*SHOTS FIERCE CREW* Read

[SHOT]

EDIT: This is the story of how a once popular moderator began scamming the people who admired him. By the time the gig was up, it was clear that he had not only scammed, but lied about who he was, and his achievements in the world of bodybuilding.

In order to make this thread easier to follow, I am deleting "bumps" and other irrelevant posts. I am also highlighting some of the posts in RED. The highlighted text in some of the posts should be seen as important clues to how this all unfolded.

This thread will be "sticky" and in the "Best of" forum, so that others may learn from what has happened.




all my boys that im working with...you are now considered part of my *FIERCE CREW* which means (extremely strong; violent; angry) ..everyone else uses *TEAM (insert name here) but we are going to get alittle crazy so we need a better name

anyone...everyone shoot me a PM

in the subject put *FIERCER CREW MEMEBER*

then just put *here* in the PM ...also if you could add your AOL AIM name..so i could add you all

its about to get nasty boys...

[SHOT]

bro keep this bumped..even if u aint in

[6ft8monster]

i guess i am a fierce one... in training.. lol

[Macdaddy25]

Feirce crew ..... Here we go guys LETS GET IT!

[epote]

ok, im not getting it, explain:P

[SHOT]

ok, im not getting it, explain:P

You only need to know whats going on if you in the Fierce Crew...

but its my clients who i train from the board

[SHOT]

bump this up

Still spots open...when i found out that i would be working less hours at my job (which i didnt think they would let me)
i am taking on a few more clients...


so let me know bros

[6ft8monster]

ttt all the bro in on this should share progress and all that with each other.. not specifics of the routines.. just progress and weekly updates

[SuperPump250]

ttt all the bro in on this should share progress and all that with each other.. not specifics of the routines.. just progress and weekly updates

definitely agree.

[SHOT]

ttt all the bro in on this should share progress and all that with each other.. not specifics of the routines.. just progress and weekly updates

I dont mind if yall do this via PM or e-mail...but i dont want any details posted on the boards...its not fair to you ppl who are paying good money

[Kroms_laugh]

pm sent

[psycho66]

pm sent
me 2

[Halfroman]

pm sent

me 3... Krom I am going to catch you on shoulder press... :D

[Geno]

PM sent

[Kroms_laugh]

me 3... Krom I am going to catch you on shoulder press... :D

:D

[DYnomyte001]

Add another PM sent... lol I feel such a small ****, carb depleted and just went on pct

SHOT FTW

[Kroms_laugh]

i can shoulder press 265 for 3 or 4

You're 290 pounds and 6'8''... no offense, brother, but I'd expect that much weight from you.

[user43390fgui8t]

You're 290 pounds and 6'8''... no offense, brother, but I'd expect that much weight from you.

dont forget that the taller you are, the longer your arms are... and the harder it is to press any weight.

im 6-3 with monkey arms, and pressing isnt as easy for me as it is for your stubby ****ers. :D

[Kroms_laugh]

dont forget that the taller you are, the longer your arms are... and the harder it is to press any weight.

im 6-3 with monkey arms, and pressing isnt as easy for me as it is for your stubby ****ers. :D

Jesus, gimp.. I didn't know you were so damn tall! :D

I disagree, because your muscles are larger naturally and can handle heavier weight (more fiber to recruit, the heavier the load they can handle).

I find that bigger guys (in structure, not necessarily musculature) push heavier weight.

Size is relative.

[SHOT]

I sent you all pm's back

6ft8--that weight will go up alot in the next few weeks

And this whole my arms are longer so i cant move as much...blah blah blah...lets not even go there...i got you all beat anyway...but it doesnt count cause im only 5'7 lol

[user43390fgui8t]

Jesus, gimp.. I didn't know you were so damn tall! :D

I disagree, because your muscles are larger naturally and can handle heavier weight (more fiber to recruit, the heavier the load they can handle).

I find that bigger guys (in structure, not necessarily musculature) push heavier weight.

Size is relative.


its simple physics brother... actually trig can prove what I am saying. think about it.

[fitnessman]

its simple physics brother... actually trig can prove what I am saying. think about it.

I am happy to be short :D

[2pounds]

I am happy to be short :D


how tall?

5ft7 here

[fitnessman]

5'9" Barely...

[Intellectural]

FIERCE CREW, HELL YEAH, I'm Ready to get crazy!!!

[FreshMintBlue]

If I can learn by joining the crew than please concider me...I'm a noob tho :)

[Kroms_laugh]

5'8'' and lovin' it.

Us "little" guys can pack on size easily.

[Shike]

What are your rates Shot? Or is that only discussed via PM?

[user43390fgui8t]

work = mass x distance

taller people have to push mass a greater distance than shorter people... therefore they are doing more work.

simple. newton's laws.

[RetiredMod]

work = mass x distance

taller people have to push mass a greater distance than shorter people... therefore they are doing more work.

simple. newton's laws.
if this were true then midgets would win all of the power lifting/strong man competitions lol

not sure on the science behind it but bigger guys can generally move more weight...if you weigh 290, even if you dont lift you can probably lift more than someone who is 120. I always think of it as a cop out...but then again comparing lifts is crap anyways in my mind...lifting less weight slowly with perfect form will make it so you aren't lifting as much as someone who is lifting explosively with bad form....comparing lifts without seeing how a person is doing it is pointless..it's like comparing penis size on a message board


But I digress :) I too am going to be under SHOT. I've been out of lifting for over 3 months pretty much, only lifting maybe a couple times a month if that and have lost a lot of muscle and strength. It'll be nice for a change to have someone telling me what to do so it's brainless, makes going to the gym and adhering to a diet much easier that way, plus it's SHOT so you know he's gonna make you sweat

[SHOT]

bump

[6ft8monster]

can we get a SFC ROLL CALL!!!!!!!!!!!



6ft8monster here

[psycho66]

can we get a SFC ROLL CALL!!!!!!!!!!!
Soon to be ...

[Macdaddy25]

Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh! checkin in!

[SuperPump250]

Here and Ready to Rock!!!!

[Intellectural]

Yeahhhhhhhhh! Reporting for duty...

[jjjxmmmxbbb]

ready

[WTFRUDOING]

if this were true then midgets would win all of the power lifting/strong man competitions lol
You are correct. As a matter of fact the 8 of the top 10 strongest people lb for lb in the record books are midgets and the other two are sub 5'7". My source for that is an article my kinesiology professor read to us a few years ago

[SHOT]

Short or not we still have to EAT TONS....TRAIN HARD and diet and do are Cardio....

really when i hear that "Oh Matts short he can pack it on"

No and F*CK YOU...i train hard...i eat hard and i diet hard to get lean...i train guys who are 5'11-6'0 tall that go on my diets and training and fill out within 3-4 months.

[SHOT]

We have some new memebers already this weekend.

[Kroms_laugh]

Short or not we still have to EAT TONS....TRAIN HARD and diet and do are Cardio....

really when i hear that "Oh Matts short he can pack it on"

No and F*CK YOU...i train hard...i eat hard and i diet hard to get lean...i train guys who are 5'11-6'0 tall that go on my diets and training and fill out within 3-4 months.


lol.. hell yeah, bro. I let them think that tho.... "Yes, I can put on weight and size so easily because I'm short.... too bad you're tall... you'll never look as good as me. :( Might as well just give up, or have your shins removed." rofl.... **** it.... let them think life is so ****ing hard for them and not for you. It's fun actually. I love seeing the hope in big guys destroyed in a matter of seconds because they are so ****ing gullible.

[weightlifter7]

Most of it has to do with the type of muscle fibers a person is born with. Ex. Fast twitch, Slow twitch, and I believe medium. Fast twitch will allow u to be powerful, whereas slow twitch giving endurance more so, of course the medium will be in between.

This means that if u have allot of fast twitch fibers, then u will be stronger than most, regardless of height or weight. Of course the range of motion plays a small role too, but not as much as the diff. class of fibers.

[Clive Jones]

sorry bro's...but what is this? whats going on?

[RetiredMod]

Most of it has to do with the type of muscle fibers a person is born with. Ex. Fast twitch, Slow twitch, and I believe medium. Fast twitch will allow u to be powerful, whereas slow twitch giving endurance more so, of course the medium will be in between.

This means that if u have allot of fast twitch fibers, then u will be stronger than most, regardless of height or weight. Of course the range of motion plays a small role too, but not as much as the diff. class of fibers.
I've actually read some articles stating that you can change the ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fibers through various training methods, which I think is pretty interesting.

In terms of the short vs tall debate...all I'm hearing is excuses! Tall guys have certain advantages and so do short guys...and so do people with good genetics...and so do people who can afford to buy all the proper supps/drugs/food...and so do people who are able to have their life revolve around their training...there are always excuses. No point in hating...saying well you have it easy because you are short...thats bull****, like SHOT said, short guys, tall guys, medium guys...whatever, everyone has to work for their muscle and their strength...no need to hate.

Everyone do their own thing and no excuses on who can lift more, or who is bigger than who..unless you compete it doesn't matter anyways, do it for yourself

[weightlifter7]

I've actually read some articles stating that you can change the ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fibers through various training methods, which I think is pretty interesting.



Hey bro, u wouldn't mind sharing that with ole weight would ya.I have been looking for that type of info.I would rather be able to change the slow to fast tho.

[RetiredMod]

Hey bro, u wouldn't mind sharing that with ole weight would ya.I have been looking for that type of info.I would rather be able to change the slow to fast tho.
Try searching around...I read it so long ago I have no idea where the articles were located, but I know there is info out there on the subject. I'll try to look around when I have time and post them but I haven't had much time lately so you'll prob find them quicker looking for them yourself.

[Clive Jones]

Originally Posted by McBain
I've actually read some articles stating that you can change the ratio of fast to slow twitch muscle fibers through various training methods, which I think is pretty interesting."


Hey McBain...

my prof. in physiology was actually speaking of some articles referring to that in class yesterday...

he said, by training, the body doesnt actually change the from ST to FT but rather learns to use more of the FT for instance, if you train by sprinting and so forth..he didnt get into much detail, but what I got from it was that the rate of FT being used can be changed so that you can increase the # of fibers being activated during activity, and that is from specific training for either power/FT or endurance/ST..the body responds better and in return, activates more fibers of those being trained or something

[Strongerthanall]

How about THIS...who the **** cares. I'm strongerthanall mother****ers!

[BOZZ]

Short kids rule...



bOZz

[SHOT]

Short guys can put size on like nothing,

Thats the most stupid thing i read in a long time...If its so easy then how come no one else on this board is 255 lbs with a 8 pack and Nationaly ranked in the NPC


I take Major offense to comments like this....and anyone that is tall that would make a comments like this is a f*cking pussy who knows nothing abouty bodybuilding...diet or training


I didnt think you were that ignorent to make a comment like that...im disapointed...just goes to show that you u dont know some ppl as well as you thought.

And as far as short guys not being as strong? ill put my lifts up against anyone on this board....i have a 650+ lbs squat for reps....i get 12 reps weekly on incline bench at 405...i can dead lift 700 + lba from the floor WITH NO STRAPS...i can bust out bent over rows with 450 like it nothing....i flat benched 600lbs at age 20 and prob could have went heavier..i can leg press 35...yes 35...45 lbs plates plus my 240 lbs training partner on top of it for 12 reps

dont come into my f*cking forum with this bull**** that us shorter guys put size on like its nothing...and we aint f*cking strong

If short guys can put on side so easy then how come your not 40 lbs heavier? YOU GOT 1 INCH HEIGHT ONE ME AND IM CLOSE TO 50 LBS HEAVIER...I GUESS ITS BECAUSE OF THAT 1 INCH RIGHT?

this is f*cking bull**** and now im pissed the f*ck off....i f*cking bust my balls in the gym and in the kitch and i dont need some guy who is hardly 200 lbs sayin stupid **** like IN MY F*CKING THREAD...

MY CLIENTS IN THIS THREAD ARE GOING TO F*CKING SMOKE ANYONE IN THIS FORUM...ILL PUT MONEY ON THAT....

THIS IS JUST F*CKING BULL****

[SHOT]

Keep this SHORT ..or tall bull**** the f*ck out of my thread...i see one more ****ing person jack my thread with comments about something other then what its made for you ass is getting a 1 month ban

i aint f*cking playin....i never seen so many ****ing ignorent comments in my life....

[6ft8monster]

tall kids rule. lmao............. either way.. i gotta bust my ass like short tall ro whatever to put on size.. i aint got the best genetics.. but i work with what i got.. i do like being stronger and bigger than 98% of the people around my height that i do meet

[SHOT]

The Next Person That Takes My Thread Off Topic Is Getting Bouncers The Hell Out Of Here

[6ft8monster]

bump... chest and tris today in the gym

[DYnomyte001]

Hey shot, tried talking to you on AIM but you've been busy...

[SuperPump250]

Man I am so jacked up and ready for some hardcore training!!!! I'm really excited to see everyone in this crew put on some serious muscle!!!!!!!!

[SHOT]

Hey shot, tried talking to you on AIM but you've been busy...


I have you on my list but forget which name is yours bro LOL...but i havnt been on aol much the past few days because i been busy. we will talk about the details today on AIM or PM>>>not in the thread

[Boots]

SHOT

Clear out your PM's!

[bond697]

ready! when do we start?

[psycho66]

Shot Ygpm ...

[SHOT]

Sorry everyone didnt see my pm;s get that full....ill clean some out again right now

[6ft8monster]

i cant wait to get my new workout routine

[SuperPump250]

i cant wait to get my new workout routine

you ain't kiddin; I am soooo ready!!!!

[jjjxmmmxbbb]

me either last wek shot sent me a sample day diet and i stuck with it all week. today im up 4 lbs. cant wait for full diet and workout plan

[Halfroman]

*whistles* Christ I can't wait any longer lol.

SHOT i sent you a new pm, read up brother :)

[Clive Jones]

me either last wek shot sent me a sample day diet and i stuck with it all week. today im up 4 lbs. cant wait for full diet and workout plan


wow!

[psycho66]

i cant wait to get my new workout routine
*sitting at home waiting for SHOT'S new diet/routine and body*

:)

[SuperPump250]

*sitting at home waiting for SHOT'S new diet/routine and body*

:)

Same!!!

[RetiredMod]

I'm anxiously awaiting the routine :) already got the diet, it's funny I'm checking my PMs like 3-4 times a day lol

[6ft8monster]

the diet seems like it is going to go great.. i have started working it in.. i need to get with shot on one thing though.. i am allergic to one of the components of the diet.. i need to find a substitute

[SHOT]

After i return frm church tomarrow morning...ill eat dinner then work on the stuff for a few hours...i can only work on it for like 2 hours at a time ...after that i get burned out and i want to make sure im thinking clearly when making all these up.

[6ft8monster]

After i return frm church tomarrow morning...ill eat dinner then work on the stuff for a few hours...i can only work on it for like 2 hours at a time ...after that i get burned out and i want to make sure im thinking clearly when making all these up.


you are good bro.. we are patient we understand what the deal is.. i am sure uit will bw worht the weight// i am sending you a pm//

[SHOT]

you are good bro.. we are patient we understand what the deal is.. i am sure uit will bw worht the weight// i am sending you a pm//


Good...cause im being very patient with the ppl who say they want in ..ask for the detail to send the funds...then just quit Pming u all together..

so again i had like 3 ppl bail out...but thats cool..leaves open some spaces for ppl who want to really work..and get big and lean

[SHOT]

Also there was a bro who said he wanted to send funds today (sunday) but i forgot who it was cause i must have deleted the PM...so if that bro reads this..hit me back asap. or if you already have the WU info just send out and PM me the details.

[platestacker]

Think ya were talkin about me SHOT. Pm ya with the details.
Dam Im so ready for this im gettin wood......or maby it just the TEST kickin in...LOL either way BOY YOO YOING.

[SHOT]

word

[kungen1234]

How long is this going to be run?
I could need your(SHOT) help(and wouldnt mind paying for it) when im done with this cycle and have run my PCT which should leave me done somewhere around new years. Will you be taking on new cadets by then?

[SHOT]

How long is this going to be run?
I could need your(SHOT) help(and wouldnt mind paying for it) when im done with this cycle and have run my PCT which should leave me done somewhere around new years. Will you be taking on new cadets by then?

Shoot me a PM with everything you wrote above here.

[psycho66]

How long does it take u to formulate a diet/training program?

A week? ... just wondering ...

[SHOT]

How long does it take u to formulate a diet/training program?

A week? ... just wondering ...

I answered this already 5 times

[6ft8monster]

on a side note... i did some grocery shopping..... $267.. <-- wonders how long its gonna last.. lol

[Thin Build]

you guys should name urselfs...

TEAM FIERCE FORCE!

[jjjxmmmxbbb]

on a side note... i did some grocery shopping..... $267.. <-- wonders how long its gonna last.. lol

i here ya. my grocery bill is more then all my supplements and aas. eating the expensive part

[SHOT]

It seems some of you are not getting my pm's

If you Pmed me and i didnt get back to you within 24 hours then send again...or if u havnt heard from me in awhile

this goes for my clients or soon to be clients..only

[Halfroman]

SHOT bro I've sent you like 3 pms, most copied content from no response. What's going on man? heh.

[123 go]

I'm anxiously awaiting the routine :) already got the diet, it's funny I'm checking my PMs like 3-4 times a day lol


same here lol

[SHOT]

bump

[Cantucky]

can we get a SFC ROLL CALL!!!!!!!!!!!



6ft8monster here


Just now checking in! Confirmed and ready to get FIERCER!

6' even
222 lbs

[magnumfreak]

Not sure if you would consider me a part of the fierce crew but I paid shot for assistance for a big time cutter coming up in Jan. Can't wait to see his recommendations.

[BIG MOHO]

BUMP this up to the top. SHOT you got pm bro.

[SHOT]

IM posting to let ppl know that the Fierce crew is my clients.....

ppl who pay me for my work....this is not some kinda club ...im getting pm's from ppl telling me they want in this and even had one suggest changing the name to mother f*ckers something or other...ummm ok ya


anyway....yeah anyone can get in this..IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT ME TRAINGING YOU...thats the only way in

I dont mind if my clients put Fierce Crew in there sig..or under there name or whatever....but its not a "club" or anything like that...i take this seriously ...so should my clients.

[magnumfreak]

Shot, why don't you set up an email address so paying customers like us can contact you directly and securely. Like a cyber rights account. It will be easier for you to go through the emails instead of pm's that blend in with all of the other ones you get.

Just an idea.

[SHOT]

Shot, why don't you set up an email address so paying customers like us can contact you directly and securely. Like a cyber rights account. It will be easier for you to go through the emails instead of pm's that blend in with all of the other ones you get.

Just an idea.


Pm's is how Im going to keep on doing it...i already have your boards names logged...i dont want to have to start to rememeber e-mails and that...plus i had memebers e-mail me pics and for some reason they didnt show up in my inbox.

[6ft8monster]

got my routine today bros.... looks golden. ill update with how the workouts go

[zdoor]

got my routine today bros.... looks golden. ill update with how the workouts go


Your lucky bro. I'm anxiously waiting and looking forward to something new. After years of lifting its nice to still look forward to learning new things....

[SHOT]

Bump this up...

IM going to be running some Speicals for the thanksgiving/ xmass seasons....so anyone who is still interested in training and diets...all custom hit me up....like the bros have said the prices are very very reasonable.

[boostnmuscle]

Bump this up...

IM going to be running some Speicals for the thanksgiving/ xmass seasons....so anyone who is still interested in training and diets...all custom hit me up....like the bros have said the prices are very very reasonable.
ahhh I cant wait 4 mine so I can start!!!!!!!!

[rmj8606]

Bump this up...

IM going to be running some Speicals for the thanksgiving/ xmass seasons....so anyone who is still interested in training and diets...all custom hit me up....like the bros have said the prices are very very reasonable.
ohh i see how it is shot, we all pay full price but then you run specials huh ;) haha o well im two weeks into my diet, and this is my first week on the routing and im up 6lbs already so i cant complain too much i suppose.

[bigmike21]

Shots knowledge is worth every penny. Ive been on his regimin for a week and already getting" you must be on steroids" comments from everyone I know And I havent even started my cycle yet,

[SHOT]

ohh i see how it is shot, we all pay full price but then you run specials huh ;) haha o well im two weeks into my diet, and this is my first week on the routing and im up 6lbs already so i cant complain too much i suppose.

It changed alittle...doesnt mean the price changed...its already sssooo cheap as it is

[jjjxmmmxbbb]

bump
cant wait for my plan to get started

[Intellectural]

Bump to Shot's training being worth every penny, great advice/knowledge access at an extremely reasonable price.

[BIG MOHO]

BUMP it up. Cant wait either :D

[SHOT]

I will be pulling an all nighter again bros making up diets and training programs...so alot of you will have something in your inbox tomarrow.

[psycho66]

I will be pulling an all nighter again bros making up diets and training programs...so alot of you will have something in your inbox tomarrow.
Sweet

[jjjxmmmxbbb]

I will be pulling an all nighter again bros making up diets and training programs...so alot of you will have something in your inbox tomarrow.
alrighty

[rmj8606]

It changed alittle...doesnt mean the price changed...its already sssooo cheap as it is
haha i know man i was jp with you..honestly from the results ive had so far, id be willing to pay 3 times as much as i did..very reasonable..

[SHOT]

alrighty
Bro they way you are growing on your deit and that..im not going to change anything....

[platestacker]

I will be pulling an all nighter again bros making up diets and training programs...so alot of you will have something in your inbox tomarrow.


Cool....I think were all Cocked, Stocked, and ready to Rock!!

[2pounds]

Cool....I think were all Cocked, Stocked, and ready to Rock!!



This engine is far from stock,,, but I am cocked:D

[jjjxmmmxbbb]

bump bump bump..................... u get the idea

[6ft8monster]

Bump..... just sending it back to the top.


looks like you are right up there with me in size bro..

[SHOT]

If anyone is interested in custom diets...custom workoput programs for any level and any goal shoot me a PM...

[magnumfreak]

looks like you are right up there with me in size bro..

Yup. Getting there. It has been a long trip but well worth it. I have become completely addicted to this lifestyle.

[DYnomyte001]

Shot, I shot you a pm har har har.

[Intellectural]

Bump, Shot, where you at, check the PM's...

[Intellectural]

Bump...

[Powersitup]

any spots left?

[SHOT]

any spots left?

YES SIR!!! SHOOT ME A PM

[fastEd]

YES SIR!!! SHOOT ME A PM

Biiiiiiizzzump..........

I got my diet..........and man.....oh wait I've gotta eat again.............. 10 meals a day...........

shot I'll send you some more PM's with stats as they change.

[Gizmo]

SHOT, are you getting my PM's bro??
I'm not getting any from you

Giz

[Cantucky]

Bump... Pm.

[SHOT]

ppl interested PM me

[twistedlndscape]

I ph33r shots crew. Haha, and for x-mas I'm asking my parents (yeah, they still give me xmas gifts at 21. laugh all you want ****ers) for $$ to get in on his diet planning. No joke here either (aside of the ph33r the crew part). I seriously wanna hop on this. Shot, PM me on how much it costs. Thanks bro

[Halfroman]

You've got a pm bro...

[Dennis_82]

ppl interested PM me

Are you getting all the pms?

[SHOT]

My net is still down...like i been sayin if i get to the computer once every other day or every other 3rd day thats alot right now...

First thing im doing is checking my PM's so they are all getting caught up....thanks to everyone who has been really cool and understand about this...other then one f*cking prick

Some of the clients are NOT updating me with what is going on....if you do NOT update me then we can NOT makre the changes that are needed....every diet starts out as a base...and then it will need to be changed and fitted to the person for there needs....some diets will need changed more then others...depends on the person.....so keep me updated as you go with the progress....just shoot me a PM that says "update" so i know

Since i cant get onto my computer its hard for me to keep track of everyone so you have to do your best to keep me updated as much as you feel the need for.

[SHOT]

Are you getting all the pms?

I sent you two pm's sat. night asking you what gear your "friend" was going to run or if he wanted me to choose..no reply

[Dennis_82]

I sent you two pm's sat. night asking you what gear your "friend" was going to run or if he wanted me to choose..no reply

Yeah and I just happend to get everyone else's but "your's" magically disappeared.

[SHOT]

I am very happy to hear that everyone is making killer gains....hell some of you have lost more BF NOW then i thought you would in 10 weeks....i am very proud of you all that are sticking to the base diets i gave you all....it makes it alot easier for me to make the changes i need to....

there are still some of you who have not updated me much...i hope its cause you are very happy with how things are going....but i still need a update so we can make changes...

i am happy with everyone im working with....and glad to say that 99% of you have requested to work with me for another round after this one is over....thats great...

i do have some open spots...so ppl who are still interested....let me know...the prices are still really cheap...

thanks to everyone for being so cool about the late pm's since my net has been down...you all been great...and when you apply again ill make sure i discount the price for you all....we only had one dick head who bitched...

everyone else been really cool...and great to work with...im proud of you bros and im looking forward to a new year of hard core training.

[6ft8monster]

no prob shot... had some stuff go down that affeced my diet for a little while.. but things are working out better now... and nah it isnt the dnp.. lol.. i figured hell let me run that now... i cant really eat like i need to anyway... needless to say i have freezer full of food i am ready to tear up

[BIG MOHO]

bump...shot you got pm bro

[SHOT]

bump...shot you got pm bro

Back at you bro..make sure you get this one.

[SHOT]

Yeah and I just happend to get everyone else's but "your's" magically disappeared.

If you knew to keep your inbox clean so pm could get through then you wouldnt be cryin like alittle bitch.....and stop crying about how i banned you because it doesnt say banned under your name does it fool?

[SHOT]

Up to the top....old clents..up date a brother...

New clients..or one that want to join...shoot me a PM we can get this party started.

[SHOT]

I dont want anyone to have REALLY FAST RESULTS....because those results dont last.. bodybuilding is not a 40 yard sprint...its a long slow pace race....and those are the kinda results we are looking for...ones that we are going to keep....no one is going to do from the avg weight lifter to a national ranked bodybuilder in 10 weeks..or even 10 months

And remember.....Bodybuilders dont havr to lift 1000 lbs..they just have to look like they can.

[fastEd]

And remember.....Bodybuilders dont havr to lift 1000 lbs..they just have to look like they can.

Agreed....... the ladies don't care what your bench is just what your chest feels like........ LOL

[6ft8monster]

my strength is about the same.. i didnt lose any muscle while on the dnp for those 12 days.. and due to a sickness i couldnt eat as much as i needed to as outlined by my diet by shot... i kept the workouts up though.. it was kind of hard being sick and dealing with the dnp but i pushed through.. pct is going ok... i am loooking forward to getting all that food in me so i can see how much i grow before my next cycle

[123 go]

i've been pissing like a race horse as well, i think it might be water as i've gotten a couple of coments on back. haven't been doing my cardio (too much schoolwork right now) and my fat is still going down. strength is up too...it's kinda weird. but im still im on routine.

[gonna.be.big]

i wanna be fierce.

pm me please bro with info- thats if there are any slots open. thanks in advance.

[SHOT]

I sent you a PM gonna.be.big

[zdoor]

Been 2 weeks of dieting, cardio, and the new lifting routine. I'm down about 5-6 lbs. Looking in the mirror it looks like BF is down a little and I've dropped water. My arms, delts and traps seem to show the biggest change. Strength is about the same but the pumps I'm getting are intense. Thumbs up so far.

[SHOT]

Been 2 weeks of dieting, cardio, and the new lifting routine. I'm down about 5-6 lbs. Looking in the mirror it looks like BF is down a little and I've dropped water. My arms, delts and traps seem to show the biggest change. Strength is about the same but the pumps I'm getting are intense. Thumbs up so far.

The thing about Zdoor is he is no rookie...he has been around awhile..so i knew results were going to come alittle harder for him since he has been doing this for so long. He also has a pretty good build ...so i knew that he has been doing somerhings right for years now....i still knew i could help him take it to the next level tho....

[SHOT]

up

[SHOT]

Ok..im pretty sure im caught up on all pm's....i still dont have the net full time...just when i can get to my girls work lap top...good news is they are workin on getting the net back up and running around here.

There were like 4 ppl who Pm;ed me asking for my help....i read the Pm;s but didnt reply right away cause i had others that needed replyed to first.....when i went back to reply to the PM's either the ppls boxes were full or i deleted the pm;s before i could reply by mistake

so thoes ppl are still interested in the training and or diets...shoot me another PM...like i said i have some thanksgiving and Xmass Specials coming up

[boostnmuscle]

Ive been so busy the past 2-3 weeks with getting ready 4 initiation for my fraternity and just became a brother :) so 2day im recovering from a long day of drinking yesterday 2 celebrate and goin food shoppin in a bit n then starting HARDCORE on the diet and training starting tommorow so Ill post my results and what im noticing soon...training seems a little basic but im sure its just 2 see how I can grow off that, diet is good though....Reps 4 SHOT ill post soon

[philly123]

bump... just joined...cant wait

[fastEd]

Bumpin it up................. Is everyone getting the gains they want?

[Haplochrom]

diets going good. my hips are starting to feel some wear from the cardio, but thats more from my size than from the cardio. Because of the work and school, i havent been able to fulfill it 100%, but now that school is almost done and most of the pressure is off, i am back on full force. How do yall keep the appetite up with all of the eating?

[fastEd]

Well I just got over the flu last week so I was set back a little.......... as far as the eating it takes me some effort to try and eat that much, Well last week I was lucky if I was eating anything. FELT LIKE AAAAAARSE! all week.

[Haplochrom]

yah i got the flu last week as well. workin until 3 in the morning didnt help it too much. i gained so much water weight last week from cutting back on the running! I went from drinking about 2 or 3 gallons of water and doing nearly three hours of cardio, to drinking the same and lying in bed. i gained around 6 pounds from last week. it sucked.

[lostdaytomorrow]

Bump for big SHOT

[joey_tgstk]

bump

[PoorBigBoy]

Shot

Being that I'm a new guy you always have been helpful to me. For that thanks Bro

Bump This

[DYnomyte001]

Shot is no longer a mod. He owes me 350$.

[Intellectural]

Shot owes me $775.

[Macdaddy25]

I talked to him 9 days ago. I dont think this is right but il let you guys think what you want.

Mac

[ratmonkey]

it's not because of the money that he owes, it is the reason he owes the money that has necessitated his removal as a modertor.

this is not a decision made by the general staff of this site, it is ryans perogative as shot has broken the rules of being a moderator at this site.

judgment has not been passed yet.

[joey_tgstk]

Jeez, hope he doesn't go bad :(

-Joey

[RetiredMod]

it's not because of the money that he owes, it is the reason he owes the money that has necessitated his removal as a modertor.

this is not a decision made by the general staff of this site, it is ryans perogative as shot has broken the rules of being a moderator at this site.

judgment has not been passed yet.
Just to re-iterate because lots of people don't read things carefully

SHOT wasn't removed as mod because of anything he owes to anyone, he was removed because of actions mods aren't allowed to partake in

Hopefully SHOT will come on here and clear things up soon...

However I should mention to anyone who was going to send $ to SHOT, hold off until this is all cleared up, it's just easier that way

[tek.]

o man, ive got faith in him im sure he'll come thru his probly just held up with his family

[epote]

if it between shot as a mod or shot as a member that does what things should be done, then there is no argument at all.

If anyone of you ever being a mod, its only a burden and nothing more, it just gives some unfounded credit because your user name is in bold letters.

trouble is, if he just left or smt, which frankly would suck.

in any case, has anyone talked to him lately? If he really is in deep family **** (and most likely he is, he doesnt look like a guy that would use family like that - shot has even through the net shown an adamantant character) then we sould cut him some slack, and be patient

[psycho66]

o man, ive got faith in him im sure he'll come thru his probly just held up with his family
dont hold your breath bro ...

[Halfroman]

This is going to get ugly unfortunatly, as it seems there are many who are owed diet/training/misc from SHOT and many who are unsatisfied with the programs they recieved... although little can be done about that now, I suppose. It would be nice if he came back to remove the shroud of doubt that's been placed upon him... but considering the circumstances, the money owed and ultimately the precedent cases of activity like this... I am afraid I'm leaning towards psycho's suggestion.

bump however.

[6ft8monster]

damn.. oh well we will see what happens... hopefully the bro didnt go bad but who knows in this game..

luckily i got my diet and a workout prior to this whole incident...

but damn $350 and $700+.. what kind of program were you getting

[madden]

i'm REALLY pissed off. Not impressive!!!!

[tek.]

hopefully he comes thru but isnt he training on a month to month basis? his been off for a few weeks already

[BIG MOHO]

damn.. oh well we will see what happens... hopefully the bro didnt go bad but who knows in this game..

luckily i got my diet and a workout prior to this whole incident...

but damn $350 and $700+.. what kind of program were you getting

Same here. Got my diet and workout prior, but he was supposed to help me tweak it a bit. Its kind of sad.....when I first came to bb.com, SHOT was one of the most respected bros here. :(

[tek.]

he posted a few weeks ago saying he had a family emergency i think the post got deleted or somethin, so he was only training ppl on this board yeah? so a few k, he wouldnt write himself off for that..

[6ft8monster]

the really messed up part is when you get the diet and especially the routine you realize you knew all the info already.. you just didnt put it together that way or apply it

[tek.]

11-25-2005, 08:23 PM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=635669

hopefully he comes in and sorta everythin out

[fastEd]

I talked to him 9 days ago. I dont think this is right but il let you guys think what you want.

Mac

So what did he say 9 days ago? He promoted his "Fierce Crew" and got a lot of people to send him money for "ADVICE" and now your the only one that has heard from him.

so give us the details, please

[Halfroman]

he posted a few weeks ago saying he had a family emergency i think the post got deleted or somethin, so he was only training ppl on this board yeah? so a few k, he wouldnt write himself off for that..

This is the only part that is really troubling... Over a few thousand dollars. Sounds like alot of money to some (me, considering I'm a university student who makes next to nothing) but to a man with a career etc. that's not worth going sour over, espesially considering what may happen if you do...

Bump to what 6f8 said... The program/diet I recieved I could have composed myself in 10 minutes, it wasn't detailed etc. and apparently many members recieved the exact same program/diet.

The list grows :/

Oh and 6f8... I'll pm you in a sec.

[twistedlndscape]

I'm glad I didn't waste my money. I never had a beef with shot but I hated how he constantly advertised his diet ****. It was everywhere. And if you ever PMed him anything he didn't answer for me. He just said "my diet is better then that" and it could be about drinking water, heh. One time he even told me his diet would make me lose faster then DNP. While dieting is safer, NO diet will make you lose faster then DNP. If it did, it would be dangerous. I mean, cmon. Tell people you have a program going and then drop it. Don't put the **** up every 5 mins.


And to the bros who lost their hundreds of $ they sent to him for "programs"... I hope it works out for you bros but I would be nervous too about now.

[fastEd]

This is the only part that is really troubling... Over a few thousand dollars. Sounds like alot of money to some (me, considering I'm a university student who makes next to nothing) but to a man with a career etc. that's not worth going sour over, espesially considering what may happen if you do...



someone on another board is claiming the "few thousand" is really about $20,000 that he knows of so far.




Bump to what 6f8 said... The program/diet I recieved I could have composed myself in 10 minutes, it wasn't detailed etc. and apparently many members recieved the exact same program/diet.

The list grows :/

Oh and 6f8... I'll pm you in a sec.

agreed the only thing ever recieved was the base diet/workout that he was supposed to tweak and adjust. Any highschool newbie could have come up with the diet/workout that everyone I know of got sent to them and then he never tweaked it for them.

God, Karma, and SHOT know the truth and I'll sleep easy tonight thinking about that.

Ya'll enjoy BB.com this is my last post..................

[tek.]

someone on another board is claiming the "few thousand" is really about $20,000 that he knows of so far.

damn

[tek.]

wow it dosnt look good at all, on ssb he was posting selling IGF-1 KITS on december 1st. ppl askin where his at, maybe it is alot of $

[psycho66]

he posted a few weeks ago saying he had a family emergency i think the post got deleted or somethin, so he was only training ppl on this board yeah? so a few k, he wouldnt write himself off for that..
are u fu(kin blind bro??? - everthink that maybe it was a set up ???

Hes a phony - all those pictures that he posted werent him!!!!!!

i heard the number was more aroung 5k ... i know more but i cant get into it yet ...

[Halfroman]

Holy ****... If its close that that amount... Oh boy lol.

Can anyone say 'Drive by pictures of his house followed by harassing phone calls and death threats!'. This is the WRONG game to scam anyone in... espesially on THIS board of all boards. I am confident that if he scammed as much as he did, justice (in whichever perverted form) will find him one way or another...

[tek.]

yeah bro i caught on he seemed like a respectable straight up guy its tough to imagine that its all bull****

[twistedlndscape]

are u fu(kin blind bro??? - everthink that maybe it was a set up ???

Hes a phony - all those pictures that he posted werent him!!!!!!

i heard the number was more aroung 5k ... i know more but i cant get into it yet ...

Yeah. I think it was a setup. I think he got into this board and built his rep with good intentions just like all of use. Then when he realized one day he can make so much $ by a scam and just reappear under a new identity, he figured why not do it. I mean, he _may have_ pulled off at very least $5,000 with two weeks of scamming and only took about 3 hours total (posts about diets, PMs, etc) a day. That's like $1,000/day of actual work. So even if he has a career, why not he may have thought.

[tek.]

Holy ****... If its close that that amount... Oh boy lol.

Can anyone say 'Drive by pictures of his house followed by harassing phone calls and death threats!'. This is the WRONG game to scam anyone in... espesially on THIS board of all boards. I am confident that if he scammed as much as he did, justice (in whichever perverted form) will find him one way or another...

nahh bro he was pretty smart there's not much on him anywhere unless his gettin wu delivered to his house chances are he'll just disapear into the nite...

[tek.]

Yeah. I think it was a setup. I think he got into this board and built his rep with good intentions just like all of use. Then when he realized one day he can make so much $ by a scam and just reappear under a new identity, he figured why not do it. I mean, he _may have_ pulled off at very least $5,000 with two weeks of scamming and only took about 3 hours total (posts about diets, PMs, etc) a day. That's like $1,000/day of actual work. So even if he has a career, why not he may have thought.

yeah well his got alot of rep on alot of boards so i could really see it balooning up to 20k like someone said earlier

[Max1pc]

im not going 2 say anything about my opinion until i see what happens in the next few weeks....i've been around long enuff 2 see alot of dirt on alot of people

[Max1pc]

nahh bro he was pretty smart there's not much on him anywhere unless his gettin wu delivered to his house chances are he'll just disapear into the nite...


lol thats what u think....i can pretty much give out a GREAT amount of detail but as i said, ill wait and see what happens in the next few days....just like the mods are waiting

[Halfroman]

nahh bro he was pretty smart there's not much on him anywhere unless his gettin wu delivered to his house chances are he'll just disapear into the nite...

Not exactly. There is more information about SHOT than he or I think alot of people are aware of at this time, this goes quite a bit deeper... i wish I could say more, but without the evidence it's frivalous and as good as a rumour. All I can say is wait guys, because the **** is going to hit the fan and some of its working in our favour...

[fastEd]

lol thats what u think....i can pretty much give out a GREAT amount of detail but as i said, ill wait and see what happens in the next few days....just like the mods are waiting

OK I said I was done posting but I would have to agree with you. I'm going to watch this one play out.

[tek.]

damn thats insane, hope all works out but if he really scammed i hope the ppl do whatever it takes to get as much of there money back as they can

[fastEd]

I talked to him 9 days ago. I dont think this is right but il let you guys think what you want.

Mac

So what's the deal? Your the only one who has heard from him in wks, did you talk to him on the phone, thru PM, email?

[magnumfreak]

He promised me delivery on what I requested by Christmas so I have to give him until then. He has answered all of the pm's I sent so I have no complaints there.

Only time will tell. Hopefully everything is ok on his end. Because we deal so much through the internet instead of person to person contact it is impossible for most of us to really know what is happening on the other side.

[TheGreekGod]

I spoke to him via pm on another board on the 6th.

[madden]

I talked to him 9 days ago. I dont think this is right but il let you guys think what you want.

Mac

So spill the beans. What did he say??? This guy screwed so many bros on this site and two others. If you know anything then fill everybody in. You're probably talking thru your azz. You're just a lil' bltch just like SHOT.

[psycho66]

I spoke to him via pm on another board on the 6th.
15th - 6th = that was 9 days ago (i love math) ... hes long gone by know

[6ft8monster]

i am not looking to get my money back.. after all i only sent him $75 but i still feel cheated.. i felt kinda cheated way before all this even came up.. i have half a mind to post the diet and routine he gave me in here to see how many bros got the same ****

[fastEd]

15th - 6th = that was 9 days ago (i love math) ... hes long gone by know

Yeah do this math....

I just got back in town on thanksgiving...only to hear that i have a family emergency that came up ...i wont get into any details just yet but if you could say a pray for my sister i would be very thankfull


I am staying at my sisters house while she is in the hospital to watch her kids. I dont have her password for the internet yet but once i get it if i can ill get to all my PM;s and e-mails

FOr all the bros that are waiting on Pm;s...e-mails..or anything else...ill make sure i take care of it all this coming week....i just want to give you all the heads up...and mostly would like to have some prays sent up there for my sister as she really needs them right now. Between watching her kids..and trying to hold the family together...i am just beat down...i havnt slept much in the past 2 night since i found out about this and i just need a good nights rest...

But to my clients..and those who are waiting on things...im sorry for yet another delay......

Ill take care of everything by the end of this coming week hopefully and will be totaly caught up with things....

So if you sent me a pm in the past few days....dont think im blowing anyone off cause i didnt reply asap..ill get to them as soon as i have time...i have alot of young kids to watch who are worried sick about there mother right now...so its going to be ****ty....but everything will be caught up this week im pretty sure

thanks to everyone who prays for my sister or keep her in your thoughts.


That would mean he would have been caught up by the 1st. If he made this story up that is..................... I can't even think of words that would describe someone who would make up a cancer stricken sister in order to rip people off for workout "advice".

Maybe we'll get a post from him clearing everthing up...........phhhphhhhhhhh

[fastEd]

i am not looking to get my money back.. after all i only sent him $75 but i still feel cheated.. i felt kinda cheated way before all this even came up.. i have half a mind to post the diet and routine he gave me in here to see how many bros got the same ****

Hey bro this is youre base diet for right now

meal 1--10 eggs. 2 whole..the rest just whites...1/2 cup oatmeal and some kinda fruit

meal 2-- protein shake, 1/2 cup cashews and 2 tbs of natural peanut butter

meal 3-- 10 oz chicken 1/2 cup rice 1/2 cup veggies

meal 4-- same as meal 2

meal 5- 10 oz beef...1/2 cup veggies and 1 sweat ptoato or baked

meal 6- same as meal 2 and 4

meal 7-- either 10 oz ground turkey or ground beef or steak 1/2 cup veggies and 1/2 cup rice

meal 8- same as meal 2 4 and 6

meal 9- 10 oz fish ..no carbs

meal 10- same as mean 2 4 6 and 8 (this meal is before bed if you are hungry bro)

You can add 1 cheat meal per day since we are bulking...dont over do it tho...and make sure u can still get in the rest of the listed meals above...if you cant then dont eat the cheat meal.

also drink...has to be sugar free...no pop..or **** like that...there is alot of good sugar free drinks out there.

also i want you to take in 2 tbs of flax seed oil with every meal...and i want you to take in a good amount of fish oil caps...prob like 2-3 times the amount they say on the bottles...

make sure you take in your vit. too...

any questions let me know.

[Macdaddy25]

So what's the deal? Your the only one who has heard from him in wks, did you talk to him on the phone, thru PM, email?


When i talked to him he said that things were getting better at the hospital and that he'd talk to me sometime soon.

that was the message he gave me.

[fastEd]

i am not looking to get my money back.. after all i only sent him $75 but i still feel cheated.. i felt kinda cheated way before all this even came up.. i have half a mind to post the diet and routine he gave me in here to see how many bros got the same ****

ok well arsm you are going to start out with standing DB curls...do 2 warm up sets then do 3 working sets..those sets will be till you fail...try to get 5-8 reps per arm....
after you done with that go over to the cable cross over and your going to do tri push downs
do 2 warm up sets....then put the pin at the botton usein all the weight....start there and do as many reps as u can...then rack it...take the pinb up 2 slots...and do as many as u can...rack it..then move it up again 2 slots and do as many as u can..till you use up all the weight ok
you only do 1 sets like that then ur done
now your going to move over to EZ bar standing curls...and your going to super set these with incline frensh press (skulls)
these two excerises u want to do alot of reps...25-30 reps...good forum...really really slow
on the frensh press pause it right when its almost going to hit your face
: 3 sec pause 3 set
then i want you to super set preacher curls..1 arm at a time...with rope curls
go heavy on the preach 7-9 reps...but light on the rope curls...about 20-30 lbs 50-75 reps
really squeeze
if you dont like doing rope curls then do standing rear bi curls...u know like how you would do a rear bi pose and use the cable cross over ...use the upper pulleys with the single handle on each side
these u will do 3-4 sets with

now on to delts
delts start out with DB side laterals tanding
do 1-2 warm up sets....then do 3-4 sets about 10-12 reps good form
: make sure that you turn your thumbs down when your armsd are out like your on the cross
bring them up and as u bring up up turn your thumbs down and they should be completely down by the time ur at the top
: if you are unsure about any of this let me know
go to behind the neck presses...on the smith machine....make sure you have a spotter..i want you to go heavy ...4 sets...till you fail..you should get atleast 8 reps per set tho
super set these with rear delts ...useing the DB do a reverse fly..you should be bent

on to back
start out with Lat pull down...you have a hammer strneth machines?
i want you to go heavy..1 arm at a time 8-10 reps
get someone to spot you and give you alittle help on the last 2 reps..make sure ur going that heavy
after that then move onto stiff leg deads
heavy...about 4 sets
: 6-8 reps
now..go to lower pully and do rows
12-15 reps...good form ...slow...when you bring it to your chest hold it for 3-4 sec
finish off with some heavyt shrugs...front and rear
4 sets
with the shrugs i want you to do 2 heavy sets and 2 light sets...2 heavy sets first...then the light sets 225 for like 50 reps
dont you wear straps for any of this

now legs...

start out with extentions
do a few warm up sets....then remember how we did tri push downs? one set just kept dropping the weight as soon as we rack it..with no rest? well thats what you do with these too
no i want you go to to leg press
have a spotter....now i aint going to have u go really heavy yet
do about 3 sets kinda heavy..then the last set i want 50 reps
i want you to then hit some leg curls..the same was as the extentions
calfs i want you to get on the box..in the smith machine..load it up HEAVY and i want you to do raises but we will do a rest pause set....we will do 1 set of 40 reps...start out doing as many as u can..rack it...give yourself 45 sex rest..then go at it again doing as many as u can....rack it...45 sex rest..then go again...keep doing this till u get to 40 reps
this is your base workout...after talking with you about it for about a week or 2 we will change it if it needs it.


Chest
incline bench...bring it down to your chin and pause for 2 sec...
4 sets
every set till u fail get atleast 6 reps
then go to flat flys...about 10-12 reps...really squeeze...4 sets
i want you to do weighted dips...stap on a 45 and do dips...do 3-4 sets...as many as u can...get a spot..u shoudl be able to do 20-25 reps easy

then i was you to super set incline flys and DB pull overs
: 4 sets...10-12 reps...slow..really squeeze

[Macdaddy25]

I dont think it would of been smart of him to give out his address if he was going to rip ppl off. Im just waiting til he comes back.

Mac

[fastEd]

I dont think it would of been smart of him to give out his address if he was going to rip ppl off. Im just waiting til he comes back.

Mac

I hope your right................. it's hard to believe someone could be that low.

[6ft8monster]

word for fuccin word................. i amwondering how my custom diet is the same as someone elses.. especially due to my dimensions

[fastEd]

i am not looking to get my money back.. after all i only sent him $75 but i still feel cheated.. i felt kinda cheated way before all this even came up.. i have half a mind to post the diet and routine he gave me in here to see how many bros got the same ****

well I'm 5' 10" 185 11% bf wanting a LEAN bulk.................. your 6'8" and I don't remember for sure but around 275 (before DNP?)

and we get the same diet and workout, that is pretty weak. at least change the portion size in the diet........LOL

You know what though, I've never trusted anyone online for anything other than some anecdotal info on things before this so oh well..............it should be expected that he was selling the same diet/workout to everyone.

[6ft8monster]

i was about 295 before dnp.. around 280 after

[magnumfreak]

Hmmm.. not looking good guys. I am with monster on this one. How can a custom diet be the same for everyone.

Did he ask for any detailed information regarding your past history on training, diet and cycles?

[6ft8monster]

Hmmm.. not looking good guys. I am with monster on this one. How can a custom diet be the same for everyone.

Did he ask for any detailed information regarding your past history on training, diet and cycles?


he didnt ask mine... its also funny how the workout is the same.. fuccin cutting and pasting.... no wonder he didnt want anyone to share their "custom diets and workouts"

[fastEd]

Hmmm.. not looking good guys. I am with monster on this one. How can a custom diet be the same for everyone.

Did he ask for any detailed information regarding your past history on training, diet and cycles?

He asked, but how can 2 guys almost a foot different in height, and 100lbs in weight need the same "custom" diet/workout........LOL........

we got played!

[Macdaddy25]

He told me him self that he was going to change mine and that it was just a base diet. so i imagine that he was going to do this with everyone. But il let you guys duke it out. i may of paid him some $. i still have faith.

Mac

[fastEd]

He told me him self that he was going to change mine and that it was just a base diet. so i imagine that he was going to do this with everyone. But il let you guys duke it out. i may of paid him some $. i still have faith.

Mac

I truly hope your right. honestly though I would rather it turn out that he was a scammer than it turn out he was a good bro who got in trouble or suffered a tragic family loss.

I would lose some money over having another person lose a loved one or get in other trouble.

[magnumfreak]

He told me him self that he was going to change mine and that it was just a base diet. so i imagine that he was going to do this with everyone. But il let you guys duke it out. i may of paid him some $. i still have faith.

Mac

A base diet for a 200 pound man is totally different that one for a 300 pound man.

Seems like there is a big variance in the price everyone paid also. Wonder what the difference was there??

[Intellectural]

I recieved the exact same diet, and I'm 5'9" and 170, absolutely ridiculous. I've seen this coming for a while, he has owed me stuff for 2 months with excuse after excuse.

Shot has scammed a lot of people on here, and I'm hoping something can be done to rectify the situation. I had no idea it had gone this deep, and that this many people were trusting him with their money.

I was a newb on here, and a mod with 10,000+ posts took serious advantage of my ignorance. I really hope this can turnout ok...

[fastEd]

I recieved the exact same diet, and I'm 5'9" and 170, absolutely ridiculous. I've seen this coming for a while, he has owed me stuff for 2 months with excuse after excuse.

Shot has scammed a lot of people on here, and I'm hoping something can be done to rectify the situation. I had no idea it had gone this deep, and that this many people were trusting him with their money.

I was a newb on here, and a mod with 10,000+ posts took serious advantage of my ignorance. I really hope this can turnout ok...

Yep is sucks to think that what was one of the most well respected and well known boards around was being used in what it looks like could be one of the biggest scams around in a while.

[Intellectural]

Anyone who has any recent correspondence from Shot needs to post the details so we can piece this together.

[Macdaddy25]

i will post any info i get. im saposed to be hearing from some people later on today.

mac

[Intellectural]

Thanks man, you seem to be the only one who has heard from him in the past few weeks, I wouldn't hold any illusions that you will get what you are supposed to...

[sikboy]

A base diet for a 200 pound man is totally different that one for a 300 pound man.

Seems like there is a big variance in the price everyone paid also. Wonder what the difference was there??
Exactly, because a 200 lb mans BMR is only 2400, where as a 300 lb mans is 3600, so if the 300lb man was eating what a 200 lb man's needs to maintain his weight, he would be eating 1200 cals less, this deficit over a week would come to 7600, this would equate to approx 2.5 lbs of fat loss a week as there is 3500 cals I 1 lb of fat, but if he didn't engage in intensive exercise, he would also lose some muscle.

If a 200 lb man ate the maintenance amount of cals as 300 lb man, he would gain around 2.5 lbs of fat a week, if he was sedentary most of the time, however if he regularly exercised, he would burn some of that 1200 cal excess off, but would still gain fat quite fast.

And of course there is individual metabolisms and activity lvl to take into account.

[johnnyironboard]

Just to re-iterate because lots of people don't read things carefully

SHOT wasn't removed as mod because of anything he owes to anyone, he was removed because of actions mods aren't allowed to partake in

Hopefully SHOT will come on here and clear things up soon...

However I should mention to anyone who was going to send $ to SHOT, hold off until this is all cleared up, it's just easier that way
I always thought it was fishy that a mod was using this forum "to sell his services"- always seemed like a conflict of interest to me.

[philly123]

wow...guess i am out 150 bucks...plus the 25 it cost me to send the money. I am gonna wait to see what happens to...not like I have much choice considering were on the internet. This really blows man thats all I gotta say...and honestyl, I cant belive this dude was posting on another board selling IGF kits on the first when I've eben waiting for a base diet for a month. I never got ****, and 175 dollars is a lot of money to a college student

[Halfroman]

To those who pm'ed me, sorry I was playing some Dungeon Siege 2... (stfu, I e-rpg it up :D) I'd rather not write out complicated responses because I'm heading to the gym in an hour and to compile everything is rather tedious, so I just responded with my aim... just go ahead and add me and I'll speak to you directly. If you don't have aim... just let me know, i'll type it up then.

And 6f8... Mine was identical as well.

[madden]

That BlTCH gave me the exact diet too. I'm 190 5'10. I recieved two different diets from him and he told me the first one was for beginners. When I told him that i've been seriously lifting for 3 years, then he told me to sign up for the ULTIMATE RESULTS package. What a bunch of bull****. I even sent him 3 payments. The last one was $350.00USD. I lost $750.00USD from this loser.
I thought there was no way that the mod of bodybuilding.com could bs. And out of all the mods it was SHOT, the guy that has helped me before so many times. He totally bumped up my confidence that he could turn me into a first place finisher on the stage as he had done with 5 other clients. I thought this was the best investment of my life. WRONG!!!!! I had so much respect for this guy and I can even say that I looked up to him. Man i'm pissed off. I bet this jack off wasn't even for real. That's what really hurts. Now we can't TRUST NOBODY on here. Not even the other mods.

[Haplochrom]

i payed less than one bill and he gave me everything. i payed less than a bill including the shipping rates. i dont feel too bad because of how little i paid, but sending someone over one thousand dollars? you had to question that. im sorry that it hppened that way to you, good luck with it.

[madden]

i payed less than one bill and he gave me everything. i payed less than a bill including the shipping rates. i dont feel too bad because of how little i paid, but sending someone over one thousand dollars? you had to question that. im sorry that it hppened that way to you, good luck with it.

But this guys totally helped me with my transformation, especailly within the last year. I used to communicate with him 3 times a week and he'd give me great tips. He told me a few months back that he tried his trial program with a few people and it went 10 times better than he ever thought it would. He even said he had a couple of his clients end up taking first place and the overall in there competitions when they'd never won in their previous 10 competitions. And dude that is convincing especially coming from him.

[Max1pc]

ok ill just say this, shot always said he was up till 2am blah blah making custom diets ect and all of his "crew" members had custom diets made by him that took him hours 2 do and were growing at alarming speed....um he spends so much time on "diets" yet people get the same ones?
i didn't want to say anything even when he came out with this but shot's fierce group? wtf? i sooo would love to express my views on all of this but i better just wait

[johnnyironboard]

wow...guess i am out 150 bucks...plus the 25 it cost me to send the money.


Western Union? That should have sounded the alarm.

[johnnyironboard]

bump this up

Still spots open...when i found out that i would be working less hours at my job (which i didnt think they would let me) i am taking on a few more clients...




I thought he owned an import/export biz and was engaged to a physician??

[madden]

A couple of my buddies got screwed too and they paid 150.00USD for their diets. My buddy Mike never even got his **** and he sent money to SHOT basically a little more than 2 months ago.

[Max1pc]

But this guys totally helped me with my transformation, especailly within the last year. I used to communicate with him 3 times a week and he'd give me great tips. He told me a few months back that he tried his trial program with a few people and it went 10 times better than he ever thought it would. He even said he had a couple of his clients end up taking first place and the overall in there competitions when they'd never won in their previous 10 competitions. And dude that is convincing especially coming from him.


i can say i have 10 cars, 50 beautiful wifes, and 10 billion dollars all from my secret solution formula that made others like U madly rich....for 25$!!!! now why the HELL would u believe that and spend over $1000? even the TOP and i MEAN TOP trainers on the net (the onces who have been doin it for years and will give u phone #s, addys ect...such as Iron Addict, Dante or Inhuman!)
don't ask for this much....**** with IA, u will get over a year of training for 500$!

[johnnyironboard]

....i have a 650+ lbs squat for reps....i get 12 reps weekly on incline bench at 405...i can dead lift 700 + lba from the floor WITH NO STRAPS...i can bust out bent over rows with 450 like it nothing....i flat benched 600lbs at age 20 and prob could have went heavier..i can leg press 35...yes 35...45 lbs plates plus my 240 lbs training partner on top of it for 12 reps



I'd like to see that. That leg press is 1815 lbs without taking into account the weight of the machine. wow strong legs.

[Max1pc]

I thought he owned an import/export biz and was engaged to a physician??



lol wrong...

[epote]

a)what happened to innocent till proven guilty?

b)what did you expect by a diet/training routine? Its diet and training, not magic, you start at some set point and then modify properly.

you could as well start braking the legs of all amateurs NPC heavywaits...OR have some patience, till this clears up properly.

bitching around about lost money, and what kind of lame ass jack ass shot is or is not, neither brings back your money, nor does it punish shot.

i on the other hand, downright refuce to believe that in order to pull of a scam, you post and post, and help out people, for more than *four* years. Its just not worth it.

so cut the man some slack, and wait it out, i have lost some $ too in the same boat (it wasnt diet/training though) but this kind of assumption making is ridiculous

peace brothers

[johnnyironboard]

i see one more ****ing person jack my thread with comments about something other then what its made for you ass is getting a 1 month ban

i aint f*cking playin....i never seen so many ****ing ignorent comments in my life....
he's going to ban somebody for jacking with his personal thread to make money for himself and not Bodybuilding.com--- the first sign something is running afoul...

[madden]

I still give him a little praise for continously helping me out. If it wasn't for him then i'd still be a scrawny toothpick. You eventually build a trust thing, especailly since lots of buddies at the gym have talked with him for the last 3 years on other sites. He knows his stuff and he really loved to help people. After continously getting help and advice and motivation for a long time then you start to believe that this guy is for real. Heck, everything pointed that this guy was the MAN and you wouldn't even possibly think that this guy was a fraud. He was the best mod at bodybuilding.com.

[johnnyironboard]

The Next Person That Takes My Thread Off Topic Is Getting Bouncers The Hell Out Of Here
note "My Thread"- starting to get a little angry....

[philly123]

Western Union? That should have sounded the alarm.

well I didn't know any better chief...plus I thought I could trust the guy

[johnnyironboard]

Hey shot, tried talking to you on AIM but you've been busy...

notice this post was "edited by shot" I wonder what he deleted....

[RetiredMod]

Ok...in light of custom diets/routines all being the same fcking post whatever you want if you have info that might help bring this stuff to light (keep personal info names/phone #s out of it for now...)

SHOT brought me in a mod here, and helped me into this game...if you think you feel betrayed talking to him for a few weeks think of how the mods feel when we've known him for years...we are all in this together, and we will stand by our members if a mod has done them wrong

I hope SHOT comes on here and makes good on all the money he owes people and "info"....but even with that he still cheated people by giving everyone the same "custom" diet...that in itself is scamming...so feel free to post like I said, I'm not banning anyone over this ****, he made his own mess he can clean it up

[johnnyironboard]

I have you on my list but forget which name is yours bro LOL...but i havnt been on aol much the past few days because i been busy. we will talk about the details today on AIM or PM>>>not in the thread

bait and switch?

[johnnyironboard]

SHOT

Clear out your PM's!

a little desperation setting in??

[tek.]

my mind changed from innocent to guilty when i read his started selling igf-1 on the 1st of december, dissapeared here "to attend to the family" on the 28th of november and last login on ssb was around mid december. his avoiding the board cause he knows everyones asking questions while still cashing in on other boards it should be posted everywhere that ppl at least DONT do any buisness with him for now.

[Haplochrom]

i cant complain about him, but i havent been here as long as yall. i just would not have seen this coming. he was really helpful to me. tis a shame. it reminds me of the seinfeld episode where the mom and pop store is closed and jerry's shoes are lost. kramer thinks that it was a scam. Jerry replies, "So. Mom and Pop's plan was to move into the neighborhood...establish trust...for 48 years. And then, run off with Jerry's sneakers." Thats the way that i feal this is going down. he has his reputation to lose. and if he makes money this way, then thats huge. lets let this play out and hold off for a while. Yall were more patient with IBE than SHOT.

[fastEd]

Ok...in light of custom diets/routines all being the same fcking post whatever you want if you have info that might help bring this stuff to light (keep personal info names/phone #s out of it for now...)

SHOT brought me in a mod here, and helped me into this game...if you think you feel betrayed talking to him for a few weeks think of how the mods feel when we've known him for years...we are all in this together, and we will stand by our members if a mod has done them wrong

I hope SHOT comes on here and makes good on all the money he owes people and "info"....but even with that he still cheated people by giving everyone the same "custom" diet...that in itself is scamming...so feel free to post like I said, I'm not banning anyone over this ****, he made his own mess he can clean it up

McBain it's nice to hear that because if this stuff is true bb.com looks REAL bad. I think for some it's alot more than $1000 worth of "info" they're pissed about. I bet everyone is just to scared to say it in depth.

[RetiredMod]

Not saying this is the case in this situation....I really hope it's not but peple with good reps DO god bad, hopefully this is not the case with SHOT but look at BigKev....he was on boards about as long as SHOT...mod on many boards then scammed for about 20-30k and dissappeared...next time he popped up was in a news article about his demise (suicide after shoot-out with a cop)....scammers get their due eventually

Like I said I hope SHOT isnt pulling a BigKev but don't assume lots of years on these boards means someone wont scam....people turn scammer at any time


As mods right now we are just as shocked as the members I want to make this very clear....we didnt post on it right away because we are in such shock because we've known SHOT for so long and you always give a friend the benefit of the doubt, but like I said in light of the custom diets all being the same thats a scam either way, all SHOT can do now is hopefully return the money he owes people to avoid further complications

[6ft8monster]

wow...guess i am out 150 bucks...plus the 25 it cost me to send the money. I am gonna wait to see what happens to...not like I have much choice considering were on the internet. This really blows man thats all I gotta say...and honestyl, I cant belive this dude was posting on another board selling IGF kits on the first when I've eben waiting for a base diet for a month. I never got ****, and 175 dollars is a lot of money to a college student


well scroll up philly123 there is the diet and workout you never got

[epote]

but even with that he still cheated people by giving everyone the same "custom" diet

though, i have to say, a custom diet, cannot begin as custom, ya know? It gets that way, in due time with proper modifications to fit the individual, and even then it would probably look similar if not identical to one another for obvious reasons.

Anyway, dont any of the mods here have ANY other form of communication with each other?

[Halfroman]

Exactly FastEd, which reminds me I'll shoot you that PM now. And Johnny... you don't have to point out every suspiscious mistake he made, they are evident to all who have read through this thread. perhaps if you could compile them into a single post that would be more effective, instead of little quotes trailing along page after page. More visually effective, for sure.

McBain... If this is beyond your juridiction to say or if you'd simply rather not, can you confirm SHOT was an NPC competitor? Or the man in his pictures?

And it's good to see the mods looking out for the welfare of the community. I fear the $ lost will continue to grow to disgustingly epic proportions...

[tek.]

SHOT but look at BigKev....he was on boards about as long as SHOT...mod on many boards then scammed for about 20-30k and dissappeared...next time he popped up was in a news article about his demise (suicide after shoot-out with a cop)....scammers get their due eventually

Yeah karma is a mother****er

[fastEd]

Not saying this is the case in this situation....I really hope it's not but peple with good reps DO god bad, hopefully this is not the case with SHOT but look at BigKev....he was on boards about as long as SHOT...mod on many boards then scammed for about 20-30k and dissappeared...next time he popped up was in a news article about his demise (suicide after shoot-out with a cop)....scammers get their due eventually

Like I said I hope SHOT isnt pulling a BigKev but don't assume lots of years on these boards means someone wont scam....people turn scammer at any time


As mods right now we are just as shocked as the members I want to make this very clear....we didnt post on it right away because we are in such shock because we've known SHOT for so long and you always give a friend the benefit of the doubt, but like I said in light of the custom diets all being the same thats a scam either way, all SHOT can do now is hopefully return the money he owes people to avoid further complications

I hear you man.......... Part of me still wants to believe he will pop back in and make good on everything, but sometimes people start with good intentions and then when they get sick of whatever they're doing they "get the score and hit the door" if he decided he was done with this stage of his life.............. who knows............. we'll have to see.

Like I keep saying GOD, Karma, and SHOT know the truth.

[epote]

so, how many of us wait for the limited "stuff" you paid? I know im one...

[blackdream71]

SHOT a scammer? who woulda thunk it..... (sarcasm)

[johnnyironboard]

I thought he owned an import/export biz and was engaged to a physician??
I stand corrected
From a previous SHOT post:


""are they going to help me in the work world? well lets see...i built whats prob the biggest and one of the best import performance shops on the east coast.....which brings in alot of bank...not to brag....


mean while i am a 22 year old "kid" who is walking out of the mall with a fly ass girlfriend who is a doc. and getting into a 60k esclade hahahaha""

[tek.]

so what boards was he selling **** on? just ssb and here? im sure if hes really turned he would of used his rep to bank more then a few k