Best Overall Multi-Vitamin Product? [Archive] - Page 7

terracotta

05-27-2007, 09:39 AM

Just a correction here:

That lab report is on USANA Healthpak 100 - not to be confused with the Universal AnimalPak.

Yeah, I posted only the Animal Pak results. The authors were trying to compare a similar cheaper product to the USANA Healthpak 100, and tested the Animal Pak to do so.

I have a friend (female, <150 lbs) that was taking 1 Animal Pak a day and got very serious symptoms from a B-6 overdose.

I have no interest in posting USANA. It is not found in the bodybuilding.com superstore, and it is overpriced.

Rob Awesome

05-27-2007, 09:43 AM

I just got Animal Pak for the hell of it to see what all the fuss was about. I'm impressed so far.

The only downside - swallowing 11 pills + I piss a lot more.

fleshmachine

05-27-2007, 06:10 PM

Yeah, I posted only the Animal Pak results. The authors were trying to compare a similar cheaper product to the USANA Healthpak 100, and tested the Animal Pak to do so.

I have a friend (female, <150 lbs) that was taking 1 Animal Pak a day and got very serious symptoms from a B-6 overdose.

I have no interest in posting USANA. It is not found in the bodybuilding.com superstore, and it is overpriced.

Ah, didn't see it - thanks :P

I take Animal Pak and love it. For about .50 a day I feel it's worth it. Although I have seen it priced at double what I pay :/

fleshmachine

05-27-2007, 06:12 PM

Yeah, I posted only the Animal Pak results. The authors were trying to compare a similar cheaper product to the USANA Healthpak 100, and tested the Animal Pak to do so.

I have a friend (female, <150 lbs) that was taking 1 Animal Pak a day and got very serious symptoms from a B-6 overdose.

I have no interest in posting USANA. It is not found in the bodybuilding.com superstore, and it is overpriced.

Wow 1 pak a day and OD'd? I guess at <150lbs huh... Thanks for sharing the story :)

XLEggRoll

05-27-2007, 06:23 PM

They've got every vitamin you could ever name off on the top of your head packed into one small pill. They don't taste bad and are usually really cheap. Good stuff mate.

adamjacoby

05-28-2007, 09:14 AM

Terra,

There is a good reason USANA is not sold in the BodyBuilding superstore, or any other traditional retail store. Going through all the middle-men to get your product listed for retail would be too expensive for a product of this high quality. Every step in that process adds 20%, from the production, to the national distributor, to the regional distributor, to the local distributor, and then to the retail store itself. For USANA, it is already expensive to produce USANA's multivitamin (called Essentials) b/c the company meets the very stringent Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP's) for Pharmaceuticals. Somebody can correct me if they know of any, but I don't believe there is even one product sold in the Bodybuilding superstore that are certified (by NSF) to meet this criteria. That is why USANA has chosen MLM (multi-level marketing) to market and distribute its products.

As for the price, $39.99 for product of this quality is not that unreasonable. Think about this...what is one of your most coveted blessings? I would imagine your HEALTH, right? We all take our health very seriously, or we wouldn't be in this forum. So when it comes to giving your body the optimum nutrition, wouldn't you want to give it the best? I do, and the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements has ranked USANA #1 for 4 consecutive years, so that's proof enough for me that I need to be using USANA products.

One other perspective on cost. I don't know about you, but it costs me about $60.00 every time I fill up my vehicle with gas. I fill up about 4 times a month. That's $240 a month I spend on gas. If I'm willing to do that to keep my vehicle running, shouldn't I be willing to spend one quarter of that ($40 a month) for my own health?

Just trying to help...

terracotta

05-28-2007, 10:00 AM

These are all GMP certified:

NOW foods
Nature's Way
Schiff
Country Life

adamjacoby

05-28-2007, 10:42 AM

Terra,

Of the companies you listed, Schiff is the only company I see listed as certified to meet GMP's by NSF International (the regulating agency). See the list below.

http://www.nsf.org/Certified/GMP/Listings.asp

One thing I might not have been clear about, is that there are Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) for Food, and there is a separate higher standard for GMP's for Pharmaceuticals. Right now, the FDA has not finalized Good Manufacturing Practices for dietary supplements (which they are apparently required to do....they are late in establishing these standards) so most companies are either A) not meeting any standards (this would be the vast majority) or B) are meeting the GMP's for Food.

USANA, on the other hand, is voluntarily meeting the GMP's for pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, I cannot locate an official listing of the companies who meet this standard, but it is my understanding that very few nutrition companies do. It is too difficult...you basically need to have a medical labratory akin to what pharmaceutical companies use. And that's exactly what USANA has.

terracotta

05-28-2007, 10:46 AM

This is the listing you want:
http://www.naturalproductsassoc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ic_gmp_cos

You have to realize that some of those companies are owned by a larger company that is in the listing.

terracotta

05-28-2007, 10:48 AM

For example, NBTY Inc. manfactures under the following brands:
(as quoted from here http://www.nbty.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=nty&script=1800)

Nature's Bounty, Vitamin World, Puritan's Pride, Holland & Barrett, Rexall, Sundown, Met-Rx, Worldwide Sport Nutrition, Osteo Bi-Flex, American Health, GNC(UK), DeTuinen, LeNaturiste, SISU, and Solgar brands.

terracotta

05-28-2007, 10:54 AM

Perhaps also, you expect your multivitamin to contain more things than mine? In addition to my multivitamin, I also take NOW bone strength, NOW EGCG, NOW fish oil caps, and NOW flax oil caps.

adamjacoby

05-28-2007, 11:23 AM

Ya, I understand that they may be listed under a parent company name, but even NBTY is not listed as being certified. And even IF it were listed, I'm fairly certain that this would be for the GMP's for Food or dietary supplements, not Pharmaceuticals.

As for having too much, I think that is a fair point. We all have different needs. I take 3 USANA Essential pills a day, even though the recommended dosage is 4 (two in morning and two in afternoon). Some of us get our nutrition through other means (hopefully by eating right, and also through other supps). Many of my protein shakes have a lot of the antioxidants and minerals that a multivitamin provides, so that's why I don't take the full dosage. In addition to the Essentials though, I take USANA's fish oil (called BioOmega-3) and I am considering starting their joint product (Procosa II) soon.

They have other products that I hear are fantastic, but I just don't need them right now (brain health, prostate, vision, liver, bone, etc).

It is good to see you are taking that fish oil. So many benefits. Just be sure it is certified not to contain mercury (very dangerous) or other chemicals/PCB's. [USANA's fish oil the certified to be 99.99% pure due to some double molecular distillation process the company uses.]

terracotta

05-28-2007, 11:51 AM

You are correct, they are GMP NNFA (National Nutritional Foods Association) certified. That's good enough for me.

G.B. Ripped

05-28-2007, 11:59 AM

You are correct, they are GMP NNFA (National Nutritional Foods Association) certified. That's good enough for me.

x2

Plus, nobody has mentioned the obvious... multi-level marketing is bad for your soul.

95zj

05-28-2007, 01:32 PM

terracotta

05-28-2007, 02:24 PM

So is Adam still one of the best on the market? Or should I look elsewhere? Because I really don't feel like dropping all of that money on Animal Pak, when I can get something equally as good for less the price.

Yes it is, but at 18 yo, NOW Vit-min 100 or NOW Ecogreen would be a better option. There are a few things in there that are put in there for older men, like the saw palmetto for instance.

trueathlete

05-28-2007, 06:01 PM

I have tried every supplement out there, and I have never experienced a supplement company like HARD Nutrition. There mulit vitamin Vita X is incredible, you dont really notice it when you are on it but when you are off it you sure can tell, and that to me tells me that it is legit.

95zj

05-28-2007, 11:56 PM

Alright, thanks Terra for filling me in.

+reps when recharged

adamjacoby

05-29-2007, 04:02 AM

B.B. Ripped,

I'm not even sure I should reply to your email, but it is just too frustrating when I hear naive comments about multi-level marketing (MLM) like that. MLM is one of the most efficient and successful ways to build a business in sales. It has been for 50 years, and always will be. The reason is simple. You reward your people for the actual work (sales) they produce.

USANA uses MLM b/c their products are of too high a quality to sell in stores. Who is going to go buy a $40 bottle of vitamins in the stores? Not many people. Only those who are serious about their health understand the benefits of a quality multi-vitamin (and understand why the other stuff, currently sold on stores shelves, is junk). Plus, with all the middle men involved in getting your product to retail, USANA Essentials would actually end up with a sales price near $100, so that definitely wouldn't work!

So USANA chose MLM, and they've done extremely well. #12 on Forbes Magazine Top 200 Small Businesses. #3 on Business Weeks 100 Hot Growth Companies, featured on CNBC, and often featured in the Wall Street Journal. The company also has experienced 3 straight years of 40% or more growth on the stock market, with the President of USANA invited to ring the closing bell on the NASDAQ just two weeks ago. Those are some impressive stats.

So be careful when you bash MLM.

x2

Plus, nobody has mentioned the obvious... multi-level marketing is bad for your soul.

hiyooo

05-29-2007, 07:00 PM

adamjacoby or anyone,

I am just wondering what do you think of Xtend-Life? or even anyone else's opinion. I am currently trying their products out at the moment.
http://www.xtend-life.com/

Hoki Fish Oil
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Omega_3_~_DHA_Esters.aspx
Multivitamin
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Total_Balance_-_Enteric_Coated_(Mens)_(Canada_Blend)_-_G1.aspx

I know they are pricey for the quantity you get, so far I think their products are alright, not great. I've tried Centrum, Animal Pak, now Xtend-Life, to be honest I really don't notice any big differences between them, except Animal Pak I get neon yellow pee. Out of all those products I've tried, I feel somewhat an energy boost from all of them and probably placebo effect, I do feel somewhat healthier. I don't know. I just want to hear someone's opinion, because I can't notice any major differences between Centrum, Animal Pak, and Xtend-Life.

Thanks in advance.

terracotta

05-30-2007, 09:13 AM

Best multi formula.. Controlled Labs Orange Triad. Should be in the bb.com store soon - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2966561

Jon1989

05-30-2007, 09:28 AM

Best Multi Vitamin is VIBE.

gth699x

05-30-2007, 10:29 AM

Animal Pak, It is amazing!

CONTROLLED LABS

05-30-2007, 02:03 PM

Best multi formula.. Controlled Labs Orange Triad. Should be in the bb.com store soon - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2966561

yup, there is a new contender in town :) and its name is ORANGE TRIAD

kungfu84

05-30-2007, 02:40 PM

adamjacoby

05-30-2007, 06:49 PM

Hiyooo,

Sorry for the delay. Xtend-Life is not listed in the copy of the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements I have (I don't have the latest version yet), so I can't tell you what the experts say. However, in comparing it to the multivitamin i use, USANA Essentials, Xtend comes up short in all ingredients. That does not mean it isn't any good though (USANA is a very high quality multi to compare against). In reading through the Xtend-Life website, I like what I was reading. Most importantly, they use their own bio-chemists, their own ingredients, and their own manufacturing facility, whereas 99% of everything else out there get their product from a sub-contracted company. So chances are, Xtend-Life is a quality multivitamin. I encourage everyone to check out USANA, but by sticking with Xtend-Life, I would imagine you are still giving yourself a good quality supplement.

Wish I had more details on them though. The newest version of the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements compares over 1500 multivitamins, so there is a good chance it is included in that one (the previous versions compared 500).

adamjacoby or anyone,

I am just wondering what do you think of Xtend-Life? or even anyone else's opinion. I am currently trying their products out at the moment.
http://www.xtend-life.com/

Hoki Fish Oil
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Omega_3_~_DHA_Esters.aspx
Multivitamin
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Total_Balance_-_Enteric_Coated_(Mens)_(Canada_Blend)_-_G1.aspx

I know they are pricey for the quantity you get, so far I think their products are alright, not great. I've tried Centrum, Animal Pak, now Xtend-Life, to be honest I really don't notice any big differences between them, except Animal Pak I get neon yellow pee. Out of all those products I've tried, I feel somewhat an energy boost from all of them and probably placebo effect, I do feel somewhat healthier. I don't know. I just want to hear someone's opinion, because I can't notice any major differences between Centrum, Animal Pak, and Xtend-Life.

Thanks in advance.

adamjacoby

05-30-2007, 07:19 PM

For all you Animal Pak users,

When you see your piss turn bright yellow or green after taking a multi-vitamin, that is a clear indicator that the vitamin is NOT BEING DIGESTED passed your stomach wall. It is being broken down, thus the color you see, but it is not being absorbed by your body (or you wouldn't see the color). So just be mindful of that.

Also, Animal Pak is loaded with mega doses (they say it themselves) of many many different vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and I believe stimulants too. There are conflicting reports out there about how such "mega doses" could do more harm than good. There is a lot of truth to having "too much of a good thing." So just be mindful of that as well. Just make sure you do your research...just prepare for that to take a while with a product that jams so many different ingredients as Animal Pak! Also consider that in every protein shake you drink, you are getting a lot of the same vitamins/minerals, and amino acids that are in Animal Pak. So add up what you are taking every day.

I definitely believe you need a lot more than what Centrum and other cheap products provide (100% of DV), but when the numbers start getting over 5000% of DV, I'd start to think twice if I were you.

That's my opinion anyway, take it for what its worth....

SO THAT'S WHAT'S MAKIN MY PISS GLOW?

God I've been wondering that for a while now.

jsp0785

05-30-2007, 08:01 PM

along with their commision

I work at GNC and we don't get commission on multi vitamins, but we are told to push them. pretty stupid so i never do

terracotta

05-30-2007, 09:23 PM

For all you Animal Pak users,

When you see your piss turn bright yellow or green after taking a multi-vitamin, that is a clear indicator that the vitamin is NOT BEING DIGESTED passed your stomach wall. It is being broken down, thus the color you see, but it is not being absorbed by your body (or you wouldn't see the color). So just be mindful of that.

Also, Animal Pak is loaded with mega doses (they say it themselves) of many many different vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and I believe stimulants too. There are conflicting reports out there about how such "mega doses" could do more harm than good. There is a lot of truth to having "too much of a good thing." So just be mindful of that as well. Just make sure you do your research...just prepare for that to take a while with a product that jams so many different ingredients as Animal Pak! Also consider that in every protein shake you drink, you are getting a lot of the same vitamins/minerals, and amino acids that are in Animal Pak. So add up what you are taking every day.

I definitely believe you need a lot more than what Centrum and other cheap products provide (100% of DV), but when the numbers start getting over 5000% of DV, I'd start to think twice if I were you.

That's my opinion anyway, take it for what its worth....

I keep saying it... :)

Have a look at Controlled Labs Orange Triad. Really what I was looking for.

jpetitclerc

05-31-2007, 10:04 AM

Animal Pak without a shadow of a doubt. It's my favorite supplement period.

But yeah, when I piss, it's a greeny yellow x_X

hegs00

06-02-2007, 03:47 PM

im currently using the animal pack works fantasticly for me =]

esquire415

06-03-2007, 09:13 AM

yup, there is a new contender in town :) and its name is ORANGE TRIAD

Ok, this sucks! I just got my first MHP Activite Sport multi. Now this comes out?! Aarrrggh!

The previous poster is right. You have to consider the vitamins already included in your whey protein, i.e. Cytogainer. So you're actually getting more vitamins than what your multi provides and some of them are just not used by being expelled in urine, hence, the fluorescence.

pu12en12g

06-03-2007, 09:28 AM

Ok, this sucks! I just got my first MHP Activite Sport multi. Now this comes out?! Aarrrggh!

Orange TRIAD will be ready when you are (like a good girlfriend :p ) :D

BigJ1986

06-03-2007, 09:13 PM

I'd definitely nominate Fighter's Formula and their 3 cycle system. They are very new on the market, but I have been a very lucky BETA-tester if you can put it this way. The "Performance Maximizer" aka Cycle 1 is packed up with Vitamin A, B's, C, D, E, and alot of minerals like Magnesium and Calcium, and last but not least also contains green leaf tea extract and caffeine. It's expensive though, $59,95 for 30 tablets, but definately worth the price. It gives you a boost during the day that you really feel!

KungFu84,

I'm also using this product. You're right about Cycle 1 Performance Maximizer. It definitely gave me a big rush of energy to last thru out the day without giving you the shakes. This morning before I go play basketball, I ate some breakfast and took 1 pill. And about 15-25 mins later, i'm already warmed up and I feel the energy in me. I play thru 5 games in the hot sun at 85 degrees outside for about 2 1/2 hours lol and I last thru it like nothing. But of course I drank plenty of water (1 whole gallon). Then, when I got home I didn't feel like I was burned out and felt any fatigue. Freaking incredible! I even went to the mall with my gf later on for about 2 hours. Right now I took 2 pills of Cycle 3 Recovery Accelerator and I'm not feeling any soreness at all! Fighter's Formula right now is my number 1 choice! The only negative is that it might be a little expensive but its well worth it. It actually not bad right now with their 3-cycle system deal + free shipping. I definitely recommend Fighter's Formula Fuel Cycles for anyone that is into intense sports and workout. I'm going to take Fuel Cycle 2 Dynamic Muscle Optimizer for workout and I'll post my review. Can't wait to try it. :D

TGates13

06-04-2007, 01:03 PM

For all you Animal Pak users,

When you see your piss turn bright yellow or green after taking a multi-vitamin, that is a clear indicator that the vitamin is NOT BEING DIGESTED passed your stomach wall. It is being broken down, thus the color you see, but it is not being absorbed by your body (or you wouldn't see the color). So just be mindful of that.

Also, Animal Pak is loaded with mega doses (they say it themselves) of many many different vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and I believe stimulants too. There are conflicting reports out there about how such "mega doses" could do more harm than good. There is a lot of truth to having "too much of a good thing." So just be mindful of that as well. Just make sure you do your research...just prepare for that to take a while with a product that jams so many different ingredients as Animal Pak! Also consider that in every protein shake you drink, you are getting a lot of the same vitamins/minerals, and amino acids that are in Animal Pak. So add up what you are taking every day.

I definitely believe you need a lot more than what Centrum and other cheap products provide (100% of DV), but when the numbers start getting over 5000% of DV, I'd start to think twice if I were you.

That's my opinion anyway, take it for what its worth....

I do not want to start an arguement with you but it is my understanding that when your urine is bright yellow or even green it is your body getting rid of excess vitamins and minerals. Your body is processing them it just has an excess. I have noticed that my urine is bright yellow regardless of what multi-v I take. It is most yellow though with Mega Men. Now on that note I have only taken Mega Men, Vitamin Worlds Brand and, Animal Pak. I have found that Animal Pak is a little excessive (6 horse pills) when I can get everything with a Mega Men and a couple of protein shakes.

alphaproject

06-04-2007, 10:50 PM

Usually bright pee means too much B-vitamins. You body is just getting rid of the excess.

I have not had that problem in awhile since I drink alot of water and workout alot. I don't take a multi either. I take seperate supplements for certain things.

Cod Liver Oil + Krill Oil
Grape Seed Extract - 200mg
Apple Cider Vinegar Tabs
Coral Calcium + Magnesium

I have a bunch of stuff that I take, not always on a daily basis. I do not suffer from any kind of bright pee.

ZDub212

06-05-2007, 07:36 AM

To the above poster, I wouldn't supplement with Coral Calcium.

Anyways...I think Optimens is still one of the best multivitamins out there, and it certainly is cost effective. Orange Triad looks good, and I like the fact that it has antioxidants, and things for joints/tendons...but $32 for 45 days is a bit steep IMO.

alphaproject

06-05-2007, 10:22 AM

To the above poster, I wouldn't supplement with Coral Calcium.

Yet gives no reason.

ZDub212

06-05-2007, 08:42 PM

To the above poster, I wouldn't supplement with Coral Calcium.

Yet gives no reason.

It can be toxic. Search.

alphaproject

06-05-2007, 09:49 PM

So can drinking alcohol, which I really hardly ever do. I never drink more than 1 beer. I have not had a beer in maybe 4 months. Personally, I just hate being drunk, not a good feeling for me so I just don't drink.

I found 1 article on Bob Barefoot filing false claims.

How many companies file false claims?

I've been taking it for years, different brands and I'm not in the hospital. Actually, just like Tums, if you need an antacid, I just take one of those and I'm fine. Usually I don't get acid reflux though, maybe once a month, if I do get it. Drinking too much cola will do that as well, I used to get it when I was young BADDDD.

RavensFan2k3

06-06-2007, 03:48 PM

I havent read through the whole thread, but is GNC's Mega Men multi good? Also which would be better, the sport one or the regular one?

RavensFan2k3

06-06-2007, 03:57 PM

To the above poster, I wouldn't supplement with Coral Calcium.

Yet gives no reason.
Really? Because isnt coral calcium in NOW Adams Multi?

WMD

06-06-2007, 04:00 PM

someone should post or link to the top 50 list from this 'Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements'.

Mikotorocks,

There is nothing fishy here. I started USING Usana Essentials after I read the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements and saw how highly regarded they are in the medical community. I started SELLING USANA products after I saw that Forbes Magazine had rated the company #12 on their top 100 Growth Companies, Business Week rated them #3 on theirs, and then Direct Selling Magazine rated them the #1 over-all multi-level marketing company in America. That was pretty impressive to me. So I already knew their products were fantastic, but once I heard that starting your own USANA business was so successful, I decided to go for it.

It is one of the best decisions I've ever made.

I encourage you to do your own research to see for yourself, but if you want to check out USANA's Essentials, purchase them, or want more information on an USANA business, check out my website:

www.optimalhealthandnutrition.usana.com

gotwhey

06-06-2007, 11:05 PM

GNC MegaMen...

Animal Pack seems like overkill, unless youre an advanced bodybuilder.

New York

06-07-2007, 11:50 AM

someone should post or link to the top 50 list from this 'Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements'.

I agree i have been looking for it & have not been able to find it!!!

terracotta

06-07-2007, 11:58 AM

someone should post or link to the top 50 list from this 'Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements'.

I disagree with the criteria used in it. I glanced through a great deal of the book on Amazon.com who lets you search and read pages IF you have bought a book from them before (and you sign in). So you might want to check that out.

A product will lose points if it does not contain coenzyme Q-10, silicon, boron, gluthionine precursors, a mixture of bioflavonoids, polyphenolic acid, choline and inositol. Yes, they have proper criteria (like bioavailability) but they also have criteria I disagree with.

New York

06-07-2007, 06:01 PM

I disagree with the criteria used in it. I glanced through a great deal of the book on Amazon.com who lets you search and read pages IF you have bought a book from them before (and you sign in). So you might want to check that out.

A product will lose points if it does not contain coenzyme Q-10, silicon, boron, gluthionine precursors, a mixture of bioflavonoids, polyphenolic acid, choline and inositol. Yes, they have proper criteria (like bioavailability) but they also have criteria I disagree with.

terracotta ,
You seem pretty up on this.
Where would you get a list for the best MV?

That is the only one I know of...

deserusan

06-07-2007, 06:05 PM

terracotta ,
You seem pretty up on this.
Where would you get a list for the best MV?

That is the only one I know of...

Terracotta pushes Controlled Lab products because she makes money off them through affiliate links on her web page. This will be addressed with the moderators.

Why people are pushing products they haven't tried absolutely disgusts me.

naturalguy

06-07-2007, 06:17 PM

I keep saying it... :)

Have a look at Controlled Labs Orange Triad. Really what I was looking for.

Like ADAM it's too low in the all important B-vitamins for an athlete, for a sedentary person it's fine

Terracotta pushes Controlled Lab products because she makes money off them through affiliate links on her web page. This will be addressed with the moderators.

Why people are pushing products they haven't tried absolutely disgusts me.

I noticed that too, strong pimpin'

cakedonkey

06-07-2007, 06:19 PM

Terracotta pushes Controlled Lab products because she makes money off them through affiliate links on her web page. This will be addressed with the moderators.

Why people are pushing products they haven't tried absolutely disgusts me.

Agreed. It's pretty pathetic and the affilate links should absolutely not be allowed.

On another note, I've been really looking into multis other than the NOW line which has traditionally been my favorite. However, "My Favorite Multiple" (Natrol) seems to be one of the absolute best on the market at present. It's available in Iron-Free caps and take a look at the formula:

Vitamin A 10,000 IU 200%
[as Retinyl Palmitate and 50% Beta carotene (d-salina)]
Vitamin C 250 mg 417%
(as Calcium ascorbate?? )
Vitamin D 400 IU 100%
(as cholecalciferol)
Vitamin E 400 IU 1333%
(as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate)
Thiamin 50 mg 3333%
(Vitamin B-1) (as thiamin HCl)
Riboflavin 50 mg 2941%
(Vitamin B-2)
Niacin 50 mg 250%
(as Niacin and niacinamide)
Vitamin B-6 50 mg 2500%
(as pyridoxine HCl)
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B-12 50 mcg 833%
(as cyanocobalamin)
Vitamin D 400IU 100%
(as cholicalciferol)
Biotin 300 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid 50 mg 500%
(as d-calcium pantothenate)
Calcium 1000 mg 100%
(as Calcium: Carbonate, Citrate, Ascorbate?? )
Iodine 150 mcg 100%
(from kelp)
Magnesium 400 mg 100%
(as Magnesium: Oxide, Citrate)
Zinc 25 mg 167%
(as Zinc Amino Acid Chelate^)
Selenium 200 mcg 286%
(as Selenium Amino Acid Chelate^)
Copper 2 mg 100%
(as Copper Amino Acid Chelate^)
Manganese 2 mg 100%
(as manganese gluconate)
Chromium 200 mcg 167%
(as Chromium Amino Acid Chelate^)
Molybdenum 50 mcg 67%
(as Molybdenum Amino Acid Chelate^)
Potassium 99 mg 3%
(as potassium chloride)

Betaine 300 mg
(as betaine TMG trimethylglycine)
MultiEnzyme Blend 110 mg
(Amylase, Papain, Protease, Bromelain, Lipase)
G.P. Flavonoids Extracted from Rose Hips (fruit), Turmeric (root), Acerola (berries), Hawthorn (berries), Grape (skin), Milk
Thistle (seed): 100 mg
PABA 50 mg
(as Para Aminobenzoic Acid)
Choline 50 mg
(as Choline Bitartrate)
Inositol 50 mg
Hesperidin 25 mg
Rutin 25 mg
Eleuthero 15 mg
(Eleutherococcus senticosus) (root)
Boron 200 mcg
(as Boron Amino Acid Chelate)

Cyberstore link: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/natrol/favorite.html

Chelated minerals (provided by Albion, Inc.), good B dosages, no iron (of course in the "no iron" version), not a bunch of extra underdosed crap label-dressing (I think the TMG is a nice little extra), and there's even digestive enzymes in here.

Really good stuff--especially for the price being asked.

pump32

06-07-2007, 06:32 PM

im kinda get sick also of people pushing orange triad.. sorry but if you havent tried it you dont know if it works

R3d0rc

06-07-2007, 06:33 PM

Orange triad need to hurry the heck up and come out. Im almost out of gluc and multi :-(.

ZDub212

06-07-2007, 06:35 PM

Again, Orange Triad looks excellent, but it's going to be around $32 for a 45 day supply...when you can get Vit-Min or Optimens for a LOT cheaper.

terracotta

06-07-2007, 08:08 PM

Again, Orange Triad looks excellent, but it's going to be around $32 for a 45 day supply...when you can get Vit-Min or Optimens for a LOT cheaper.

Right, but I would not recommend it IF you do not want a joint supp and an antioxidant supp. It really depends on what you want. For what is in it, it is a great price.

terracotta

06-07-2007, 08:10 PM

Why people are pushing products they haven't tried absolutely disgusts me.

You don't need to have tried a product to judge it based on ingredients, and similar products you have tried. When I say something is NOT in the store yet, it should be clear, I haven't taken it yet. If it makes you happy, I can vouch for it again in 2 weeks after I have taken it.

terracotta

06-07-2007, 08:13 PM

terracotta ,
You seem pretty up on this.
Where would you get a list for the best MV?

That is the only one I know of...

For a BASIC multi, with no joint supp, I recommend NOW Vit-min 100.

Alphy

06-07-2007, 08:39 PM

For a BASIC multi, with no joint supp, I recommend NOW Vit-min 100.

maybe for you, but most guys want iron-free(or should)

dvsness

06-07-2007, 08:47 PM

Agreed. It's pretty pathetic and the affilate links should absolutely not be allowed.

On another note, I've been really looking into multis other than the NOW line which has traditionally been my favorite. However, "My Favorite Multiple" (Natrol) seems to be one of the absolute best on the market at present. It's available in Iron-Free caps and take a look at the formula:

Natrol is often overlooked here, though it does very well in pharmacies and drugstores.

terracotta

06-07-2007, 08:57 PM

I have never posted an affiliate link on bodybuilding.com
If my orange triad posts here are out of line, the mods can delete them (I no longer have that power).

cakedonkey

06-07-2007, 09:08 PM

Natrol is often overlooked here, though it does very well in pharmacies and drugstores.

It's a damn good multi and should not be overlooked. I actually have two bottles of it sitting right here.

pu12en12g

06-08-2007, 01:21 AM

Orange triad need to hurry the heck up and come out. Im almost out of gluc and multi :-(.

Should be up today (Friday) or else Monday at the latest.

zkid002

06-08-2007, 07:33 AM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3093821

This thread has the potential to be a great source of info, and already contains quality information as well, make your own list, and lets see what everyone has to say!

naturalguy

06-08-2007, 07:58 AM

I have never posted an affiliate link on bodybuilding.com
If my orange triad posts here are out of line, the mods can delete them (I no longer have that power).

Yes you have and you also have it right in your signature :(

terracotta

06-08-2007, 08:07 AM

Yes you have and you also have it right in your signature :(

My website is not an affiliate link. An affiliate link is a link that points to bodybuilding.com through the affiliate website. I have NOT hidden the affiliate links on my site behind masks, and people choose to click them.

deserusan

06-08-2007, 08:10 AM

My website is not an affiliate link. An affiliate link is a link that points to bodybuilding.com through the affiliate website. I have NOT hidden the affiliate links on my site behind masks, and people choose to click them.

It's obvious Terra. I have a blog with almost 200k views and do logs now which average about 20k and usually have a first page google hit when searching whatever product it happens to be for while the log is running. It's about choices and I hate to say it, but its deceitful to profit off the forum in such a way. Just be a rep if you want to get paid. :)

naturalguy

06-08-2007, 08:11 AM

My website is not an affiliate link. An affiliate link is a link that points to bodybuilding.com through the affiliate website. I have NOT hidden the affiliate links on my site behind masks, and people choose to click them.

Your making money off of your links. Many people don't realize this when they click on your "information" page. Your going to push certain products that you make money off of, that is deceptive and a form of spam.

terracotta

06-08-2007, 08:13 AM

Your making money off of your links. Many people don't realize this when they click on your "information" page. Your going to push certain products that you make money off of, that is deceptive and a form of spam.

NO, because I can make money off of ANY product on bodybuilding.com. I make higher commission from bodybuilding.com's brand name, but I don't have a single link on my site for those products. I ONLY recommend products that I have either tried personally, or get good reviews from users on this site, OR have good ingredient profiles.

Bodybuilding.com chose to have an affiliate program. Take it up with them. I am not spamming anything, I am just taking credit for sales I generate.

terracotta

06-08-2007, 08:16 AM

It's obvious Terra. I have a blog with almost 200k views and do logs now which average about 20k and usually have a first page google hit when searching whatever product it happens to be for while the log is running. It's about choices and I hate to say it, but its deceitful to profit off the forum in such a way. Just be a rep if you want to get paid. :)

I started with links on my site BEFORE I joined the affiliate program. Would it make you happy if I put bodybuilding.com affiliate in my sig? I am not going to drop the affiliate program.

deserusan

06-08-2007, 08:21 AM

I started with links on my site BEFORE I joined the affiliate program. Would it make you happy if I put bodybuilding.com affiliate in my sig? I am not going to drop the affiliate program.

I just think its best for people to make it obvious what their motivations are when actually making money off of the bb.com forums.

terracotta

06-08-2007, 08:24 AM

I just think its best for people to make it obvious what their motivations are when actually making money off of the bb.com forums.

I added it to my sig.

naturalguy

06-08-2007, 08:35 AM

NO, because I can make money off of ANY product on bodybuilding.com. I make higher commission from bodybuilding.com's brand name, but I don't have a single link on my site for those products. I ONLY recommend products that I have either tried personally, or get good reviews from users on this site, OR have good ingredient profiles.

Bodybuilding.com chose to have an affiliate program. Take it up with them. I am not spamming anything, I am just taking credit for sales I generate.

Hey if it's within the rules then I may just make my own pages and make some money :)

cakedonkey

06-08-2007, 12:06 PM

I added it to my sig.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

boyscouT

06-08-2007, 12:30 PM

Hey if it's within the rules then I may just make my own pages and make some money :)
You just can't post your affiliate links directly on this board in your posts, because the purpose of them was to drive outside traffic into bodybuilding.com. So the way terra is doing it right now is the only way you can.

Looking forward to your affiliate site naturalguy!

Edit: Personally what terra is doing is OK by the rules, but imo, isn't what the affiliate program was meant for. Posting your affiliate website on your sig at bodybuilding.com defeats the purpose of driving traffic here..... the traffic is ALREADY here.

You should have your affiliate website posted in your sig at OTHER boards...

terracotta

06-08-2007, 01:03 PM

True BS, but my website isn't JUST affiliate stuff. It was made to provide information on training/nutrition/fitness as an extension to the sticky I made in the female forum. I got tired of posting the same explanations every second day. The affiliate stuff was added later.

I haven't actually browsed around the web much for other forums to take part in, might do that at some point.

fitnfirm

06-08-2007, 01:08 PM

boyscouT

06-08-2007, 01:08 PM

New York

06-08-2007, 01:09 PM

UH......
Did not mean to start all that!!!
Just wanted an opinon.

and a way to find that list...

terracotta

06-08-2007, 01:17 PM

Ok, here are the ones at the top of that list:

terracotta

06-08-2007, 01:29 PM

The ultimate nutrition super complete is sold on bodybuilding.com - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/vitmin.html

It has 18 mg of iron in it though. I don't want that much iron in my multi either.

naturalguy

06-08-2007, 02:26 PM

You just can't post your affiliate links directly on this board in your posts, because the purpose of them was to drive outside traffic into bodybuilding.com. So the way terra is doing it right now is the only way you can.

Looking forward to your affiliate site naturalguy!

Edit: Personally what terra is doing is OK by the rules, but imo, isn't what the affiliate program was meant for. Posting your affiliate website on your sig at bodybuilding.com defeats the purpose of driving traffic here..... the traffic is ALREADY here.

You should have your affiliate website posted in your sig at OTHER boards...

Ok, cool. I didn't understand how that worked. I apologize to Terra.

Viperspit

06-08-2007, 03:19 PM

Terracotta pushes Controlled Lab products because she makes money off them through affiliate links on her web page. This will be addressed with the moderators.

Why people are pushing products they haven't tried absolutely disgusts me.

UnF'nbelievable! You just aren't happy unless you are bitchin about somebody are ya? Everyone here at bb.com has an agenda don't they? It's a freakin multi vitamin thread, last I checked you weren't even in this line of product. :rolleyes:

cakedonkey

06-08-2007, 04:05 PM

UnF'nbelievable! You just aren't happy unless you are bitchin about somebody are ya? Everyone here at bb.com has an agenda don't they? It's a freakin multi vitamin thread, last I checked you weren't even in this line of product. :rolleyes:

Give. me. a. break.

He had a valid point and if you can't accept it then, well... tough ****.

terracotta

06-08-2007, 06:48 PM

I've been going through that comparative guide, and I think this will be the next multi I buy
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/source/life.html

CONTROLLED LABS

06-08-2007, 07:22 PM

Terracotta pushes Controlled Lab products because she makes money off them through affiliate links on her web page. This will be addressed with the moderators.

Why people are pushing products they haven't tried absolutely disgusts me.she could suggest any product she likes and make money on it and does so with many brands. she chose orange triad because she likes the formula. actually at this point she couldn't make a dime on it since its not available yet on the site. we have no affiliation with her whatsoever and have never asked her to recommend our products.

Like ADAM it's too low in the all important B-vitamins for an athlete, for a sedentary person it's fine

as I showed you in the other thread, its higher than most other multis in the market in that department.

Again, Orange Triad looks excellent, but it's going to be around $32 for a 45 day supply...when you can get Vit-Min or Optimens for a LOT cheaper.
it will be 29.99 on bb.com and can be had as cheap as 25 bucks online. if you had to buy a multi, joint product, antioxidant and digestions supp all separately for 45 days worth it would easily cost 50-100% more than OT.

ZDub212

06-08-2007, 07:31 PM

it will be 29.99 on bb.com and can be had as cheap as 25 bucks online. if you had to buy a multi, joint product, antioxidant and digestions supp all separately for 45 days worth it would easily cost 50-100% more than OT.

I actually just noticed that on another website, and it is only $25. That's not bad at all considering the three complexes. Very nice.

deserusan

06-08-2007, 10:31 PM

UnF'nbelievable! You just aren't happy unless you are bitchin about somebody are ya? Everyone here at bb.com has an agenda don't they? It's a freakin multi vitamin thread, last I checked you weren't even in this line of product. :rolleyes:

Viper,

Considering the fact your wife attempted to blackmail me on the forum yesterday with potentially harmful information I would seriously considering abiding by the truce we have set up. I'm not worried about whatever information you guys think you have because after a lengthy discussion with my attorney you guys would be fools as company reps to do anything especially when the combined revenue of both companies employees you were threatening exceeds $175 million per annum. If you think I'm joking then feel free to contact GNI. I can also give you the number to my attorney and he will make it plain as day too.

What I do have a problem with is people who don't make their intentions known. I'm a rep and therefore make it known. Before I was a rep I could have profited heavily off of affiliate links but decided not to because it can cloud judgement. That's a the thing, when money is involved judgement gets clouded and your intent is different: it's for profit.

What also saddens me is that people recommend product they haven't even tried. Yes, you can tell if something is decent by the profile but the product in question was being recommend before it was even out. That is pretty sad, but hey, a company has to do what it has to do.

I guess I'm just unhappy and must start arguments to get my jollies. Or maybe I'm just a little tired of seeing people being taken advantage of on a daily basis by shills and people with agendas. If you are profiting off of your posts you do have an agenda. I know it's hard for you at times to see what's really going on.

-D

ab-swing asianbabe

06-08-2007, 10:45 PM

a company has to do what it has to do.

I guess I'm just unhappy and must start arguments to get my jollies. Or maybe I'm just a little tired of seeing people being taken advantage of on a daily basis by shills and people with agendas. If you are profiting off of your posts you do have an agenda. I know it's hard for you at times to see what's really going on.

-D

aiyy,.. to be fair I can't see that CL has done anything wrong here, it isn't really in their control what their supporters say/do.

deserusan

06-08-2007, 10:50 PM

aiyy,.. to be fair I can't see that CL has done anything wrong here, it isn't really in their control what their supporters say/do.

I agree. I'm not saying they did anything wrong. However, if I supplied a reviewer with free product and then they begin recommending it for profit you are in some ways affiliated if said company again gives free product to that person.

We see it everyday and certain companies pick the same "testers" over and over agin (we do it too). I know it happens all the time because I get offered stuff ALL the time and I also have people saying "hey man, I own this site and will pimp your **** hard to push sales."

I'm not saying everyoneis guilty of this, however, affiliate links are to draw new business to bb.com and not to profit off of existing forum members. If you are profiting off the forum people should know so they can view you in the proper light which means you have an agenda. That's my only point.

I think Terra is a great addition to the forum and wish there were more like her. However, motivations for being here should be known. I have it in my signature and you have it yours.

ab-swing asianbabe

06-08-2007, 11:05 PM

fitnfirm

06-08-2007, 11:09 PM

Viper,

Considering the fact your wife attempted to blackmail me on the forum yesterday with potentially harmful information I would seriously considering abiding by the truce we have set up. I'm not worried about whatever information you guys think you have because after a lengthy discussion with my attorney you guys would be fools as company reps to do anything especially when the combined revenue of both companies employees you were threatening exceeds $175 million per annum. If you think I'm joking then feel free to contact GNI. I can also give you the number to my attorney and he will make it plain as day too.

What I do have a problem with is people who don't make their intentions known. I'm a rep and therefore make it known. Before I was a rep I could have profited heavily off of affiliate links but decided not to because it can cloud judgement. That's a the thing, when money is involved judgement gets clouded and your intent is different: it's for profit.

What also saddens me is that people recommend product they haven't even tried. Yes, you can tell if something is decent by the profile but the product in question was being recommend before it was even out. That is pretty sad, but hey, a company has to do what it has to do.

I guess I'm just unhappy and must start arguments to get my jollies. Or maybe I'm just a little tired of seeing people being taken advantage of on a daily basis by shills and people with agendas. If you are profiting off of your posts you do have an agenda. I know it's hard for you at times to see what's really going on.

-D

More threats Daniel ? Yes, give me your attorneys name then please, PM it to me. While your at it also make sure to tell the forum members of GNI's patent infringement that they are being sued for :)

The file below is blackmail, your very good at it.

ZDub212

06-08-2007, 11:11 PM

What the hell is this? This thread is about multivitamins...can we leave it at that?

If you want to argue about affiliate links, and lawsuits and such, why not use the PM system or start a thread in the sup misc?

deserusan

06-08-2007, 11:11 PM

Point taken and agree with all of the above. I think it is probably even more important for a long standing member with credibility where others may show reliance upn. Anyhow, looks like sigs have been changed, so we are all cool now. Good looking out though des, you raised some good points, anyone with any affiliation should have their intentions clearly stated.

I know how far companies will go to get you to pimp (I'm not implying Terra would go for this in anyway). It's sad but its the nature of the business. To some, the revenue generated on this forum is great and why some will break every moral ethic out their to ensure their revenue stream.

Since a few company affiliates had their accounts erased with no warning or reason I'm working on lengthy piece as to why this forum needs to some serious reforms, rules, and monitoring. There is a lot at stake these days and companies are getting way out of hand on here.

fitnfirm

06-08-2007, 11:13 PM

ZDub212

06-08-2007, 11:15 PM

Dan has to turn every thread into a pile of shiat, its pretty pathetic.

I wasn't singling anyone out, everyone seems to be in on this argument...and this really isn't the place for it.

deserusan

06-08-2007, 11:16 PM

Here we go. Have a good weekend.

drxmn

06-08-2007, 11:40 PM

I will never supplement ecinacea (sp?) when i dont NEED it. Bad idea.

fitnfirm

06-08-2007, 11:44 PM

deadlift425

06-08-2007, 11:45 PM

Flinstones or childrens chewable(try to find one without iron) would be my pick if I were taking a multivitamin.

To be honest, I have tried numerous multivitamins(mega men, ultra mega gold, now adam, more than a multiple, alive, premium one/no iron) for periods of over 2 years and I just started the last 6 months with no vitamin supplements unless its present in some cereals such as wheaties, cheerios or raisin bran. I notice absolutely no difference other than the color of my urine being more clear now. Ill continue to eat well and supplement with my whey and fish oil till the cows come home.

If you must get one, get something that is cheap and effective and doesn't go a huge amount beyond the rda. Unless they are chelated or whole food based(which majority of them aren't), they use the same ingredients as even centrum or one a day. Youll eat more vitamins than you need in your diet especially if your bulking as well, so Id spend that extra cash on regular food instead.

drxmn

06-08-2007, 11:49 PM

Echinacea, I think its spelled. I know a lady who takes one capsule a day and has never been sick, she is in her 60's too. I use it at the first sign of a cold and it wipes it out right away. I love it and would be lost without it.

can u get back to me about the PM topic? yes or no i need closure!

yeah thats the spelling i think heh.

Im not saying its bad or doesnt work (quite the opposite), ill just never take it unless i dont need it.

deserusan

06-08-2007, 11:49 PM

More threats Daniel ? Yes, give me your attorneys name then please, PM it to me. While your at it also make sure to tell the forum members of GNI's patent infringement that they are being sued for :)

The file below is blackmail, your very good at it.

Quoted.

fitnfirm

06-08-2007, 11:53 PM

can u get back to me about the PM topic? yes or no i need closure!

yeah thats the spelling i think heh.

Im not saying its bad or doesnt work (quite the opposite), ill just never take it unless i dont need it.

I have so many I havent been through them all :o Ill do it now :)

fitnfirm

06-08-2007, 11:54 PM

Quoted.

Quoted the quote. :rolleyes:

The Brotherhood

06-08-2007, 11:59 PM

*cough* derail *cough*

drxmn

06-09-2007, 12:18 AM

I have so many I havent been through them all :o Ill do it now :)

Thanks! I replied to the PM and sent an email.

Warneckutz

06-09-2007, 04:27 AM

it will be 29.99 on bb.com and can be had as cheap as 25 bucks online. if you had to buy a multi, joint product, antioxidant and digestions supp all separately for 45 days worth it would easily cost 50-100% more than OT.

I just got my hands on some O.T. and I just heard about "Cissus", does anyone recommend any QUALITY brand in particular?

Thank you!!

V/R,

Anthony

Viperspit

06-09-2007, 04:54 AM

Viper,

Considering the fact your wife attempted to blackmail me on the forum yesterday with potentially harmful information I would seriously considering abiding by the truce we have set up.

Wow, this comment made my day. Pot/Kettle/Black? I won't even waste my time posting all the blackmail threats you've started with us and the false b.s. you've already posted as late as Thursday evening. What I do find hilarious is the first time we stoop to your level and threaten the same, you start pm'ing Fit right away asking for a truce. Be careful of the games you play Dan, they could come back to bite you in the ass.

To the other members of this thread, I apologize for the dissruption, but when you've been pushed to a certain point, it's time to stand up and fight fire with fire if necessary.

The Brotherhood

06-09-2007, 06:00 AM

I just got my hands on some O.T. and I just heard about "Cissus", does anyone recommend any QUALITY brand in particular?

Thank you!!

V/R,

Anthony

The Planet's bulk cissus

pu12en12g

06-09-2007, 06:16 AM

I just got my hands on some O.T. and I just heard about "Cissus", does anyone recommend any QUALITY brand in particular?

The Primaforce product looks like it's worth a try:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/prima/cis.html

Warneckutz

06-09-2007, 06:23 AM

The Primaforce product looks like it's worth a try:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/prima/cis.html

I saw that one, as well as USPLabs Super Cissus, any thought on the two with how they'll work with your entire C.L. line?

ZDub212

06-09-2007, 07:04 AM

I saw that one, as well as USPLabs Super Cissus, any thought on the two with how they'll work with your entire C.L. line?

Cissus works well with every product (Except X-Factor) and is worthy addition to any stack.

USPLabs Super Cissus RX is a fantastic product, I love it, but if you can't spend the $$ right now, look into Primaforce Cissus or Bulk Cissus from NP.

Warneckutz

06-09-2007, 07:09 AM

Cissus works well with every product (Except X-Factor) and is worthy addition to any stack.

USPLabs Super Cissus RX is a fantastic product, I love it, but if you can't spend the $$ right now, look into Primaforce Cissus or Bulk Cissus from NP.

Comparing the two, I figured USPLabs was the better option in regards to getting more for your money...

USPLabs - 90 pills @ 2/day = 45 days
Prima Force - 120 pills @ 4/day = 30 days

And on here, USPLabs is only $5.00 more so, no biggie there... I'm leaning towards USPLabs for the next order.

ZDub212

06-09-2007, 07:14 AM

Comparing the two, I figured USPLabs was the better option in regards to getting more for your money...

USPLabs - 90 pills @ 2/day = 45 days
Prima Force - 120 pills @ 4/day = 30 days

And on here, USPLabs is only $5.00 more so, no biggie there... I'm leaning towards USPLabs for the next order.

Super Cissus RX actually is best dosed IMO at 3 pills per day, so it would last you 30 days as well...but if you want to do the 2, that works very well also!

Warneckutz

06-09-2007, 07:17 AM

Super Cissus RX actually is best dosed IMO at 3 pills per day, so it would last you 30 days as well...but if you want to do the 2, that works very well also!

Hmmmm.... on the bb.com page it says 1 pill 10 mins prior to breakfast and 1 pill 10 mins prior to last meal. Is it just more effective to double up?

ZDub212

06-09-2007, 07:19 AM

Hmmmm.... on the bb.com page it says 1 pill 10 mins prior to breakfast and 1 pill 10 mins prior to last meal. Is it just more effective to double up?

It depends. When I bulk up, 2 is PLENTY for me, but when I'm cutting down, I like to bump it up to 3.

Just to get this thread back on topic, if you have anymore questions, please feel free to send me a PM! :)

New York

06-09-2007, 11:54 AM

I've been going through that comparative guide, and I think this will be the next multi I buy
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/source/life.html

That is what my buddy uses & he swears by it..
I am a Solgar user myself
But do want to know everything out there & what the differences are

Death From Above

06-09-2007, 04:43 PM

It depends. When I bulk up, 2 is PLENTY for me, but when I'm cutting down, I like to bump it up to 3.

Just to get this thread back on topic, if you have anymore questions, please feel free to send me a PM! :)

you have bulked before?

CagedBeast

06-09-2007, 05:10 PM

I've used ISS Super Multivits to great effect.

Increased energy, focus, libido, feeling of well being..

ZDub212

06-09-2007, 06:05 PM

you have bulked before?

I weigh more than you Zach :p

Yes, I just came off a bulk awhile ago...just fyi ;)

Skull Crusher Chris

06-09-2007, 06:10 PM

Yes, I just came off a bulk awhile ago...just fyi ;)

100 Days To Mass FTW!!!:D

ZDub212

06-09-2007, 06:15 PM

100 Days To Fatass FTW!!!:D

Kinda :D

Skull Crusher Chris

06-09-2007, 06:19 PM

Kinda :D

LOL I saw your edit in my post and actually thought I miss-typed for a second:p

ZDub212

06-09-2007, 07:16 PM

LOL I saw your edit in my post and actually thought I miss-typed for a second:p

Technically...you did :eek:

naturalguy

06-10-2007, 05:09 AM

I will never supplement ecinacea (sp?) when i dont NEED it. Bad idea.

Echinacea, I think its spelled. I know a lady who takes one capsule a day and has never been sick, she is in her 60's too. I use it at the first sign of a cold and it wipes it out right away. I love it and would be lost without it.

Echinacea can be a very effective immune booster however it's not something that I would take daily. It's something that should be taken when a person starts to feel run down. In my opinion, it does not belong in a multi-vitamin.

clintwinz

06-10-2007, 08:44 AM

im currently using memebers mark advanced multi viatamin very cheap and doesnt really change my performance

drxmn

06-10-2007, 12:37 PM

fitnfirm

06-10-2007, 12:39 PM

Death From Above

06-10-2007, 02:41 PM

I weigh more than you Zach :p

Yes, I just came off a bulk awhile ago...just fyi ;)

4 inches taller than me and a whopping 24 more pounds

5'9'' 188 at 10% bf

or 6'1'' 212 at 15% bf?

what % of those 24 lbs you think is LBM?

ZDub212

06-10-2007, 05:10 PM

4 inches taller than me and a whopping 24 more pounds

5'9'' 188 at 10% bf

or 6'1'' 212 at 15% bf?

what % of those 24 lbs you think is LBM?

100% obviously :p

You seem to be quite hostile when I was clearly joking.

I also obviously have bulked up, hence I weigh 212lbs from 148lbs and had a 100 day long log.

WMD

06-10-2007, 08:35 PM

I've been going through that comparative guide, and I think this will be the next multi I buy
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/source/life.html

life force would be a great multi if it wasnt for the Bioperine (if they took that out this would be my multi of choice). Make sure do you do some research and weight the pros and cons before buying.

someone else explains better than i could:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=10570582&postcount=4

terracotta

06-10-2007, 09:41 PM

life force would be a great multi if it wasnt for the Bioperine (if they took that out this would be my multi of choice). Make sure do you do some research and weight the pros and cons before buying.

someone else explains better than i could:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=10570582&postcount=4

interesting.. I'll have to ponder it. I know a lot of supps have bioperine.

Death From Above

06-11-2007, 03:20 AM

100% obviously :p

You seem to be quite hostile when I was clearly joking.

I also obviously have bulked up, hence I weigh 212lbs from 148lbs and had a 100 day long log.

my congrats (serious) (no hostile).

WMD

06-11-2007, 09:16 AM

interesting.. I'll have to ponder it. I know a lot of supps have bioperine.

Its in a lot of supps because it improves absorption. Obviously it not the be all end all evil supplement but its always good to be aware that there is the chance of negative affects as well.

Ive read some people use it with certain supplements on an empty stomach when they know they are not taking in any unknown toxins- but that is probably not the best approach for a multivit.

terracotta

06-11-2007, 09:43 AM

Its in a lot of supps because it improves absorption. Obviously it not the be all end all evil supplement but its always good to be aware that there is the chance of negative affects as well.

Ive read some people use it with certain supplements on an empty stomach when they know they are not taking in any unknown toxins- but that is probably not the best approach for a multivit.

The cause mentioned might actually be negated by the antioxidants (but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure).

You aren't supposed to take bioperine near the same time as medications though. Which multi are you currently using?

terracotta

06-11-2007, 10:14 AM

Here are a few studies on bioperine:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=6&t=14634&st=0&#entry168515

There is only 3 mg of bioperine in that multi. The mice study claimed 1mg/kg to be safe, which is 60 mg for myself. Of course, you still wouldn't want to take it at the same time as prescription drugs.. but I think the multi is ok.

WMD

06-11-2007, 10:16 AM

The cause mentioned might actually be negated by the antioxidants (but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure).

You aren't supposed to take bioperine near the same time as medications though. Which multi are you currently using?

im using AOR Ortho-Core however its not cheap (and not on bb.com- who do i need to call to get them to add it? lol.).

Before that I had been using Life Essential's Life Essence (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pure/life.html). The ingredient profile seems good but i was a little concerned about the absorption/breakdown from the brick like tablets.

carl125

06-11-2007, 01:09 PM

I'm about to use animal pak but I was wondering, when do most people take them? I was planning on taking one pak at around noon or mid-morning (my workouts are usually around 6 pm). The package says to take them around 30 min before your workout, but downing 11 pills with my white flood and/or green mag seems like excessive all at once.

Mo34Hockey

06-12-2007, 11:11 AM

ee09

06-12-2007, 09:05 PM

Does anyone have an opinion on NOW Adam multi-vitamins. I haven't tried to many different types but I prefer those over any of my previous choices.

tom288

06-12-2007, 09:17 PM

Beverly Super Pak is awesome

adamjacoby

06-14-2007, 02:49 PM

RandomHavoc

06-16-2007, 07:11 AM

Alphy

06-16-2007, 08:38 AM

Jerr,

NOW Adam multivitamins are better than most retail vitamins you can buy in the stores. However, they fall far short of what doctors and nutritionists say you really need today, especially if you are an athlete/bodybuilder. The Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements gave the NOW Adam multivitamin a score of 2.5 out of 5 in their latest comparisons. This is a comprehensive analysis of over 1500 vitamin supplements in North America, done by a panel of 14 doctors, PHD's, and nutritionists. If you want the best, check out USANA Essentials. NOW is better than Centrum and even GNC, but it still falls far short of what our bodies truly need.

BTW, I do happen to be an USANA rep, but I try to be 100% unbiased in giving advice. That's why I go by the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements (completely independent of USANA). If you are interested in USANA Essetials, check out my website at: www.optimalhealthandnutrition.usana.com

Good luck.

Ok, I finally broke down and went to the website to check out this product:
http://products.usana.com/bin/us_essentials.pdf

Please school me as to WHY this is such a great product. Standalone it looks...well.....not so wonderful. No minerals at all, tablet form, and very average to say the least. Personally it doesnt look to hold a candle to a good 80% of the multi's on this site(and yes I have compared every one that I have found). Here's your opportunity to explain.

Also, saying that NOW is better than GNC isnt really fair either. GNC's mega-men looks pretty good....I would choose over all of the popular NOW multis(ADAM and eco-green), and im a HUGE NOW fan(and I have the monthly bills to prove it).

Alphy

06-16-2007, 08:50 AM

Right now I'm considering between 3 of them:

Universal Animal Pak - simply because of the huge ammounts of product sold. It can't be wrong.
AST Multi Pro 32X - is second on the list, so it can't be disregarded.
Controlled Labs Orange Triad - Getting a lot of hype and claims to be a powerful contender against Animal Pak.

If someone can help me gain insight on which would beb abest for me. I'm a new bodybuilder but dedicated to be sure. I'm looking to feed my deficiencies and to make sure it isn't hard to consume (swallow), price being the most negligeable of all criteriums.

Universal- I personally could never trust a company that accidentally contaminated their vitmains with steriods at any point in time. It speaks volumes towards their manufacturing processes. Other then that...yes, tons of people swear by them. Alittle overkill if ya ask me.

AST- Hold the iron please. 'nuff said

CL orange triad- Quick glance shows sub-par mineral lineup and chondriotin(read some articles on side effects of chondriotin, so I personally opt to stay away from it).

THE TURKEYS

06-16-2007, 09:57 AM

Echinacea can be a very effective immune booster however it's not something that I would take daily. It's something that should be taken when a person starts to feel run down. In my opinion, it does not belong in a multi-vitamin.

Actually, echinacea has been proven to NOT provide any sort of immune boost what so ever. You can check out the study at the FDA website. I was very surprised to learn this because I use to take it when I felt rundown. But, its just a misconception.

terracotta

06-16-2007, 11:14 AM

Actually, echinacea has been proven to NOT provide any sort of immune boost what so ever. You can check out the study at the FDA website. I was very surprised to learn this because I use to take it when I felt rundown. But, its just a misconception.

It's also discussed here
http://nccam.nih.gov/health/echinacea/

terracotta

06-16-2007, 11:17 AM

Alphy/Others, what are your thoughts on this one - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/source/life.html

Alphy

06-16-2007, 04:36 PM

Alphy/Others, what are your thoughts on this one - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/source/life.html

Doesnt look like a bad lineup with some decent ingredients. Lacks alittle in the minerals but does have some decent doses of other ingredients that alot of multi's lack(CoQ10, lutein, lycopene). Overall it's not bad, seen alot worse. Id favor it more if it was in capsule form, but thats a whole other debate.

My first thought though is- why dont you favor a multi with iron?

terracotta

06-16-2007, 07:21 PM

Doesnt look like a bad lineup with some decent ingredients. Lacks alittle in the minerals but does have some decent doses of other ingredients that alot of multi's lack(CoQ10, lutein, lycopene). Overall it's not bad, seen alot worse. Id favor it more if it was in capsule form, but thats a whole other debate.

My first thought though is- why dont you favor a multi with iron?

Because I've never been iron deficient. In fact, I JUST started taking a multi the first time since childhood with the orange triad (got it in the contest).

I'm also on birth control pills, so I don't lose that much iron during my menses (in addition to eating red meat/beans and other things high in iron). I've also been trying to balance the things you just mentioned with finding a vitamin with low levels of vitamin A palmitate.

pu12en12g

06-17-2007, 09:39 AM

You guys really should get yourselves a copy of The Comparative Guide to Nutritonal Supplements....

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:u1g_JHdqL1kJ:www.melaleuca.com/wc/pdf/ComparativeGuide.pdf+Comparative+Guide+to+Nutritio nal+Supplements&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

Maybe not such a good source

FYI... good discussion

RandomHavoc

06-17-2007, 09:53 AM

Universal- I personally could never trust a company that accidentally contaminated their vitmains with steriods at any point in time. It speaks volumes towards their manufacturing processes. Other then that...yes, tons of people swear by them. Alittle overkill if ya ask me.

AST- Hold the iron please. 'nuff said

CL orange triad- Quick glance shows sub-par mineral lineup and chondriotin(read some articles on side effects of chondriotin, so I personally opt to stay away from it).

Thank you, I'll look into those points. I thought I had them picked out well, what would be your personal recommendation. I would like to look into that as well.

Alphy

06-17-2007, 12:55 PM

FYI... good discussion

Thanks for the link, glad im not the only one that thought that guide was suspicious.

GeneGnomeX

06-17-2007, 02:22 PM

Thanks for the link, glad im not the only one that thought that guide was suspicious.

Although the review of the book has a product too, i'll look into this one some more.

GeneGnomeX

06-17-2007, 02:26 PM

It's also discussed here
http://nccam.nih.gov/health/echinacea/

lYou won't find anything supportive on that website, they always state that the science does not support it and conveniently leave out parts. It IS a government website after all.

terracotta

06-17-2007, 02:48 PM

lYou won't find anything supportive on that website, they always state that the science does not support it and conveniently leave out parts. It IS a government website after all.

If you have something supportive in a study, post it.

GeneGnomeX

06-17-2007, 03:08 PM

If you have something supportive in a study, post it.

Didn't say I did (never looked at this substance) just saying from past experience this website isn't a good source IMO.

I do wish CL would post references as to how they determined all of their additions/dosages, but alas, a pipe dream.

terracotta

06-17-2007, 09:28 PM

Didn't say I did (never looked at this substance) just saying from past experience this website isn't a good source IMO.

I do wish CL would post references as to how they determined all of their additions/dosages, but alas, a pipe dream.

Yeah, you are probably right :) .. not something I care enough about to delve in deep either.

NYY

06-18-2007, 02:58 AM

I thinking about buying some NOW Adam, is it good?

terracotta

06-18-2007, 08:24 AM

I thinking about buying some NOW Adam, is it good?

It's a good multi, but a bunch of the ingredients are intended for 30+ men. You'd probably be better off taking NOW Vit-min 100 or NOW ecogreen.

soccerstar27

06-19-2007, 12:42 PM

what would you guys preffer for a 19 year old that is trying to bulk up?

pu12en12g

06-19-2007, 12:45 PM

what would you guys preffer for a 19 year old that is trying to bulk up?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/orangetriad.jpg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/orangetriad.html

pu12en12g

06-19-2007, 12:46 PM

I thinking about buying some NOW Adam, is it good?

Not bad.. especially for 25+ guys like me :p

DinoT1985

06-19-2007, 12:47 PM

Not bad.. especially for 25+ guys like me :p

you have 25+ guys that like you? :eek: You player you!

Massimus

06-19-2007, 12:49 PM

I am currently taking Animal Pack by universal...I can't really compare it to anything else...but for the price and the quantity (44 packs for 20bucks) I can't really complain. I'd say I can definetly feel it break down my large meals faster, my stomach churns like a whore in church, however there is no pain or discomfort. The loads of B-vitamins give a mild energy boost..but nothing to go ape-**** over. If you can get past swallowing the 11 pills...its not so bad, it comes as a habit for me so its just whatever.

One thing it definetly does do is keep your immune system in tip-top shape...I used to get sick every other month and I have been illness free (knock on wood) for 6 months!

pu12en12g

06-19-2007, 12:51 PM

you have 25+ guys that like you? :eek: You player you!

LMAO !!! That was good :cool:

alphaproject

06-19-2007, 12:57 PM

I don't know about USANA but Melalueca are crooks. They are on rifoff report many times.

soccerstar27

06-19-2007, 03:42 PM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/orangetriad.jpg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/orangetriad.html

thanks for the advice bro, i went to GNC today and bought a Mega Men... just wanted to try it out. I'll see how this goes

jrxic

06-19-2007, 07:18 PM

Animal pack for the past 14 years. The only problem I have is some time when when I perspire i smell like a medicine cabinet.

New York

06-20-2007, 07:53 AM

I am almost done my bottle of Muti..
I take Solgar ( anyone have an opinion on this brand)
Not talked about here much..

I am liking what I read about Source Naturals Life Force Multiple

bigorangew17

06-20-2007, 08:32 AM

NOW adam seems like a really good multi, ive taken animal pak and a couple others, but adam has more ZMA than anything ive used before, ZMA is good for boosting T levels and there fore growth,

Ultra_Magnus

06-20-2007, 11:12 PM

Ive really only taken centrum and generics.

Started Orange Triad monday. Ill have to wait a couple of a weeks to formulate an opinion on them.

But one nice thing is they are easy to swallow and almost impossible to scratch yer throat with.

Finish First

06-21-2007, 02:24 AM

NOW adam seems like a really good multi, ive taken animal pak and a couple others, but adam has more ZMA than anything ive used before, ZMA is good for boosting T levels and there fore growth,

My NOW Adam had just run out :) I can't say is it works or not, cuz this is a multivitamin, not protein or creatine to define exactly is it work :) I ordered before a week ZMA on NOW FOODS bigorangew :)

i really think that the best multi is Animal Pak, i ll try it after few months :)

ironrex

06-21-2007, 08:54 AM

Greetings. Lots of good information on this thread. Since there are clearly some experts paying attention:

I'm a 24 yr old who is looking to lose a little bit of belly fat, tone and maybe build some muscle but I wouldn't call it "body building". I lift twice a week on average doing the whole body each time, and go mountain biking twice a week. I was using NOW Adam but recent posts suggest they are tailored to people slightly older than myself.

Given my routine and goals, what would be a good multi for me?

Thank you supreme informers.

Warneckutz

06-21-2007, 09:03 AM

CONTROLLED LABS

06-21-2007, 09:28 AM

I was taking AST's Multi-32X, but I'm switching over to Orange TRIad. I like the idea of the joint support other benefits it promises.

sounds great, let us know how you like it :)

ZCAY889

06-21-2007, 09:52 AM

in a sticky somewhere on this site i read the 5 guidelines to choosing a multi. One of them was that b vitamins had to be proportional, if there was a large gap (more than 500%dv) between the b-vitamins they would not function as a team as they were supposed too. Orange traid fails this miserably, having biotin at 100% and b12 at 4167%dv. This is a 4k difference, 8x the reccomended max. Is there any truth to this statement/guideline or is it false.

CONTROLLED LABS

06-21-2007, 10:30 AM

pu12en12g

06-21-2007, 10:33 AM

I was taking AST's Multi-32X, but I'm switching over to Orange TRIad. I like the idea of the joint support other benefits it promises.

Exactly :cool:

ironrex

06-21-2007, 10:36 AM

Ortho-core is looking good to me right now, the dosage says 3-9 tablets per day, how do you know how many to take?

Builder15

06-21-2007, 11:53 AM

I use animal pak it has every thing u need

soccerstar27

06-21-2007, 03:22 PM

after trying GNC's Mega Men my piss is bright yellow. Is that normal?

naturalguy

06-21-2007, 04:02 PM

I thinking about buying some NOW Adam, is it good?

Decent multi but not for athletes. Athletes have higher requirements then sedentary people, NOW ADAM is too low in the b's for an athlete in my opinion. Get a multi with at least 50 mgs of the b's and preferably 75-100 mg's.

WMD

06-21-2007, 05:09 PM

Ortho-core is looking good to me right now, the dosage says 3-9 tablets per day, how do you know how many to take?

the more you weigh the more you should take-also if you are lifting i would take all nine, 3-3-3 through out the day.

ironrex

06-22-2007, 09:33 AM

the more you weigh the more you should take-also if you are lifting i would take all nine, 3-3-3 through out the day.

I weight 150, still think I should take all 9?

aznAnimal

06-22-2007, 10:54 AM

after trying GNC's Mega Men my piss is bright yellow. Is that normal?

everyone of these vitamin do it, Opti-men does it, ADAM does it, AST does it they all do

K20A2

06-22-2007, 11:02 AM

I take a AST 32x in the morning, and animal pak before training(4:30 ish)...

If I'm not lifting and just doing cardio that day, I take two 32x.......

zoob25

06-22-2007, 01:21 PM

WMD

06-22-2007, 01:59 PM

I weight 150, still think I should take all 9?

if you are fairly active and can afford it I personally would but it would not be the end of the world to take fewer assuming you have a good diet in place (which you probably should either way lol)

mar430

06-23-2007, 10:30 PM

I think Animal Pak is the best multi-vitamin out there.....only thing I have against it is that they are like Horsepills.

My second vote would have to go to Ast 32X.

trueathlete

06-24-2007, 12:31 PM

I personally like VITA X by HARD Nutrition. It has worked wonders for me, and not just because they sponsor me, it actually works..

soccerstar27

06-24-2007, 08:25 PM

everyone of these vitamin do it, Opti-men does it, ADAM does it, AST does it they all do

thanks bro

Marsy101

06-26-2007, 02:50 AM

Alphy

06-26-2007, 07:23 AM

Mickfootie

06-26-2007, 07:30 AM

I'm using the Orange Triad from Controlled Labs and they look promising.
Good Multi Formula with the addition of Joint/Flex Complex and Digestion and Immune complex.

CONTROLLED LABS

06-26-2007, 07:40 AM

I'm using the Orange Triad from Controlled Labs and they look promising.
Good Multi Formula with the addition of Joint/Flex Complex and Digestion and Immune complex.

thanks for the feedback mick :)

Mickfootie

06-26-2007, 07:46 AM

thanks for the feedback mick :)

No probs Tank. I have to admit compared to my Sustained release mega dose formula these are much better so far. More energy and has also helped with a little gas i get from all the protein i intake... :)

scoot557

06-26-2007, 08:18 AM

I'm in the market for a new multi, as my bottle is running low.

I'm pretty impressed with the other CL Products I've used...may have to give Orange Triad a shot.

CONTROLLED LABS

06-26-2007, 08:39 AM

I'm in the market for a new multi, as my bottle is running low.

I'm pretty impressed with the other CL Products I've used...may have to give Orange Triad a shot.

You will love it and if you get 5 labels you get a free tshirt :) (check thread in company promo section)

scoot557

06-26-2007, 11:15 AM

You will love it and if you get 5 labels you get a free tshirt :) (check thread in company promo section)

I heard the T-Shirt was anabolic.

I'm so getting it.

New York

06-26-2007, 11:56 AM

I take Solgar Omnium (Advanced Phytonutrient Multi vit).

A family friend and very experienced nutritionist advised these to be the best on the market. I dont think they are widely available so going through a friend in the fitness industry may be your best shot.

Well at least Someone mentioned Solgar.
No One ever answered my post about it as a Multi..
What is the difference between the one you are talking about & the one I have been getting which is the Formula VM-75
Multi Vitamins with Chelated Minerals?

Stefanogym

06-26-2007, 12:46 PM

ADAM by Now Food, is pretty balanced and dosed, so i am using it right now as i am not living in United States and it is the best i can do
When i was living in US i had more opportunity and i was taking each mineral or vitamin singolarly in the right source and amount.

CONTROLLED LABS

06-26-2007, 12:47 PM

I heard the T-Shirt was anabolic.

I'm so getting it.

extremely, its even more concentrated now with an enteric coated delivery system :D

hunter1492

06-26-2007, 01:14 PM

Started with Mega Men Sport GNC, on AST Pro 32 now and it seems ok. Here is a decent log I found on Orange Triad. Looks good to me, ordering some today.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3129831&page=2&highlight=orange+triad

Marsy101

06-26-2007, 02:39 PM

Well at least Someone mentioned Solgar.
No One ever answered my post about it as a Multi..
What is the difference between the one you are talking about & the one I have been getting which is the Formula VM-75
Multi Vitamins with Chelated Minerals?

Yeah I love Solgar products - theyve been around for years but for some reason BB doesnt list them on the bodyspace supplement list?!

Do yours have any antixidants? The ones I use are pretty stcked with them... its the only difference I can see. Could be wrong though!

What else do you take - CoQsol, omega's?

New York

06-26-2007, 03:14 PM

Yeah I love Solgar products - theyve been around for years but for some reason BB doesnt list them on the bodyspace supplement list?!

Do yours have any antixidants? The ones I use are pretty stcked with them... its the only difference I can see. Could be wrong though!

What else do you take - CoQsol, omega's?

CoQ, Omega2( fish oil),Glutamine, Glucosomine,

Then i could get into the Creatines & The Growth factor.. etc etc

Buildin Muscle

06-27-2007, 04:22 AM

So can Orange Triad be ordered and shipped to Canada?

I am 36 years old, just entered weight lifting/fitness. Check out my Blog for details. I am taking Pantoloc which apparently can affect my bodies abilitiy to absorb vitamin B complex.

What should I be looking at multi-vitamin wise?
I have tried GNC's Men, and have just finished One-A-Day.
Didn't really see any benefit in either.

I did notice that I bruise MUCH easier than I did before, and I do experience joint pain after a heavy workout session.

You know that it's all aboot.... :=

Draga

06-27-2007, 05:05 AM

universal animal pak gives me all i want (H)

adamjacoby

06-27-2007, 09:25 AM

You all need to check out USANA Health Sciences. They are revolutionizing the nutrition industry, meeting the Good Manufacturing Practices for Pharmaceuticals (not many nutritional products can say that), they are listed in the PHysicians Desk REference (PDR) with speaks volumes towards the quality of the product, and have been rated the #1 multivitamin in North America for 4 straight years now in the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements.

If you are serious about your training, about recovery, and about preventing disease, you've got to check them out. They also have a great glucosamine product for any of you all with joint pain.

You can find tons of information about the company and their products by simply searching Google, or you can check them out on my website at:

www.optimalhealthandnutrition.usana.com

Either way, good luck!

terracotta

06-27-2007, 09:42 AM

Yes, orange triad can be bought and shipped to Canada (I have some here myself)

vitaminjunkie

06-27-2007, 09:45 AM

vitamin shoppe has a multiple called "Ultimate Man" whuch has the same formula as GNC's Mega Man, and only costs 1/3 the price.

Some Vitamin Shoppe multis were found to have above levels of lead. I can't remember which one consumerlabs busted them on.

VJ

Aaronharmon

06-27-2007, 06:54 PM

flintstones

the only anabolic one is betty :D

Me too, Flintstones Complete with Choline Baby.

GermanNexus

06-27-2007, 07:00 PM

1. Beyond Chelation Improved
http://www.optimalhealth-products.com/bci.htm

2. Beverly Int. Super Pak
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bev/sup.html

effec

06-28-2007, 07:30 AM

I ordered some Beverly Super Pak and were out of stock. I requested Animal Pak instead and so far so good.

Davidkim

06-28-2007, 09:18 AM

Animal Pak is the one for me

Martin2uk

06-29-2007, 10:25 AM

Um, do all NOW ADAM bottles say vegeterian formula on them? I ordered from Amazon and it clearly said "vitamin tablets", and nothing of veggie caps, and thats what I was sent. Unless they all say veggie formula on the bottle? Cause I'm not a vegeterian *confused*

pu12en12g

06-29-2007, 10:30 AM

So can Orange Triad be ordered and shipped to Canada?

Yep, you will love it :cool:

ZDub212

06-29-2007, 11:00 AM

Yep, you will love it :cool:

I really love the addition of R-ALA, I think I would definitely utilize this postworkout with my pwo shake, or my pwo meal.

jml1980

06-29-2007, 11:46 AM

on my second bottle of optimum optimen with no problems, i like the phytos and ingredient profile. i feel great on them, no complaints

Universal Rep

06-29-2007, 12:04 PM

universal animal pak gives me all i want (H)

Good to hear D... Haven't I seen you in The Forvm?

blindrider_2001

06-29-2007, 01:37 PM

Just ordered up the Animal pack, I have heard a lot of good things about it.

CONTROLLED LABS

06-29-2007, 01:44 PM

I heard the T-Shirt was anabolic.

I'm so getting it.

I really love the addition of R-ALA, I think I would definitely utilize this postworkout with my pwo shake, or my pwo meal.

yes, it is very good, but it did cost us a pretty penny to add it in :)

frankie78749

06-29-2007, 04:05 PM

if im 15 wat kind of multi-vitamin would u reccomend?

seminolesfan_07

06-29-2007, 06:45 PM

Is Animal Pump really as good as they say it is, or is it just all hype or what?????

jake24175

06-29-2007, 07:09 PM

Animal Pump is great. It's not a multi, but it's great.

As for a multi, Animal Pak.

There's a reason why it's #1. Try it and see.

alphaproject

06-29-2007, 11:19 PM

Check out NSI Synergy version 10 at vitacost.com and tell me if it's any good.

I'm thinking about trying it. It appears good at a glance.

Paulie_Pecs

06-30-2007, 05:40 AM

I would have to go with MHP Activite Sport, it may not be the cheapest but I have have exelent results using this product. I can actually feel the difference. Plus it utilize the protein much better in your system.

Curley678

07-01-2007, 02:23 AM

GNC's Mega Man Ultra Gold

Buildin Muscle

07-01-2007, 08:15 AM

I went down to my local supplements store to see if they carried Orange Triad and they don't. We looked it up online and them compared it to what they were recommending , Progressive Mutiple Vitamins & Minerals for Active Men, this as a MUCH better alternative:

http://www.progressivenutritional.com/images/individual-bottles2.gif

Combat Stress & Fatigue - additional B vitamins and higher potencies of the entire vitamin C family help to combat the increased stress levels associated with an active lifestyle. Glutathione, calcium, and magnesium also assist in supporting adrenal function and reducing fatigue.

Increased Oxygen Uptake - malic acid, coenzyme Q10 and ginkgo biloba all contribute to greater oxygen uptake, which improves energy production and enhances performance, stamina and endurance.

Electrolyte Replacement - potassium, calcium, magnesium and sea salt take part in replacing and balancing the minerals and electrolytes lost through strenuous activity.

Antioxidant Support - additional vitamin A,C,E, coenzyme Q-10, selenium, as well as added alpha lipoic acid and grape seed extract help to neutralize the damage from exposure to free radicals.

Greater Recuperation - N-acetyl cysteine, phosphatidyl serine and L-glutamine help to minimize recovery time after exercise. They also aid in the repair and maintenance of muscle tone.

Though Orange Triad looks good on paper, when you divide the numbers by 6 (the recommended daily dosage) the numbers aren't all that impressive.

Check out these results instead.
http://www.progressivenutritional.com/images/pop_up_ingredients_actmen.gif

At only 3 dosages per day it is easier to live with. I'll post results as I start to finish the bottle.

Check them out here http://www.progressivenutritional.com/multi/?section=individual#active

BTW, my opinions are unbiased as I am not affiliated with any supplement company.

Alphy

07-01-2007, 10:39 AM

In regards to the above- low magnesium, NO copper, and contains iron.

alphaproject

07-01-2007, 10:50 AM

That dosage of Co-Q 10 is a joke though.

I take like 100-150 mg's. Doctors give you about 400mg at a time for there to be true medicinal benefits from it.

I almost think multivitamins are a joke. Most of them try to cram too much in and end up just giving you tiny pointless amounts of good stuff.

You might as well get a good MV that has the main ingredients and get seperates for the really good stuff, like:

CoQ-10
Grape Seed Extract
L-Carnitine
Wheat Grass

for example.

freeweight

07-02-2007, 03:18 PM

http://healthrecovery.com/HRC_2006/PageMill_Product_Files/BioVitsReacted.html

freeweight

07-02-2007, 03:20 PM

http://healthrecovery.com/HRC_2006/PageMill_Product_Files/BioAminos2005.html

http://healthrecovery.com/HRC_2006/PageMill_Product_Files/BioBComplex.html

and they are all capsules so result is quick absorbing,and the vitamin and mineral product ,you can takeas many as you need till you vitamins are replenished

PAINisPOWER

07-02-2007, 09:27 PM

Animal Pak is great, but I stick with Opti-Men on a regular basis. I just like ON's supplements.. so I stick with it because it gives me all the V & M's that I really need.

mdouglasxy

07-06-2007, 10:29 PM

GNC's Mega Man Ultra Gold

I've been using "GNC's Men's Multivitamins" And I was wondering what the difference, and is there a better multi I can use.

Thanks

Kplum

07-07-2007, 07:06 AM

Multi Pro 32x by AST.. I was using NOW's Adam... I like the Mulit Pro a whole lot better..

amplified

07-07-2007, 02:01 PM

Animal Pak.

TANK25

07-07-2007, 02:43 PM

Animal Pak.

I have always used GNC Mega Man. where can I fine Animal Pak?

james1

07-09-2007, 03:07 AM

[QUOTE=q8ty;654125]Green Source Tablets

Description: Multi Vitamins/Minerals Vegetarian Formula. This concentrated formula contains over 100 potent food source nutrients to provide essential vitamins, minerals, enzymes and amino acids plus herbs, essential oils and other naturally occurring active food factors.

serving size 3 Tablets per day
006229 N/A 360 Tablets 47.88
4.5 month supply

URL:http://www.vitaminworld.com/scripts...56599600004740?

Befor I place the order is that multivitmain + Minerals + essential oils + herbs and amino acid worth to buy ?[/QUOTE

Me too,

amrk47

07-09-2007, 11:17 PM

Multi Pro 32x by AST.. I was using NOW's Adam... I like the Mulit Pro a whole lot better..

doesnt multi pro have iron in it

AphtaLyfe

07-09-2007, 11:22 PM

Yes it does. Which is really the only complaint anyone has ever posted about AST's multi.

amrk47

07-09-2007, 11:42 PM

im waiting for orange triad to hit ebay

Wiseguy158

07-10-2007, 01:51 AM

I go w/ CVS brand "CentriVite Preformance" 1 cap, twice a day. Keeps me healthy and recovering well.

hjhkh

07-10-2007, 02:30 AM

I got to go with Animal Pak,although tough to take It has always helped me acheive better results

hjhkh

07-10-2007, 02:32 AM

I have always used GNC Mega Man. where can I fine Animal Pak?Any vitamin shop

naturalguy

07-10-2007, 05:01 AM

doesnt multi pro have iron in it

Yes it does. Which is really the only complaint anyone has ever posted about AST's multi.

FYI, AST has recently lowered the iron content

pu12en12g

07-10-2007, 05:25 AM

im waiting for orange triad to hit ebay

Why ? :cool:

CONTROLLED LABS

07-10-2007, 05:58 AM

im waiting for orange triad to hit ebay

why? you can already find it for 25 bucks online and pricematch it to bb.com (it wont get any cheaper than that when paired with shipping costs)

Death From Above

07-10-2007, 07:17 AM

lol at this thread thinking a multi gave them their gains.

on a lighter note i ordered triad.

DTU

07-10-2007, 05:39 PM

Alphy

07-10-2007, 08:52 PM

Please do your self a favor and check out Nutrilite's Double X Multivitamin. Even if you do not buy it; this is absolutely the best vitamin in the world and you need to check out the nutritional facts.
Here is a link: http://msuriano.qhealthzone.com/products/product.aspx?itemno=A4300

id hate to think that's the best in the world, but it's def better then alot that are recommended around here. It would be hard to justify that price though......you could put together something very similiar for a fraction of the cost.