Best Overall Multi-Vitamin Product?

[ballawithbigbis]

I take a generic brand from walgreens lol, it works fine.

[hotshot5820]

Beverly Int. Super Pak. All bev stuff is pricey, but for a reason. no one can dispute thier quality

[drewkowsky]

GNC Multi-Gel

[jasonk67401]

I like the GNC Mega Men.

Have been looking at the Animal Paks..
Just started using Animal Cuts. Has anybody else used this product and how did you like it??

[Vasquez]

My vote goes to Optimum Nutritions 'Opti Men', good stuff and with decent doses(including getting it from the US & sent to UK).

[1-Testosterone]

Have you finished off with your Adenergy?
How does it stack against Animal Pak?

Originally posted by psychoJ
I got the ANIMAL.........Animal Pak is great, a must for the serious bodybuilder!

[NightTrain]

I use the Reg Centrum and eat loads of fresh veggies/fruit :D works for me@%^I tHink

[Valorien]

I have been taking Purity Product's Multi-Focus for about a year now. It's the best I've found and I did a lot of research on it.

Just to give a little backround info, you cannot get the positive effects of vitamins in minerals in just one pill. You'd have to take at least 3-4. Also, anything that comes in TABLET form does not efficiently absorb into your system. Capsules or Gel Tabs are the only way to go.

Val

[ShockerX]

I use GNC's Mega Men vitamins. It has alot of good vitamins in it that help me throughout the day. If I don't have a goot multi-Vitamin I start to dose off in the middle of the day. I feel more alert when I take vitamins.

[aurovon]

I just got the Mega Men Supplement. 1st time using multi-vitamins. Let's see if this helps. I prolly won't be able to tell any difference though. Did anyone when they start this? Also, there are no side effects are there? This is all natural correct?

[kendog]

Most ppl prob won't notice the diff. between a cheap multi and highly expensive one. It just makes ppl feel better to take expensive multis.

[StevieSparkZ]

Originally posted by kendog
Most ppl prob won't notice the diff. between a cheap multi and highly expensive one. It just makes ppl feel better to take expensive multis.


well, i think that you DO get what u pay for

[DerekB]

I personally love Animal Pack.

There are alot of great multi's out there as well, but to me this is the cream of the crop so far.

[DerekB]

Originally posted by aurovon
I just got the Mega Men Supplement. 1st time using multi-vitamins. Let's see if this helps. I prolly won't be able to tell any difference though. Did anyone when they start this? Also, there are no side effects are there? This is all natural correct?

You shouldn't have any side effect, this is correct. They are all natural supplements of minerals and vitamins your body needs.

You aren't going to be 2x stronger in 2weeks or anything, but you will feel healthier, you will have more energy, and your body will respond better to your training.

Your body needs vitamins and minerals just like it needs protein.

If you eat extremely well, you can get most of what you need through foods, but its pretty hard to get all the vitamins and minerals you need every day without taking a tablet.

Just like taking whey, its to make sure you are getting enough of what your body needs.

[Dann Bunting]

Animal PAK hands down!! More than just a multi. I have never had more energy

[Ceaze]

Natrol My Favorite Multiple Iron Free

[BeHappy]

TwinLab daily one caps

[BeHappy]

TwinLab daily one caps

Twinlab is always the best in supplements for me

[mazz1]

I really feel a difference when taking the Animal Pak compared to the regular vitamin/minerals you can get at the local Walmart or even the GNC Megamen. Those vitamins are made to support the activities of normal people - not athletes. If you just took 100% of the RDA of protein you would only be taking in 50g per day. Animal pak supplies the needed amounts of vits, mins, aminos, and efa's to support a bodybuilding lifestyle.

[timberwolf5725]

I have found a great multi-vitamin, mineral supplement. It is from a company called USANA Health Sciences. Check it out. I use them and think they are the best. Their website is www.unitoday.net/krakosky click on the nutritionals link. If you spend some time reading about the company I know you will agree with me.

[Isabelle]

I am so pleased with this product: LifePak, from the Pharmanex brand.

Sponsor to the Olympic Games through its products (100% natural, but highly backed up scientifically), the Pharmanex products are a true high quality label.

Check it out on www.nature4beauty.com, clicking on the Pharmanex section (and your country).

Feel the difference after only a month! :)

[lenochka]

Originally posted by louie
Okay, I was curious about the tallies, so I tallied them up. :)

I only included the multis that got at least 2 votes so it wouldn't be so cluttered. There were tons that just got 1 vote, and I was only curious to see which were highly recommended as that is what most people are probably most interested in. If someone said a certain multi was a close second place, then I included that as a tally as well; Again, the purpose was to see which multis are most recommended and that counts as a recommendation. Sometimes it was easy to give the specific product and sometimes I had to improvise and go with the brandname. Anyways, I figured I would share it, so here it is.

Animal Pak - 32
GNC MegaMan - 19
GNC Ultra - 6
GNC Solotron - 2
AST 32X - 17
Centrum (other) - 7
Centrum Performance - 5
ON opti - 7
Twinlab - 6
Kirkland - 6
ISS - 5
Flintstones (especially Betty) - 4
LEF life extension - 3
Beverly - 2
Eclipse 2000 - 2
Green Source - 2
Lifepak - 2
Men's one-a-day - 2
Natrol - 2

hey louie, great post. thanks! I decided to update the list and iclude posts after your post so here you go... the updated results of the best multi poll (I am also including my vote for the Animal Pak - the best, foundation multi that is packed with vitamins, minerals, amino acids, EFA and digestive enzymes)

Animal Pak - 40

GNC MegaMan - 22
GNC Ultra - 6
GNC Solotron - 2

AST 32X - 17

Centrum (other) - 7
Centrum Performance - 5

ON opti - 8

Twinlab - 7

Kirkland - 6

ISS - 5

Flintstones (especially Betty) - 5

LEF life extension - 3

Beverly - 3

Eclipse 2000 - 2

Green Source - 2

Lifepak - 4

Men's one-a-day - 2

Natrol - 3

[FranzLiszt]

What do you people think is the better between the
Opti-men 120 and AST multi-pro 32x?

[dpadula]

Originally posted by kj2833
but there isnt enough digestive enzymes in animal pak to do anygood. You should get those seperate if you want them to work. I personally dont want the stimulants(performance optimizers) though. and the facts on animal pak say you have to take 2 paks, or 22 pills. With this one there are way less pills.

edit: Also i refuse to support a company that makes a product that everyone knows causes gyno, yet they just keep on selling it.

Sorry, what product from Universal Nutrition causes Gyno? Is there a good reference to find out information on other products like that?
Thanks

[johnster]

Ast Multipro 32 for me. Used to be GNC MegaaMan but will never buy from GNC again.

[butchershop666]

dpadula:
Sorry, what product from Universal Nutrition causes Gyno? Is there a good reference to find out information on other products like that?
Thanks

That's the Animal Stak.

[leoe107]

I've been using GNC mega-man multivitamin for the past 6 years, and whenever I run out I just use my dad's centrum until I get more Mega-Man.

[Masse-ive]

Come on guys, multis should be cheap? buy from wal-mart? This is one of the most essential supplements EVERYONE should be taking!!! I suggest every go to your local GNC and pick up a GOOD multi-vitamin. Maybe the mega-men or ultra-mega gold. Go now, you can all thank me later!!!

[mindraper]

Why is it that one ALL of the "supplement wars" threads there always pops up few guys on every thread that PRAISE GNC and they all have like 1-5 posts on the forums? hmmm

[mindraper]

Why is it that one ALL of the "supplement wars" threads there always pops up few guys on every thread that PRAISE GNC and they all have like 1-5 posts on the forums? hmmm

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by Masse-ive
Come on guys, multis should be cheap? buy from wal-mart?

Ummmm .... yeah, actually, they should. Megadoses of vitamins are strictly for those who like exotic colors in their piss.

[Eric Burton]

Animal Pak by far is the best. cant go wrong with it

[MomWantsRipped]

Is that like "King Vitaman"? (for those outside of the US, King Vitaman is a sugary breakfast cereal)
:-D

Sandi


Originally posted by BPuller
Vitamin World, Ultra vita-man seems to be a good value for the money.

[ghostwheel]

I like Solgar vegicaps.

[Bullitt76]

Has anybody ever heard of Juice-Plus?

[jbyrd21]

definitely the way to go. wal-mart has a great selection of multi vitamins/minerals. They are practically the same thing with the same amount percentage wise in dosages. I wouldn't waste my time or money buying other packs from any other company.

[FarEastBeast]

AST 32X has synthetic vitamin E (dl-tocopherol), which is virtually useless. It's a small point, but I think an indicator of overall quality VS. manufacturer skimping to save bucks. Right now I take One A Day Men's but when I finish the bottle I'm switching to the Vitamin World Men's multi. My feeling is, buy bodybuilding supplements from bodybuilding supplement companies and vitamins from vitamin companies. Animal Pak looks good but 1) too many pills, and 2) don't want the stimulants.

[Friscogiant]

So wait for these animal packs how many pills do I need to take per day? From reading these posts it seems to me like I'd need to take 11 pills in one day. Is that correct? That seems like quite a few pills.

[Eric Burton]

1 pak should be good enough if your just a regular lifter. but if your an competitive strength athlete and training for competition, you should take 2 paks.

[Blashy]

I'm updating the good work done my previous posters.


Animal Pak - 42

GNC MegaMan - 24
GNC Ultra - 6
GNC Solotron - 2

AST 32X - 18

Centrum (other) - 7
Centrum Performance - 5

ON opti - 8

Twinlab - 7

Kirkland - 6

ISS - 5

Flintstones (especially Betty) - 5

LEF life extension - 3

Beverly - 3

Eclipse 2000 - 2

Green Source - 2

Lifepak - 4

Men's one-a-day - 2

Natrol - 3

***

I'll be trying these Animal Paks and report back. I like that it has the equivalent of 2 liver tablets (2 less to take), digestive enzymes (2 less to take from other sources) and amino acids.

[PDOGGY]

Look here:

http://www.vitacube.com/vitacube.asp?id=maleelite

[Alphadraggon465]

vitacube must be godly to be 300 dollars other wise id go with twinlabs multi, ast, adam by now, vitamin world vitamen

[Eric Burton]

$300 is way too damn much even if it is godly

[FarEastBeast]

It sure looks godly and it replaces a multi-vitamin, joint reliever, ZMA, and some other stuff but for $300 a month I'd need it to do my dishes too.

[bearfan3454]

cvs spectravite performance..Any good?

[killDozer]

Animal Packs , Hands down is the best. I work out between 3pm and 5pm. I used to take them at night after my work out before bed, and I would wake up with great recovery. I used to take them before my work out and they provide a great extra boost, but I prefer the recovery. I would like to take them in the morning and after my workout on training days as recomended, but there in lies the only negative that I have found. They are somewhat expensive for me, but still, I would use no other product.
K. D.

[Has-Been]

Animal Pack by Universal

[psychoJ]

right on...unleash the animal.

[Eric Burton]

damn straight! Animal Pak is the best

[roncoleman]

animal pak. This stuff actually give me energy!

[rizay]

Originally posted by tofu_guru
Opti-Pak by SuperNutrition... excellent product and it is used/endorsed by the US Weightlifting team.

Compare it to a bottle of any One-A-Day vitamins. Not "just any" multi will work, athletes need a superior formula, in my opinion at least.

-The Tofu Guru- BUMP

[wolfie5368]

CentrumSport:
The cost is good and most important, i feel it work everyday i take them :

[asiasbitch]

Been using it for 2 year's, has over 120 nutrients in it. I pop one per meal because it gives about 25% of the goods per feeding and wow, I feel it if I run out.... perfectvitamin.com

[dosman]

Most people do an overkill when it comes to multis, especially when they are eating nutrition bars, meal replacement shakes etc... that all contain for the most part the full spectum of vitamins and minerals.

IMO a simple Mens One A Day or Mens Centrum will do just fine and will help keep $$ in your wallet as well!

[jimbomc15]

by far universal animal pak bro, simply the best!

[Scorpio19]

Do you guys take 1 or 2 paks a day? How about off days?
Also..it seems like it has too little magnesium.

[ScottS74]

Flintstones

[Scorpio19]

Hey!
Where can I find AST MultiPro in Canada? Thanx!
Alex.

[Scorpio19]

nevermind...ill get the Animal Pak.
When and how much do you take? How about off days?

[mike75]

I do have animal pak...but i prefer GNC mega man. After taking time off with my Gnc megaman...I bought a bottle of 180 tablets last night and took 2 before i slept. I have a freakin boner all night right till i woke up...i have to wack it off in the mornning just to make it go away. Ahhhhhhh i feel much better now.

[Scorpio19]

hilarious!!!!

[Ironman88]

nevermind...ill get the Animal Pak.
When and how much do you take? How about off days?

You take a packet of 11 pills everday(including non-training days) and on training days that are unusually intense you can take 2 packets.

[LukeStacey]

Chemical Nutrition's Pro Vital.

Kinda pricey at £30.00 for a months supply, but has an AM and PM formula and it works, and is loaded with goodies!!!!!

[mazz1]

If I am dieting for a show I always use 2 animal paks per day. It just makes sure all the bases are covered in terms of the vitamins and mins. I use alot of the same protein and carb sources so I want to make sure I'm still getting the correct amounts of vitamins and minerals that I might miss when on a strict pre-contest diet. It also has bcaa's and digestive enzymes which are a plus. I think its by far Universal's best product.

[yoda69]

Animal pak is a good one, but I recommend Source Naturals Life Force. It's one of the few that actually has therapuetic doses of all the vitamins/minerals/herbs. Most multi's like centrum only give 100% of the USRDA which is a joke. The amount of vitamin C in centrum is the minimum that is needed to stave off scurvy!

[Cronus]

cvs pharmacy

[MarkRMonaco]

i just use a daily multi from costco which compares to centrum silver. 350 tabs for $10. its working fine for me.


Same here.. I use the Costco (Kirkland Signature) Premium Multivitamin w/ Herbs (including Ginkgo Biloba & Ginseng) 300 tabs for 12.00 .. and it's working great for me.

[jrsikes]

New Chapter, One daily. Probiotic Multivitamin.

[Fastone]

Berverly International multi-pak and Animnal pak are personal favorites of mine. I can honestly say I do notice a definite difference in overall well being from them.

[bringthepain]

GNC Ultra Mega Gold

[gstlynx]

Life Extension
Vitamin Research Products
Life Enhancement

Those are 3 companies that make stellar products, in research, quality and current with new discoveries.

[BuddyGoodness]

Is Animal pak better than taking a liquid multi? Does the pak have a good absorption rate or mega or ast for that matter?? I am considering taking Mega man or ast milti 32 on off training days and pak on training days, I am currently trying to loose weight by carbing up and training two days in a row followed by doing keto for the other five days. Does any of the above mentioned multis contain carbs?

[391rippy]

i'm surprised nobody has mentioned nutrilite double x. i took a ten day sample, and it improved my sleep, and gave me more energy. I was working 70 hours the week i took them, and only sleeping 5 hours, but i felt more rested than when i got 8 hours of sleep. nutrilite was the first multi-vitamin company ever; they definately know their stuff

[rick martel]

i take a normal (80% RDA) multi vit with no added iron/metals, i think this is fine, eating 6 meals a day with plenty of veggies and protein is enough without the multi.

[AntiZone]

Animal Pak... insane

[jason29927]

Gotta agree with the Animal Pak posters. :) I only take them on workout days and although the 11 pills can be annoying to take, it definitely improves the workout.

[Hass]

Animal Pak without a doubt

[Sumantek]

I usually go to sam's club and buy the member's mark vitamins. They have a very good amount of vits in them, and if you take 2-3 pills instead of one, you get a good bodybuilders or athlets dose.

It's cheap, easy, and reliable. Animal Pak is overpriced and ridiculous. I take ~200 other pills every day, I don't need to take 13 as a ****ing multivitamin.

[Young Taylor]

Centrum Sliver/ I know it's for the old muh****ers, but it's got what you need for weight training as well/ cheaper than anything you'd purchase at GNC too.

[wmte]

USANA essentials are by far the best mutivitamin on the market today they are pharmacuetical grade and you can feel the difference if you think your vits are better just ask me and i will tell you how they stack up or down cause theres only one other company thats remotley close. So i will give info on a score of 1-100 and 0-5 stars. Of course using scientific data not opinion.

[wmte]

Each authority that referenced is recognized and respected within the scientific, medical or naturopathic communities. Each has also published one or more works, citing specific recommendations for daily nutritional intakes. And from these authorities comes the Blended Nutritional Standard. The Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements by Lyle MacWilliam reviewed over 1,000 products and the top 500 are in Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements.


Phyllis Balch, CNC, is a leading nutritional counselor in America and a recognized
advocate of nutritional therapies. She is author of Prescription for Nutritional Healing: The A-to-Z guide to Supplements (2002) A Practical A-to-Z Reference to Drug-Free Remedies Using Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs &Food Supplements.

Dr. Michael Colgan, Ph.D. Is an internationally recognized authority on sports nutrition and author of the new Nutrition Medicine for the Millennium (1995) and Hormonal Health:

Dr.Earl Mindell,PhD. Is one of Americas leading nutritionists and internationally recognized authority on nutrition, drugs, vitamins and herbal remedies. Authored Earl Mindells Vitamin Bible for the 21st Century (1999) and Dr. Earl Mindells What you should know about Creating Your Own Personal Health Plan

Dr. Michael Murray, N.D., is one of the worlds leading authorities on natural medicine. Authored Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements (1996) and the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine (1998)

Dr. Richard Passwater, Ph.D. is and acknowledged expert in free radical pathology and trace element research. A biochemist renowned for his contributions to the advancement of the science, Authored The New Super nutrition (1991) and The Antioxidants

Dr. Ray Strand, M.D., has been a practicing family physician for 26 years and is a graduate of University of Colorado School of Medicine. Authored Bionutrition: Winning the War Within (1998) and What Your Doctor Doesn’t Know About Nutritional Medicine May Be Killing You 2002

Dr. Julian Whitaker, M.D., is one of the founders of the California Orthomolecular Medical Society and Director of the Whitaker Wellness Institute, Inc. Authored Dr. Whitakers Guide to Natural Healing (1996) he is also the author and publisher of Health & Healing a leading health newsletter in the U.S. with a circulation of nearly 700,000.

[Kanjiroo]

9 months been on the Animal. Love it! No colds/flu or crabby ache days. Really has made a difference in normal activity and alertness. Used to take GNC Megaman, but noticable difference on the Animal.

[MurphMan]

USANA essentials are by far the best mutivitamin on the market today they are pharmacuetical grade and you can feel the difference if you think your vits are better just ask me and i will tell you how they stack up or down cause theres only one other company thats remotley close. So i will give info on a score of 1-100 and 0-5 stars. Of course using scientific data not opinion.

Shaklee.

[AnimalOnly]

Time to clear up some ignorant hearsay about the animal pak.

1: Animal paks ONLY make your piss bright yellow when you don't drink enough water with them, this is improper use of the product, read up before popping pills like a dumbass.

2: Animal paks should be taken EVERY day, including your off days. For all of you people talking about cycling the animal pak, NO. ANimal pak is the foundation nutrional pak for the other animal products to work with, animal stak, animal m stak, animal cuts, animal test, etc.

3: If you don't think they work, then you should probably get the hell out of the gym and and go eat a bag of doughnuts somewhere. If you're serious about training, you go into the gym and don't come out until your target muscles are throbbing and you can barely use them efficiently. Balls to the wall effort, it aint about the amount of weight you use, it's about the results.

4: Take the animal pak 30 minutes after a meal, then wait about another 30 minutes-1 hour before hitting the weights, they should get you pretty jacked.

[Liquid]

rofl, its so awesome that so many people wiht like 1 or 2 post count are responding here... could you guys be any more obvious? stop promoting your own products please, let consumers debate here

[BuddyGoodness]

Whats the cheepest place to get the pak on the net? Also does the pak absorb very well, I mean taking them all at once doesn't some vitamins stop other vitamins from being absorbed in the body?

[DRCDesign]

I have been using NOW products for a number of years now. I trust the quality of ingredients, and the process in manufacturing this company uses.

I like "Special Two" High Potency Multiple with Green Superfood Concentrates. Reasonably priced, and comes in capsule form. I opt for capsules or gel/oil caps whenever I can as our bodies absorb and digest them better than tablets, and the manufacturing process is less damaging to the nutritional value. (e.g.) hot pressed or cold pressed.

[AnimalOnly]

I'm not some kind of employee for animal pak or w/e I'm just a really satisfied customer.

[Dusty Cox]

By far, Universal Animal pack is the best! Expensive is a relative word when it comes to this product, compared to other Multi vitamins. It is worth it! GOOD SHEET!

[Eric Burton]

Bump On That

[wmte]

They are listed in the PDR (pharmacuticle version) not over the counter version. The most powerful formulation on the market

[chris mason]

Check out Multi-Plus from AtLarge Nutrition.

http://www.atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?osCsid=5886c16be67c4554f4fb5d dd7414944f&products_id=6&osCsid=5886c16be67c4554f4fb5ddd7414944f

[marcp]

I simply could not justify paying 60 dollars a month for a multivitamin. You would have to show me some outstanding legitimate experiments that show how superior this product is for me to even consider it.

Hi,

I'm a Nutrilite user and also sell it as well. It's a whole food supplement.

Currently DoubleX retails for about $72 and wholes for about $52.

The advantage of DoubleX is the pyto-nutrients it provides. It is a whole food supplement, not a "run of the mill" synthetic like I've been reading about.

There is alot of scientific and clinical research on the advantages of phto-nutrients.

It depends how important it is to YOU on having an optimum supplement that provides 2000 mg/day.

It's important to me and to my customers.

My customers are very health concious and are looking for a product that is as natural and organic as you can get.

DoubleX is that product for them.

Would love more comments.

Marc

[brunobrown2001]

Anyone ever use Russian Bear?

Any good? It looks like you have to take 8 pills per day...

bb


One Russian Bear Pak (8 tablets) contains:
High Performance Anabolics - Beta-Carotene 25,000iu, Vitamins D-3 1000iu, C 2000mg, Natural E 600iu, B1 150mg, B2 150mg, B6 150mg, B12 300mcg, Niacin & Niacinamide 150mg, Pantothenic Acid 300mg, Folic Acid 400mcg, Biotin 300mcg, PABA 20mg.
Maximum Performance Anabolics - Leucine 1000mg, Isoleucine 1000mg, Valine 1000mg, Orchic (testes) Concentrate 1200mg, Thymus Con. 200mg, Adrenal Con. 200mg, Pancrease Con. 100mg, Pituitary Con. 100mg, Anterior Lobe Pituitary Con. 100mg, Hypothalmus Con 100mg.
Biologically Active Booster & Anabolic Sterols - Gamma Oryzonol 100mg, Smilax Officianalis 100mg, Beta Sitosterol 50mg, Stigmasterol 50mg, Fucosterol 50mg, Campesterol 50mg, Saw Palmetto 50mg, Gotu Kola 50mg.
Minerals, Methyl Donors & Energy Metabolizers - TMG 150mg, L-Methionine 150mg, Calcium 100mg, Magnesium 500mg, Potassium 99mg, Iron 30mg, Manganese 10mg, Copper 2mg, Zinc 75mg, Selenium 200mcg, Iodine 150mcg, Molybdenum 150mcg, Vanadium 100mcg.
Exegenous Anabolic Activators - Yohimbe Bark 600mg, Dibencozide 10mg, Boron 3mg, Trans-Ferulic Acid 200mcg, Chromium Picolinate 200mg, Colostrum 300mg, Mexican Wild Yam /Taro Root 300mg, Arginine Pyroglutamate 4410mg.
Metabolic Intermediates, Energetics & Adaptogens - Creatine Phosphate 50mg, L-Carnitine 100mg, Inosine HXR 500mg, Succinate 400mg, Carnosine 20mg, Lipoic Acid 100mg, Eleutherococcus 500mg, Alanine 500mg.

[VitaminBabe]

I have just started using this vitamins and I feel great. The Greatest Vitamin In The World supports the entire body,unlike most vitamin companies it consist of the highest grade of whole vitamins not synthetic :) I started taking it to support me through my diet and to help improve my skin.
http://www.dontforgettotakeyourvitamins.com/francis47465

[JigaroKagan]

Has anyone had any experience with the YourLife Daily Pak Maximum Multivitamin Pack? If not, can you comment on it?

It contains five seperate pills;

High Potency Time-Released Multivitamin
Provides gradual release of 23 important nutrients including high potencies of B vitamins and Vitamin C. Specialy formulated to release its nutrients over approximately 4 to 6 hours.

Vitamin C and Vitamin E
These two important vitamins are known for their antioxidant properties and immune system benefits. High potency formulations of these two important vitamins have been added to boost the potency in the multivitamin.

Siberian Ginseng
Siberian Ginseng has been used for centuries to help improve mental and physical performance, increasing resistance to stressful conditions.*

Chromium Picolinate
Chromium is necessary in the metabolism of carbohydrates and protein. Also metabolizes fat by assisting insulin, a key hormone.

Here is the full list and the dietary value of them;

Biotin 25 mg 8%
Calcium 130 mg 13%
Chromium 425 mcg 354%
Copper 1.5 mg 75%
Folic Acid (Folate) 400 mg 100%
Iodine 112.5 mg 75%
Iron 4.1 mg 22%
Magnesium 12%
Manganese 1.5 mg 75%
Molybdenum 7.5 mcg 10%
Niacin (Vitamin B3) 25 mg 125%
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) 25 mg 250%
Phosphorus 100 mg 10%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 25 mg 1470%
Selenium 12.5 mcg 17%
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) 25 mg 1666%
Vitamin A 5000 I.U. 100%
Vitamin B12 25 mg 416%
Vitamin B6 25 mg 1250%
Vitamin C 1200 mg 2000%
Vitamin D 200 I.U. 50%
Vitamin E 900 I.U. 3000%
Zinc 12.5 mg 83%
Ginseng 250 mg **
Inositol 5 mg **
PABA 2.5 mg **


** - DV not established

[DawsHoss]

I like GNC's Solo-Day Multi-vitamin. It's cheap and reliable.

[Lanceromance]

I'm doing a low carb diet so my muli really makes a difference. Source Naturals Advanced One

[marcp]

I like GNC's Solo-Day Multi-vitamin. It's cheap and reliable.

Cheap is not always the best route to take when using nutritional supplements.

If it doesn't matter to you that the multi you're taking is synthetic , great.

Labeling is so important. Does the label verify?

The multi I take is not cheap.

In my opinion, it's the best multi on the market because the vitamins are from REAL food, not synthetic.

It's a great way to fill in those nutritional gaps.

Take Care,

Marc

[JOEL5885]

Ultimate Man by the vitamin shoppe, only like 12 bucks.

[listen]

I like the Animal Pak alot, especially if you can take it before lifting. The only thing is sometimes I feel like I ate alot of grass or something for about an hour afterwards. And expect neon urine :)

[dave is cool]

I've been using GNC Ultra Mega Gold. Is this okay for a person that works out about 3 times a week?

[sevi1980]

I just started with animal pak and I feel great, I'm allready seeing results.

[Eric Burton]

I like the nice kick in the ass Animal Pak gives you

[WorldMuscle]

Most of the stuff you guys use is ****.

I take Nutrilite DoubleX. From the time its harvested to capsulation only 3 hours...

All the farmland around the harvesting areas was purchased to keep any contamination possibilities impossible.

ONLY vitamin brand that is pharmacutically endorsed, yes I said pharmacutically endorsed, not just FDA and the other BS for the crap vitamins like GNC and centrum.

[marcp]

Hi all,

I agree with World Muscle.

I also use and sell Double X as well.

Nutrilite Double X is a whole food supplement.

Why is it better to take a vitamin that gets it's vitamins from the exact same way as the whole foods we eat?

Answer is obvious. Eating right, lots of good foods, fruits and vegetables helps with a healthy diet and healthy living.

So Double X provides one with vitamins from whole foods, 2000mg/day to be exact.

In many cases, the body is incapable of distinguishing between synthetic and natural forms of vitamins, which means that synthetic and natural vitamins are equally effective. HOWEVER, natural vitamins, if delivered in their original plant context (such as in a concentrate) provide a wealth of other vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients.

Regards,

Marc Possoff

[dudleydawson]

ISS Multi Packs work best for me.

[AA1826]

i asked this in a thread but im going to ask it again.
I am using MEga Men which I notice a lot of you are using as well. It says that is is No Artificial Colors, No Preservatives, No Wheat, No Dairy, Yeast Free. Does this mean that it has no sugar/calories...? I was just wondering if vitamin pills had any calories in them.
thanks

[thursdayno1]

Any aussies tried using centrum?

[Cosmonaut]

Any aussies tried using centrum?
Well, i aint aussie but i think we all react the same to multi's. I am using Centrum and it is actually keeping me from overtraining, so its good stuff - it actually absorbs. I used to use some other brand and all i was pissing is pure neon yellow.

[mike21886]

im gonna have to go with flinstones or scooby doo there soooo awsome... just kiddin deffinately like the cheap no iron gnc multi

[Cosmonaut]

im gonna have to go with flinstones or scooby doo there soooo awsome... just kiddin deffinately like the cheap no iron gnc multi
Why no iron dont you need that?

[Pool_Shark]

Why no iron dont you need that?

Medical research says that lots of people are in danger of having too much iron. Men over 30 just one group of those who are in danger of having excessive amounts of iron, and it is therefore recommended to take multi-vitamins without iron or with less than 9mg of iron.
By medical research I'm referring to places like webmd, the nutrition action healthletter, etc.

For a while I used Optimum Nutrition opti-men, and currently using Now adam (taste disgusting by the way).

I wanted to try AST Multi-Pro 32x. If they ever come out with a version without iron, I'll use that.

[weight39]

I like anabol natural's "biobolic life".

"Men's health" chose centrum silver as the best overall vitamin. It's geared toward those over 50. However, "men's health" recomends it for men of all ages.

[schmiddi]

in german buy supermarket labels, is qualitatively nearly directly hi tec supplements to germany

[marcp]

Hi everyone,

I have a Blog.

What I'm writing about now is how to choose a multi-vitamin and the difference between natural and synthetic supplements.

Some good info, mostly from 3rd party resources.

You can see it at http://www.marcpossoff.blogspot.com/

Appreciate your input and contributions.

Regards,

Marc Possoff

[T.E.S]

Animal Pak

[Moreps]

Beverly International's Super Pack

[costasoldatos]

pharmanex has great products, they have a board of scientists and nutritionists who are hired just to study their Vitamin/Mineral packs, they also have a scanner they purchased and have the rights for from the University of Utah, it measures the amount of antioxidants in the body, which tells you how well your vitamins are working for you. This company also sponsors the Olympics and they are a billion dollar company and they don't advertise, word of mouth. Supplementswatch.com is a website that isn't affiliated with any companies and they rated Pharmanex's Vitamin/Mineral pack #1 with #2 being far behind. Check it out and you can become a distributor just to receive the products wholesale, a good way to save money, and you don't have to do anything, lol,
http://www.pharmanex.com/corp/science/index.shtml

[dhbiker250]

havent seen a diff, but i kno i have to use it. ast multi pro 32x is sweet and also not a bad price, but like sum1 said earlier.... walmart is the way to go.. same stuff yet cheaper

[RJO2K1]

Quality product, economical. Does the job.

[bodeh6]

I looked at that AST Multi-Pro 32X that a lot of people here like. It doesn't seem all that appealing. First it has iron which men don't need. Second it is just Centrum with a B-complex, some more Zinc, and more Vitamin C. It doesn't have anything special.

I recommend/use Source Naturals Life Force No Iron tablets. They won the Vity awards in 2003 and came in 3rd this year. It was also in the top 5 of the multis compared in that 500 multi test (I believe it was no. 4).
http://sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1459.html

Plus it is pretty good priced. You can get 3 months for about $31.
http://www.vitacost.com/Store/Products/ProductDescription.cfm?SKUNumber=021078000440&searchby=PN&SearchText=life%20force%20no%20iron

Another good multi is Dr. Walkers Low-Carb Multi. It is packed with vitamins in all of the right forms and is complete. I have also used and recommend this. It is about $18 for 2 month supply.
http://www.vitacost.com/Store/Products/ProductDescription.cfm?SKUNumber=895326100042&searchby=PN&SearchText=walker%20multi

[kendog]

I now use
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ns/one.html

good enough... its a multi..

[bodeh6]

Store brand multis (Centrum, One-A-Day, Theregran-M and others) are cheap and don't contain the vitamins in the right forms and inadequate amounts. Source Naturals Life Force, NSI Synergy, Dr. Walkers (made by NSI) Low Carb Multi, and GNC Megaman or the Vitamin World Ultra Vita Man are the best vitamins to take. Animal Pak is also very good. Do not turn your health over to the lowest bidder. Paying $100-$360 a year on a good multi is cheap insurance for the future. Also if you take any of these you do not have to add additional Vitamins E, C, B-complex, etc. Just take the pills in the bottles.

[Itln Stln]

I use Vitalert from Performance Labs (http://www.performancelabs.com/Products/Vitalert/VitalertMain.html). I get it from Costco at about 400 tabs for $11.99 which is a little over 3 months supply.

[Adenine]

I like Men's One-A-Day. Sure it doesn't have as much as other high end brands but I'm getting my other vitamins/minerals from food as well.

[dalbert02]

Hi. I am a newbie here, but I thought I'd ask if anyone has tried Phoenix Nutritionals products, specifically, Liquid Daily Supreme. It was invented by a doctor that specialized in nutrition and is head of The Institute of Nutritional Science. The doctor's theory is that you can not absorb most vitamins without minierals. For example, if I remember correctly, he says you can take all the calcium in the world but your body will not absorb any unless you take it with magnesium, especially as we age. He also claims that liquid vitamins are more easily absorbed then pills, regardless of brand. Therefore, his vitamins are liquid and contain many trace element minerals. Here is what is in his Daily Supreme. Opinions anyone?

Serving Size 1 oz. ... Per 1oz Serving % Daily Value
Serving per container 32 ... ... ...
Calories 59 ... ... ...
Total Carbohydrate 14 gm ... ... 3%
Sugars 4 gm ... ... ...
Vitamin A (as palmitate & 2% as beta-carotene) 10,000 IU 200%
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) ... 1,000 mg 830%
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) ... 300 IU 75%
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol acetate) ... 200 IU 667%
Vitamin B1 (thiamin) ... 25 mg 1667%
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) ... 25 mg 1470%
Niacin (as niacinamide) ... 25 mg 125%
Vitmin B6 ... 40 mg 2000%
Folate (as folic acid) ... 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B12 (as cyanoclbalamin) ... 200 mcg 3334%
Biotin ... 300 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid (as calcium d-pantothenate) ... 100 mg 1000%
Calcium (as citrates & chelates) ... 300 mg 30%
Iron (as fulvates & humates ... 4 mg 22%
Magnesium (as citrate) ... 100 mg 25%
Zinc (gluconate) ... 15 mg 100%
Selenium (selenium methionine) ... 70 mcg 100%
Copper (as gluconate) ... 2 mg 100%
Manganese (as gluconate) ... 5 mg 100%
Chromium (as polynicotinate) ... 120 mcg 100%
Potassium (as citrate) ... 100 mg 4%
Boron (as ascorbate) ... 1 mg *
Choline (as bitartrate) ... 25 mg *
Inositol ... 25 mg *
PABA (para-aminobenzoic acid) ... 25 mg *
Citrus Bioflavinoids ... 25 mg *
Dimethyl glycine (as dimethylglycine hydrochloride) ... 10 mg *
Silica ... 15 mg *
Gama Oryzanol (from rice bran) ... 50 mg *
Proprietary Blend of Amino Acids ... 125 mg *
(from gelatin hydrolysate) ... ... ...
Glycine Arginine - Valine - Methionine - Tyrosine ... ... ...
Hydroxyproline - Aspartic Acid - Phenylalanine - Alanine ... ... ...
Proline Serine - Isoleucine - Cysteine - Leucine ... ... ...
Glutamin Acid - Lysine Acid - Threonine - Histidine ... ... ...
Total Spectrum Essential Fatty Acids ... 250 mg *
(Total Spectrum Fatty Acids have been emulsified and are protected from oxidation and rancidity by a proprietary process.) ... ... ...
Alpha-Linolenic Acid (Omega 3) Linoleic Acid (Omega-6) Oleic Acid (Omega-9) ... ... ...
Proprietary Blend of Phytonutrients ... 60 mg *
Broccoli Powder - Banana Powder ... ... ...
Carrot Powder - Blueberry Plus Powder ... ... ...
Cherry Plus Powder - Peach Plus Powder ... ... ...
Spinach Powder ... ... ...
Proprietary Blend of Cell Ensure ... 300 mg *
(Cell Ensure is a Proprietary blend of the following antioxidant and free radical scavengers in a unique, hightly bio-available compound.) ... ... ...
N-Acetyl Cysteine - Bilberry Extract (berry) ... ... ...
Milk Thistle Seed (Silybum marianum) - Coenzyme Q10 ... ... ...
Quercetin - Alpha Lipoic Acid ... ... ...
Lycopene (tomato extract) - Lutein ... ... ...
Grapeseed extract (leucocyanidins) ... ... ...

Other ingredients: Purified water, plant-derived, ionic trace mineral complex (see listing below), natural vegetable glycerine, natural fruit juice concentrate, citric acid, natural flavors, Span 60/Tween 80 (1%), potassium sorbate, and sodium benzoate.

Bromide, Selenium, Titanium, Molybdenum, Scadnium, Uranium, Bismuth, Cerium, Thulium, Tantalum, Calcium, Phosphorus, Rubidium Strontium, Tin, Gallium, Hafnium, Cesium, Erbium, Thorium, Carbonate, Iodine, Cobalt, Zinc, Lanthanum, Zirconium, Terium, Gold, Ytterbium, Thallium, Fluoride, Chromium Copper, Nickel, Tttrium, Vanadium, Europium, Dysprosium Neodymium, Rhenium, Silicon, Iron, Antimony, Tungsten, Barium, Beryllium, Gadolinium, Holmium, Nitrogen, Manganese, Arsenic, Germanium, Silver, Tellurium, Samarium, Lutetium, Niobium, Platinum, Praseodymium,

[kendog]

As long as it is what they say it is then it's all the same on the molecular level. The only difference among them is prob. just absorption issues.

[]X[Tr3MaX]

As i take a fat burner, at breakfast and in mid afternoon, any suggestion of what time i should take my multivitamins? The compagny suggest breakfast or dinner but I wouldn't like to counter the effect of my fat burner

Any thoughts?

[Scorpio19]

Check these two: Super Multi Pak and Hardcore pak.
They look really solid:
http://www.naturesbest.com/index.html?section=Shopping&id=3004&catsec=229&-session=thisSession:61EA5ED210BAA9D45916691A234483 34

[mkosem]

i just use a daily multi from costco which compares to centrum silver. 350 tabs for $10. its working fine for me.

second that!

[Wink]

I use Vitalert from Performance Labs (http://www.performancelabs.com/Products/Vitalert/VitalertMain.html). I get it from Costco at about 400 tabs for $11.99 which is a little over 3 months supply.
Sounds good. but does it make your ego bigger as well?

[Farmrodd2223]

AST's Multi Pro 32x... good multi, but not cheap by any means. 20 bucks for one month, ooouuccchhh.

[dmead]

Animal Pak is a very good vitamin/mineral supplement. Large doses of what we need to recuperate. Check it out.

[danephillips]

Why would anyone buy from GNC ?

There prices are too high and most of their products suck .....


http://www.the-health.com

[Farmrodd2223]

GNC blows my cizzock.

[Apollo3000]

GNC Gold without iron

[Keso Going]

Animal Pak is by far the best muti out there!!

[costasoldatos]

#1 rated multivitamin/Mineral/Phytonutrient pack is lifepak from pharmanex, they sponsor the olympics, they are a billion dollar company and do not advertise, it's word of mouth.supplementwatch.com rates lifepak #1, and they are not affliated. They have 75 scientists on staff just to research their products, they also own the rights to a machine that measures the amount of antioxidants in the body, they bought it from the University of Utah, you put your hand over a blue light for 10 seconds and it prints out a score, this machine tells you how well your vitamins that you are taking work.

[Lavrik_AK]

I simply could not justify paying 60 dollars a month for a multivitamin. You would have to show me some outstanding legitimate experiments that show how superior this product is for me to even consider it.
Ask a local rep to hook you up with a 10-day supply. Seeing is believing, after all. I have to agree with the others on this thread that said Double X is where it's at. You can get more info at Nutrilite.com.

[ravadongon]

My dad sells Biomedica's Biotress at his surgery (http://svc002.bne153p.server-web.com/prod2577.htm), so that's what I've been using. It's really good :D

[danephillips]

Just another company to charge over priced product so the downline
guy makes money .......







http://www.plasmatvs.name lowest prices

[Lavrik_AK]

Just another company to charge over priced product so the downline
guy makes money .......


Someone's gonna make the money. It might as well be someone you know and trust instead of some faceless monolithic company. If every multi was made the way Double X is, they'd all cost $50/month. Do your homework.

[Scorpio19]

Great multi...beats gnc mega, ultra men, opti-men hands down. And combined during the day with some extra C,E,B-complex and Calcium/Magnesium will beat every super multi pak on the market as well. Why buy overpriced paks when you can build your own?

[danephillips]

Well most people buy the walmart brand that has stuffers
in the multi-vitamins ..pure junk ...

Animal Pak is a great product .....



Give me a sample of this multi-vitamin


I bet anyone to try solid whey

[Farmrodd2223]

How intersting

[Scorpio19]

...bump

[reconstrukti0n]

a doctor told me to cycle vitamins.I tend to trust the guy most of the time, this guy is a brain and has never been wrong in any of the questions i have taken to him from this site. But cycle a multi vitamin?? i cant see the logic in that. what do you all think.

[skinnybb]

I'm a long time browser, but a newbie poster. I hope I don't offend anyone in this thread, but I feel I must write something to counter all the misinformation that's being "promulgated" by the so called scientific nutritional companies, and to a lesser degree disseminated by the members on this forum, most of whom are extremely educated and informative in the art of body building, but seem to be convinced of the efficacy of their brand of supplements by the advertising prowess of these companies.

EVERY SINGLE multivtamin brand and formulation that has been mentioned in this thread will never be a truly complete nutrient source. It will ALWAYS be an amalgam of unnatural substances to the body. It will ALWAYS strain the body by requiring that it detoxify their unnatural structures and chemicals. It will NEVER be utilized, absorbed, and retained the same as food nutrients. It will NOT be able to prevent advanced protein glycation end-product formation the same as food nutrients. It will NEVER be able to have the antioxidant effects the same as food nutrients. It will ALWAYS be composed of petroleum-derivatives, hydrogenated sugars, acids, and/or industrially-processed rocks, and it will NEVER build optimal health the same as food nutrients.

The truth is that only foods, or supplements composed of 100% foods, should be relied upon as not containing non-food vitamin analogues.

That said, I would claim that there is not much difference between the brands mentioned in the thread. A 90serving, $6 bottle centrum would be equally beneficial as a vitamin/mineral source as an 44serving $20 Animal Pak, or the 30serving $300 VS3 brand. The latter products just contain additional ingredients that you may/may not justify spending 10000% more over the CostCo. brand multis. (of course, I would recommend multis which contain more food-form vitamins/minerals, than those which contain more synthetic vitamins/minerals)

The positive effects people are touting over one brand or another is just a placebo effect, or the effect of the added ingredients, but when it comes to the actual vitamins and minerals in the pills, there is VERY LITTLE difference.

There are really only two types of vitamins sold: food vitamins and non-food vitamins. Food vitamins will normally state something like "100% Food" on the label. If a label states that the product contains USP vitamins or 'pharmaceutical grade' nutrients, then it should be obvious that the product is not food. This is also not equivalent to 'food-based' vitamins, as there are almost always USP vitamins mixed with a small amount of food. This mixing does not change the chemical form of the vitamin, so it is still a vitamin analogue and not a food vitamin.

Some other companies (that do not use the term 'food-based') mix foods with the vitamin analogue and seem to imply that the vitamin is a food. For example, if a label states something like Vitamin C (Vitamin C, acerola) then it is also normally a synthetic mixed with a food. If the product were a food, it would normally state that the vitamin C was in food or from acerola and not use the term 'vitamin C' twice in a row on the label (many companies mix ascorbic acid with acerola).

The basic difference between minerals found in foods and those found in processed rocks (industrial mineral salts) is chemical. The other major difference is that humans are not supposed to directly consume soil components.

Minerals are normally found in food and in the body attached with some peptide. When humans eat plants (or animals) they are consuming minerals in those forms. With the exception of sodium chloride (common table salt), humans do not normally (in any significant quantity) consume minerals in the chemical forms known as mineral salts.

I could write pages on this topic but I'll just leave a sample of food vitamins, and their synthetic counterparts found in every single one of the multivitamins mentioned on the thread.

Primary Chemical Vitamin Form in Food
1. Vitamin A/Betacarotene; retinyl esters; mixed carotenoids
2. Vitamin B-1; thiamin pyrophosphate (food)
3. Vitamin B-2; riboflavin, multiple forms (food)
4. Vitamin B-3; niacinamide (food)
5. Vitamin B-5; pantothenate (food)
6. Vitamin B-6; 5'0 (beta-D) pyridoxine
7. Vitamin B-9; folate
8. Vitamin B-12; methylcobalamin; deoxyadenosylcobalamin; Choline (food); phosphatidyl choline (food)
9. Vitamin C; ascorbate (food); dehydroascorbate
10. Vitamin D; mixed forms, primarily D3 (food)
11. Vitamin E; RRR-alpha-tocopherol (food)
12. Vitamin K; phylloquinone (food)


Vitamin Analogue Chemical Form (Often Called Natural)
1. Vitamin A acetate; vitamin A palmitate; betacarotene (isolated)
2. Thiamin mononitrate; thiamin hydrochloride; thiamin HCL
3. Riboflavin (isolated); USP vitamin B2
4. Niacin (isolated); niacinamide (isolated)
5. Pantothenic acid; calcium pantothenate; panthenol
6. Pyridoxine hydrochloride; pyridoxine HCL
7. Folic acid
8. Cyanocobalamin; hydroxycobalamin; Choline chloride; choline bitartrate
9. Ascorbic acid; most mineral ascorbates (i.e. calcium ascorbate)
10. Vitamin D1 (isolated); Vitamin D2 (isolated); Vitamin D3 (isolated) ; Vitamin D4; ergosterol (isolated); cholecalciferol (isolated); lumisterol
11. Vitamin E acetate; Mixed tocopherols; all-rac-alpha-tocopherol; d-l--alpha-tocopherol; d-alpha-tocopherol (isolated); dl-alpha-tocopheryl acetate; all acetate forms
12. Vitamin K3; menadione; phytonadione; naphthoquinone; dihydro-vitamin K1


Food based vitamins are up to 15 times more potent, better absorbed, and retained longer in the body than their non-food counterparts.
Food based minerals are up to 25times more potent than those found in the multivitamins mentioned on this thread.

So in conclusion, I would recommend a general multivitamin that costs no more than $20/month's supply, and use the rest of your money to buy a all kinds of fruits and vegetables, mix them all in a juicer, and drink them 3-4x a day. You'll end up spending the same amount of money, but you'll feel better, have better recovery, have more energy, live longer, etc.

I hope this has helped those who are confused about the hype of multivitamins.

cheers

[danephillips]

First Doctor MD that is are not taught nutrition and know very very little
about nutrition ....They make their money on prescription remember.

Cycle nutrition is crap - your body need nutrition to function
without the right amounts of nutrition your body gets sick.
Most people bodies are crying for nutrition...



Fact food manufactured today have little or no nutrition left in them.

Also the body cannot and will not get all it's nutritional value of any foods
no matter how pure the food.

3) There is a world of difference between supplements ,unlike what you said.
Purchase only pharmaceutical grade supplements .Supplements must meet pharmaceutical standards for supplement.

[Scorpio19]

I'm a long time browser, but a newbie poster. I hope I don't offend anyone in this thread, but I feel I must write something to counter all the misinformation that's being "promulgated" by the so called scientific nutritional companies, and to a lesser degree disseminated by the members on this forum, most of whom are extremely educated and informative in the art of body building, but seem to be convinced of the efficacy of their brand of supplements by the advertising prowess of these companies.

EVERY SINGLE multivtamin brand and formulation that has been mentioned in this thread will never be a truly complete nutrient source. It will ALWAYS be an amalgam of unnatural substances to the body. It will ALWAYS strain the body by requiring that it detoxify their unnatural structures and chemicals. It will NEVER be utilized, absorbed, and retained the same as food nutrients. It will NOT be able to prevent advanced protein glycation end-product formation the same as food nutrients. It will NEVER be able to have the antioxidant effects the same as food nutrients. It will ALWAYS be composed of petroleum-derivatives, hydrogenated sugars, acids, and/or industrially-processed rocks, and it will NEVER build optimal health the same as food nutrients.

The truth is that only foods, or supplements composed of 100% foods, should be relied upon as not containing non-food vitamin analogues.

That said, I would claim that there is not much difference between the brands mentioned in the thread. A 90serving, $6 bottle centrum would be equally beneficial as a vitamin/mineral source as an 44serving $20 Animal Pak, or the 30serving $300 VS3 brand. The latter products just contain additional ingredients that you may/may not justify spending 10000% more over the CostCo. brand multis. (of course, I would recommend multis which contain more food-form vitamins/minerals, than those which contain more synthetic vitamins/minerals)

The positive effects people are touting over one brand or another is just a placebo effect, or the effect of the added ingredients, but when it comes to the actual vitamins and minerals in the pills, there is VERY LITTLE difference.

There are really only two types of vitamins sold: food vitamins and non-food vitamins. Food vitamins will normally state something like "100% Food" on the label. If a label states that the product contains USP vitamins or 'pharmaceutical grade' nutrients, then it should be obvious that the product is not food. This is also not equivalent to 'food-based' vitamins, as there are almost always USP vitamins mixed with a small amount of food. This mixing does not change the chemical form of the vitamin, so it is still a vitamin analogue and not a food vitamin.

Some other companies (that do not use the term 'food-based') mix foods with the vitamin analogue and seem to imply that the vitamin is a food. For example, if a label states something like Vitamin C (Vitamin C, acerola) then it is also normally a synthetic mixed with a food. If the product were a food, it would normally state that the vitamin C was in food or from acerola and not use the term 'vitamin C' twice in a row on the label (many companies mix ascorbic acid with acerola).

The basic difference between minerals found in foods and those found in processed rocks (industrial mineral salts) is chemical. The other major difference is that humans are not supposed to directly consume soil components.

Minerals are normally found in food and in the body attached with some peptide. When humans eat plants (or animals) they are consuming minerals in those forms. With the exception of sodium chloride (common table salt), humans do not normally (in any significant quantity) consume minerals in the chemical forms known as mineral salts.

cheers

How about greens+ or multi+ ...the powder ..they say its from real food.it may be true but it costs a heck lot more (about 3x as much as your average multi)

[skinnybb]

First Doctor MD that is are not taught nutrition and know very very little
about nutrition ....They make their money on prescription remember.

Agreed. Most doctors are not well versed in nutrition simply because it is not their field of speciality. Sports medicine specialists, and nutritional physiologists on the other hand, seem more knowledgeable about the subject.


Cycle nutrition is crap - your body need nutrition to function without the right amounts of nutrition your body gets sick.
Most people bodies are crying for nutrition...

Fact food manufactured today have little or no nutrition left in them.

Also the body cannot and will not get all it's nutritional value of any foods
no matter how pure the food.

A chopped up bag of carrots, spinach, brocolli, berries, pears, grapes, etc. has a far better quality of vitamins and minerals than what you'll find in any multivitamin bottle, albeit at a lower overall potency, but the numerous side benifits of taking food-form vitamins and minerals greatly outweight that factor. It is ludricrious to state that food manufactured today has little or no nutrition left. Eggs, and lean meats are arguably the best complete sources of protein, not protein powders. Fruits and vegetables are the best complete sources of vitamins and minerals, not multivitamin pills. Brown rice, sweet potatoes, yams, and the like are the best sources of complex carbohydrates, and fiber, not a tub of n-large2.

Supplements are just that - they are meant to supplement a healthy diet comprised of natural foods, since these days, it is rather difficult for people to take in 6-8 balanced meals per day.

Similarly, pharmaceutical vitamin supplements are complements to their food-form vitamins, and can never substitute the importance of a diet high in fruits and vegetables.


3) There is a world of difference between supplements ,unlike what you said. Purchase only pharmaceutical grade supplements .Supplements must meet pharmaceutical standards for supplement.

You should read what I wrote more carefully. I never wrote that there wasn't a difference between supplements. I wrote that there is not much difference between the brands of multivitamins mentioned in this particular thread. I'm sure there are low-grade multivitamins out there that were not mentioned in this thread, and I know there is a world of difference in the myriad supplements that are out there (protein powders, creatine, etc.), but bear in mind that we are talking about a specific subject.

I am just stressing that people should take a multivitamin, but consume copious amounts of fresh fruits and vegetables, and in my opinion, it's far better to buy a centrum-type brand of multi-vitamin, and use the remaining money to purchase 10lbs of fruits and veges a week, and juice it all up.

I still mantain that for the best gains, and for the best well-being, one should have a diet rich in fruits, and vegetables, lean meats, and good fats. A multivitamin is very important, but they're all pretty much the same, since they're all synthesized vitamins, and not food-form vitamins.

cheers!

[skinnybb]

How about greens+ or multi+ ...the powder ..they say its from real food.it may be true but it costs a heck lot more (about 3x as much as your average multi)

Just go to www.greenspluscanada.com and see the ingredients for yourself. The multi+ is almost the same as any other brand of multivitamin. The greens+ do have phytonutrients, and come from a variety of natural sources and contain bioactive minerals, so I'm sure it's good for you, but the vitamins are the same as everywhere else.

I would still recommend a general multivitamin (unless you can find one with food-form minerals and vitamins, and I've looked all over, and can't find any..), and lots of fruits and vegetables (7-12servings per day). It's still cheaper, and it cannot be equalled by pills, just like real food cannot be equalled by powders.

cheeers!

[Itln Stln]

Sounds good. but does it make your ego bigger as well?

What are you trying to say!

[Scorpio19]

Just go to www.greenspluscanada.com and see the ingredients for yourself. The multi+ is almost the same as any other brand of multivitamin. The greens+ do have phytonutrients, and come from a variety of natural sources and contain bioactive minerals, so I'm sure it's good for you, but the vitamins are the same as everywhere else.

I would still recommend a general multivitamin (unless you can find one with food-form minerals and vitamins, and I've looked all over, and can't find any..), and lots of fruits and vegetables (7-12servings per day). It's still cheaper, and it cannot be equalled by pills, just like real food cannot be equalled by powders.

cheeers!

VERY TRUE!

[Lavrik_AK]

Well, i aint aussie but i think we all react the same to multi's. I am using Centrum and it is actually keeping me from overtraining, so its good stuff - it actually absorbs. I used to use some other brand and all i was pissing is pure neon yellow.
My father-in-law, who, unfortunately, doesn't use a multi at all, is a drug/alcohol counselor. Because of the overall physical state of substance abusers, his groups were visited by a nutrition specialist, who cited Centrum as one of the worst at being absorbed into the body.

He told of one time when a patient of his was x-rayed (for something unrelated to vitamins) in his abdominal area. He said to his patient he could tell that he was taking vitamins. The man was surprised and said, yes I am, how did you know? The doc said, pointing to the x-ray, Well, here's the one you took today, here's the one from yesterday, and here's the day before that. All 3 were being pushed down his intestinal tract completely intact. They were Centrums!

[koolaid71]

I take the Vitality Pack.

They are made by a company called Melaleuca "The Wellness Company"

They use something called Fructose Compounding to deliver greater quantity of minerals to your cells. They hold scientific patents in US & Canada.
Absobtion is around 80 - 95%...according to said patents.

They have given me increased energy, and took away headaches I had almost daily for years. Other multi's I tried did not do this. I've been using this product without interuption since '99.

I'm a very happy customer :)

[NonCon]

Check out DX7. Nothing beats it.

[lamby]

how are twin lab daily caps?

[Seventh Son]

Dx7

[Scorpio19]

what's dx7

[bts327]

Agreed. Most doctors are not well versed in nutrition simply because it is not their field of speciality. Sports medicine specialists, and nutritional physiologists on the other hand, seem more knowledgeable about the subject.



A chopped up bag of carrots, spinach, brocolli, berries, pears, grapes, etc. has a far better quality of vitamins and minerals than what you'll find in any multivitamin bottle, albeit at a lower overall potency, but the numerous side benifits of taking food-form vitamins and minerals greatly outweight that factor. It is ludricrious to state that food manufactured today has little or no nutrition left. Eggs, and lean meats are arguably the best complete sources of protein, not protein powders. Fruits and vegetables are the best complete sources of vitamins and minerals, not multivitamin pills. Brown rice, sweet potatoes, yams, and the like are the best sources of complex carbohydrates, and fiber, not a tub of n-large2.

Supplements are just that - they are meant to supplement a healthy diet comprised of natural foods, since these days, it is rather difficult for people to take in 6-8 balanced meals per day.

Similarly, pharmaceutical vitamin supplements are complements to their food-form vitamins, and can never substitute the importance of a diet high in fruits and vegetables.



You should read what I wrote more carefully. I never wrote that there wasn't a difference between supplements. I wrote that there is not much difference between the brands of multivitamins mentioned in this particular thread. I'm sure there are low-grade multivitamins out there that were not mentioned in this thread, and I know there is a world of difference in the myriad supplements that are out there (protein powders, creatine, etc.), but bear in mind that we are talking about a specific subject.

I am just stressing that people should take a multivitamin, but consume copious amounts of fresh fruits and vegetables, and in my opinion, it's far better to buy a centrum-type brand of multi-vitamin, and use the remaining money to purchase 10lbs of fruits and veges a week, and juice it all up.

I still mantain that for the best gains, and for the best well-being, one should have a diet rich in fruits, and vegetables, lean meats, and good fats. A multivitamin is very important, but they're all pretty much the same, since they're all synthesized vitamins, and not food-form vitamins.

cheers!


Good post...rep for you.

[bts327]

Food based vitamins are up to 15 times more potent, better absorbed, and retained longer in the body than their non-food counterparts.
Food based minerals are up to 25times more potent than those found in the multivitamins mentioned on this thread.

So in conclusion, I would recommend a general multivitamin that costs no more than $20/month's supply, and use the rest of your money to buy a all kinds of fruits and vegetables, mix them all in a juicer, and drink them 3-4x a day. You'll end up spending the same amount of money, but you'll feel better, have better recovery, have more energy, live longer, etc.

I hope this has helped those who are confused about the hype of multivitamins.

cheers


another good post

[Pioneer]

ok so ive basically seen two supplements...Multi Pro 32x and Animal Pak

one has 3 pills to consume the other has 10 or 11, different post say different things.

WHICH ONE IS BETTER? someone post something conclusive the guy guy above did only this time make it about these two multi's.

[Shortfuze]

As far as multis go, I like to find a combination of affordability, quantity and quality. I have tried AST Multi Pro 32x because a lot of respected members on this forum swear by it. I have personally never used Animal Pak but a large majority folks say that its really good. I say that if you can afford it, go for the major brands. Right now, I'm using NOW Ecogreen multi(Iron free). It is less expensive, lasts for 60 days( I take 2 a day), and quality wise it seems alright. I have no complaints.

cheers! :)

[bodeh6]

The New Life Force No Iron from Source Naturals is even better then before.

Supplement Facts for Tablets
Serving Size: 2 Tablets
Amount %DV
Vitamin A (as beta-carotene 10,000 IU & palmitate 2,500 IU) 12500 IU 250
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid & ascorbyl palmitate) 500 mg 840
Vitamin D-3 (as cholecalciferol) 200 IU 50
Vitamin E (as vitamin E succinate) 200 IU 670
Vitamin K 100 mcg 130
Thiamin (vitamin B-1) 50 mg 3350
Riboflavin (vitamin B-2) 50 mg 2950
Niacinamide 35 mg & Niacin 15 mg 50 mg 250
Vitamin B-6 (as pyridoxine HCl & pyridoxal-5'-phosphate [Coenzymated™]) 50 mg 2500
Folate (as folic acid) 400 mcg 100
Vitamin B-12 (as methylcobalamin) 200 mcg 3340
Biotin 150 mcg 50
Pantothenic Acid (as calcium D-pantothenate & panthethine) 55 mg 550
Calcium (as calcium carbonate, malate, chelate, & citrate) 100 mg 10
Iodine (from kelp) 100 mcg 70
Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 100 mcg 25
Zinc (as zinc citrate & monomethionine [Opti-Zinc®]) 15 mg 100
Selenium (as L-selenomethionine [SelenoPure™] & sodium selenite) 100 mcg 140
Copper (as copper sebacate) 1 mg 50
Manganese (as manganese citrate) 3 mg 150
Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate [ChromeMate®] & chromium picolinate) 100 mcg 80
Molybdenum (as molybdenum chelate) 100 mcg 130
Potassium (as potassium citrate) 50 mg 2
N-Acetyl Cysteine 100 mg †
Milk Thistle Seed Extract Yielding 60 mg Silymarin 72 mg †
gamma-E Complex 67 mg †
Choline (as bitartrate) 50 mg †
Inositol 50 mg †
alpha-Lipoic Acid & R-Lipoic Acid 40 mg †
DMAE (as bitartrate) 30 mg †
Grape Seed Extract (Proanthodyn™) 30 mg †
MSM (methylsulfonylmethane [OptiMSM™]) 25 mg †
Hawthorn Berry Extract (4:1) 25 mg †
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine 25 mg †
Turmeric Rhizome Extract 95% 25 mg †
Green Tea Extract (95% polyphenols, 35% EGCG) 25 mg †
Quercetin 25 mg †
Coenzyme Q10 20 mg †
Ginkgo Biloba Leaf 24% (50:1 Extract) 20 mg †
Bilberry Standardized Extract 10 mg †
Tocotrienol Complex (Tocomax®) 10 mg †
Rutin 5 mg †
Pepper Fruit Extract (Bioperine®) 3 mg †
Lycopene 3 mg †
Boron (as amino acid chelate) 2 mg †
Lutein (FloraGlo®) 2 mg †
Astaxanthin 100 mcg †

[bodeh6]

It only costs just over $10 a month and is complete.

[apothy]

i r teh n00b to this forum. i was just wondering, is centrum a good multivitamin when compared to the ones you guys discuss?

[dave is cool]

I started using Animal Pak about 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure how effective it is. How can you tell if a multivitamin is "getting the job done"?

[JD_MUNOZ_27]

AnimalPak, lots of pills and CHEAP!
$18.95 + 4.85 S&H...on most websites and GNC pricematch


I agree VIN Animal Pak ....but I also have plans to try different Multi's in the future I give brands about 3-6 months to prove it self , and Animal Pak (Universal) has proven it self. But dont forget there might always be better out there...

so try them and find the one that works best for you.

[Lavrik_AK]

i r teh n00b to this forum. i was just wondering, is centrum a good multivitamin when compared to the ones you guys discuss?

Any other brand would be an improvement.

[pudge11]

I used to take animal pak...Its just a pain in the ass...and its not like its some scientifically based ratio of nutrients...they take some pills from their other products and just throw them in there...like a uni-liver tab...and the digestive enzyme tab...i started using AST MULTI PRO32X, it has the vit's i need, and i take the other stuff that animal has when i feel i need it, for instance, i take a digestive enzyme in the morning, and one post workout for the huge ammount of food im about to consume, and i get my omega's from flax in my morning shake...animal pak has some omegas, but a very small quantity of them...

[Gwailo168]

well this is my first reply, and i started to read all the pages, however, some site malfunction prevented that. So now i just want to post.


My mom got GLACIAL MILK multivitamin liquid from a friend, and her friend swore by it. So my mom and i started to take it. My mom noticed a major different in her energy and said her nails even grow longer on it. My sister started to take it along with her live in BF, and they both love it. He said that it makes him feel like an 18 year old and even gives him the sex drive of an 18 year old. (he's in his mid 30s).

I sat at the computer and compared ASTs 32 multi that was so highly prescribed here, and i feel that it falls short of GLACIAL MILK and its nutrients.

Glacial Milk was being sold at Costco, however, i haven't seen it there for a while. I searched online and i came across their website and it seems as if GLACIAL MILK is being replaced by a new improved version of it called MEGA ALOE something.


And here is the info for the new MEGA ALOE version


http://www.4tgl.com/MegaAloe.htm

[pyro123]

The New Life Force No Iron from Source Naturals is even better then before.

Supplement Facts for Tablets
Serving Size: 2 Tablets
Amount %DV
Vitamin A (as beta-carotene 10,000 IU & palmitate 2,500 IU) 12500 IU 250
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid & ascorbyl palmitate) 500 mg 840
Vitamin D-3 (as cholecalciferol) 200 IU 50
Vitamin E (as vitamin E succinate) 200 IU 670
Vitamin K 100 mcg 130
Thiamin (vitamin B-1) 50 mg 3350
Riboflavin (vitamin B-2) 50 mg 2950
Niacinamide 35 mg & Niacin 15 mg 50 mg 250
Vitamin B-6 (as pyridoxine HCl & pyridoxal-5'-phosphate [Coenzymated™]) 50 mg 2500
Folate (as folic acid) 400 mcg 100
Vitamin B-12 (as methylcobalamin) 200 mcg 3340
Biotin 150 mcg 50
Pantothenic Acid (as calcium D-pantothenate & panthethine) 55 mg 550
Calcium (as calcium carbonate, malate, chelate, & citrate) 100 mg 10
Iodine (from kelp) 100 mcg 70
Magnesium (as magnesium chelate) 100 mcg 25
Zinc (as zinc citrate & monomethionine [Opti-Zinc®]) 15 mg 100
Selenium (as L-selenomethionine [SelenoPure™] & sodium selenite) 100 mcg 140
Copper (as copper sebacate) 1 mg 50
Manganese (as manganese citrate) 3 mg 150
Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate [ChromeMate®] & chromium picolinate) 100 mcg 80
Molybdenum (as molybdenum chelate) 100 mcg 130
Potassium (as potassium citrate) 50 mg 2
N-Acetyl Cysteine 100 mg †
Milk Thistle Seed Extract Yielding 60 mg Silymarin 72 mg †
gamma-E Complex 67 mg †
Choline (as bitartrate) 50 mg †
Inositol 50 mg †
alpha-Lipoic Acid & R-Lipoic Acid 40 mg †
DMAE (as bitartrate) 30 mg †
Grape Seed Extract (Proanthodyn™) 30 mg †
MSM (methylsulfonylmethane [OptiMSM™]) 25 mg †
Hawthorn Berry Extract (4:1) 25 mg †
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine 25 mg †
Turmeric Rhizome Extract 95% 25 mg †
Green Tea Extract (95% polyphenols, 35% EGCG) 25 mg †
Quercetin 25 mg †
Coenzyme Q10 20 mg †
Ginkgo Biloba Leaf 24% (50:1 Extract) 20 mg †
Bilberry Standardized Extract 10 mg †
Tocotrienol Complex (Tocomax®) 10 mg †
Rutin 5 mg †
Pepper Fruit Extract (Bioperine®) 3 mg †
Lycopene 3 mg †
Boron (as amino acid chelate) 2 mg †
Lutein (FloraGlo®) 2 mg †
Astaxanthin 100 mcg †

I am taking this except mine is missing the last few ingredients..Around $20 at VitaminShoppe...Anyone else taking this?
And i agree with skinnybb....No vitamins/minerals can replace food.. We will not be seeking any supplements if we spend more time in the kitchen..Unfortanutely, our fast paced society limits this....

[Dr.Joyce]

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[lenochka]

I'm updating the good work done my previous posters.


Animal Pak - 42

GNC MegaMan - 24
GNC Ultra - 6
GNC Solotron - 2

AST 32X - 18

Centrum (other) - 7
Centrum Performance - 5

ON opti - 8

Twinlab - 7

Kirkland - 6

ISS - 5

Flintstones (especially Betty) - 5

LEF life extension - 3

Beverly - 3

Eclipse 2000 - 2

Green Source - 2

Lifepak - 4

Men's one-a-day - 2

Natrol - 3

***

I'll be trying these Animal Paks and report back. I like that it has the equivalent of 2 liver tablets (2 less to take), digestive enzymes (2 less to take from other sources) and amino acids.

Nobody had updated the results for a while now so I counted the votes. And he results are... I did not include multis with only one vote.

Animal Pak - 67

GNC MegaMan - 29
GNC Ultra - 8
GNC Solotron - 3

AST 32X - 24

Centrum (other) - 12
Centrum Performance - 6

ON opti - 9

Twinlab - 7

Kirkland - 7

ISS - 6

Flintstones (especially Betty) - 6

Source Naturals Life Force - 6

Beverly - 5

LEF life extension - 4

Lifepak - 4

Men's one-a-day - 4

Nutrilite double X - 4

Natrol - 3

NOW - 3

Eclipse 2000 - 2

Green Source - 2

Costco brand - 2

DX7 - 2

Pharmanex - 2

Vitamin World Ultra - 2

Dr. Walkers Low Carb Multi - 2

Greatest Vitamin in the World - 2

[Neil_I]

Nobody had updated the results for a while now so I counted the votes. And he results are... I did not include multis with only one vote.

Animal Pak - 67

GNC MegaMan - 29
GNC Ultra - 8
GNC Solotron - 3

AST 32X - 24

Centrum (other) - 12
Centrum Performance - 6

ON opti - 9

Twinlab - 7

Kirkland - 7

ISS - 6

Flintstones (especially Betty) - 6

Source Naturals Life Force - 6

Beverly - 5

LEF life extension - 4

Lifepak - 4

Men's one-a-day - 4

Nutrilite double X - 4

Natrol - 3

NOW - 3

Eclipse 2000 - 2

Green Source - 2

Costco brand - 2

DX7 - 2

Pharmanex - 2

Vitamin World Ultra - 2

Dr. Walkers Low Carb Multi - 2

Greatest Vitamin in the World - 2

You may want to discount one vote from ON and add on 1 vote for Reflex's Nexgen (http://www.reflex-nutrition.com/products/healthier_living/document_23_6.php) at the bottom.
Its from the UK compmay Reflex nutrition and I think its good stuff.
However, is the 9mg of Iron in it bad?

[Delo]

Basic Mindell Plus by Dr Earl Mindell is the best pure Multi on the Market today

Crazy expensive though.. like $ 60 for the month

[gut23]

However, is the 9mg of Iron in it bad?

Iron by iteself is not bad, but you can easily take too much and should therby avoid it in your multi. According to the NIH adult men should not supplement with iron. Here is a link with some info I posted regarding iron consumption:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=392736&highlight=nih

[MinisterOfLust]

I am using Essential Vitamin Formula by John Parrillo. I don't know how many people on here that are using Parrillo Products.

[jwaits]

I buy it at Walmart for less than 10 bucks. I tested it in a 8oz glass of white vineger and in less than 15 minutes the vitamin was broke up and was dissolving fast. I tested many other multi-vitamins and most of them did not break down as fast or not at all. So remember, test your vitamin in a 8oz glass of white vineger and if it does not start breaking down or dissolving in 15 minutes, you may want to consider a new multi-vitamin.

[gut23]

I buy it at Walmart for less than 10 bucks. I tested it in a 8oz glass of white vineger and in less than 15 minutes the vitamin was broke up and was dissolving fast. I tested many other multi-vitamins and most of them did not break down as fast or not at all. So remember, test your vitamin in a 8oz glass of white vineger and if it does not start breaking down or dissolving in 15 minutes, you may want to consider a new multi-vitamin.

Vinegar is not considered a proper testing fluid, it is not the correct acidity. In the USP test, a product is agitated for a period of up to 45 minutes in an acidic solution. you would need to heat this acidic solution to 98.6 degrees and mix for 30-45 minutes to mimic the human body's temperature and movement. Also, these tests may not work with time released products like tabelts, because they are meant to dissolve over time throughout the entire digestive tract, instead of in a short burst. Absorbtion of vitamins and minerals does not only occur in the stomach, but lower down in the intestines as well and all the way down to the rectum. scientists usually suggest a time relased multi-vitamin so that you are not stuck with full absorption int he stomach, it may be an overload, since viamtinas and minerals from food sources are not fully absorbed in the stomach either. So, in short, go with something time relased.

[Fluids]

Is it ok to take since it has iron, and men do not commonly have problems with iron??

[preetydre]

has any one tryed impact protein and products do they work or not?at hcmuscel.com

[Impact26]

i've been using impact nutrition for over a year now. at first the products worked great like the pro stack and mrp's. but ever since they came out with the new formula's, i dont see the results as i did in previous uses. their liquid creatine is weak, so i'm looking at trying vns jacked which from reading on here seems to be the best with results. i dont recommend dynotrol (their version of test) it makes me break out with bad acne on my forehead and i noticed im gettin bitch tits... lol so to clear that problem up i'm going to use 6-oxo along with animal pak.

impact nutrition - hc muscle is great if you a first time user with their products but i noticed people become immune to their formula's quickly.

hope this helped.

[PSKlifter]

I personally like NOW foods Special Two + Full Spectrum Minerals. Honestly tho, there are many good out there, aside from the crap like centrum and store brands, the absorbtion rate is just two low on some of those.

[Impact26]

if your all curious when i started using impact nutrition
i was 6'3 215pds 10" biceps no muscle and a gut

i'm now 6'4 225 15" biceps good upper body muscle.

so by using impact nutrition it changed my life in a positive way. just time for me to try something new.

[Scoobydon]

The absolute best multivitamin/mineral I have used is GNC's Ultra Mega Green. It contains plenty of vitamins, minerals, much needed herbal extracts and oils. Buy a bottle of your own and see! When you use this formula you can actually feel the difference!


Serving Size 3 tablets
Servings Per Container 60

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Amount Per Serving % DV

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Vitamin A (75% as beta-Carotene and 25% as Acetate) 20000 IU 400%
Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid) 500 mg 833%
Vitamin D (as Cholecalciferol) 400 IU 100%
Vitamin E (as natural d-alpha Tocopheryl Succinate) 300 IU 1000%
Thiamin (as Thiamin Mononitrate) 25 mg 1667%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2) 25 mg 1471%
Niacin (as Niacinamide) 25 mg 125%
Vitamin B-6 (as Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 25 mg 1250%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B-12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 250 mcg 4167%
Biotin 50 mcg 17%
Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium d-Pantothenate) 25 mg 250%
Calcium (as Calcium Carbonate and Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 50 mg 5%
Iron (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate and Ferrous Fumerate) 10 mg 56%
Iodine (as Kelp) 100 mcg 67%
Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide and Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 50 mg 12%
Zinc (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 15 mg 100%
Selenium (as L-Selenomethionine) 50 mcg 71%
Copper (as Cupric Oxide and Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 2 mg 100%
Manganese (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 10 mg 500%
Chromium (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate and Chromium Picolinate) 100 mcg 83%
Molybdenum (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 150 mcg 200%

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Spirulina Powder 400 mg **
Green Tea Leaves Extract (Camellia sinensis) 250 mg **
Citrus Bioflavonoids Complex 100 mg **
Safflower Oil 100 mg **
Flax Seed Oil (Linum usitatissimum) 100 mg **
Borage Oil (Borago officinalis) 100 mg **
Wheat Grass Powder (Triticum aestivum) 100 mg **
Barley Grass Powder (Hordeum vulgare) 100 mg **
Bee Pollen 100 mg **
Trimethylglycine (TMG) 100 mg **
Choline Bitartrate 50 mg **
para-Aminobenzoic Acid (PABA) 50 mg **
Chlorella Green Algae Powder 50 mg **
Siberian Root Powder (Eleutherococcus senticosus) 50 mg **
RNA (Yeast Free) 35 mg **
Inositol 25 mg **
Rutin 25 mg **
Quercetin Dihydrate 25 mg **
Oat Bran Powder (Avena sativa) 25 mg **
Apple Pectin 25 mg **
Betaine Hydrochloride 20 mg **
Papain 20 mg **
Bromelain 20 mg **
N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC) 15 mg **
DNA (Yeast Free) 10 mg **
Odorless Garlic Powder (Allium sativum) 10 mg **
Echinacea Root Powder (Echinacea angustifolia) 10 mg **
Milk Thistle Extract (Silybum marianum) 10 mg **
Goldenseal Root Powder (Hydrastis canadensis) 10 mg **
Ginkgo Biloba Extract 10 mg **
Cayenne Pepper (Capsicum frutescens) 10 mg **
alpha-Lipoic Acid 10 mg **
Hesperidin Complex 5 mg **
L-Glutathione 5 mg **
alpha-Amylase 5 mg **
Lipase 5 mg **
Carotenoids (as Natural Carotenoid Powder) 4 mg **
Cellulase 2.5 mg **
Boron (as Protein Chelate and Boron Gluconate Powder) 1 mg **
Silicon 1 mg **
Lycopene 500 mcg **

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** Daily Value (DV) not established.

http://********/productDetails.aspx?id=131521&lang=en

[sotoface]

Why are some people getting there Multi-v without iron?

[AlxandrTheGreat]

One A Day Maximum... It's what I'm using right now its about $5 for 100 pills, wish it had a little more magnesium in it, but it has plently of zinc. I may try some type of men's formula the type that requires 2 caps taken daily and see if those make me feel any different, because so far no multi has so I just trust that it helps my body run more efficiently or some $hit :D

[dzL p Hr Ea K]

tomorrow i am going to be buying my animal pak pills. i have heard so many good things about this multi-vitamin and not one bad...so im deciding to give it a try for myself. hopefully it works!!

[Neil_I]

if your all curious when i started using impact nutrition
i was 6'3 215pds 10" biceps no muscle and a gut

i'm now 6'4 225 15" biceps good upper body muscle.

so by using impact nutrition it changed my life in a positive way. just time for me to try something new.

lol

[sigepgdub]

I just started taking GNC's Mega Men and my pee was bright yellow today.. Guess that means its working.

Anyways...I was comparing that and Animal Pak...and I dont understand how GNC's one pill can compare with the 11 pills of the Animal Pak..are you just getting more of a serving with Animal Pak or what.

Thanks for the info.
Grant

[Mk3supra]

source naturals mega one is a good deal. High potency and dirt cheap.

[Maki_Man]

I agree VIN Animal Pak ....but I also have plans to try different Multi's in the future I give brands about 3-6 months to prove it self , and Animal Pak (Universal) has proven it self. But dont forget there might always be better out there...

so try them and find the one that works best for you.


Good advice. Animal Pak has proven itself for me too. Lot of pills, but I can tell when I'm off it.

[LostSouls]

I've been using Universal Animal Pak for a while now. I really like it. It doesn't matter how much water you drink... Your piss WILL change color. I drink 1-2 Gallons a day and it's still more green/neon than it used to be. I don't recommend taking all 11 at once though... I used to do that until 3 got stuck in my throat and I couldn't get them down or cough them up. PAINFULL! For all of those who have wondered what the Pak looks like, I've attached a photo. I might try some of the others listen in this thread sometime though. Anybody who won't spend 20 dollars on something that is very beneficial to their body had better double check their priorities though. :)

[johnsbod]

The absolute best multivitamin/mineral I have used is GNC's Ultra Mega Green. It contains plenty of vitamins, minerals, much needed herbal extracts and oils...
Iron (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate and Ferrous Fumerate) 10 mg 56%


Iron is not good in a multi. It negates a lot of the benefit of a multi. Most people don't need an iron supp anyway.

I've been using Animal Pak for about 2 weeks now and in general feel healthier. I could never understand why people are willing to dole out tons of money towards supps but when it comes to a multi, they buy what is cheapest. IMO a good multi is the most important supp.

[deserusan]

I use Optimums Optimen multi. It seems to work well for me. I also use ZMA before I go to bed. I agree that being cheap about a multi isn't worth it. I might give animal pak a shot though when this bottle I have runs out to see if I notice anything due to its higher potency.

[NonCon]

Compare DX7 from protein factory to any of them.

[Thebodyfreak]

Right now taking GNC megaman but will more likely move on to animal pack after I am done with the bottle. I am about half way.

[AYung]

For Animal Pak, when should I take the servings? The serving size is 22 tablets, should I take all 22 in monring and the other 22 at night?

[johnsbod]

For Animal Pak, when should I take the servings? The serving size is 22 tablets, should I take all 22 in monring and the other 22 at night?

If you read the directions you'll notice that you don't have to take 2 packs. I only take 1 each day. Take 2 packs if you are doing some really intense training more than once a day. They recommend taking it 30 minutes after you consume your pre-workout meal.

[Mk3supra]

I think without a doubt douglas labs makes the best supplements. They take the best quality of each vitamin but they are very expensive.

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[Emoore]

Put your vitamin in a glass of water. If it dissolves in an hour, it dissolves in you. If it doesn't. . . it ends up in the sewer.

P.S. Centrum doesn't dissolve.

[gut23]

Put your vitamin in a glass of water. If it dissolves in an hour, it dissolves in you. If it doesn't. . . it ends up in the sewer.

P.S. Centrum doesn't dissolve.

As I said before:

Vinegar or water are not considered proper testing fluids, they are not the correct acidity. In the USP test, a product is agitated for a period of up to 45 minutes in an acidic solution. you would need to heat this acidic solution to 98.6 degrees and mix for 30-45 minutes to mimic the human body's temperature and movement. Also, these tests may not work with time released products like tabelts, because they are meant to dissolve over time throughout the entire digestive tract, instead of in a short burst. Absorbtion of vitamins and minerals does not only occur in the stomach, but lower down in the intestines as well and all the way down to the rectum. scientists usually suggest a time relased multi-vitamin so that you are not stuck with full absorption int he stomach, it may be an overload, since viamtinas and minerals from food sources are not fully absorbed in the stomach either. So, in short, go with something time relased.

[meanmo]

Andrew Weils, custom vitaming paks

[Jdanmc]

That's actually not the case at all. Some multivitamins don't even dissolve in your stomach; you just pass them through. (ConsumerLabs mentioned this in a recent test.) Other multivitamins have 100% of your RDA for various nutrients which isn't enough when you're bodybuilding and subjecting your body to stress like that. Do a comparison... this is what the vitamin I take has in it:

Vitamin A (As Vitamin A Palmitate) 4,000 IU 100% 8,000 IU 100%
Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) 625 mg 1042% 1,250 mg 2083%
Vitamin D (As Vitamin D-3) 500 IU 125% 1,000 IU 250%
Vitamin E
(As Natural d-alpha Vitamin E) 200 IU 666% 400 IU 1333%
Vitamin K (Phytonadione) 40 mcg 50% 80 mcg 100%
Thiamine (Vitamin B-1) 34 mg 2266% 68 mg 4533%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2) 30 mg 1714% 60 mg 3526%
Niacin
(As low-flush, fast release Vitamin B-3) 50 mg 250% 100 mg 500%
Niacinamide
(As non-flushing Vitamin B-3) 30 mg 150% 60 mg 300%
Pyridoxine HCL (Vitamin B-6) 33 mg 1650% 66 mg 3300%
Folic Acid (= Folate & Folacin) 500 mcg 125% 1,000 mcg 250%
Cobalamin (Vitamin B-12) 100 mcg 1666% 200 mcg 3333%
Biotin (As d-Biotin) 300 mcg 100% 600 mcg 200%
Pantothenic acid
(From Calcium Pantothenate) 75 mg 750% 150 mg 1500%
Calcium (As Carbonate & Citrate) 300 mg 30% 600 mg 60%
Iron (As Iron Carbonyl-Precoated*) 9 mg 50% 18 mg 100%
Iodine (From Kelp) 112 mcg 75% 225 mcg 150%
Magnesium (As Oxide & Glycinate) 300 mg 75% 600 mg 150%
Zinc (As Oxide & Citrate) 20 mg 133% 40 mg 267%
Selenium (As Selenite) 125 mcg 178% 250 mcg 357%
Copper (As Glycinate) 1 mg 50% 2 mg 100%
Manganese (As Sulfate & Citrate) 5 mg 250% 10 mg 500%
Chromium (Complexed**) 125 mcg 104% 250 mcg 208%
Molybdenum (Elemental) 5 mcg 6.5% 10 mcg 13%
Potassium (As Chloride & Succinate) 49 mg 1.5% 99 mg 3%
*Iron pre-coated to prevent Interaction with Vitamin E, Calcium, Zinc and other minerals.
**Chromium complexed as Chromium polynicotinate (Nichrome)and Chromium picolinate (Chromax ll).

If you're going to post about your multi, post the ingredients and amounts of minerals and vitamins in it as well. Then those who wish to compare can do so. :)

-The Tofu Guru-

I know as hard working bodybuilders we probably need more than the RDA for average people. But when your vitaman gives you 3000% of the RDA i think that basically what you're doing is literally pissing your money away.

[Cyclops]

The PAk kicks ass and it leaves your piss with a mountain dew color.

You know that means you're just pissing it out right?

[Lavrik_AK]

scientists usually suggest a time relased multi-vitamin so that you are not stuck with full absorption int he stomach, it may be an overload, since viamtinas and minerals from food sources are not fully absorbed in the stomach either. So, in short, go with something time relased.

Do you eat time-release chicken breasts and brown rice, too, to go with your time-release veggies?

A little silly, huh? So is telling your body when to absorb certain nutrients. When you eat, your body knows what to absorb in the stomach and what to pass on to be absorbed in the intestines.

The best multi will come from concentrated natural sources, so that it is absorbed by the body just like food. Synthesized nutrient sources are not nearly as bioavailable, nor do they contain all the additional phytonutrients that come with natural-sourced vitamins and minerals. These aspects of a multi are a lot more pertinent than "time-releasage."

[johnsbod]

Do you eat time-release chicken breasts and brown rice, too, to go with your time-release veggies?

A little silly, huh? So is telling your body when to absorb certain nutrients. When you eat, your body knows what to absorb in the stomach and what to pass on to be absorbed in the intestines.

The best multi will come from concentrated natural sources, so that it is absorbed by the body just like food. Synthesized nutrient sources are not nearly as bioavailable, nor do they contain all the additional phytonutrients that come with natural-sourced vitamins and minerals. These aspects of a multi are a lot more pertinent than "time-releasage."

Proteins, fats, and carbohydrates are almost totally absorbed in the small intestine, not the stomach. The stomach simply prepares the food for absorbtion in the small intestine. Since it takes about 4 hours to pass through the small intestine, a time released multi is beneficial. Since the multi is "ready for absorbtion" so to speak, there is a benefit.

[leonutz]

it is important to know the quality of the multi-vitamins u r taking. Take some time to review the below and see whether it makes sense to you yea?

Product Quality Checklist

Is the product delivered in a single dose?(a once a day tablet simply cannot provide the levelsof potency needed for optimum nutrition without being too large to swallow)

Are the potency levels of the ingredients high enough to provide optimal daily nutritional intake without compromising safety?

Are the ingredients provided in their most bioavailable form?(mineral salts are not as well absorbed as chelated minerals or minerals bound to an organic carrier.)

Is the safety profile of each ingredient thoroughly researched and evaluated?

Does the company meet United States and Canadian pharmaceutical guidelines--not food-grade guidelines-- for Good Manufacturing Processes (GMPs)?

Is the product formulated to meet pharmaceutical standards for full disintegration and dissolution?

Is the product potency garunteed for a specified shelf life?

Is the product independently tested and garunteed for potency and safety?

Is the product manufactured in-house?(or is it contracted out to the lowest bidder?)

Is the product free of ingredients that may have cumulative toxicities (pre-formed Vitamin A and iron)?


Extracted from Comparitive Guide to Nutritional Supplements (3rd Revised Edition)
Lyle MacWilliam, BSc,Msc,FP

[Newbtime]

i take life essence or somthin liek that

[Jdanmc]

Someone help me out here, whats all this crap i'm reading here about how if you take your standard multivitamin which has around 18 mg of iron you're going to incur serious health problems in the long run if you take it everyday. Is there any truth to this or just a bunch of bs.

[johnsbod]

Someone help me out here, whats all this crap i'm reading here about how if you take your standard multivitamin which has around 18 mg of iron you're going to incur serious health problems in the long run if you take it everyday. Is there any truth to this or just a bunch of bs.

It's true. Most men do not need additional iron in their diet. Iron also negates a lot of the other ingredients in a multi. You're better off finding a multi without iron.

[bofeity]

I havn't read this entire thread but the best vitamins I've found are ones that are certified by USP. You know that they dissolve and are potent and just of quality because this agency is specifically for supplements.

[bofeity]

Someone help me out here, whats all this crap i'm reading here about how if you take your standard multivitamin which has around 18 mg of iron you're going to incur serious health problems in the long run if you take it everyday. Is there any truth to this or just a bunch of bs.

18 mg of iron a day is fine. The UL for iron is 45 mg. It is not fat soluble and will therefore be flushed from the body. But you might get a stomach ache or possibly diarrhea.

[leonutz]

http://www.comparativeguide.com/default.html

check out the link for the best supplement multi vitamin backed up by scientific data and extensive research and analysis

without a doubt its USANA

[johnsbod]

18 mg of iron a day is fine. The UL for iron is 45 mg. It is not fat soluble and will therefore be flushed from the body. But you might get a stomach ache or possibly diarrhea.

I'd like to know where you got this information. Iron can accumulate in the body and can be toxic. It is suggested that adult men NOT supplement with iron in order to avoid an overdose.

[bofeity]

I'd like to know where you got this information. Iron can accumulate in the body and can be toxic. It is suggested that adult men NOT supplement with iron in order to avoid an overdose.

From Understanding Nutrition by Ellie Whitney from my nutrition class.

The regular male on a 2000 kcal diet does not need to supplement with Iron because that is easily acquired from the diet (the RDA for Iron is 8mg/day for males).

However, iron overload can occur from several causes including excessive supplemental amounts which can cause a variety of things such as tissue damage, particularly the in the liver. The UL (upper limit) is 45 mg/day, meaning that if you take 44 mg you're pretty close to being in toxic levels and should stop unless you need it, i.e. anemia or blood lose.

Thus, taking 18 mg a day for an athlete will probably not lead to adverse effects, that is also not forgetting other foods that are eaten that contain iron.

Conclusion: taking 18 mg/day supplement will "probably" not be harmful, but should be taken into careful consideration.

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic285.htm

"Individuals demonstrate signs of GI toxicity with ingestions of more than 20 mg/kg, but less than or equal to 40 mg/kg. Moderate-to-severe intoxication occurs when ingestion of elemental iron exceeds 40 mg/kg. Ingestions exceeding 60 mg/kg may be lethal."

That's per/kg which is A LOT.

[johnsbod]

I see your point, but I still don't think it's necessary. It's also not beneficial if consumed in a multi. Anyone who wants to supplement with iron should get it outside of their multi and take it at a seperate time.

[Lukeb5301]

I have been using True Essentials for 3 months now both the MV and the one with HA I must say the HA is absoultly great!

http://www.trueessentials.net/index.htm?affiliate=&affiliateid=8157830&target=X300493

[Deep Diver]

Optimum Nutrition Opti Men

[KeyHAWK]

Mega men from GNC is the best. It cost $24 for a 4 month supply and it is loaded with good suff.

[Gimpslayer]

I got to reading this thread, and it had me worried. I am currently taking the HEB (generic store brand) multivitamins. It's basically a clone of Centrum. These are a "pressed pill". I had heard a lot of bad press about how these don't digest and just get "crapped" back out. So, I did a little experiment.

I put a shotglass filled with water next to my PC and dropped a pill in it. For comparison's sake, I took another shotglass filled with water and put an EAS brand HMB pill (a gelatin capsule) in it.

After 27 minuites according to my PC's clock, the HEB multivitamin had totally disintigrated. The water was colored dark yellow and there was some powder on the bottom of the glass. At the same time, the gelatin capsule looked 100% normal.

In fact, the NEXT DAY, the gelatin capsule looked a little swollen, but it was still intact and the powder inside was DRY.

Perhaps it's time to rethink what kinds of pills dissolve and which ones don't? I can't speak for all pressed pills, but I Can tell you that the HEB multivitamins dissolve just fine!

Curious about how your vits dissolve? Drop one in a glass of water and find out for yourself.

I am about to run out of the HEBs though. I bought a package of Animal Paks and I will try those next. I'd like to see for myself if they produce "increased energy", etc.

I used to take GNC Mega Men, and I couldn't notice any difference between that and regular multivitamins. I'd rather save my money and go with the store brand in that case.

[joed]

Gimpslayer: I don't mean this to sound harsh but a shotglass of water isn't the same as the acids in your stomach & intestines. The way to see if a vitamin or anything else hasn't dissolved is to look at your stool.

[Gimpslayer]

Joed, you're damn right that stomach acid isn't the same thing as water. However, if a pill dissolves in straight up water that fast, it will CERTAINLY dissolve in stomach acid--probably much faster.

My point was that people's worries about "pressed pills" dissolving or not dissolving might be unfounded. I certainly have no fears that the HEB brand multivitamins aren't dissolving. Those suckers dissolve FAST.

...Of course, as I mentioned in my prior post, other brands might well be different.

I happen to have some Hydrochloric Acid in my garage. I can dilute it to approximate stomach acid and repeat the test, but I think the results will be the same.

[leonutz]

according to the Comparative Guide to nutritional Supplements, which is an independent study done by a group of world-renowned scientists (www.comparativeguide.com) , GNC Mega Men's is crap and Centrum is even crappier

alot of people don't know that because centrum have such amazingly good advertising that misleads people to think that it is good. Check out the comparative guide n be enlightened...

[RockyIV]

Optimum nutrition. These things are horse pills. Just be ready to chuck if it gets stuck in your throat.

[Jdanmc]

I'm sure mega men and centrum aren't the best multi's by any stretch of the imagination but though I haven't checked it out I'd be willing to guess that the comparitive guide rates most highly all of the all natural multi vitamins that you'll end up spending $100 for a month or two's supply. You can get a year's supply of centrum or mega men for quite a bit less than that.

[Neil_I]

Optimum nutrition. These things are horse pills. Just be ready to chuck if it gets stuck in your throat.

lol.

You should try AnimalPak! Now they're horse pills!

[Eric Burton]

Yeah no ****. Plus they got like 11 pills in each pack.

[Ron_Jeremy]

Hey everyone, I just started taking a Vitamin World brand "Mega Vit-Mineral" multi's and I must say, this appears to be the most potent stuff I have taken so far. The bottle says it's time released and I believe it. First day of taking this pill and I thought I wasn't getting enough water since my piss was neon green/yellow. I kept pounding the water and my piss lightened a little but throughout the day it had the neon green/ yellow tint, mind you I drink at least 1 gal. per day. Anyway, no other vit. has done this to me so that's what leads me to believe it's some potent stuff. I could be wrong though.....

[RockyIV]

Hey everyone, I just started taking a Vitamin World brand "Mega Vit-Mineral" multi's and I must say, this appears to be the most potent stuff I have taken so far. The bottle says it's time released and I believe it. First day of taking this pill and I thought I wasn't getting enough water since my piss was neon green/yellow. I kept pounding the water and my piss lightened a little but throughout the day it had the neon green/ yellow tint, mind you I drink at least 1 gal. per day. Anyway, no other vit. has done this to me so that's what leads me to believe it's some potent stuff. I could be wrong though.....

I'm not sure your multi caused yellow piss. You may need to up your water intake to about 2 gallons per day. BTW, how big were those vitamins? The ON opti-men is tough to get down.

[laminatedworm]

The B vitamins cause your piss to turn yellow.

I use Animal Pak. And it won't matter if you drink 10 gallons a day, you're still going to piss yellow.

Animal Pak will make your piss glow!

[Ron_Jeremy]

I'm not sure your multi caused yellow piss. You may need to up your water intake to about 2 gallons per day. BTW, how big were those vitamins? The ON opti-men is tough to get down.

Come on, 2 gal /day is getting a little excessive. Also, it is the multi vit since no other multi has ever changed the color of my piss. I always piss clear throughout the day but since taking this new multi, I have had the "glowing" piss phenomena.

[johnsbod]

I'm not sure your multi caused yellow piss. You may need to up your water intake to about 2 gallons per day. BTW, how big were those vitamins? The ON opti-men is tough to get down.

It is the multi. Any good multi turns urine that neon yellow which is definately different than the dehydrated yellow color of urine. 2 gallons of water a day is excessive IMO and you could very well deplete your body of certain elements if you consume too much water. If your multi doesn't turn your urine neon yellow it's probably underdosed.

[Lavrik_AK]

It is the multi. Any good multi turns urine that neon yellow... If your multi doesn't turn your urine neon yellow it's probably underdosed.
Bump. Your body will never absorb 100% of the nutrients you put into it, but the goal is to basically create a vitamin-rich "wash" that travels your whole digestive tract; this gives your body as much available opportunity to absorb whatever it can.

[Cosmonaut]

Come on, 2 gal /day is getting a little excessive. Also, it is the multi vit since no other multi has ever changed the color of my piss. I always piss clear throughout the day but since taking this new multi, I have had the "glowing" piss phenomena.
It is because that multivitamin contains too much of vitamin E switch multis.

[Ron_Jeremy]

It is because that multivitamin contains too much of vitamin E switch multis.

doubtful, excess vit E does not cause this. I used to take a seperate Vit. E supplement along with a multi and didn't even come close to changing the color of my urine. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

[RockyIV]

I use opti-men and it has never turned my piss neon. I drink about two gallons a day, but not at once. I've never tried Animal Pak, so I don't know if it changes the color of urine. If on creatine 2 gallons is not at all excessive.

[T-Baby]

I use opti-men and it has never turned my piss neon. I drink about two gallons a day, but not at once. I've never tried Animal Pak, so I don't know if it changes the color of urine. If on creatine 2 gallons is not at all excessive.

Is this THE RockyIV??? I thought you were banned from the internet.

[secondsight]

For multi-vitamin ... I love Living Fuel Rx. There is also a Living Fuel Berry. It doesn't come in pill form, rather it is a powder you mix with water, juice, or what ever beverage you like. It's a little more then just a multi-vitamin because its got some protein, fiber, probiotics, etc. in it.

[RockyIV]

Is this THE RockyIV??? I thought you were banned from the internet.

What?

[T-Baby]

What?

Actually, it was RockyIII. You the same guy? Who loves DC, yet pisses him off, and was banned from the MM bodybuilding forum.

[RockyIV]

Actually, it was RockyIII. You the same guy? Who loves DC, yet pisses him off, and was banned from the MM bodybuilding forum.

Not me, just a rocky fan

[T-Baby]

Not me, just a rocky fan

Ouch. You picked a bad username, buddy. Rocky is infamous on bodybuilding message boards, and I'm positive that most people think you're the same guy. Might wanna think about getting a new name. ;)

[Cosmonaut]

Ouch. You picked a bad username, buddy. Rocky is infamous on bodybuilding message boards, and I'm positive that most people think you're the same guy. Might wanna think about getting a new name. ;)
ROFL at RockyIII

[jdiritto]

water-soluble vitamins (B vitamins, Biotin, and C) are easily dissolved in water, so whatever your body isn't using is easily eliminated in urine. You don't have to worry about overdosing, but this means you need a continuous supply of them in your diet.


everyones body is differnet so maybe you use all your water-sols whereas Johnny doesn't...( I don't really know I'm not you )...
but drinking more water will show less of a color change in your piss solely because you'll be pissing more water out to cover any of the excess water sols your eliminating..

It's science.

[norishinghgh]

Prob GNC Mega Men

[webslinger]

i just use a daily multi from costco which compares to centrum silver. 350 tabs for $10. its working fine for me.
woot woot! i take one with breakfast and one at dinner!