Pro's and Con's of milk......

[juanca]

I would like to hear some of your thoughts on this........

i am going to get things started here, hopefully, the brighter members will add to this.

from what ive been told, Dairy is not easily digested by the body, so the lactose in it isnt broken down, but is allmost directly or most of time stored as fat.

This, for any BB'er for hopefully, APPARENT reasons, is not good.

That is my stand on milk, i do enjoy it personally, but i limit it.

JC

[IGF]

I drink no milk

Whey/Oats/Water/Natural PB(or Flax) > milk in all ways.

[notsobuilt]

i drink a decent amount of milk.. i love it....

[BPP]

I would like to hear some of your thoughts on this........

i am going to get things started here, hopefully, the brighter members will add to this.

from what ive been told, Dairy is not easily digested by the body, so the lactose in it isnt broken down, but is allmost directly or most of time stored as fat.

This, for any BB'er for hopefully, APPARENT reasons, is not good.

That is my stand on milk, i do enjoy it personally, but i limit it.

JC

cows milk simply isnt made for human digestion IMO, thats why SO many people are allergic. i dont drink it, cant anymiore

[daveske]

wow.. sometimes i drink like 2 litres of it a day..
i love milk.. I know dairy isnt the greatest sources of protein but i cant get enough of milk..

well i guess im gonna have to cut back on it a lil bit..

[suckmypump]

Drinking a liter of it a day and getting more ripped 8)
Good source of calories. Anyone who says otherwise is a buffoon.

[BluSilver]

Galactose, casein, whey-all anabolic
Milk fats-Very useful fats
Milk is aesome. Nature combined the best proteins, fats, and carbs for us. Sure you don't want galactose all day, but it can be very anabolic. The only problem with milk comes to those who have milk allergies.

[BluSilver]

from what ive been told, Dairy is not easily digested by the body, so the lactose in it isnt broken down, but is allmost directly or most of time stored as fat.
JC
Not true in the least unless you lack the lactase enzyme.

[BB is 4 life :)]

The sugar in milk is useful aswell,maltose,personally im still drinking at least 1-2 pints a day and im dieting,its helping me not hurting.

Its the calcium that you need from milk as it helps with fat loss,it helps the body mobilise stored fat that is normally the last thing to move and be used as a form of energy because the body needs to work to use it!!

Thats why people who dont eat enough when dieting lose alot of muscle,the body can use protein as energy far easier than fat,protein is the most efficient source of energy the human body can use.

[hepennypacker52]

Not true in the least unless you lack the lactase enzyme.

^^Yup.


I drink probably a little over 1/2 gallon a day of skim milk, and I haven't added .00001lb of fat in a month. And I've never had a problem with it ever in the past.

If you can drink it, drink it.

http://bodybuilding.com/fun/paul1.htm ;)

[keepemseparated]

I used to drink a gallon+ of milk a day, and nothing negative happened to me. Since then, though, I have started to eat more whole foods. ;)

KES

[TheHybrid]

Galactose, casein, whey-all anabolic
Milk fats-Very useful fats
Milk is aesome. Nature combined the best proteins, fats, and carbs for us. Sure you don't want galactose all day, but it can be very anabolic. The only problem with milk comes to those who have milk allergies.
wut he said... i only drink it for the casein protein really...

I'm also looking into buying some of the sugar free milk, mainly because I'm on a kinda cut stage.

[BB is 4 life :)]

Actually the amount of casein and whey protein found in milk that you get in the supermarket is pretty minimal as the whey protein is the first thing to be extracted from the milk in the processing factories when they purify it,it rises to the surface of the big tanks and they take it off.
They do the same thing with casein but there is more of this left in the milk you drink,this type of protein is much better for consuming before you go to bed,as you all know by now its slow release and feeds your muscle through the night.Preventing any catabolism that may take place whilst your off in slumberland.

[theend2]

i only drink milk for the casein.

[Cell-Tech]

For know, I pretty much agree with hepenny's stance on milk.

[BigNorwegian]

I dont hate milk, but I don't enjoy it as much as most people, therefore I never drink it.

I feel that if your looking to put on solid lean muscle, why not just have a shake with good ol' H2O rather than a glass of milk? Less fat, more protien, hey can't go wrong there. However if your looking to put on some serious mass quickly and don't mind a dirty bulk I think it's a great idea to drink milk.

For me, I don't think I will be drinking milk any time soon, not too mention the human body wasn't made to drink milk from cows. I have a good friend whos a nutrtionist who says though milk has great pros, it also has many cons. It often responds with the human digestive system in a negative way, some times we notice however many times we do not. I'll try and speak to him tonight and get more details, I can't quite remember what he exactaly said on the matter. As soon as I find out, I'll respost.


I may not be a fan of milk, but my favorite cheat dessert is heavy cream, strawberries and sugar sprinkled on top... *ohhhhh soooo goooooddddd* :D

EDIT: I spoke to my friend he said he believes that milk does the body good when drank every so often, but he recommends that it not to be drank more than 5 times a week. He feels that because of the hormones that are added for preserving purposes that it upsets the human digestive system. He also said, though it serves as a good source of vitamins and nutrients many of them have been added in and are not natural, such as the vitamin D.

[USMuscle9403]

I too used to be a big milk drinker. However, with a suggestion from a top contest prep guru I cut out dairy product intake and it made a big difference. I no longer get headaches for no apparent reason, my sinuses are much more clear, I don't feel as bloated, I saw more definition come in, and I feel better in general. This was also after replacing those lost calories with about the same number of calories and macro breakdown.

I am no longer a fan of milk.

[Big_League]

80 calores
8g protein
11g carbs
0g fat

120mg sodium
10% vitamin A
25% vitamin C
25% vitamin D
30% calcium

cheap and tasty (this is for 1 cup of skim milk)

'nuff said ;).

[n2d]

Tons of sugar...
Big insulin spike....
I drink some with my ppwo meal and in the morning.

[mindraper]

Good source for extra cals and to slow down the digestion of whey.

[BigNorwegian]

Tons of sugar...
Big insulin spike....
I drink some with my ppwo meal and in the morning.

I forgot about the insulin spike, thanks for reminding me. Milk makes it so you burn fat at a slower rate than normal once digested because your insulin is increased.

[keepemseparated]

Tons of sugar...
Big insulin spike....
I drink some with my ppwo meal and in the morning.
If it causes an insulin spike, then why do people drink it before bed? :confused:

KES

[heavylifter954]

ive been drinking about a quart of milk before i go to sleep and have noticed better gains then when drinking a whey shake...i love milk even though i dont care for the taste

[BigNorwegian]

If it causes an insulin spike, then why do people drink it before bed? :confused:

KES

I think it might be because it digests slower, correct me if I am wrong. T
hen again people who want to lose weight think that eating a potatoe before doing cardio will increase the rate at which they burn fat(complex carb=more energy), when in reality it is just the opposite.

[KhanPaulsen]

One of the few times you'll get studies out of me. So I'll be posting a few here in a few seconds.

[BluSilver]

Ha.....ha
Milk doesn't cause much of an insulin spike at all. Less than an apple or oatmeal. It's very anabolic AND anticatabolic. It also doesn't elicit a huge insulin spike. It won't blunt fat burning much at all. Fat burning is blunted when you eat ANYTHING-drinking milk will do no worse than anything else.

[KhanPaulsen]

The dairy debate: Does milk build stronger bones?


By Alice Lesch Kelly, Special to The Times

Bones need calcium. Doctors, dietitians and researchers agree on this point.

Conventional wisdom holds that dairy foods are the best source of calcium, and that American adults need to pump up their dairy intake to get the large amount of calcium their bodies need every day. Not everyone, however, believes the conventional wisdom.

Researchers are even raising questions about whether children need as much milk as guidelines recommend. A review article in the current issue of the journal Pediatrics concludes that there is "scant evidence" that increasing dairy intake is the right way to promote bone health in children.

Lately a small but highly respected band of scientists has been speaking out. They say Americans need less calcium than dietary guidelines recommend, and that drinking cup after cup of milk is not the best way to get it.

On one side are the federal government, the dairy industry and the majority of the nutrition community.

Milk plays a big part in the dietary guidelines recently released by the federal government. Anyone older than 8 is urged to drink three cups of low-fat or fat-free milk or eat an equivalent amount of yogurt or cheese each day. The thinking behind this recommendation is that the calcium in dairy products helps build strong bones and wards off osteoporosis, a disease in which bones become porous and break easily.

On the other side are nutrition researchers from Harvard and Cornell universities who say that when it comes to dairy, the U.S. dietary guidelines have gone too far. They believe that exercise, heredity, hormone levels, smoking, protein intake and intake of vitamins D and K matter more than milk.

The debate over dietary calcium is occurring because of rising concern over osteoporosis, or low bone mass. An estimated 10 million Americans older than 50 — most of them women — have osteoporosis, and 34 million are at risk for developing it.

By 2020, one in two Americans older than 50 will be at risk for fractures from osteoporosis or low bone mass, according to the U.S. Surgeon General, who issued a report in October that sounded an alarm on bone health. Bone health is so important that President Bush has declared 2002-11 as the "decade of the bone and joint."



As for the link between dairy products and osteoporosis, "there's no solid evidence that merely increasing the amount of milk in your diet will protect you from breaking a hip or wrist or crushing a backbone in later years," says Walter C. Willett, chairman of the Department of Nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health.

Willett bases his calcium conclusions on research that he and his team at Harvard have done during the last 25 years. He is one of the principal investigators of the Nurses' Health Study, which has looked at the diet and health of tens of thousands of nurses since 1980, and of the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study, an all-male study underway since 1986.

When Willett and his colleagues investigated the milk-drinking habits of 72,000 women in the Nurses' Health Study, they found that milk consumption was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture, a measure of bone strength. In fact, women who drank milk twice a day were as likely to suffer a bone break as women who drank it once a week.

Likewise, the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study failed to find a relationship between calcium intake and bone fractures in more than 43,000 men. And a 2003 Swedish study of more than 60,000 women, which was published in the journal Bone, found no association between dietary calcium intake and fracture risk.

"We do need some calcium — it's essential — but the question is, how much?" says Willett, author of the 2001 book "Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy." He believes the body needs 500 to 700 milligrams of calcium daily rather than the 1,000 to 1,500 milligrams a day recommended by the dietary guidelines.

T. Colin Campbell, professor emeritus of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University, also questions dairy's place in the dietary guidelines. "I like dairy. I grew up on a farm. But one has to look at the facts," he says. "Dairy has been considered a health food, and that's an unfortunate myth."

Campbell's views come from observations he and his colleagues made during a series of nutritional studies that began in 1983 and are collectively known as the China Study. In these studies, Campbell found that Asians, who consume far less dietary calcium than Americans, have one-fifth the bone fracture rate of Americans.

"Those countries that use the most cow's milk and its products also have the highest fracture rates and the worst bone health," Campbell says. He details the results of his work in a new book called "The China Study."

In Asian countries, people can get all the calcium their bodies need from plant sources such as leafy green vegetables, Campbell says.

Americans have weak bones not because they drink too little milk but because they drink too much, Campbell says. Animal protein, such as the protein in milk, makes blood and tissues more acidic, and to neutralize this acid, the body pulls calcium, which is a very effective base, from the bones. Because dairy products contain substantial amounts of animal protein, drinking milk actually robs the bones of calcium, he says. The more meat and milk Americans eat, he says, the more calcium they need to consume to process that protein.

That's ridiculous, osteoporosis researchers say. Although they agree that eating excessive amounts of protein may leach calcium from the bones, they see moderate amounts of protein-rich dairy foods as an excellent way to keep bones strong.

"There is a growing number of studies that have shown an association between higher protein intake and less bone loss," says Bess Dawson-Hughes, director of the Bone Metabolism Laboratory at Tufts University.

To be sure, many studies do point to a connection between dairy and bone health.

A research review of 138 studies exploring the relationship between bone health and calcium intake, including numerous studies that used dairy products as the calcium source, found overwhelming evidence that lifelong calcium intake is one of the most significant factors for determining risk of an osteoporotic fracture, says Deanna Segrave-Daly, a registered dietitian and spokeswoman for the National Dairy Council.

The review was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2000.

But that same review reported that not all dairy foods boost bone health. "Foods such as milk and yogurt are likely to be beneficial; others, such as cottage cheese, may adversely affect bone health," the review states. "The high calcium content of processed cheese products may be offset by the high sodium, polyphosphate, and protein contents of these products, which can be expected to increase calcium losses."

Researchers say there are several possible reasons why milk study results vary so.

Most clinical trials — studies in which one group of people increases calcium intake and another group does not — have shown that adding calcium to the diet increases bone density. But most clinical trials last for less than three years, says Diane Feskanich, an investigator for the Nurses' Health Study. "It could be that bone density does not continue to increase in the long run — in fact, a study that went on for three years found that after an initial increase in bone density, it did not continue to increase in the third year."

Observational studies such as the Nurses' Health Study "are usually run over many years and in this way better suited to determine the long-term effects of high calcium intakes," Feskanich says.

It is also possible that vitamin D is as important or more important than calcium for maintaining bone density into adulthood.

Researchers don't understand exactly what role vitamin D plays, but there is a growing belief in the scientific community that the poor state of the nation's bones has something to do with a widespread shortage of vitamin D. The body gets vitamin D from food and sunlight, and as people cover up to avoid the cancer-causing rays of the sun, they may also send vitamin D levels plummeting. "Most Americans are short on vitamin D," Willett says.

The rest of the diet may play a part in bone health too, in ways researchers don't yet understand. Other nutrients in the diet may either help or hinder calcium absorption. "We are overfed, but are we eating the right things?" asks Lori Hoolihan, nutrition research specialist with the Dairy Council of California. "We are a fat nation, but in some ways we are malnourished."

Even those researchers who agree with the three-glasses-a-day recommendation say there is a limit to what dairy calcium can do. "The gene pool accounts for most of your risk," Dawson-Hughes says.

During the years in which people build bone mass — from birth to about age 20 or 25 — bone density is determined 80% by genetics and only 20% by lifestyle factors such as exercise and diet. Bone loss, which starts to occur after age 25 or so, is determined half by genetics and half by lifestyle choices, Dawson-Hughes says.

Finally, there is an emotional side to this issue. The dairy debate is conducted in large part by two groups who accuse each other of twisting science and letting money or ideology cloud their views: the dairy industry and vegetarians.

The dairy industry accuses the anti-dairy camp of promoting an animal-free diet whether it makes nutritional sense or not. Dairy critics charge the dairy industry with bankrolling pro-dairy research and influencing the government's dietary recommendations.

One thing both parties agree on is that exercise helps to build bones and maintain bone density throughout life.

[suckmypump]

Shut the **** up, you retard.

[motoxrider]

BigNorwegian: I feel that if your looking to put on solid lean muscle, why not just have a shake with good ol' H2O rather than a glass of milk? Less fat, more protien, hey can't go wrong there. However if your looking to put on some serious mass quickly and don't mind a dirty bulk I think it's a great idea to drink milk.

Actually when you drink a shake with milk, skim milk for me i get 9g more protein + Skim milk is fat free.

[mivi320]

Milk is fine, in my opinion. The benefits of drinking milk, preferably skim or 1%, far outweigh the potential "negatives" of ingesting it. Milk is an extremely anti-catabolic substance. It contains insulinogenic properties which is great to have in the post-workout time period. Not to mention all the vitamins, minerals, and Calcium found in milk. Bottom line: If you can drink it, drink it. However, some folks may not be able to stand cow's milk due to the fact that they have a milk allergy or they happen to be lactose intollerant. Otherwise, I see no problem with ingesting cow boobie juice :D

[llamabob]

My body has no negative reactions to milk, and I've gone through periods of not drinking it(cus I was cheap, it was up to $3 a gallon) and it made no difference in my weight or health. When I do drink it I try to keep in mind the calories and fat I'm taking in, but it tastes freakin good, has protein, and anti-catabolic. As others have said, it's not a miracle drink but it has more benefits than cons.

[DJSTARER]

They can't be separated can they? Same sugars... but less in the Cottage cheese.

[fasteddie]

Milk
wow is it really that bad....i drink a lot of milk because i dont drink pop.
well i guess ill cut back on that

weight 155
bench max 215
squat max 450
dead lift max 325




peace kids stay safe

[BluSilver]

Milk isn't F***ing bad! The sugars are very slow-burning. They are sort of like fruit sugars. Very low GI.

[hepennypacker52]

Milk isn't F***ing bad! The sugars are very slow-burning. They are sort of like fruit sugars. Very low GI.

It's very high on the II though. I still love it.

[BluSilver]

It's very high on the II though. I still love it.
Yea, but that's not a bad thing necessarily. Either is a high GI for that matter-it's just that you'd get hungry quicker. I love it too; I'm lactose intolerant and still drink 1.5 cups every day.

[jsim]

what about soy milk? is that a no-no as well im assuming?

[BluSilver]

what about soy milk? is that a no-no as well im assuming?
Milk is good, for the love of ...Anyways-soy milk has some qualities not so good. It can't be bad in small doses.

[addiction543]

i'm new here, but i've been lifting and eating for a while
i don't drink milk or soy milk, but i will wet my cereal with a little rice milk (it's higher in sugar than i would like, but the amount i put on is so small it doesn't make a difference)

i'm not sure it anybody posted a link to this site yet, but
www.notmilk.com

[Shotput15]

Skim milk=my favorite drink with ALL meals. I have somewhere between 4-6 cups of milk a day, and I'm doing just fine. Fat free source of protein, along with many other nutrients. I feel that milk is perfectly natural and healthy, and the only reason that one should avoid it is IF they are allergic or lactose intolerant. There are many other things in the world that I do feel are bad, such as high fructose corn syrup, that really do cause problems. I say, let's get our priorities straight, and look at issues that really matter, and let milk be drank, as I will be having milk in about an hour :D

[Shotput15]

Milk isn't F***ing bad! The sugars are very slow-burning. They are sort of like fruit sugars. Very low GI.

and amen to that.

[Bodybuilder2049]

well protein,vitamins,clacium, but its damn expensive hey i live in ct to

[JoeDirtBody]

was i the only one that caught this?


Animal protein, such as the protein in milk, makes blood and tissues more acidic, and to neutralize this acid, the body pulls calcium, which is a very effective base, from the bones. The more meat and milk Americans eat, he says, the more calcium they need to consume to process that protein.

so its saying animal proteins in general pull out calcium. not just milk. dont DCers eat incredible amounts of animal proteins?

basically all i got out of the article was that people need to exercise (hmm wierd who knew?) and get more sun (which i also read an article about in mens health)

[juanca]

nice job so far everone!

Great posts.

JC

[boxcarguy07]

I think you milk drinkers should check this out.

The milk I drink is called Skim Plus by Parmalat. Not only does it taste better than normal skim milk, but has 11g of protein per 8oz. It is also from cows not given rBST or Beta-Lactam (i don't have the carton with me right now, but I think those are right) hormones.

The only place around here that has it is Publix, it comes in a purple half-gallon carton. I seriously love this milk, the only thing though is that it is really pricey!

[McChin]

Personally I just drink lots of water and only have milk in my cereal in the morning and that's it.

[ShortStature5_0]

pro:
makes you taller

con:
slow absorbing protein, high in fat

[Eggwhites]

pro:
makes you taller

con:
slow absorbing protein, high in fat
I see you just joined...Obviously...
Makes you taller huh? Yup, isn't that what mamma always said? And yeah, it's high in fat!!! Especially skim milk...
Gets absorbed too slow? Yeah, horrible, especially at night... And who wants amino acids in the body for long anyway?

[JoeDirtBody]

I see you just joined...Obviously...
Makes you taller huh? Yup, isn't that what mamma always said? And yeah, it's high in fat!!! Especially skim milk...
Gets absorbed too slow? Yeah, horrible, especially at night... And who wants amino acids in the body for long anyway?

OWNED on his first post!

[Uriel_da_man]

Milk is an incredible source of nutrients. Look at newborns - milk is their only source of nutrients, and they grow by the minute!

Seriously, milk is a good source of carbs. Not as good as whole cereals, but good. Milk is an AWESOME source of protein (casein). And skim milk has next to no fat (I'd rather get my fat from peanut butter). So if you can, drink all the milk you like, and then drink some more. I think milk is the most anabolic and anticatabolic naturaly occurring food there is.

[juanca]

Milk is an incredible source of nutrients. Look at newborns - milk is their only source of nutrients, and they grow by the minute!

Seriously, milk is a good source of carbs. Not as good as whole cereals, but good. Milk is an AWESOME source of protein (casein). And skim milk has next to no fat (I'd rather get my fat from peanut butter). So if you can, drink all the milk you like, and then drink some more. I think milk is the most anabolic and anticatabolic naturaly occurring food there is.


i agree.

hey, does anyone know if khan has posted here yet?

id like to hear his words......

JC

[Cell-Tech]

i agree.

hey, does anyone know if khan has posted here yet?

id like to hear his words......

JC


He did...oh boy, did he...



AS

EDIT: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=6318894&postcount=27

^ that might not be the only one...

[JoeDirtBody]

ya he posted but he didnt reply to my question :mad:

[BluSilver]

You guys can't demand Khan's attention. He gave you his thoughts; be grateful. Can't anyone make judgements by themselves? Read other peoples thoughts and decide for yourself whether milk is good or bad. This section is made of a bunch of followers. Study for yourselves and quit trying to milk others dry of answers when they provide you of enough knowledge to make a choice.

[keepemseparated]

Study for yourselves and quit trying to milk others dry of answers when they provide you of enough knowledge to make a choice.
Was that intended? :p

I agree with you, though. It's good to get opinions, but dont base everything solely off of what people on this board say.

KES

[Shnaz]

Milk can actually be detramental post-workout for you people who use it for their post workout shake. Milk sits in the stomach thus protein doesn't get distributed quickly like it does with water. Muscle cannibalization can actually occur which definately isnt cool. I had it all explained to me buy a guy who works at Popeye's(supplement store in Canada) Other than post w/o milk is great.

[Dosquito]

Milk can actually be detramental post-workout for you people who use it for their post workout shake. Milk sits in the stomach thus protein doesn't get distributed quickly like it does with water. Muscle cannibalization can actually occur which definately isnt cool. I had it all explained to me buy a guy who works at Popeye's(supplement store in Canada) Other than post w/o milk is great.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I wouldn't want my muscles to turn cannibalistic! On a serious note:
I think that 99% of the issues pointed out with milk in this topic are related to one thing: lactose intolerance. I think we all have it on some level. Any way, it's really easy to solve. I bought some lactase and I can drink away now, and I feel fine :)

[Tony L]

I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of MILK! If it was coca cola I would say "yea it's bad and it makes you fat". The only reason not to drink milk is when you are allergic for milk... Don't think too much and just drink milk if you can...

[BluSilver]

Was that intended? :p

It amused me after I typed it and looked over my post.

[NYCmitch25]

Its simple. Look at its ingredients (Latose is sugar). If you dont want the extra calories from fat then use skim or 1-2% (keep in mind dairy doesnt belong in a cutting diet- espec. for a bb'lding comp.). If you dont want ANY calories and want the benifits of milk (minus the potien) then take the supplementation *Calcium*. If your lean and like the texture and flavor it adds to a shake then go ahead add it...even use whole milk (not PWO). Caution: whole milk has LOTS of fats and calories. The only problem is these fats aren't benificial to a bodybuilders diet.

Were overanalyzing this...?

[attashay]

Tons of sugar...
Big insulin spike....
I drink some with my ppwo meal and in the morning.


uh buddy.... milk has a gi of 30. NOT big insuline spike...

[Cracky]

milk is for babies, I drink beer [/arnold]

[KING_OF_SQUAT]

i love milk

milk is uber :D

helps up the cals with good protein AND carbs, and i aint so fat! muahaha

milk.


-KS

[keepemseparated]

Milk can actually be detramental post-workout for you people who use it for their post workout shake. Milk sits in the stomach thus protein doesn't get distributed quickly like it does with water. Muscle cannibalization can actually occur which definately isnt cool. I had it all explained to me buy a guy who works at Popeye's(supplement store in Canada) Other than post w/o milk is great.
It wouldn't cannibalize the muscles, it would keep them in an anabolic state for a longer period of time, making the protein get to the muscle tissue slower, defeating the purpose of a post-workout shake. That's not good, but it's not awful, either.

MOP

[Vito Gatti]

I don't know if it's already been said, but I know that a disadvantage of milk is that you hold more water with it. Taking away from vascularity, etc....

[chadpeppersleb]

Milk is awesome, I drink skim milk. Full of amino acids, calcium, and tastes great!!!!!!! GOT MILK?

[toughnuts]

I love the taste of milk, but I am starting to doubt its health benefits as of late.

[martydaman]

I drink a lot of milk. I dont see how drinking a substantial ammount of lot fat mulk be be harmful to a diet

[Khryz]

uh buddy.... milk has a gi of 30. NOT big insuline spike...

Dairy is rare because even though it's glycemic index rating is low, it's insulin index rating is high. GI and II are not the same thing.

[attashay]

Dairy is rare because even though it's glycemic index rating is low, it's insulin index rating is high. GI and II are not the same thing.

could you explain what the differences are?

[n2d]

could you explain what the differences are?
Insulin causes fat storage, glucose causes insulin.

[Vito Gatti]

Insulin causes fat storage, glucose causes insulin.

Insulin also causes hyperplasma. ;-)

[BluSilver]

Insulin causes fat storage,
amino acid storage, glucagen storage, and glycogen storage. Everything you eat elicits an insulin response, albait dairy elicits more. This is because of its amino acid make-up, not its sugars. Insulin isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. It's very anabolic if kept in a good range. Having some dairy doesn't blow insulin levels out of that range.

[Vito Gatti]

amino acid storage, glucagen storage, and glycogen storage. Everything you eat elicits an insulin response, albait dairy elicits more. This is because of its amino acid make-up, not its sugars. Insulin isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. It's very anabolic if kept in a good range. Having some dairy doesn't blow insulin levels out of that range.

Good points bro, but it's actually the most anabolic thing in the human body. No steroid will give you the results it does.

That's why anyone who knows what they're doing with nutrition, takes whey protein and a dextrose shake after their workout. Dextrose naturally increases your insulin levels, more than anything else. This causes the whey protein to be transported to your muscles better.

[HUGE_I_AM]

not counting all the "insuline spikes, lots of sugar" or whatever arguments... I have noticed whenever I drink milk I feel really bloated and full and sluggish... like a just ate a HUGE meal. This often makes me push back my next meal for an extra 30 mins so i am eating every 3-3.5 hrs instead of my usual 2-2.5hrs... and even then I am still trying to force it down

I use milk sparringly for the reason alone... it's hard for me to gain that weight when I have to eat so much and milk doesn't really help me accomplish that

[Khryz]

I experience the same bloatness, and lots of gas too if I drink more than 2-3 cups a day. So, I only include milk in my morning cereal or sometimes 1 cup with my whey shake if I need a quick meal. Just be sure that if you're not drinking milk to take calcium citrate supplements they've made a world of difference to me and aid in fat-loss.

[nick912]

cows milk simply isnt made for human digestion IMO, thats why SO many people are allergic. i dont drink it, cant anymiore

yea drink breastmilk! haha kidding! although...

[kingarty]

I normolly don't post in the Advanced section, but I have a strong stand on milk. Milk, most importantly is a good source of vitamins that is hard to find in other foods, 1 cup of milk is more than 1/4 of your daily's vaule % of calcium (based on 2000 calorie diet). You can buy milk in Low-fat, high-protein types. I buy borden 1% kid builder, as it is higher in protein (10g compared to 8) and higher in Vitamins and Calcium than regular milk.

It is a slow digestion protien so it is great for before bed (because Casien protein powder isn't the cheapest in the world.) and, in my opinion doesn't taste that bad. Plus its lactose, so very few of the carbs are in effect.

BUT most importantly, it makes your protein shakes (ESPECIALLY Choclate and Strawberry) taste like heaven!

My 2 cents

Peace

[n2d]

amino acid storage, glucagen storage, and glycogen storage.
Everything you eat elicits an insulin response, albait dairy elicits more. This is because of its amino acid make-up, not its sugars. Insulin isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. It's very anabolic if kept in a good range. Having some dairy doesn't blow insulin levels out of that range.
But why have milk instead of a different protein and carb source? Wouldn't, for example, a sweet potato, chicken, and a piece of fruit be better?
Less insulin, more vitamins? The insulin spike milk causes wouldn't cause instant fat gain, but why needlessly add to insulin resistance?

[tweaked17]

I think you milk drinkers should check this out.

The milk I drink is called Skim Plus by Parmalat. Not only does it taste better than normal skim milk, but has 11g of protein per 8oz. It is also from cows not given rBST or Beta-Lactam (i don't have the carton with me right now, but I think those are right) hormones.

The only place around here that has it is Publix, it comes in a purple half-gallon carton. I seriously love this milk, the only thing though is that it is really pricey!


that's the milk i buy, it's the ****

[BluSilver]

But why have milk instead of a different protein and carb source? Wouldn't, for example, a sweet potato, chicken, and a piece of fruit be better?
Less insulin, more vitamins? The insulin spike milk causes wouldn't cause instant fat gain, but why needlessly add to insulin resistance?
Milk has the most bioavailable calcium, calcium AND whey proteins, has a biological value greater than chicken, galactose refills liver glycogen stores without spillover to fat, and again, milk does not cause an insulin spike. Milk merely causes an insulin response, just like everything else you eat. Dairy just seems to elicit a slightly bigger insulin responce because of its amino acid make-up.

So, milk
1)has tons of the best calcium
2)is anticatabolic(casein)
3)is anabolic(whey)
4)has a very high BV
5)refills liver glycogen, leading to a "fed" signal and optimizing anabolic hormones and other anabolic signals, without spillover to fat
6)does not cause an insulin spike and only causes an insulin response, which isn't so much bigger than what you'd get from other foods

[Muzzle]

Every night before bed I'll sit down at the computer with a HUGE glass of milk and a jar of peanut butter. I'll shovel and gulp until i cant eat anymore, I've been doing this for the past week and a half when my bulk started and I'm putting on mass faster than ever.

Ok..that was a little off the subject but I drink milk as much as I can. Great for the body.

[Renton405]

WHole milk and some of the lowfats are terrible for you...but skim milk is great, I always notice a greatly increased muscularity and vascularity when I up my milk intake. It truely is a wonderful muscle builder, but always try to stick to skim

[atjones44]

dude i love milk, i drink a gallon a day, BTW whey protien is made from milk
milk is good for you in all ways, what do you think you grew off of as a baby.
you could live on it if it had vit. C

[Teflon]

After drinking milk everyday for 18 years, and last year being all skim milk, the previous 2 months I've completely cut it out of my diet. Including most cheeses. I still get casein protein and lots of calcium but not from milk. All I drink is water and occasional juice. All of my supplements are mixed with water. Honestly, I haven't felt this good in awhile. Milk is great, if your body can tolerate it then drink it. I just think sometimes it's a little over-rated and over-used. A good diet should revolve around wholesome foods, not just "milk".

My 0.2

[BoobsMcGee]

Milk comes from boobies. I happen to like boobies. Therefore i recommend milk.

Cycle in some roids too.

Yours truly,
BoobsMcGee

[junaca]

Milk comes from boobies. I happen to like boobies. Therefore i recommend milk.

Cycle in some roids too.

Yours truly,
BoobsMcGee


yup

[duganator]

drink milk you pussies, milk has casein which in the most recent studies is being shown to a very effective nightime and daytime protein, even more so than whey, for hundreds of years people drunk milk and didn't complain and now all the sudden people are all allergic to milk, thats garbage, man up and drink some milk...

[pepz3]

what about soy milk guys? i use to be an advocate of milk but then i read a magazine article about how cows are given hormones and other nonsense in order to maximize milk production.

[Ace of 1Spades1]

This is A Great Thread JC, nice job on starting it. i'm for milk, but i was wondering...

anyone know how it compares and contrasts with yogurt???

i always considered them in the same category but as far as physical effects does it go? I've read that in most magazines that its proven to aide in fat loss, but can anyone answer this for me, i eat yogurt twice a week and i'm hoping it can count as a form of milk, or at least somewhere along those lines.

[BluSilver]

what about soy milk guys? i use to be an advocate of milk but then i read a magazine article about how cows are given hormones and other nonsense in order to maximize milk production.
Nonesuch. If you're worried about that, go for organic (2%). No other milk has the phosopholipid profile as milk, which aids in fat loss and anabolism.

[Trappy]

Every night before bed I'll sit down at the computer with a HUGE glass of milk and a jar of peanut butter. I'll shovel and gulp until i cant eat anymore, I've been doing this for the past week and a half when my bulk started and I'm putting on mass faster than ever.

Ok..that was a little off the subject but I drink milk as much as I can. Great for the body.


I'm the same. I love my skim milk and jar of natty pb before bed. I try to get 600-700 cals from it.

[Guardian]

The sugar in milk is useful aswell,maltose,personally im still drinking at least 1-2 pints a day and im dieting,its helping me not hurting.

Its the calcium that you need from milk as it helps with fat loss,it helps the body mobilise stored fat that is normally the last thing to move and be used as a form of energy because the body needs to work to use it!!

Thats why people who dont eat enough when dieting lose alot of muscle,the body can use protein as energy far easier than fat,protein is the most efficient source of energy the human body can use.


Thats rediculous, protein conversion to glucose creates keatones and other harmful by products. You body only uses protein when there is not an immdiete source of carbs or fat. If your statement were true there would be no need for anything except protein, have a deit of just protein and you will find yourself very unhealthy and weak over time.

The most efficient source of energy is carbs, the breakdown is simple with little negative by products. Fat is the second most efficient, givign the body larger amounts of energy, the breakdown is simple as many fats in our body are actually assembled from carbs to begin with. Protein is the last source of energy for the body when either the body runs low of carbs or protein or is in a highly stressed state such as long distance running and needs energy fast.

There is a reason why carbs should make upt he largest part of your diet, because thats what keeps us going, not protein.

[AMAZO]

one thing that milk does even if you dont have an allergy to it is put a little layer under your skin. it is hard to explain but everyone's skin has a slight allergic reaction to it. In one of my bodybuilding books that i was reading it talked about milk. It had two pictures of the same guy, one was a picture of him and he hadn't drinked milk in a week, the other was picture of him and he had been drinking milk. Out of the two pictures He was much more defined when not drinking milk . . . this might be confusing but it is hard for me to explain this

[Brigidane]

I drink no milk

Whey/Oats/Water/Natural PB(or Flax) > milk in all ways.

isnt whey made from milk @.@ ??!!

[BB is 4 life :)]

Thats rediculous, protein conversion to glucose creates keatones and other harmful by products. You body only uses protein when there is not an immdiete source of carbs or fat. If your statement were true there would be no need for anything except protein, have a deit of just protein and you will find yourself very unhealthy and weak over time.

The most efficient source of energy is carbs, the breakdown is simple with little negative by products. Fat is the second most efficient, givign the body larger amounts of energy, the breakdown is simple as many fats in our body are actually assembled from carbs to begin with. Protein is the last source of energy for the body when either the body runs low of carbs or protein or is in a highly stressed state such as long distance running and needs energy fast.

There is a reason why carbs should make upt he largest part of your diet, because thats what keeps us going, not protein.

Sorry bro but your wrong, protein is the most efficient energy source for the body, you will utilize muscle for fuel before fat stores and glycogen stores if you are not eating enough when dieting, take celebrities for example.

Every week there is another magazine with a celeb on the front that has just lost a stone in 2 weeks "Read how they did it!!!!".

Everyone has seen those, the thing is that the celeb hasnt lost 14lbs of fat have they, if you look at the diet they followed, more often than not they were not ingesting enough protein to sustain muscle mass and thus the body used the structural proteins of the muscle as the fuel. Yes carbs are also used as fuel but carbs dont last very long, especially when training, the body will then turn to protein before anything else, why do you think bodybuilders consume such a vast amount of protein??!!

The weight that these celebs with the miracle diet and training routine lost is in fact muscle weight, they burned away muscle, thats why they look so gastly and thin when they have finished dieting, because they have catabolised such a large amount of muscle.

The fact that you did not know this speaks volumes about your 'knowledge', also the fact that you think ketones are a harmful thing to the body is laughable, ketones are made by the body when you enter a state of ketosis which is caused by carb deprivation, ketones are a form of sugar that the body makes and the brain then utilizes this as fuel, ketones are only useful to the brain however.

They are an inferior form of sugar and thus are not as useful to the body, only the brain has the ability to fully utilize them and can run almost the same as it does when carb intake is normal.

[equilibrium]

I drink milk by the liter. Got no problems digesting it. And then what's there not to like about milk. 80% caesin and 20% whey. Makes a perfect drink before going to bed.

[IGF]

isnt whey made from milk @.@ ??!!

Whey is made from the "curd" that comes from the production of milk into cheese which is then filtered.

Whey can basically be classified as ultra purified milk IMO

Also how come nobody picked up my Arnold quote :p:p

[BB is 4 life :)]

Whey will also be formed on the top of sour milk, so if you want pure whey guys, get some milk in your room and let it go off, the liquid that forms on the top of it............pure whey!!!

LOL

[johnson175]

well you say that the body cannot digest it and stores it as fat. Well does'nt the body have to break down lactose before it can be stored into glucose since lactose is a type of sugar. Therefore if the body has to break it down it should be stored as gylgogen in the liver or muscles unless they are full at which time the body will store it as fat. People who are allergic are simply unable to digest it just as humans cannot digest all fiber. This is why it gives them an upset stomach and terribel gas because the lactose is accted upon by bacteria which produces gas. This is the same reason why sugar alcohols give a person gas.

[DJSTARER]

what does it matter if you look a little "bloated" "or lacking definintion." As long as you arn't preping for a contest and arn't at the beach, who care if ur retaining a little. It is worth losing a little definition during a bulk to build muscle you can reveal later by just cutting out the diary. THink of it as a protective layer you can shed when u want.......

[Slash_]

i drink fat-free milk but it has to much suger 13g a serving.

[Khryz]

I don't know why this thread strayed off topic but it's very simple with how the body uses it's incoming energy sources. Think of carbs as twigs in a fire. You can use a lot of them and they will burn very very quickly and easily. This is why the body prefers to use glucose for it's primary energy source because it's very easy and quick to use, and also why the body prefers to "store" bodyfat. Fat is like throwing hugs logs into a fire. They're slow burning, but last very very long.

However, once you start getting into the low BF percentages, everything changes!

[BB is 4 life :)]

I don't know why this thread strayed off topic but it's very simple with how the body uses it's incoming energy sources. Think of carbs as twigs in a fire. You can use a lot of them and they will burn very very quickly and easily. This is why the body prefers to use glucose for it's primary energy source because it's very easy and quick to use, and also why the body prefers to "store" bodyfat. Fat is like throwing hugs logs into a fire. They're slow burning, but last very very long.

However, once you start getting into the low BF percentages, everything changes!


Ill go with this, good post my friend, nice and simple, its a shame that a simple post is needed in the 'advanced' section to show everyone what you mean, but its a good thread anyways. It does its job well :D.

[Dosquito]

After drinking milk everyday for 18 years, and last year being all skim milk, the previous 2 months I've completely cut it out of my diet. Including most cheeses. I still get casein protein and lots of calcium but not from milk. All I drink is water and occasional juice. All of my supplements are mixed with water. Honestly, I haven't felt this good in awhile. Milk is great, if your body can tolerate it then drink it. I just think sometimes it's a little over-rated and over-used. A good diet should revolve around wholesome foods, not just "milk".

My 0.2
.......You were drinking milk for 18 years and you couldn't tolerate it?

[BadWog]

^^Yup.


I drink probably a little over 1/2 gallon a day of skim milk, and I haven't added .00001lb of fat in a month. And I've never had a problem with it ever in the past.

If you can drink it, drink it.

http://bodybuilding.com/fun/paul1.htm ;)

Great article, learnt a fair bit from it. But I'm still not sure about this whole milk with post workout shake thing. Does anybody do this? If so, why do you think it's better than water for Post workout shake?

peace

[chad2000]

You've opened a controversial topic! I assume that we are talking cow's milk (and not goat, buffalo, or cat for that matter).

Some experts say only calves should drink cows milk. Others say milk is an important part of the human diet--unless you're of an ethnicity which is rather lactose intolerant. There are also milk allergies. Lactose intolerance is just that, an intolerance. I've known people who overcame that intolerance. Other's add supplements to help with the digestion.

I grew up with milk--skim milk. There's more protein and calcium in 8 oz of skim milk than in 8 oz of milk with fat, so skim milk is the way to go if you drink milk.

There was a study showing that dairy products helped with weightloss. The study was later found to be flawed. It was the lower caloric intake that was the key to the weight loss and not dairy products. But that doesn't mean that milk should not be drunk" No no no.

Go to http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=130 to read about an article on the health benefits of milk.

There is concern about "recombinant bovine growth hormone rBGH", but there are dairies that sell milk without it.

I love milk and continue to drink skim milk. I think the benefits far outweigh any negatives.

Cheer!
Chad

[juanca]

bump

[Born2Grow]

bump
negged and reported :p

[R0Y]

bump

Sorry brah this is the teen misc. now. Might want to ask a mod to move it over to the regular section.

[halatafiri]

drink milk for life its good for your bones and you muscles

[Born2Grow]

drink milk for life its good for your bones and you muscles

gjdm

[EC_Muscle]

strong bump

[tyty88]

possibley the strongest bump ever

[Born2Grow]

possibley the strongest bump ever

^^^ This.

[Giftee]

I likes ma milk on me cornyflakez.