well).. here is how it went and I'll try and post some before and after pix.

First let me start by saying I'm NO ARNOLD and the pix here are from week 1 and week 3 (3 weeks of "transformation" if you can call it that. It is probably nothing compared to where some of you guys are, but for me, it was worth posting and I figured some others out there could get the HONEST review that they were looking for).

I started a diet at the same time and here it was throughout the 4 weeks (I did cheat here and there and worked out anywhere from 3-5 days a week - did not do any cardio whatsoever... which will change soon!)

*******Diet******

8AM: half cup oatmeal, one tablespoon raisins, one liver support pill, half tablespoon metamucil (every other day).

10AM: protein shake

Noon: El Pollo Loco chicken breast (1), and greed salad with no dressing, one liver support pill

3 PM: TrailMix bar

6:30 PM: El Pollo Loco chicken breast (1), and greed salad with no dressing, one liver support pill

workout at around 10 PM and another protein shake after workout.

I had to set my alarm on the crackberry to remind me when to eat and take the stuff, since I am not much of a pill taker and have a very busy schedule. I tried to drink close to a gallon of water every day.

*******Workout*******

Mondays: Chest
Tuesdays: Back/Bi
Wednesdays: Shoulder/Tri
Fridays: Bi/Tri (this one was done on weekends sometimes and missed once!)

*******Doseage********

Week 1: one Tren at 10AM, one 1T at 6:30 PM (at least 8 hrs. apart)
Weeks 2-4: one Tren and one 1T in the AM, one Tren and one 1T at 6:30PM (doubled dosage)

*********Gains*********

I tried to attach a pic so you could see. My strenght was REALLY improved and I went from (as an example) overhead cable triceps of 80lbs (4th set) to 150lbs (4th set).

I lost much of the belly, gained muscle and got toned (with all the muscle gain, I lost 6 lbs - from 196 to 190 in 3 weeks - I'm 5'11")

**********Side Effects (this is the part I was REALLY worried about...)*************

CRAZY EFFED UP MOOD (wanted to beat the crap out of everyone that stepped in front of me or looked at me! Got mad at everything and everyone QUICKLY and had NO patience for anything... told off some friends and stopped talking to some of the girls I was talking to... couldn't stand any BS and was just ALL OVER THE PLACE)

I did breakout on face and on my arms but nothing major (I dont usually break-out).

I have bad stomach so I knew the pills would have killed me if I didnt take liver support (took liver support throughout most of the period and will be seeing a doc once I'm done to make sure all is well...)

"LOS JUEVOS" shrank and I didn't have much desire to go out and have fun, etc. as I usually would...

I will be doing my PCT starting tomorrow and look forward to drinking again (WAS NOT DRINKING ALCOHOL throughout the period)

I will be doing cardio at least 3 times a week moving forward and want to improve the gains.. any comments and suggestion from experienced folks out there would be greatly appreciated...