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amusclehead
09-09-2002, 01:15 PM
Heh, this is going to get moved again i sense, but hey, as long as it's hear, please give me your feedback and tell me what you think :)
(only wrote it because my dvd burner is taking a while to burn, and i don't have anything else to do now, heh)

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Well, let’s get down and dirty and start learning, shall we.

General background

The number one mistake most people make when they start training is that they feel the only way to get a bigger arm measurement is to have bigger biceps. WRONG! Biceps only count for 1/3 of total arm size. Triceps are where the meat is, weighing in around 2/3 of total size. It’s a shame that people who don’t lift are able to influence those that do. For example, when you flex chances are a non-lifter will say ‘WOW! Huge biceps.’ Not, ‘wow, you’ve got some nice tricep development going on’, and thus overtime you’re almost taught that to get big arms you have to hit your biceps heavily. That’s true, but only for a certain extent- you can’t forget about triceps.
Also, don’t forget that you yourself have to be carrying around some size in order to have big arms. What I mean by this is you can’t expect to have 18’’ arms and weigh only 120pds. So if you’re sitting there at 130pds and wanting 20’’ arms, it isn’t going to happen. You have to bulk up first.
Now, for the rest of the article, I’m going to assume that you already knew this, and are here for bicep pointers.

It’s all genetic

There’s nothing you can do to change the dimensions of your bicep. You don’t like its height, peak, shape, length, etc.., TOO BAD. That’s set for life, unless you want to try some plastic surgery. All you can do is make the muscle itself bigger, not longer or higher. That really annoys me when I see people doing concentration curls saying ‘A few months of these babies and I’ll add some peak to my biceps’. If you don’t have a peak by now, you never will, simple as that. There is no magic exercise that will give it to you, sorry to say.

The training

There’s no point me sitting here and saying ‘Do X sets and X reps for biceps’. Everybody responds to training differently; however, you want to keep in mind that some set guidelines still apply. Biceps are a small muscle and don’t need 16sets to be hit. 5-7sets, imo, is perfect. Some people prefer only doing 3-4, but I’ve found, atleast for myself, 5-7 is great. Experiment and see how many you like to do. Also, make sure to lift for less than 55minutes, but if you’re going over 55minutes with bicep training, then you’re probably doing way too many sets. For myself, i tend to spend 30-35minutes on biceps a week, max. Remember, the bicep itself is a VERY small muscle. It doesn't need a lot of work to exhaust itself

As for reps, once again everybody has their preference. Mine is the 4-6range. Maybe you will prefer the 6-8range. Once again, experiment and see what works. What will NOT work though is doing like 10+reps. People who do that seem to think that it’ll help define their biceps. Common mistake. It won’t! The only way to get good definition is to diet and do cardio and drop the body fat. Doing 10+reps will only build your endurance, and do very little for hypertrophy or strength gains.

The exercises

There are literally hundreds of exercises you can do to work the biceps. To be honest, I think I’ve done them all at one point or another, thinking that there was some super exercise out there that would encourage insane growth. Well, the one thing I learned is that there isn’t- growth is all about proper training and giving it time, not super secret bicep exercises. Here’s a list of some that I’ve found quite helpful, and others I don’t like at all.

BB curl- The meat of any bicep routine. A must have

DB curl- Can be done seated or standing. A great exercise. However, to gain the most out of it you want to use a palms-facing forward grip. Most people when they curl, at the bottom of the rep their palms are facing sideways(and thus facing eachother). WRONG! Well, not wrong, but not the best for optimal gains. Have the palms-facing forward at the bottom of the rep. This places more stress on the bicep.

Back to wall curls- Done with the back against a solid surface. Waste of time, imo. It’s easier to just stand up and focus on keeping good form rather than forcing it on. Besides, eventually you’ll start cheating and using the wall to help you lift. It’s easier to just stand and do it properly.

Preacher curls- I like them, some don’t. Try them and see what you think.

Concentration curls/kung-fu curls/XXXX curls- Completely useless. There are way better exercises out there, and make these unnecessary. All of these claim to be able to either add a better peak to your biceps, help elongate them, etc…-> COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME. Dimensions are determined by genetics, not by any exercises you do

Hammer curls- I like them. A great way to finish off a program. Hits the forearms and biceps.

Zottman curls- I don’t understand why people would do these. Stay away from them. It is NOT naturally to twist your wrist and forearm at the top of the movement like that. I injured myself doing them once, and would stay far, far away from them if I were you. Sure, you can do them with light weights, but why bother. You won’t be training for hypertrophy then.

Zane curls- I use these to finish off my workout. Basically it’s a standing db curl, except at the top of the rep, you squeeze the bicep for 5seconds, REALLY hard. I mean, give it all you have in that squeeze. If done properly, when you finish 1 set of these you won’t want to do anymore. The squeeze is the important part of this exercise. If you use hold the weight up, don’t waste your time with it. However, if you flex and squeeze that bicep for all it’s worth, I think this is a great way to end it(with 1 set).

21s- WASTE OF TIME! Period. If anything, these would train the biceps for endurance, not strength or size. Only 2/3 of the actual movement is useful(see below). Most people who do these like them because, well, they can lift a lot(reps). BIG MISTAKE! This goes against quality over quantity training. Maybe as a shock routine once in a blue moon, but regularly these would totally defeat the purpose of hypertrophy. If you want size and strength, stay far away from these

Form schmorm

I always find it humerous when people ask how much I db curl and I say 57.5pd dbs…and they look at me, look at my 18’’ arms, and say ‘WTF? I curl 70pders and have 13’’ arms’. Biceps respond to heavy weight, yes, that is true. HOWEVER, biceps do NOT respond to heavy weight and poor form. There’s 2 cases of bad form.

1) Swinging the weight. If you’re arching your back, bending your knees and throwing the weight up, stop. This will not give you any growth. Most people call these ‘cheat curls’, and claim they’re far superior to regular bicep curls because they let you move more weight. Yea, good for you, you’re moving more weight, except now the stress is being placed on the knees, back, forearms, shoulder, everywhere but the bicep. At the end of a set, it’s okay to do a cheat rep or two, however, to base your whole program around it is wrong. Watch your form in the mirror. If you’re cheating, lower the weight and try again.

2) Lifting the elbows. This is rather hard to detect and stop because it happens unconsciously. Ideally you’d like your elbow to be glued to your side; however, unless you’re lifting 10pds, this isn’t going to happen. The elbow will naturally lift a bit and move forward. This is fine. However, it is not fine let it move a huge distance. If you’re doing this, then you’re using momentum to lift. Also, when you let the elbows move a great distance, the stress is taken off the bicep and placed on the forearm and anterior deltoid. Lower the weight and focus on keeping the elbows as still and in place as much as possible, but accepting that a bit of movement is natural.

Half curls OWN you :rolleyes:

I love this one. People only do the upper part of the curl because they think it places more stress on the bicep. WRONG! Most of the benefit of the exercise comes from the time your arms are hanging down holding the weight, until the point where the forearms are just slightly past parallel. A small bit of benefit comes from finishing the movement(the end ‘curling’ part). It’s a common mistake to believe that this end part is more important, mainly because it’s during here that the biceps appear the largest(because they’re contracted and flexed). Well, that’s wrong. As said above, most benefit comes from the beginning half of the rep, when they’re lifting the weight up. Am I saying only do the first half- no. Do the complete movement. I’m just telling you where most of the benefit occurs, so you don’t sit there don’t upper half curls(I used to do that and made absolutely no progress).

GENERAL TIPS ON NEXT PAGE BECAUSE THE WORD LIMIT CUT ME OFF :p

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 01:16 PM
General tips

1) Proper form + heavy weight = bicep growth. This is no secret. Unfortunately, people usually forget the first part. When you cheat, you take the stress off the bicep and place it on the forearm and anterior deltoid(and other parts as well). Great, you’re curling 200pds, but your biceps aren’t growing.

2) Lose the ego when curling. 99% of the people I see lifting are ego lifters. That’s bad, especially with biceps. Lose the ego. So you can only curl 40pd dbs. If that is with 100% proper form, then you’re going to make more progress than the dude over there lifting 70pders and arching his back.

3) Biceps don’t grow overnight. There are no special exercises for them. Stick with the basics and give it time. You will not have 18’’ arms overnight. Hell, took me 5years, but that’s with 3years of poor training added in their. I guarantee you that with 2-3years of great training, anything is possible

4) Quality training over quantity training. As with any muscle, it’s better to do a few sets than many sets. In this game, especially with regard to biceps since they’re such a small muscle, less is more. Don’t sit there thinking 21s will work because you get to do three times as much curling action. That’s falling into the mistake of more is less.

5) Avoid non-standard exercises. Biceps are not rocket science. There’s only a few simple movements you have to know to do them. If somebody offers you a new exercise that is guaranteed to work them like nothing you’ve ever done before, be very, very leery. It’s usually best to stick with the basics.

6) Try a thumbless grip when dumbbell curling. It’s awkward at first, but I found that once I mastered it, I was able to add 2.5pds. onto my db curls. Also, a thumbless grip makes it slightly harder to cheat and lift the elbows.

7) Visualize the weight being at your elbow. I found that this simple trick allowed me to keep better form and lift more. Infact, for any exercise, if your goal is hypertrophy, visualize the weight being at the elbow.

8) Lift hard and train smart and you’ll make gains in no time. Good luck.

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 01:57 PM
:mad: :o :) :D

kappa
09-09-2002, 02:16 PM
very informative article.good work musclehead
newbies would learn a lot from this,i myself should no i always used to cheat trying to add the extra pounds while swinging like a idiot.
proper form is the key to bicep development.

modestmuscle
09-09-2002, 02:54 PM
Good article buddy. Concentration curls are useless? I'll give it to you that peak's are genetic. But there has to be some kind of value to concentration curls?

Nice job.

~MODEST

streakfront
09-09-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by modestmuscle
Good article buddy. Concentration curls are useless? I'll give it to you that peak's are genetic. But there has to be some kind of value to concentration curls?

Nice job.

~MODEST

concentration curls very valuable

modestmuscle
09-09-2002, 03:10 PM
Great streakfront, that's nice. But if you would have taken time to read his article he states that they are completely useless.

Thanks anyway kid. :ROLLEYES:


~MODEST

SUPERM4N
09-09-2002, 03:20 PM
Its a nice article, however you are throwing many accusations without an ounce of proof to support them. This advice is based on your own personal experimentations, concentration curls, 21s may however work for other people.

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 03:23 PM
Well, every single time i read a description of concentration curls, whereever it may be, the sole reason they mention them is to add peak to your bicep. Im-friggin-possible. Peak is 110% genetic. Therefore, there's no real reason to use them. Sure, they can give you gains(in terms of muscles), but when you lift you want to maximize your time. You want to pick exercises that are the MOST effective, and do them. BB curl, preacher curl, hammer curl, db curl, are all more effective than that. I mean, sure, you can do them, but, imho, you'd be wasting your time.

btw, i'm not saying that con. curls, 21s, etc.. don't work, i'm just saying that given you want to maximize time and benefits, there are FAR better exercises out there that will give you MUCH better gains, and, from personal experience, you have to come down strong on 'bad' things. What I mean by this is say I say 'well, 21s are okay, but not the best out there'. Then people who are doing them will say 'Oh, okay, they're okay, so i'm going to keep doing them'. However, if you come down strong and say 'they suck', then hopefully they'll re-think doing them.


Like I said, my training has been all over the map, literally. I can attest, from personal experience, that sticking with the basics is the best. Fancy-smancy stuff like conc. curls, etc.. did very little for me. I"ve been much happier just sticking with the basics :)

Mingo
09-09-2002, 03:28 PM
Concentration Curls useless? They probably have the best range of motion of any bicep exersize if performed correctly, and are not ALWAYS projected to add peak.

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Mingo
Concentration Curls useless? They probably have the best range of motion of any bicep exersize if performed correctly, and are not ALWAYS projected to add peak.


Hmmmm, how do they have a better range of motion tha, say, regular db curls. Regular you're standing up, and curl the weight up. Con. you're leaning over, elbow against thigh and curl, no change in motion, other than it's easier to cheat and more awkward to do with ehavier weights

Cloud
09-09-2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by modestmuscle
Good article buddy. Concentration curls are useless? I'll give it to you that peak's are genetic. But there has to be some kind of value to concentration curls?

Nice job.

~MODEST

Actually concentration curls done right can be better then db curls.


Cloud

Cloud
09-09-2002, 03:39 PM
They do give the better range of motion...u mentioned 2/3 of the stress in the range is made going from down to half way up. Thats explains it. While doing concentration curl, that range expands to almost whole motion therefore making itself a better workout..id almost agree that they are the best biceps exercise but im still a bb-curl fan =)

Oh forgot to mention the biggest plus for concentration curl. IT TOTALLY LOCKS YOUR ELBOW, its the only exercise beside preachers do to that...DO THEM!

Rest of the artice is kewl, keep it goin.

Cloud

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 04:21 PM
well, that's the advantage of the internet- everybody is allowed their own opinion :)

I just expressed mine, not forcing you to agree with me. infact, i encourage you to prove me wrong. hey, maybe they are good for something, i don't know, but from my experience they arn't. i'm always willing to learn if i'm wrong :)

mide
09-09-2002, 04:25 PM
amusclehead...great article..
are u gonna write any other articles about diff parts as well...if u are..mite i suggest..triceps..cause i'm having a hard time w/ them =)

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by mide
amusclehead...great article..
are u gonna write any other articles about diff parts as well...if u are..mite i suggest..triceps..cause i'm having a hard time w/ them =)

haha, maybe :)
i've got a lot of dvd's to burn now that i've got my writer installed, so we shall see :D

btw, incase you want another good read, try my upper back article if you havn't:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56729

Kane Fan
09-09-2002, 04:28 PM
yeah I think concentration curls help my biceps a lot

also I'm not sure what you mean when you say you can't affect bicep peak
do you mean how high the bicep goes?
cus if you lift weight and your bicep gets bigger it gets a bigger peak to right
?
so what did you mean

ZachG_85
09-09-2002, 04:35 PM
DB curl- Can be done seated or standing. A great exercise. However, to gain the most out of it you want to use a palms-facing forward grip. Most people when they curl, at the bottom of the rep their palms are facing sideways(and thus facing eachother). WRONG! Well, not wrong, but not the best for optimal gains. Have the palms-facing forward at the bottom of the rep. This places more stress on the bicep.

HUGE f'ckin bump on that. It's such a small point to DB curls, but so few people realize it.

Also, high-pulley cable curls are the only time I've ever gotten a really deep pump in my bis. Hard on my shoulder, though.

healthy n_fit
09-09-2002, 04:58 PM
Amusclehead you've done it again. AWESOME article. Any more? :D

healthy n_fit
09-09-2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by ZachG_85
DB curl- Can be done seated or standing. A great exercise. However, to gain the most out of it you want to use a palms-facing forward grip. Most people when they curl, at the bottom of the rep their palms are facing sideways(and thus facing eachother). WRONG! Well, not wrong, but not the best for optimal gains. Have the palms-facing forward at the bottom of the rep. This places more stress on the bicep.

HUGE f'ckin bump on that. It's such a small point to DB curls, but so few people realize it.

Also, high-pulley cable curls are the only time I've ever gotten a really deep pump in my bis. Hard on my shoulder, though.


High pulley cable curls? How do you do those?

ZachG_85
09-09-2002, 05:06 PM
Put the same hand-hooks on the high pulley that you would use if doing cable crossovers. Stand facing forward (again like doing a cable crossover), holding your arm straight out to your side. If you can reach, support yourself by holding on to the bar along the top with your other arm. Now just curl your arm as though you would be flexing it for somebody. It's tough to get used to, but works better than anything else I've used for getting that feeling deep in the muscle belly.

X_DS~Grrrr...
09-09-2002, 05:19 PM
nice article but IMO i think its harder to cheat on concentration curls (i think u said it was easier) i think this is because your elbow is against your knee. Oh well some good points and definately could answer some questions of other teens.

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Kane Fan
yeah I think concentration curls help my biceps a lot

also I'm not sure what you mean when you say you can't affect bicep peak
do you mean how high the bicep goes?
cus if you lift weight and your bicep gets bigger it gets a bigger peak to right
?
so what did you mean

Not really, by peak I mean how high up the bicep itself goes. As you lift more and more, yes, your bicep gets bigger and expands, however, how high the top most portion of it goes is determined by genetics.
For example, some ppl's bicep might go like this:


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/ \
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while others go like this:

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/ \
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notice how the 1st one peaks higher, that's what I mean. It's kinda hard to explain, but although you can make the bicep itself bigger and more massive, you can't change how long is it, or how the point at which the peak goes to(how high up the peak occurs). Hope that helped

streakfront
09-09-2002, 05:31 PM
no flames

bigkid
09-09-2002, 05:32 PM
Good article, but i still like 8-10 reps for bis. The low reps seem to stress the joints and tendons more than the actual muscle.

ZachG_85
09-09-2002, 05:33 PM
Think about this: is the bicep more rounded or does it come to almost a point up top? This is peak.

streakfront
09-09-2002, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by amusclehead


Not really, by peak I mean how high up the bicep itself goes. As you lift more and more, yes, your bicep gets bigger and expands, however, how high the top most portion of it goes is determined by genetics.
For example, some ppl's bicep might go like this:


-----
/ \
/ \
- ---

while others go like this:

--
/ \
- -

notice how the 1st one peaks higher, that's what I mean. It's kinda hard to explain, but although you can make the bicep itself bigger and more massive, you can't change how long is it, or how the point at which the peak goes to(how high up the peak occurs). Hope that helped

Why don't u post a pick and show us. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Jay
09-09-2002, 05:35 PM
Yo, don't mean to be a big bad person. But next time its gonna be deleted, ya know it belongs in the article section.

Enough with the flaming guys.

Great Article


Jay

ZachG_85
09-09-2002, 05:38 PM
Hey I'm not flaming, it's a great article :D

amusclehead
09-09-2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by ZachG_85
Think about this: is the bicep more rounded or does it come to almost a point up top? This is peak.


that's a much better explanation than mine :)

Originally posted by bigkid
Good article, but i still like 8-10 reps for bis. The low reps seem to stress the joints and tendons more than the actual muscle.

well, i stlil like 4-6reps myself, but hey, everybody is different :)

modestmuscle
09-09-2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by streakfront


I am hoping u r joking. Otherwise it really is very, very sad.
I don't give a flying **** what he states in his article, I do them and they work damn well.

U might want to take your retarded ass back through this thread and read the ten other posts saying that concentration curls work well.


Listen kid,

amusclehead's article states

"Concentration curls are Completely useless. There are way better exercises out there, and make these unnecessary. All of these claim to be able to either add a better peak to your biceps, help elongate them, etc…-> COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME. Dimensions are determined by genetics, not by any exercises you do "

I simply asked him to further prove why they were useless. You go ahead and say that they were valuable. Who the hell made you an authority, B!TCH! I wasn't talking to you in the first place.

You say "U might want to take your retarded ass back through this thread and read the ten other posts saying that concentration curls work well." How could I have gone through and looked at the other posts saying that they work well when my original post was before any of the others??

You probably wouldn't understand the above as you are a complete moron and probably have some sort of inferiority complex.

Get real kid, and start adding some muscle to your scrawny bony body.

~MODEST

MrB
09-10-2002, 09:13 AM
The advantage that concentration curls have over the other curls is that they are the only one that has resistance in the "contracted position".

In standing curls, the bulk of the resistance at the top of the movement is transferred to the shoulders/upper back ... with the concentration curl, all of the reisstance is being supported by the biceps in the contracted position.

But, based on what I see from people that do concentration curls, this is nullified because they don't pause and contract the bicep at the top. They just swing it all over the place so they can use db's that are 15-20 pounds heavier than ones they can handle if they did it strict and proper.

when it comes to arms, you need to add overall bodyweight. Somewhere around 10-20 pound gain in bodyweight leads to about an inch of arm growth ... which most is tricep. So, it's more beneficial for someone to do exercises that use the most muscle groups like Rows, chins, squats, presses, etc to add BW and do just a few sets of direct arm work for localized stimulation.

People spend too much time worrying about stretch, isolation, contraction, etc and not enough time on getting big (i.e., adding muscle).

Nobody gains 5 pounds and adds it all to their arms.

Back to concentration curls ... sure they have a purpose, but the resistance involved, even though it's an isolation exercise, is still not as much as with barbell curls or alternate db curls where you supinate the wrist. Think of it like this ... would you rather have 60% of $100 or 80% of $50?

You get more isolated reisstance with concentration curls, but overall, you'll get more resistance (which is what builds muscle) with babrell curls, even though other muscle groups are involved in lifting it.

You guys had the right answer, just the wrong logic behind it.

MrB
09-10-2002, 09:26 AM
I typed a response that disappeared, so here's a shorter, more-to-the-point response.

You guys are wrong about the value of concentration curls. Their advantage is that they are the only bicep exercise (except for hanging spider curls) that has the resistance in the contracted position. This is nullified, however, by the sloppy way most do concentration curls ... using body sway and swinging momentum to use DB's that are 10-20 lbs more than they should use.

But compared to the overall resistance (i.e. poundage) that is supplied by the standard barbell curl, the effectiveness of CCurls is nil.

Think of it like this ... would you rather have 60% of $100 or 80% of $50? That's basically what BB Curls vs. Conc. Curls comes down to.

In order to concentration curls correctly (i.e., effectively) you need to use slow reps (minimizing moemntum) and hold the contraction for a coupla seconds at the top. Even still, this exericse is not as effective as standing barbell curls or alternate dumbell curls (provided they are done strictly) ... some would argue that heavy cheat curls using a barbell or more effective than strict concentration curls.

Bottom line: to add arm size you have to add overall BW. You won't gain 5 pounds and have it all go to your arms, just as you won't gain 20 pounds and have none of it go on your arms. Your body grows as a system, not as individual bodyparts. Use the big basic exercises to gain overall body weight, throw in some direct arm work to slightly increase the % that goes to your arms. You'll likely have to add 10-20 pounds of BW to add an inch to your arms ... depending on body structure.

Aker
09-10-2002, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by amusclehead


It’s all genetic

There’s nothing you can do to change the dimensions of your bicep. You don’t like its height, peak, shape, length, etc.., TOO BAD. That’s set for life, unless you want to try some plastic surgery. All you can do is make the muscle itself bigger, not longer or higher. That really annoys me when I see people doing concentration curls saying ‘A few months of these babies and I’ll add some peak to my biceps’. If you don’t have a peak by now, you never will, simple as that. There is no magic exercise that will give it to you, sorry to say.

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Thats not 100% true. Lets say you really bulked up and you built a ****load of muscle on your biceps, and you kinda bulky and also had some fat. Your "peak" will be kinda flat until you cut and it actually looks like a peak. Its true tho that any exercises wont really change your peak tho.

Easygainer
09-13-2002, 12:18 PM
i'll agree with the body of the article but there was one fatal flaw - u didnt mention the single most important biceps compund movement the chin up! yes the straight forward chin where you have your wrists facing u is an incredible compound movement for those guns.

secondly i think u should strongly recommend drop sets on the bi's. while it is a matter of choice etc everyone's different sort of crap i think drop sets are great for getting the pump. as arnold said it feels like air is being injected into your arms, like your skin is going to explode! it was either draper or becker wrote on this site one quick warm up set followed by: one set 6-10 reps strict form to failure on bb curls then IMMEDIATELY halve the weight and grind out what u can to absolute failure. this is the most miserably painful thing for your biceps and if done right one set should be enough - the ultimate for ppl like me who find it hard to feel the pump on the bis just lifting wig weights.

other than that props for the article - btw preacher curls are excellent for the insertions of the muscle near the elbow for ppl who feel that area is underdeveloped.

ZachG_85
09-17-2002, 01:23 PM
Chins work the biceps in the same way that bench presses work the triceps. Yes it's a part of it, but not the main muscle.

Although drop sets are good. So are supersets. But all these things are personal, I like to either use single sets or quick pyramiding for my biceps.

amusclehead
09-20-2002, 03:17 PM
take a thumbless grip on chins to remove biceps from the equation(to a certain degree) and hit the lats more(see my back article :) )

CreatineMan
10-04-2002, 01:46 PM
great article, one of the best that ive read

Slim_DaDDy
10-11-2002, 05:59 AM
what about Incline seated dumbell curls?(I think thats what theyre called) Basically just dumbell curls done on an incline bench. Is this a good excercise or is it no different than standard seated dumbell curls?

guitarguy
10-13-2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by amusclehead
There’s nothing you can do to change the dimensions of your bicep.

Usually if someone wants to add some inches to their bicep, they will start lifting weights. That's usually how we do it here anyways...

guitarguy
10-13-2002, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by MrB

In standing curls, the bulk of the resistance at the top of the movement is transferred to the shoulders/upper back ... with the concentration curl, all of the reisstance is being supported by the biceps in the contracted position.

Not really. If you use correct form on the barbell curl you will feel equal resistant throughout the entire range of motion.

halfbeast
11-08-2002, 07:48 AM
actually growing your biceps only depends on your shoe-label.

go and try!

Arniefan
11-12-2002, 06:40 PM
looks real good

yon3x
12-25-2002, 06:48 PM
cute, but i do believe concentration cruls are not useless. if ur working ur abs good u should feel it, if ur working ur shoulders good u should feel it, if ur working ur legs good u should feel it, if ur working ur arms goood........... u should feel it! (and u do using the concentration form)

CreatineMan
12-28-2002, 04:09 PM
just because u feel it, doesnt mean u are accomplishing anything

ZachG_85
12-29-2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by CreatineMan
just because u feel it, doesnt mean u are accomplishing anything

I'm inclined to disagree here. If you're doing a pullup and don't feel your back working, chances are it isn't. Likewise if you're curling and don't feel it in your bicep, chances are it's not working for ya.

~jAmeZ~
01-23-2003, 07:40 PM
This post is not directed at amusclehead or anyone in particular....it's just about an observation that has some relevance here.

It annoys me a little how posts like "build big biceps" and "get a mammoth chest" get thousands of views and about 100 replies each, while other posts about "great quad builders" etc get a fraction of the attention.

The obsession about developing the biceps and the chest in particular never ceases to amaze me.

The funny thing is, the more ppl obsess about having big biceps etc, the further away they are going to be from actually achieving them.

If anyone really wants the secret of big biceps, here it is: TREAT THEM LIKE ANY OTHER BODYPART. THE ONLY THING BUILT BY OBSESSION IS WEAKNESS.

Only bodybuilders have big biceps. Bicepbuilders just get laughed at every time they walk into the gym.

RAEKWON201
02-18-2003, 09:35 PM
nice biceps article.one of the best ones ive read in a long time.

Irongainer
02-20-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by ZachG_85
I'm inclined to disagree here. If you're doing a pullup and don't feel your back working, chances are it isn't. Likewise if you're curling and don't feel it in your bicep, chances are it's not working for ya.

Major bump here...And vise versa as well...If you do feel your arms getting really worked out, chances are they are...Like right now, I am working out my bi's and I can hardly type due to it...and everytime, I can SEE the actual size(girth) of my arm increase due to pump...When I'm done, this is my signal to go downstairs and load up on protein/carbs and good food...

costasoldatos
04-04-2003, 09:05 AM
I read up to the training portinon, You stated that your not going to tell everyone how much to use, sets, reps etc... then immediately go on to state that 5-7 sets is perfect that 16 sets is to much, which is it. Just curious

Happy Building
04-06-2003, 03:52 AM
This Article needs science/ sources to back up, e.g. for "It’s all genetic".

AMG
04-26-2003, 01:25 AM
Good read bro. :D

But Con Curls treat me good. Always have. Nothing like nice slow reps with a 70lbs dumbell. :D

Quinner
04-29-2003, 07:23 AM
Alright, I agree with you about the number of reps. Your bicepts are fast twitch muscle fibers, and thus respond better to lower reps with heaver weight, but correct form is an important aspect here, as you pointed out.

Also, gaining muscle is not a natural thing for our bodies, so our bodies will adapt as little as possible to get the job done. For this reason, you should always go beyond failure with your workouts, taking full advantage of drop-sets and super-sets, and always try to get that extra rep in!!! Only one exercise for a muscle or muscle group dosn't work well. My bicept workout right now consists of 35's with a drop-set of 30's for around 8 reps and three sets on db curls, with a superset of preacher curls for also three sets. Also, change around your wkout every other week or so, so you muscles don't get used to that exercise. Keep your body guessing!!

Due to lack of time, thats all I've got for ya.

Michael Murphy
05-04-2003, 04:40 AM
er u spelt 'bicept' wrong there dumbass its 'bicept' not 'bicep' LOL

Sonny
05-10-2003, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Slim_DaDDy
what about Incline seated dumbell curls?(I think thats what theyre called) Basically just dumbell curls done on an incline bench. Is this a good excercise or is it no different than standard seated dumbell curls?

Incline dumbell curls stretch the biceps more than regular seated dumbell curls! I consider them one of the best exercises for the biceps along with barbell curls.

Jacked2zBone
05-11-2003, 02:47 PM
its not just the spelling, but so much misinformation should not be posted, I guess the kid wanted some attention

novax
05-21-2003, 08:54 AM
Everything I ever read, states that compound movements are always more effective than isolation movements. This is suppose to be true for every muscle. I think doing concentration curls are useless but at the same time, I never did them before so I dont know for sure. Again, alot of scientific articles I've read says that isolation movements do not build mass like flys, cable cross over, ect. The only way to build muscle is overload.